A Little Talk About the Oliver 1850

[@Ham68229]

What we always did on a "new used" tractor for us, we always drained all the oils, replaced with diesel fuel. Ran it for 2-3mins, didn't change the filters until AFTER we ran diesel through the system(s). Reason we did this was 2 fold, it not only cleaned all the oil passages in the engine but, also cleaned the valves in the hydraulic system. Again, only ran for 2-3mins. Besides, diesel IS fuel oil. Everything is still getting it's lubrication. After running it, we'd drain that diesel back out. You'd be surprised as to how much "junk" that diesel would clean out of the engine, transmission and hydraulic systems. We'd then put in new filters, new oils. Radiator would get drained no matter, refilled with fresh anti-freeze. The rest, would just fall into place as time and money would allow, mainly time. The tractor wouldn't be used until we were completely satisfied that we went through everything that needed to gone through. We also would always check the valve adjustments. Time, usage and previous care will show up fast once we did what we did. I believe you did the right thing with this tractor, although, still say, you should've checked the valve adjustments while you were that close to it. As for "slobbering", ALL diesels will do it if they're not "pulled hard" to re-seat the rings/valves. John Deere next generation tractors are notorious for that "slobbering" as well. This was/is a great little video series you did on the 1850. Cheers :)

[@banditfarmer1900]

Thank You Ham68, Every tractor or combine or car or truck I've done the same thing to them after getting them home no matter what the former owner said they did to it. They all get new oil and air filters and the oil changed and all the fluids checked. I have had good luck over the years with doing this and will keep on doing it to everything I buy. I gave it a bath so I could find the oil leaks easer and went over it fixing the big stuff first, In the spring the hood and sheet metal will come back off to make it easer to change all the hoses and with it down that far I'll be pulling the valve cover off to change the gasket and check the valves , I've never had any luck adjusting the valves in the winter time so spring time it is ! The big stuff being done now I can start on the little stuff and getting some tires changed . I thought I had found some good used tires but that deal fell threw and for the price they wanted for them I think I have found new ones about as cheap as the good used ones so I'm looking into them a lot more closely now because of the price. Just about every 1850 I've ever seen will slobber if you let them sit around running and not being worked but work them and it goes away , They got to earn there keep to keep them running good ! LOL Bandit

[@johndavidstutts]

I bought my 1750 out of a fence row. Swapped in an engine an it the best tractor I own. She seeps oil in a couple spots and I have put parts on it. I'd say Oliver's were one of the best back in the day.

[@scottdeyoung373]

I pickup a 1850 diesel for my son to rebuild when he was going to school to be a diesel mechanic for Caseih. I gave $1200 for a non running tractor with a spun bearing and after he was done we have to buy a new used block and crank I spent another $ 6400.00. So in my book you have a good deal!

[@banditfarmer1900]

Oh its easy to do, You start into it and its one thing after another and before you know it your in to it deep. But you can either pitch it to the way side and just mark it down to a bad idea or you finish it up and have a good tractor when your done. But one thing for sure its something your son wont forget about anytime soon , I'll bet you still have it today too ! Bandit

[@scottdeyoung373]

The best education is hands on and he learned a lot. Everything he works on today is plug it in so the computer can tell you what wrong. A person can learn a lot working on old iron. He will never get rid of the 1850 and is looking for his next project

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@scottdeyoung373 I was always the one who got more out of hands on work than I could reading it in a book . You do it once and it sticks with you and I have parts books for a lot of the tractors and equipment I have so I'll pull it out and look at it to see how something comes apart before I turn a wrench and sometime that comes in mighty handy to find that hidden bolt or screw ! Sure makes thing easer ! A lot of guy today call themselves a mechanic when they should be called parts changers cause the computers tell them what to do, A mechanic is hands on and figures out what the problem is and fixes it and that's a big difference. But I would call your son a mechanic because you works on old iron and loves it. My sons bro in laws both went to diesel school and call themselves diesel mechanics and told me no diesel engine can run without an injector pump , They all have them. I walked them out side and popped the hood on my 96 7.3 PowerStroke and told them to find the injector pump ! They looked for 2 hours and never found it cause it doesn't have one. I told them I think you 2 need to go back to school and get your money back cause you didn't learn anything ! LOL Bandit

[@CJ-mh6yn]

That is a nice original 1850. When it comes to oil and filter changes, that is the one maintenance item people seem to neglect on older tractors. I purchased a Oliver 1600 gas tractor last fall and the filters and oil had not been changed since 1994.

[@banditfarmer1900]

You don't find many 55 year old tractors that are still pretty much original like this, In ways it shows it was taken care of but it also shows signs of neglect as in the filters. But she has really come around and is running really good now and I still have some things to do to her to get it ready to roll come spring time but she will be standing tall and proud again when I'm done ! She might even get some new shoes ! Bandit

[@banditfarmer1900]

Well I think its time for a little talk about the 1850 and its future with me. Some have questioned why I bought it or why I would look at such a rough looking tractor. Well its simple the tractor is strait and original and in ways it shows it was taken care of to be this old and still strait and original, But it also shows signs of neglect in the filters being like they are. But the filters are changed and a lot of the oils and I've made a lot of adjustments to it and its closer to being ready to work again. No I could have spent $5500 to $7500 for an 1850 and still have to do a lot of what I've already done to it too so I figured buying this one like I did for the price I gave for it when I'm done I'll have $4000 or a little less in it. This will be one I know from front to back and I know will be right and will last me for a long time. This is how and what I've always done as a small farmer and how I save money in the long run on equipment. I hope you enjoyed watching. Bandit

[@LVFFarmVlogs]

I'm glad I put that old cab shell back on my 4020, that shade makes a world of difference when that old sun is beating down!

[@banditfarmer1900]

I don't run them in the winter very often but an open cab in the summer would be nice to be out of the sun for a change, If your in the shade with the wind coming threw the cab you can keep cool and out of the sun. Bandit

[@LVFFarmVlogs]

@@banditfarmer1900 exactly!

[@rustybuttrusty9960]

Bandit I am Oliver crazy and Oliver Broke. Love the old Iron. Great that you found an 1850 narrow front Diesel. great show

[@banditfarmer1900]

I am TOO ! LOL I now have 3 1550's 1 gas NF 1 Diesel WF loader and 1 Diesel Utility and now the 1850 diesel and the Long 900 and Case 930 so I'm tractor poor now ! LOL Bandit

[@lukedesselle4589]

Young farmers no longer work for themselves, they work for the equipment companies paying those big notes on equipment

[@banditfarmer1900]

Man aint that the truth, Me I got it all paid for so if I have a bad year (like last year) its not that big of a deal and I'll make it. I stopped going threw the revolving door at the bank years ago and swore I would never go back and I havent sense. I keep it simple, I pay for it in cash or I dont buy it ! Life is a lot easer this way and I want to keep it simple . Bandit

[@lukedesselle4589]

@@banditfarmer1900 my grandfather use to always say he rather have a breakdown on an old piece of equipment, than a note he couldn't pay on a new piece

[@crslyrn]

Looking forward to seeing the old girl out in the fields this spring. Stay safe.

[@banditfarmer1900]

I think she is going to be a good one but I got to get her in the field and see how she acts so Its going to be an interesting spring and a fun one too ! Bandit

[@SmallMartingale]

I don't know who this videos for Bandit, because I think most of your viewers completely understand why you picked this tractor up and are excited to see you have it on the farm. If you didn't have some work to do on it, we wouldn't have these great videos that I look forward to watching! Take care Buddy 👍

[@banditfarmer1900]

There are those who really don't understand the idea of looking for the diamond in the rough and the fun of finding a tractor like it. LOL 1/2 the fun is the hunt and the other is bringing it home and getting to dive into it and finding out what she had been doing before you got her ! Could be good or it could be bad but you wont know till you get her home. All you can do is look one over good and trust your gut and make up your mind, I did and I've got a good one. Bandit

[@jimmybland6519]

Go for it, can’t wait to see it in the field.

[@banditfarmer1900]

I think its going to be fun seeing how she acts in the field, So far its been doing good but she hasn't really been worked yet so I'll have to wait to see how she does when I hook it to a disk or something and drop it in the ground ! Bandit

[@williamsidis5489]

You could go through that entire tractor and replace every worn part. It will outlast a brand new one for a fraction of the cost . Oliver's are fairly easy to work on and you can add a external hydraulic system if you wish .

[@banditfarmer1900]

Every one asks me why I bought this 1850, And the answer was simple Price ! You can buy a so called good one ready to go for $6500 or more and still end up working on it doing much of the same work I've done to mine. I bought this one cheap enough that I can work on it and fix it up the way I want it. When I looked at it I was told it was a one owner tractor and it looked like it, It was good strait and original and had a good solid base to work on. I knew going it it was going to need work and need tires seat light switch muffler, I figured the hydra-power didnt work it might need the injector pump rebuilt and the hydraulic pump might be bad so I figured on this going in. But the price was right and now that it has a new water pump fuel pump injector pump rebuilt and new hydraulic pump and all new hoses and ends seat light switch muffler all new filters and oils and 4 new tires and tubes and the hydra-power now working I have an 1850 everyone wants ! Best part is its all paid for and I'll have many years of trouble free service out of it. I bought it cheap enough I could work on it and now that the work is done and its right I have about $6500 in it and I know its right and what I have. I would much rather buy a tractor like this and fix it up and know what I have than buy a tractor with a slick paint job that is a worn out turd ! She might be 55 years old but she is in good shape now and I think she will out last me now ! She still turns heads even if she is still in her original working clothes . Bandit

[@williamsidis5489]

@@banditfarmer1900 Yes I agree. I run a old knight sawmill from the 20s and do small hobby farming myself and my newest tractor is a 70s 165 massey .I also have a couple Oliver's a super 88 and a 770 . Running the mill on a 56 detroit. Parts are pretty much available for most of these antiques and there are many after market parts out there too . It really boils down to simple maintaining and not abusing your equipment.

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@williamsidis5489 All depends on the person what he wants to run , Some got to have new stuff of one color so they dont have to worry about brake downs and want to show off. Me I want paid for good solid machinery no matter what color it is that is easy to work on ! Grandpa always said take care of what you have and it will serve you well and dont ever think you got a friend at the bank, He is out to make money off you ! Bandit

[@MedicineYandere]

Hey, as long as its paid for and it works, that's all that matters. I don't know why people think its rough, it looks pretty straight to me.

[@banditfarmer1900]

That is the best part it being paid for , Looks don't make it pull any better just costs more to buy it ! She is a proper diamond in the rough and I like it that way ! Bandit

[@miniaturefarmer464]

Looks like you got a solid machine to work with Bandit. Get that puppy freshened up and use her like she was meant to be used!

[@banditfarmer1900]

I've looked 25+ years for the right 1850 to come along to buy, The price was right to ware I could buy it and work on it and make it what I wanted it to be and have less money in it than I would if I bought a so called good one. But she has good bones to work with so that makes this a lot easer to do. Its not very often you get the chance to buy a one owner all original tractor that is still good and strait as this one is, At least it spent its life in the barn when not used. I'll get everything fixed and then think about paint work once everything else is done. Bandit

[@donnieanderson4503]

Your money your time keep it up I love the Oliver I own 5 tractors and don't farm anymore and still looking

[@banditfarmer1900]

The way I look at it I buy it cheap fix it up and when I'm done its worth way more than I gave for it, So the way I see it I'm making money by buying it ! LOL Plus she will fit right in with the other Oliver's in the barn, She has 3 little sisters to keep her company now . Bandit

[@gavinhenderson3861]

Good work.looking forward to see it in the field

[@banditfarmer1900]

Thank You Galvin, I have more work to do to her but things are starting to look pretty good to me. I cant wait to try her on the MM 6x14s and she if she will roll some coal ! Bandit

[@craigrasnic4178]

Hey there buddy it’s coming right along by August when it’s dry enough for us to get in the field it will be a good one, and do a good job

[@banditfarmer1900]

I'm beginning to wonder about this year already ! LOL The ground has never frozen up enough to get the fertilizer spread on the wheat and now there talking that this month will be warmer than average and more rain than average , Its starting to look just like last spring ! But one way or the other the 1850 will be ready to go when the time comes. I cant wait to try her out on that MM 6x14" I bought a couple of years ago, That's going to be a sight to see ! Bandit

[@gleanerk]

Cousin bandit, I think you got a good tractor ! I like finding them at a deal , servicing,and then running. Coz Scott!

[@banditfarmer1900]

In this day and age you got to make every dollar count and finding a good deal sure helps keep you profitable . Finding a diamond in the rough is half the fun of getting a tractor the other half is going threw one so you know her inside and out and she is ready to work . Cousin Bandit

[@ashleygrabowski3303]

Bandit I think that tractor is a lot like how our neighbor takes care of his tractors. They are never worried about greasing it changing oil or filter. But they never beat their tractors they don't ask more out of them then what they can't do and always go in the shed at night and the sheet metal on them is all straight like your 1850. what I am trying to say is some people just aren't going to do maintenance but they are not going to be running into things or beating them when they use them I kind of think that's the way this 1850 was takin care of.

[@banditfarmer1900]

There are a lot of guys like this around here too and there are some that are just nutty about greasing and oiling stuff up and baby it, They keep one looking like its brand new even if its 10 years old. So far on the 1850 its been mostly normal maintenance anyone would do to a tractor they just bought. I think when I'm done working on it she will be a good one for me for many years to come, The work continues and each day she is running better and looking better. She may have been neglected for some time but now she is getting the love she needs and she like it ! Bandit

[@jaycow3154]

We have a 1850 gas narrow front my dad bought in 79 we still use alot very nice tractor to run it was the biggest tractor on our farm until we got our white 2-135

[@banditfarmer1900]

An 1850 gas or diesel is a really good tractor and there kind of hard to find now, I looked for a long time before I found this one and one of the appeals of it was the narrow front. Never owned a 90 to 100 hp tractor with a NF so this might be a bit of a learning curve to this. But its going to be fun learning ! Bandit

[@gerryhoffman5667]

Bandit moving along nice, hydra power has transmition fluid correct? Wait on putting your cab on to see what your hydraulics do. If your seals leak under seat /control much easier without cab on there. NICE VIDEO, Keep up the good work.

[@banditfarmer1900]

The hydra-power has Type A transmission fluid in it but that is hard to find and everyone runs Dextron2 in them now. This one the oil is really heavy and looks like 303 hydraulic oil and it burnt looking. I'm going to drain it and fill it with diesel fuel and let it sit over night and drain it and refill it with the right oil and a new filter and see what happens. Its a 50/50 shot of it working or not but when I bought it I figured it didn't work and figured it would have to be replaced but there is a chance it might work again. I have to replace the hydraulic hoses and the ends before I can test the pressure in it but so far the oil level is holding steady so I don't think it has a leak inside. There is still more to do before I think about putting the cab back on but I want the cab on it just to stay out of the sun. Bandit

[@shaneredwine7719]

Bandit, you have to think about all of 2nd people who used to farm. I remember an old man who was a millionaire and raised purebred Herefords. His tractor's consisted of a H and a M. If he needed something done, he hired it done. His thinking was if there is oil on the stick your good, and if duct tape or baling wire won't fix thing5, then it's not broken.

[@banditfarmer1900]

I've known guys just like that and were so tight there nickels used to scream when he spent them ! LOL But there long gone now. There are things I do for my own piece of mind and try my best to keep oils and filters changed on them and this 1850 was in dyer need of a change and its got it now. Might be a waste of time but more than likely the engine oil and filter and hydra-power oil and filter will get changed again before it does any real field work for my own piece of mind. Bandit

[@fredrickkohlman9587]

Just changing oil and filters today does not correct damage inflicted if oil and filter changes were neglected previously. Just saying. I do think you bought it right. If luck dictates an overhaul or such, well, you now know what you got. And you get full use out of the rebuild. The tin looks good. Comment from an earlier video about 1850 vs 4020. I'd bet you would feel better after running JD day after day, every available hour that a spring planting season would afford. Much more operator accommodating is what I'm talking. It reminds me of the Super 88 dad traded in on 4010. Always tried to keep that 4010 running 24 hr. around the clock working ground back in the day. Shut her off once or twice a day to check fluids. The Super MTA, freshly overhauled for the following spring (1964) used about as much gasoline per hr. as 4010 used diesel. So dad traded MTA for 4020 for spring of 65. Put fender radios on and a saddle fuel tank on each (off old Chevy semi tractor). Much easier finding help to keep the 4010 & 4020 working round the clock, thought it was heaven with the improved comfort. I miss spoke, the JD A went for 4020. The M went for 2510.

[@banditfarmer1900]

I would have liked to see the filter that was on it and what the oil looked like but the guy changed to filter and oil the day before I got it so no chance of seeing what everything looked like, It would have been nice to see it and cut the filter apart and see what it looked like inside but that cant happen now. What I saw in the oil when I drained it it was black and nasty and there was no sense in cutting the ford filter apart cause it only had a few hours on it. The big reason I wanted that oil out of it was because it was 15w40 rotella and I don't want that oil in anything I own plus its not the oil for it in my book, It might work but from previous expereance it doesn't work to good in old diesel engines so I'll run what I know will work. I had a 4010JD when dad had the 1850 and to tell you the truth I preferred to run the Oliver over the 4010 any day, The 4010 was a good tractor don't get me wrong but I couldn't take leaning forwards all the time to shift or use the hydraulics and it killed my back. I prefer the Oliver seat to a JD and the controls on the Oliver I like better too. Bandit

[@fredrickkohlman9587]

@@banditfarmer1900,always thought controls were handy when seat was properly adjusted for weight and for&aft along with the deluxe seat support. And floor was clearer and cooler without hydraulics right at your heals. Steering and hyd. breaks never starved during any operation. But then, variety is the spice of life they say. And that's what makes the world go round. And there all made to work. Those are sayings I've been told. Im sure you heard them also. You be safe, have a good day, keep up the good work, keep videos coming, and thanks for the comeback my friend. "Keep on Farm'n"

[@fredrickkohlman9587]

@@banditfarmer1900, I'd like to comment on oil. Back in the 60's when going to diesel powered tractors and Detroit 2cycle in trucks. Recommended oil was series 3 and straight 30wt., as long as you could get her started. (Those Detroits had a habit of leaking oil ya know.) Late 60s & into 70s, some of the local steel truckers and some produce haulers from the south, Florida & Carolina's, who were using 4cycle Cummins and Cats were using lighter weights, like 20 or 20/20, don't quit remember the difference. Now think, when those produce haulers had their loaded trailer doors closed, that truck seldom shut down until produce reached its destination. Especially if strawberries where inside. Stop once to take on fuel and check refer/trailer and relieve yourself. No rest for driver or truck. And JD was calling for the 10/30, if I remember right. Although dealer said 30 was still good. Then with 4430 and 8630 and newer 2cycle Detroits it recommended 15/40. Of coarse series 3 was out of date, maybe CC/CD. Anyhow, the old stuff had to take what the newer equipment used. Now, going back to the trucker friends, owner/operators, who were already using the lighter oil. They figured the lighter oil cooled and lubricated better. So update to today. Seems like the older equipment I know of today, unless it needs an overhaul, runs perfectly fine on today's dinosaur Rotella-4, Del 400, JD, CaseIH, Moble Delvac, even the synthetics and 15/40 wt. I've seen MMO clean old engines and bring back the zip I forgot they had. And for the old gasoline engines, 366 & 427s, Shell man says the RotellaT-4 (dinosaur oil) has the needed zinc. If you still want 30wt., and I still use in a couple lesser used older and not too long for an overhaul, you can still get it. Its still available last drum I bought. Maybe your WolfsHead has the proper additives for the 1850. I'm not familiar with that brand. Would like to know though. Please share.

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@fredrickkohlman9587 I drove an old IH cab over with a V6 71 Detroit in it and those engines leaked oil every ware ! This was a company truck and it got good maintenance done to it but you couldn't keep them from leaking at all, Driving down the road you would keep an eye on the oil pressure gauge and if got down to about 25 psi you knew it needed oil. Well the regular driver of this truck had a funnel in the cab he could add oil to it driving down the road, Grab that blue gallon jug and pour 1/2 of it in and keep rolling and the oil pressure would come right back up to 40 psi and you were good for another 400 miles before you had to add some more ! LOL I've only owned one new truck in my life and that was my 95 F350 5.8 auto flat bed so my views are limited on new or newer engines, I'm used to old stuff with lots on miles and hours on them and from what I've found over the years is the new oils are not heavy enough because they thin down to much and wont hold up to the looser engines and you loose oil pressure. Yes the engines are worn but I can not see overhauling an engine just so I can run the new thinner oils in them when I can use a heaver oil like they used to be and the engine run good and holds good oil pressure. If I were to rebuild the 1850 all the specks are still from when it was built back in the 60's so I would still have to take that into consideration when picking an oil to use in it. My book says 30W oil but if your running it in the winter and its below 30* you can run 10w40 diesel oil in it because of the cold weather. But in the summer in the heat 30w is what it should have in it but the problem is 30w now is not the 30w of then and is why I went to the 40w of todays oils to run in it. Thing is the 40w of today is based on engine specks for a new diesel engine of today using a 40w oil in it so there is a lot to think about on this subject. Any oil you buy today on a store shelf is for todays new cars and truck that way they cant be sued for selling someone the wrong oil so they made it easy for them not to be sued by only putting out what the new engines take. If you got an old engine its guess your best ! Bandit

[@ghenry85]

I hope the gamble pays off and so far the tractor seems to be showing signs of health. Just remember, enjoy the journey. Even if this tractor falls flat on it's face, you can still had fun messing with it. What model of rear tires were those used ones? Just as a side note: I have an old Ferguson tea20 I want to revive. Nervous and pumped. Thinking about posting vids about it, not sure yet.

[@banditfarmer1900]

Me too Greg, Me too ! But so far its looking good and I hope the hydra-power will come back to but if it doesn't well I figured it was bad to start with but its worth the try and change to oil and filter and see what happens. But so far its going good and I've been having fun working on it getting it back in shape and running good. The back tires are 18.4x34"s mismatched of course and wore plum out ! One is a BFGoodrich and the other is a GoodYear and there is about 1 1/2" difference in the hight so it sits low to the right side . But I knew that when I bought it but after looking at a lot of used tires and there prices and believe or not I have found new ones cheap enough to make it a possibility to buy them and stay in my budget for the project . I hope we see a video of the old Ferguson coming back to life, I wish I would have had a video camera back when I did the long or a good camera to take pictures of the process but I didn't have one yet but I do now. Bandit

[@ghenry85]

@@banditfarmer1900 Any time I get cheap tires(not often and I will assume you are buying new for the sake of this argument), I will try to get a ply rating(or the equivalent rating they use now) that is more than what I would get with a more expensive tire. So if you were looking at 6 ply for the rear tires, I would try to get the 8 ply version of that tire. I also recommend Michelin or kleber inner tubes.

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@ghenry85 I found a place to get new BKT 18.4x34's 8 ply for $520 each and $178 to deliver 2 of the to the farm so that's cheap ! Tubes are getting really hard to find good ones , Most of them are just way to thin for my liking but if I buy new tires new tubes will go in it for sure if I can find them. Would hate the put thin tubes in them and load the tires and spring a leak ! LOL Not fun ! Bandit

[@ghenry85]

@@banditfarmer1900 We use Michelin and or Kleber tubes on our stuff because they are so much heavier than the others. That's why I recommend them. Most BKT tires are good. I was thinking you were looking at Petlas which are very cheap and not the nicest tire.

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@ghenry85 My choices in getting tires is drying up as most of the places I used to get tires from have closed up now but I still have a couple of place I can still get a good deal on tires. But stuff like tubes and valve stems and that kind of stuff I'm looking for a new place to get them and so far I haven't found a supplier to get them from other than full retail prices. My 1550 utility had one new BKT tire on it a TR135 bias and I bought another to match it up with and plowed with it and liked the way it cleaned itself and gripped the ground so I was happy with that so I figure why not a set for the Oliver 1850. I had hope I would find another set of duals with good tread like I did for the long but I cant find any really good sets of duals to buy under $1500 ! A set with 75% tread on rims they wanted $850 for them and by the time you figure in the cost of going and getting them and dismounting them and dismounting the ones on the tractor and pumping the fluid out of them the new tires are getting cheaper ! LOL When it ends up being about $150 difference in the price of used and all the dismounts and mounts and fuel cost of transportation to a brand new set the New set is looking a lot better now ! Not I just got to order them ! Bandit

[@donmacdonald7758]

She s a good old girl, when you need to make a sharp turn, she turns on a dime and gives back a nickel. It ll be good to see her still doing a good days work.

[@banditfarmer1900]

My cousin is eyeballing it right now to do hay work with it, He said too bad it not a 1000 pto cause I'll bet it would be nice to cut hay with it ! I'm going to have fun running her and getting used to her querks . Bandit

[@farmallchris]

I don’t think you are going to regret buy that Oliver I always liked them 1850. I like internationals bud do you plan on moldboard plowing with it how many bottom if so

[@banditfarmer1900]

We had one years ago and I loved that tractor but dad got a wild hair and traded it in on an IH 1568 ! I did my best to try to talk him out of it but he wanted it and I told him he was not going to be happy with it, About 6 months after getting it he hated it and wished he had the 1850 back ! Well it took me long enough but I got one back now. I have my choice of plows to put behind her from an Oliver 4x16" semi mount or 5x16" semi mount or the MM 6x14" semi mount plow and I hope to try the 6x14"s on her and see what happens . Bandit

[@cesmith4566]

That kind of money even if you have to rebuild the hydropower, its still a good deal!

[@banditfarmer1900]

That's why when I looked at it and talked to the guy I knew I was going to get it at a good price, I looked hard at it and made my mind up on buying it just had to get it at my price and I had to give just a little more than I wanted to but it was still a cheap price and I got it. People wonder how you can make money farming and you do it by doing stuff like this. Buy it cheap fix it and run it and that keeps your costs down. Bandit

[@John-viheavyequipment]

do you think its possible it was run hard and put away wet a few too many times then sat for many years ?

[@banditfarmer1900]

Anything is possible , But from what I was told its a one owner tractor that he farmed with it up till about 6 years ago when he had a stroke at 88 years old and he rented the farm out. He passed away at 91 and it sit in the barn for two years after he passed. Also they took his drivers liecens at 75 so he drove the tractor to town (2 miles away) to get what he needed. Saying all of this the tractor kind of shows this story I was told about it and kind of makes sense for its condition. Not the best care but it makes sense for someone who is older just getting by living by himself. Bandit

[@de1849]

In a previous video you talked a little about blow by and color of exhaust. Can you explain more please?

[@banditfarmer1900]

When I first got the tractor in the video of unloading it off the trailer it had a lot of white and blue smoke and no blow by. White smoke is unburned fuel and blue smoke is burning oil. When I got into it and found out how old the air filter was and how dirty it was I had a pretty good idea what was going on and when I pulled the primary fuel filter off and seen it was so cruddy looking I really wonder how it ran ! With the air filter being so dirty the engine was pulling hard on it and it was starved for air so what it was doing was pulling hard enough that it was pulling air from the crack case past the rings and bringing oil with it thus burning it and was ware the white smoke unburned fuel and blue smoke was from the oil it sucked into the cylinders cause by the dirty air filter. But after changing the air and fuel and oil filters it was able to breath again and it runs so much better now and there is little to no smoke from the engine now but oddly there is still no blow by and that's a good thing. When I was on the road with it I pushed it as hard as I could to video the exhaust so I could see better the colors of the smoke coming out the muffler witch gives me a better idea to what is going on in the engine. What I saw was good cause it was telling me that the engine was running a lot better now. One of the things you saw in that video was yellowish brown smoke and that is built up sulfur burning off and out of the engine from fuel and oil and that's a good thing to see it coming out. The color of the exhaust can tell you a lot about an engine if you know what your looking for. Bandit

[@marvinmartion1178]

Boy I'd give my right you know what to find something like this! Just saying.

[@banditfarmer1900]

I looked for 25 years before I found this one, Right tractor at the right price and after 25 years of looking I finally found it about 150 miles from home and out of state ! I could have bought a so called good one ready to go that looked good, But I'd rather have an original looking one that needed a little TLC for $2500 to fix up and thats what I did ! An 1850 diesel NF is not easy to find these days but I found the right one to buy and she is looking good now ! Bandit

[@justinschmitz8034]

On the issue of the cab, why not weld a top to a frame that attaches to the rear of the operators station

[@banditfarmer1900]

By the looks of it I'm going to replace the roof metal and modify the front of the cab to make the door bigger by about 4" , Don't sound like much but it will make a big difference getting in or out of it. This is what Oliver called a row crop cab and you unbolt the fenders set the cab on and put the fenders back on and the bolts hold the cab to the tractor and the cab is inside the fenders thus a row crop cab. I don't have doors or any glass for it but it will keep me out of the sun and that's what I looking to do, If I want to I can put lexan or plexaglass in the side windows and the back window and leave the front open and can open the back window and get plenty of air threw it to stay cool and out of the sun. Bandit

[@johnwallace9122]

They could’ve been like they guy that Used to Farm near us. He would change the oil but hardly ever change the filter unless he had too. And didn’t grease stuff very much but kept his tractors and Bailer and Combine waxed and looking good. Didn’t understand it myself but I guess in his own way he thought he was saving money

[@banditfarmer1900]

I've worked for a couple of guys you if a bird pooped on a tractor they would stop and clean it off before it dried and I know for a fact there tractor never saw mud of any kind but like you said oil and filter were the last thing on there list of things to do ! Now my old Case it says in the book to change the oil and filter every 250 hours so maybe there stuck in the old ways ! LOL Me I'll change my oil every year or every 100 hour's witch ever comes first. Bandit

[@andywagner8367]

I used to like to buy stuff to fix up but time constraints with wife and kids town job and livestock don't have the time to tinker anymore lol

[@banditfarmer1900]

I know what you mean , I was working 12 hour night shift (German shift) farming going to ball games with the boys and scouts of course and farming with dad and there were a lot of times I went without sleep. Well I had put a MF 65 in my garage at home to go over it and fix it up and paint it, It took 4 years to get it done ! Now I have my truck still tore apart in the shop and I really need to get it done cause its been sitting apart for 2 years now ! LOL I got to get on the ball and get it done ! Bandit

[@frankdeegan8974]

I have thought all along that the original engine went bad the tractor so it sat for years, down the road the combine that used this motor was replaced with a newer model and the motor was put in this tractor and maybe it was used but not too much that is the reason for the condition of the sheet metal and the obvious lack of maintenance

[@banditfarmer1900]

Until I gave it a bath I figured it was the original engine in it but as the grim came off it and I started seeing red I started getting the idea that this was a combine engine and when the numbers appeared on the side I knew the engine had been replaced. When or why I have no clue all I have to go on is what the guy I bought it from had to say about it and beings it was his next door neighbor he knows a little about it. He said his neighbor farmed until he was 88 and had a stroke and had to quit farming and the farm was rented out and the equipment sat till he passed at 91 and it sat another year before the neighbor asked him to help clean the place up and he bought the tractors and some of the equipment and started to sell stuff off. So it sat for 5 years at least in the barn and from what I see and can figure out the story fits for it condition, An 80 year old man aint going to be as on top of maintenance as a young guy would be so I can understand the way it is. Back tires are worn down because they took his driver liecens so he drove the tractor to town (about 2 miles away) to get what he needed. When I looked at it and was told what the guy knew about it things kind of fit together for the way it looked and I just used my best judgement on buying it and I'm glad I did. Bandit

[@bigDH123]

If it is a combine engine is everything the same as the original tractor engine, or were there some subtle differences?

[@banditfarmer1900]

Sometimes there is a difference in the oil pan as well as the oil pump and the intake and exhaust manifold can be different. The block head and fuel system water pump are the same. Bandit

[@mikehelt5346]

Are their any advantages or disadvantages to running a narrow front when plowing?

[@banditfarmer1900]

NF tractors are very easy to maneuver around and back wagons in but the NF has it disadvantages to them, They are lighter in the front end than a wide front, Need a guide to stick out to make it easer to plow with no wheel in the furrow and as everyone knows you have to watch them on hilly ground for tip overs. But I grew up running NF tractors so I'm used to them. Bandit

[@mikehelt5346]

@@banditfarmer1900 thank you for your response. Love your videos!

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@mikehelt5346 Glad to answer and glad you enjoy watching my video's. Bandit

[@j.jaeger9791]

Does it have the tractor or combine injection pump on it.

[@banditfarmer1900]

As far as I know its the tractor pump, As Harry told me its one of the easiest pump to change there is but when he looked at the tractor he said he was pretty sure its a combine engine in it. He should know he's been working for the old Oliver dealership sense 1970 and there still working on them. Bandit

[@kevinbachmann3040]

Is the grill construction yellow and the oliver name plate

[@banditfarmer1900]

This is what a Oliver clover white grill looks like after 55 years, Its not been repainted its original but its what it looks like after 55 years of weathering. Bandit

[@BobGriff-o9s]

Good. Tractor. They. Hold. Up. Good. Have. Had. Several. Oliver. White. Ito. Worth. The. Money. At. Least. No. Tractor. Payments

[@banditfarmer1900]

As a small farmer I like everyone else have to look at it as a business and treat as such. So if I have a choice in equipment and need a tractor I'm looking at price and condition and ware can I get parts. Fo me the old Oliver dealership (still open) is 7 miles away and if its a choice between an Oliver 1850 and a JD 4020 and the 1850 is 1/2 the price of the 4020 but will do the same job cheaper thats the way I'll go because it helps the bottom line of the farm to be profitable. I farm small but I dont owe anything on any of the equipment or the farm and I want to keep it that way ! Call me cheap but I like it that way and I sleep good at night ! LOL Bandit

[@AmosMosesJr]

A bit more biased of a review than I was hoping but agree with your purchase.

[@banditfarmer1900]

Any tractor I look at there are things I look for no matter what color it is and as I've been taught is to look and listen to it cause it will tell you its story. This one tells me it was taken care of by the way it looks (all original and strait) but it shows neglect in the filters. But after looking it over and running it I bought it cheep enough to ware I can work on it if I have to to make it the way I want it to be and still not be in it as deep as I would have been if I bought a good ready to go one that you just know will have to be worked on for something. The way I look at it I bought it cheep enough I can afford to fix it and do it right and I know what it is when I'm done. I think it will be a good one when I'm done. Bandit

[@pagrainfarmer]

Well, all I can say is that you got one hell of a deal - a lot of quality tractor for the money! Yes, you did the right thing. I would have done the same. And have, with lots of equipment purchases - with a little elbow grease and minimal investment, end up with a really good result. For example, about 6 years ago I bought my White 5100 4 row corn planter. It was showing wear, but was a good solid machine and what most people didn't like about it was that it was wide rows. For that reason, I got it cheap. But then I replaced all the chains (11), all the disk openers, and the wiring harness, including the sensors in the seed tubes. What I have now is like an almost new planter which works great for little investment. Very similar to what you did. And I'd do the exact same thing all over again!

[@banditfarmer1900]

That is the thing about being a small farmer , You have to do this kind of thing to save money . Most people want something nice and shinny that's ready to go and are willing to pay for it cause they got to keep up with the Jones's ! LOL Well for me I learned years ago the Jones's went bankrupt years ago so I don't need to keep up with them ! I have some equipment most people wouldn't look at but like the MF #88 plow that I know for a fact hasn't been a crossed 200 total acres in it life or an Oliver 520 baler that baled a total of 3000 bales total in its life a JD 4400 gas combine with 1270 hours on it and a Long 900 with 700 hours on it now a 10' Bush hog disk with the blades still at 19 7/8" blades on it and there is more gone from rust than ware and a barely used Case 95 manure spreader. All these are in great shape ready to go and work but may not look as good as most people want but paint don't make it work better just costs you more money ! LOL This Oliver is no different sure its not been taken the best care of but its strait and solid and with a little work most of witch is normal maintenance work but a new set of tires and seat and a good clean up and its a $6500 $7000 tractor and I wont have but a little over 1/2 of that in it. When you can buy something use it for years and get more out of it than you gave for it your doing good ! That's how you can farm small and make money ! Bandit

[@dehavenfamilyfarm]

Good deal!

[@banditfarmer1900]

I think when I'm done she is going to be a good one for me to use for many years to come, There is still work to be done on it and I'm looking at tires right now new and used but its got to get a set for sure or I'll be spinning a lot ! LOL But even if I buy new ones I will still stay under budget I think so around $4000 in it and that's a cheap 1850 diesel in my book ! Bandit

[@bryanblood7063]

Well sometimes when getting a tractor it can be vise versa yours the sheet metal strait no dents you had to fix the cradle but that's small you have a welder. I got a well taken care of massey 135 a 72 that was well taken care maintenance wise but I bought it and the sheet metal was dented all up missing a nose cone and it was missing a fender beauty is in the eye of the beholder on how you want to buy a tractor cause certain people will sell tractors cheaper cause of estidics. I know mine was a good deal because I had date written receipts on an engine rebuild an hours documented and a brand new clutch. Since the the sheet metal was bad I bought it for 1700$ you see 135 mint for 6000$ I'd never pay that much for one. When I can buy a mint ford 3930 for 6000 with 1200hrs a 1990. But I ordered all the sheet metal and used that magic paint it looks good from 30ft away though. I feel like your trying to explain yourself when you have no reason. I watched probly 30 farm channels and your the only non living in la la land farmer channel I watch. I'm 36 and I knew alot of farmers and still do and farming culture is changing. I'm sticking with the way you do your farming o dont like the flashy new stuff farming if I was to start a small farm I'd take advise from you I know 3 farmers who own almost 4000 acres between the 3 and none of them fix there tractors or implements. You on the other I've seen you do both

[@banditfarmer1900]

Me being raised like I was understood the value of a dollar and how hard it was to make it, Well that carried threw to today. So when I'm looking for a tractor I tend to beat the bushes look at the tractors no one else is looking at and finding that diamond in the rough . Most guy wont look at this tractor at all, Its too old its an Oliver look at the paint. Well I see past that and I listen to the story it tells me and this one was a strange story, But I Stopped , Looked and Listened to the story and made my mind up to buy it . I could have bought one for $5500 to $7500 and still would have had to work on it or Buy this one do a little work on it and end up with a tractor worth way more than I gave for it but have it paid for and have a good cheap solid tractor to use for many years to come. I like that idea a lot better ! I'm not rich so I work on my own stuff and anymore I don't trust people to work on my stuff so I do a lot of work on cars trucks and all kinds of equipment to keep things going . Bandit

[@bryanblood7063]

farmer that's exactly how I was raised and I'm still like that. When I was looking for tractors I had no help I can do anything on a chevy truck up to a 99 but new stuff I gotta find one in good shape or buy new. I cant take a newer truck and work on it if there selling it for less cause it needs a little work. But I told my uncle about my massey 135 he said get it. But I was gonna buy a 69 Oliver 1450 it was mint just needed a starter switch and a seat but he wanted 4500. I do wish I would have bought it though a diesel 50hp compared to the 45hp gas plus the Oliver I'm pretty sure its weight is about 1500 more I think. Another thing was my uncle said that fiat diesel is really hard to find stuff for. But I'm glad i paid 1700 for the massey cause my 2008 chevy had that motor that went down to 4 cylinder well the top end went out 3200$ so the Oliver would have broke me but that 1450 was beautiful if I had my old phone I would send you a pic. I think this new tractor will be good for ya you aren't putting nothing of your even doing hoses and a muffler. What's your plans with it all implements or one thing specific. I hope you put the biggest plow you own on that thing I love watching plows turn over soil. When I was a kid my uncle would plant this stuff I forgot but what it was but every year we would turn it over it was like turning over sod. It was all nice and uniform. We would use his international 586 with a 4x16 and the dirt black as night then the dirt would dry made it look not as good. The dirt had a clay like consistency so when the mullboard pushed it over I shined as it were polished. I've said it numerous times cant wait to see what you use it for, but I'm looking most forward to that yellow truck of yours.

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@bryanblood7063 I hope to get her hooked to the MM 6x14" I bought a could of years ago and the 18' JD disk and 18' JD field cultivataor or the IH 14' vibrachisel or the IH 11 shank chisel plow or the 14' Ford field cuiltavator . What ever it get looked to I think she is going to pull it just fine ! Bandit

[@bryanblood7063]

@@banditfarmer1900 well I cant wait to see the shank chisel and that 6x14 plow. Didn't you have an Oliver plow i thought you had one my uncle had an oliver 4 bottom or 5 bottom and he claimed out of 7 or 8 plows that one pulled the best. He had an ih plow that was possessed I think it always screwed up. I also remember he bought a plow and the shear bolts were like a grade 8 we replaced them but we had a hell of a time getting a big rock out in between the mullboards I thought if I lifted up the coulters on the 2 and 3rd mullboards it would help but when I went to put them back down I put them down to low and it screwed up the plow because it made the mullboards unable to go down far enough but I didn't say nothing because I didn't know that at the time. But I love love watching any kinda of chiesl working the soil

[@banditfarmer1900]

@@bryanblood7063 I have an Oliver 565 4x16 a 5x16 Oliver the Radex bottoms (decal on the back of the moldboards) and a Case 5x16" that is an Oliver plow and the MM 6x14" that's an Oliver plow plus the MF #88 4x16" semi mount and a MF 4x16" mounted 3pt plow oh and an Oliver 3x16" mounted 3pt plow, This summer I sold the IH 4x14" pull type plow to a friend of mine. So you might say I'm plow poor ! LOL I had a DMI 9 shank chisel plow I sold to Bill (there is a video of it on the 1550 in the field video called I got to know ) and still have the IH 11 shank 3pt and the 14' fibra chisel plow (has sweeps on it) so I have choices in what to use this spring ! Bandit

[@Farmall450]

These old girls always need some work

[@banditfarmer1900]

I agree, I haven't found one for sale yet that doesn't need some kind of work done on it, But when you get it cheap enough you don't mind working on it as much. Bandit

[@joshuagolombeski6133]

Probably was a old dairy farm tractor ran hard put up wet day in day out

[@banditfarmer1900]

No dairy farm but it was about a 100 acre farm that had 3 tractors on it the 1850 a JD 3010 gas and a 550 Oliver that he bought new and used them on that small farm. I saw the place acrossed the fence and it was a normal looking small farm and buildings, I was told he had about 8 to 10 beef cows at any given time along with some hogs and no doubt a few chickens too till he got old enough he couldn't care for them anymore so he got out of that and just farmed the ground till he was about 88 or 89 and had a stroke and passed away a few months later. Bandit