The reporter was pretty good. He didn't really take a side.
@jtlbz4 жыл бұрын
You can think natural gas for killing coal A lot of oil companies are getting rich now.
@joshuamast51284 жыл бұрын
No one wants to build natural gas plants people hate them
@jacquesblaque77284 жыл бұрын
@@joshuamast5128 Can I have some of what you're smoking? Nat gas gas-turbines in hybrid plants are way preferable to coal-fired steam-cycle.
@HobbyOrganist3 жыл бұрын
The only use for natural gas is to BURN it for heat or electric, and it burns very clean and with NO dusty mountains of ash to transport and dispose of
@MisunderstoodWierdo3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuamast5128 you're smoking crack man. i've worked on 4 new gas plants in the past 5 years.
@Arturas12443 жыл бұрын
@@HobbyOrganist problem is not ash but co2
@Tera_Hai3 жыл бұрын
I feel this. I'm a firefighter/Advanced EMT at a mill and we're shut down. Ik how much co2 we generated when our furnaces were on line and it's not easy because well we needed what we made but it is what it is.
@aidan51253 жыл бұрын
I understand that this is a very dirty fuel, but it's still very cool to see the advancement of man over time compared to what we have now.
@andrewdonohue1853 Жыл бұрын
it's not a dirty fuel if it's properly scrubbed. stop believing all of the propaganda, we do have ways of making coal cleaner.
@bluewater454 Жыл бұрын
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is a plant food
@phiksit11 ай бұрын
Are you a plant? Do you think more extreme weather and climate refugees are a good thing?
@bluewater45411 ай бұрын
@@phiksit Why do I need to be a plant to know that carbon dioxide is plant food? So tell me, how does plant food create “climate refugees”?
@5urg3x3 жыл бұрын
There’s literally no reason for this, that’s the problem. Modern nuclear reactor designs are safe, and produce zero greenhouse gasses.
@JoeMama-ml5zh3 жыл бұрын
@Raa Hiissdd dass barely any waste.
@arjanpetersen2 жыл бұрын
..?
@JohnJohnson-oe3ot2 жыл бұрын
Till it melts down
@drygordspellweaver87612 жыл бұрын
Thorium salt reactors dont meltdown
@dakufire212 жыл бұрын
Chernobyl the land becomes a nuclear wasteland.
@brentelder28422 жыл бұрын
I still remember visiting the plant back in 08 as a high school freshman for the courses I was taking.
@tdgreenbay3 жыл бұрын
Yep Oregon working on dependancy... falling cost of alternative energy that's bs.... an industry that's highly taxpayer subsidized
@nathanstrain21583 жыл бұрын
Fossil fuels are far more subsidized.
@tdgreenbay3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanstrain2158 um not really. But okay
@fxdb20113 жыл бұрын
I worked in the electric power industry and I have to say is if renewable energy was SO Cheap why didn't they do it year's ago??? I smell BS here the government is mandating renewable energy. I can relate to these people, my power plant closed March 2019 and was able to retire.
@tdgreenbay3 жыл бұрын
@@fxdb2011 why does the Gov't have to subsidize it... and what do you do when wind doesnt blow?
@HobbyOrganist3 жыл бұрын
@@tdgreenbay Yes really, plus all that burned coal produces massive amounts of dusty waste ash that has to be disposed off by transporting it elsewhere- so there's a big loss of efficiency there.
@Arthur-ke9vz2 жыл бұрын
why the fuck did Americans allow these to be regulated or shut down?????????
@ethanbyram4 жыл бұрын
And here it is 1 year and 15 days later the plant is now closed it closed yesterday 10-15-20 at around 2 or 3 pm
@Brian_yeah_that_brian_Strang3 жыл бұрын
That’s a bummer. Sorry to hear that brother good luck
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
@@Brian_yeah_that_brian_Strang Awesome news for our environment and economy
@generatorjohn45373 жыл бұрын
@@Nicholas-f5 You must be off the grid then?
@onefastneonrt3 жыл бұрын
@@generatorjohn4537 no he's just an idiot who thinks renewable energy sufficient enough. Little does he know, renewable energy will harm the environment just as bad.
@dallasmuir50834 жыл бұрын
Man I lived in Boardman for over 10 years and never once saw this place
@chrisl18783 жыл бұрын
The US wants electric cars by 2040 we're going to be overwhelmed and we need more coalfire plants and everybody talking about electric cars now it won't even get off the ground because there won't be enough electricity produced to even run the chargers for the electric cars and the chargers for your phone that keeps dying
@martylynchian86283 жыл бұрын
How does a triggered Karen cause an entire plant to close down?
@mosipd3 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate the power an aggrieved wealthy white liberal woman.
@nathanstrain21583 жыл бұрын
It's mostly economics. Coal is an expensive power source compared to solar, wind and natural gas.
@mosipd3 жыл бұрын
@@nathanstrain2158 Nah, coal produces much cheaper electricity than solar and wind. Natural gas is about even with coal if not a little better when used in a combined cycle plant. Nuclear is next on the list and all the way at the top is hydroelectric.
@martylynchian86283 жыл бұрын
@@nathanstrain2158 The stats I look at shows Coal as one of the most economical fuels but even if what you say was true, why would you need a triggered Karen and lawsuits? The free market would cause them to shut down on their own without anyone forcing them to .
@martylynchian86283 жыл бұрын
@@mosipd So true.
@bluemoondiadochi5 жыл бұрын
i would have asked the environmentalist woman a few questions on how to deal with potentially decreased reliability and availability of electricity once this plant closes, and what impact would that make on community and bussiness. i wonder what she would have to say... wait, i bet it would be general gibberish. and also, under "community", which community exactly does she mean? I studied environmental sciences btw. BUT am a realist and i find these ideologues who deliberately ignore the full picture and all implications for society sickening. clean coal has it's place, until a better but equally reliable power source is found.
@webranger19625 жыл бұрын
My best information is that we can expect blackouts.
@Humza_3.145 жыл бұрын
Nuclear Plants are the way to go. France generates most of its power from Nuclear!
@Jemalacane04 жыл бұрын
@@Humza_3.14 Damn it, Edgeworthy and JD, your comments are refreshingly logical and reasonable. :)
@bluemoondiadochi3 жыл бұрын
@@webranger1962 yup. better get a good home generator, and install LPG in it.
@travishulse18974 жыл бұрын
The Sierra Club makes me sick
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
Sick with happiness
@andershaeg5 жыл бұрын
Such a great video! Covering positives and negatives
@jimsheldonswe78463 жыл бұрын
Why would you shut something down before you have a viable alternative. Wind and solar can not replace it. If you had no co2 you would have no plants. Hello rolling blackouts.
@nathanstrain21583 жыл бұрын
Mostly being replaced by gas fired plants. Cheap to build, cheap to operate.
@colconn573 жыл бұрын
"Heavy winter, you have to have a reliable back up""..... Texan Gas and Nuclear power. "Hold my beer" "Shit that's cold man'!! Oops dropped it!!
@Jemalacane03 жыл бұрын
Er, thermal power plants work better in cold weather. www.tva.com/energy/wintertime-efficiency
@mosipd3 жыл бұрын
The irony is, Texas would've had reliable backup if they didn't trade 33% of their gas and nuclear power for wind turbines.
@blainelafreniere51703 жыл бұрын
You make a great point. Coal is not the only source of backup power during peak demand. These guys act like coal (probably the dirtiest form of fossil fuel) is all there is which can fulfill high demand. Simply not true.
@stevenplaysbone87912 жыл бұрын
Texas's nuclear power did not shut down during the freeze. Just their gas and coal.
@Wearedoom Жыл бұрын
@@blainelafreniere5170 Typically when demand is high, plants are put on gas curtailment. So not very reliable either.
@53bigmikejones4 жыл бұрын
Problem is in USA< the worst coal plant is cleaner 200 times better then those in China. China opens a new coal fired plant monthly. So, what do people plan on using for electricity??? There are no cheap renewable energy out there and the windmills of SoCal, well, when you figure in land costs, costs to build and maintain windmills, costs twice as much per kilowatt than buying from Southern California Edison. Wonder what they going to do with rolling blackouts and no power?? One volcano can put forth more Sulphurdixoide into the air than all the worlds coal fired plants in 100 years. Mt St Helens dumped tens of millions of tons into the air when she blew up.
@clayallen43544 жыл бұрын
Stop it, you are making to much sense
@Deterrent-xz5zz4 жыл бұрын
Coal technology is obsolete. Time to go nuclear
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
@@clayallen4354 to where?
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
Mike is an anti climate troll
@beboboymann38232 жыл бұрын
@@Deterrent-xz5zz The government has not offered to permit any new nuclear plants….are talks going on between the green new deal bureaucrats and utility companies to explore new nuclear plants? No.
@wildmonkiesJR3 жыл бұрын
let me get this straight she wants to shutdown the only plant that will have a marginal effect on the environment.
@jdekong39452 жыл бұрын
people like her are a huge problem
@arjanpetersen2 жыл бұрын
Nuclear ??
@TedSeeber5 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE to see Council Crest covered in windmills! Maybe Portland should be producing power IN the city.
@carolv57265 жыл бұрын
They already do... lots of hot air.
@BeckOfficial2 жыл бұрын
7:50 Completly agree with this. And that is why we need to shut down coal plants and make more modern and safe nuclear power plants.
@AlxndrHQ2 жыл бұрын
Could this be repurposed for nuclear?
@farcenter2 жыл бұрын
Largest single source, it would be interested to see how this energy was supplemented, and if in its totality it stayed similar in terms of overall environmental impact, but more spread out. Obviously it's not like people in Portland are now using less electricity. The magnitude change for alternatives would have to be so great that I cannot imagine that it was primarily any alternative infrastructure supplementing the change. It would be interesting to know how and by what this has been supplemented, into what degree the overall environment impact has changed. Does anybody know off hand how much more efficient, and less pollution creating natural gas or oil based power is compared to what they had going on here post environmental upgrade?
@josephkordinak15914 жыл бұрын
That's a cute little plant. Too bad it's being forced to shut down over political pressure. All you anti coal people just need to remember a less diversified electrical grid means a less reliable one. Don't complain when the wind stops blowing and the sun sets and you lights go out.
@Wafflepudding4 жыл бұрын
cheap natural gas is killing coal, not renewables
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
Grid batteries and demand response.
@kevincrosby17603 жыл бұрын
@@Nicholas-f5 Your grid batteries have a finite life span, after which they become HazMat to be disposed of. Wind turbine blades also have a finite life span...they have opened a special disposal site just to bury them.
@Xachremos3 жыл бұрын
Bruh hydro is reliable af. Im in Quebec and we pretty much use exclusively hydro.
@Arturas12443 жыл бұрын
its not dont lie, if water drops lights go out, happened than aliuminium plants where forced to close as there was no energy from hydro
@falconinflight62353 жыл бұрын
The thing that is shutting down coal fired power plants is that USA power usage is dropping for manufacturing and heavy industry. China by 2025 will have double the USA electricity power availability.
@wxndgo3 жыл бұрын
China is currently building 10 coal fired power plants I think many other countries are still building them to this day, and the technology they use makes them even cleaner than before
@HobbyOrganist3 жыл бұрын
@@wxndgo Coal is DEAD, China which bought huge amounts of American coal has been replacing coal with SOLAR PANEL FARMS and has been decreasing use of coal; kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5K2e3-Bgpp0pqM This is the solar power plant expand on 30,000 acres with 6 million solar panels. currently having 3000 MW Last September, Bloomberg reported that a 2GW capacity solar farm with 6 million solar panels was being built in the Ningxia autonomous region, which would make it the the world’s largest solar plant. China is the world’s largest solar power producer by capacity, with total installed capacity of 77.4GW at the end of 2016, the National Energy Administration said this month. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnjdYpyoZaZksNE The irony of all is this floating solar panel farm built over a collapsed and flooded former COAL MINE; 2017 HUAINAN CITY, CHINA - A new floating solar farm constructed on a lake in Huainan City, China is said to be the largest in the world. According to the South China Morning Post, the farm is made up of 160,000 solar panels. These panels reportedly can produce electricity for up to 15,000 homes. The farm is built over a lake that emerged from a collapsed coal mine, reported Phys.org. The water from the lake helps cool the panels’ electronics, reported the Smithsonian Mag, citing a Telegraph report on Europe’s largest solar farm. The farm was linked to Huainan City’s power grid last month, reported the South China Morning Post. The U.S. has also lost global leadership on the $100 billion global solar industry. American scientists invented the technology in the 1970s, though it remained peripheral until China did what China does better than anyone: mass-produced with incredible speed and booming efficiency. As a result, the price of panels plummeted 40% over the last two years as demand has mushroomed. Four out of five solar modules installed around the world today are Chinese-made. “China’s investment in solar really is a gift to the world,” says Amit Ronen, director of the Solar Institute of George Washington University. time.com/china-massive-floating-solar-field/ kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnjdYpyoZaZksNE world largest solar power plant 3000 MW china Last September, Bloomberg reported that a 2GW capacity solar farm with 6 million solar panels was being built in the Ningxia autonomous region, which would make it the the world’s largest solar plant. China is the world’s largest solar power producer by capacity, with total installed capacity of 77.4GW at the end of 2016, the National Energy Administration said this month kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5K2e3-Bgpp0pqM
@cole_82264 жыл бұрын
My dad worked at the coal fire plant near boardman. He now does stuff for hydro power. Anyways Coal fire was a good way to make power sure it is a little dirty but it still makes a lot of power. People in Portland want electricity but they are shutting down basically their top provider.
@coorbin3 жыл бұрын
And replacing it with viable alternatives that pollute way less.
@Jemalacane03 жыл бұрын
@@coorbin Wind is not viable and never will be.
@mosipd3 жыл бұрын
Well sure, see it from their angle. They want the best of both worlds, and they'll make the rest of us pay for it if it means they can have it.
@Jemalacane03 жыл бұрын
@@chardontimes8392 How do you think unreliable and dilute energy could ever be viable?
@kevincrosby17603 жыл бұрын
@@coorbin go stand outside on a dark windless night and give some thought to "green power".
@randacnam73213 жыл бұрын
Why yes, 500kV twin conductor lines generate a bit of corona noise.
@josephinealburo86843 жыл бұрын
China and India are the most pollutants contributors in regards to carbon emissions..
@NoNonsenseKnowHow5 жыл бұрын
Great video. While coal is a little dirty, it is certainly reliable!
@jacquesblaque77284 жыл бұрын
A little? C'mon, we're talking megatons.
4 жыл бұрын
Coal really isn't that dirty at all.
@Hmonks4 жыл бұрын
@ say that to all the people who died with black lung disease.
@Wearedoom Жыл бұрын
@@Hmonks Worked in coal for thirty years, lungs are fine. we had to get them checked every year. We are not in the 1920's anymore.
@dinopulizzi84812 жыл бұрын
Co2 is not a Pollutant ! Trees use it to grow !
@phiksit11 ай бұрын
Are you a tree? Trying breathing CO2 😛
@dosbootman3 жыл бұрын
: ( let the coal roll, I miss my job and I want to go back,coal is no more bad then a mine to make those batteries for car and all those electric devices.
@joshlakin79242 жыл бұрын
That lady needs to go over to China and Russia and share her beliefs. Smh
@FrankieG354 жыл бұрын
Its sad whats happening to the coal industry.. They are trying to get rid of it way to fast.. They are closing plants that spent millions in upgrading and installing scrubbers to limit pollution.. I agree the smaller inefficient ones should be taken off line.. Rolling power outages will be a normal occurrence during peak power usage in the summer and winter
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
Grid batteries are what's needed.
@patrickthedestroyer64273 жыл бұрын
When the winter gets cold. You'll need that plant....
@iloveRUSSIAAA2 жыл бұрын
Oregon is like 50% hydro backed by gas… they’ll be fine without this one
@blainedahlseide7803 жыл бұрын
How many situations like the one that happened in Texas will people tolerate unreliable power 🧐
@michaelseldon38153 жыл бұрын
really good interview, rare these days
@ScimitarRaccoon4 жыл бұрын
First Trojan, now this, what's next?
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
All the other polluters
@Jemalacane03 жыл бұрын
@@Nicholas-f5 Trojan didn't pollute. Nuclear power plants emit only steam.
@myeyeisnotblue2 жыл бұрын
Trojan closed because of safety issues
@rbeez20045 жыл бұрын
People must be properly educated on energy. First you must understand dispatchable energy. What is it? Its energy that can be adjusted based on demand. Fossil fuels are dispatchable. Renewable energy is not dispatchable and relies on its source. When renewable energy output is high, fossil fuel energy must decrease output. This decrease in fossil fuel output increases operating costs substantially because cost doesnt decreases much with decrease in output. This makes fossil fuels seem higher in costs to renewable energy. Secondly, on a hot summer day with no wind and everyone wants their a/c on their will be no renewable wind energy output increase and one of two things will happen. Local governments will regulate energy usage or you will have power grid black outs. Elderly people need a/c in hot conditions if they dont have it lots of them could die from heat. Not good because their deaths cant be blamed on the coal plant but maybe who lobbied for its closure we could? Maybe?Renewable energy will not increase to meet customer demand. Fossil fuels will and do it cheaper. Their is one thing a woman like her did. Heavy environmental laws are a contributing factor why industries set up in china where people like her have no voice. Now look they polute more than we ever did and their is alot more countries like china. Good job
@ImperatorZor5 жыл бұрын
China is cutting back on coal and heavily investing in Green Energy you Dingus.
@rbeez20045 жыл бұрын
@@ImperatorZor typical, not once did i mention i hated renewable energy but stated why renewable energy alone is not a good idea. I think they both have pros and cons. Really nuclear is the answer to both.
@drygordspellweaver87612 жыл бұрын
Before you tell people to get an education maybe you should stop calling them “fossil” fuels
@Wearedoom Жыл бұрын
@@ImperatorZor LOL i know this is old, but China is building coal plants at a steady pace.
@rajashashankgutta4334 Жыл бұрын
Hvdc and smart grids can increase reliability of renewables. In other words, instead of opting for dispatchable energy, how about we even out our consumption?
@frankmueller252 жыл бұрын
If the plant were no longer needed, I could see it being shut down, but it should not have been forced to shut down because of CO2 emissions. Our atmosphere CO2 content with 400ppm represents 1/25th of 1%, yet that is the source of virtually all of the plants on Earth. When we think of lush green times in earth's past, we think of higher levels of CO2. Our warming of this planet is most notably seen, not in hotter days, but in less cold nights. Yes, we all long for more -20F nights in winter.😬
@phiksit11 ай бұрын
Even plants are affected by droughts, flooding, extreme temps and weather caused by excessive CO2 ... not to mention the finite habitable regions are shrinking causing more climate refugees.
@HobbyOrganist3 жыл бұрын
Iowa produces almost 70% of the entire state's electric needs with wind turbines
@777jones5 жыл бұрын
People who are against fossil fuels should take cold showers.
@777jones4 жыл бұрын
J D it’s not that *i* don’t want them as base load, it’s that they aren’t base load. And nuclear is going away. All US plants will age out in the short to medium future.
@RileyWileyTomato4 жыл бұрын
777jones the nuclear industry is recovering and projected to grow it simply won’t go away not feasible
@chuck85014 жыл бұрын
@J D Nuclear & Hydro are excellent sources, but there's a war on Nuclear as well. What to do if there's a single Nuc incident? No matter how minor, the Sierra Club will go after them. Wind & Solar aren't worth mentioning at this point (and unsightly). We need the diverse power resources available even if the coal burners don't run. There's an abundance of issues that could one day cause the country (and world) to say Thank God we have these coal plants to save us. A day without electric and we'll begin to implode
@hyperdrivee79224 жыл бұрын
777jones people that are for fossil fuels should stop killing children and probably not have any.
@jacquesblaque77284 жыл бұрын
I happen to love my woodstove and "sunshower". Hardly fossilized. Conscious thought always a BIG PLUS- use some.
@onefastneonrt3 жыл бұрын
Let's all change over to ev transportation. At the same time let's banish all power plants. These environmentalist people are freakin' nut cases.
@nathanstrain21583 жыл бұрын
It costs ~3 million dollars to build a 4MW wind turbine. Little maintenance over a 30 year lifespan. Cheapest power around.
@franknapolitano91443 жыл бұрын
That Reporter has never seen Coal before ? Just an example how out of touch the Medal is with the real Industrial World and how it turns !
@AlphaKingofGlory3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the site survey
@larryprobus32633 жыл бұрын
From the Western Kentucky Coalfields I’m calling Bull Sheet on the uninformed Sierra Club !!
@mikedevo3632 жыл бұрын
Coal seemed like a good solution? It's still the primary solution.
@johnwilliamson22392 жыл бұрын
It’s called cut off our energy and go green which means we will eat bugs and like it
@hyperdrivee79224 жыл бұрын
Farmers are paid generously to lease land for windmills.
@rockkitty1004 жыл бұрын
The Sierra Club has sued to stop wind farms as well (www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/environmentalists-sue-over-proposed-california-wind-farm)
@Anonymous-ff5wr Жыл бұрын
I said it before or government waste billions in stupid things but can’t find away to use coal there is 100 years of this in the U S
@gloriadevos17904 жыл бұрын
So very sad people actually believe coal powered plants is evil. There are some excellent Co2 scrubbers out there which reduces emissions to near zero which is less than natural gas big time! I grew up in Klamath Falls, OR in the 70's and 80's and I saw how the Californians flooded up to my State when the "diversity" came to their neighborhood and they decided to sell their overpriced homes and retire up in Oregon where there's other like minded and, like race people. Oregon was independent of a nation or region wide power exchange because of its hydro-electric systems and a few coal power plants here and there but the tree hugging socialists took care of those. Now Oregon is dependent on natural gas prices and/or what the prices are in the exchange. Your power bills are soon going to look just like what the Californians pay each month! Thanks for screwing retirees on a fixed income and other low income people that can't deal with this increase. It won't be long before anyone building a new home and not an office or business building in Oregon will have to pay a one time "hook up fee" of $20,000!! With any luck, larger cities in Oregon will collapse and the liberals will move on to another conservative State where the cost of living is cheaper and start their crap all over again. Thank God I live in Texas now!
@n1trodj4004 жыл бұрын
No we want to kill the world
@mamoochie73924 жыл бұрын
So your logic is: destroy the planet for short term economic stability? yeah it’s cheaper but so is labor in china. Doesn’t mean it’s admirable to utilize labor in china. It’s bad for the environment, simple as that.
@gloriadevos17904 жыл бұрын
Oh, remind the Sierra Club to convince other large countries like China to do as we have (shoot ourselves in the foot) and see what they have to say. Somehow I don't think they'll get that memo.
@mdtransmissionspecialties2 жыл бұрын
Pathetically sad.
@hyperdrivee79224 жыл бұрын
Peak power was a issue last century.
@Henriburger14 жыл бұрын
That's so wrong I'm not even sure where to start. Loads vary now more than ever with computers, TVs, air conditioners, electric ovens and stoves, and many other appliances all being used basically exclusively during the afternoon, meaning a massive peak in demand. There are entire power plants dedicated to covering peaks. Saying peaks don't exist doesn't make them go away, it just makes you look like an idiot.
@hyperdrivee79224 жыл бұрын
Henri Bergeron you can start by not going backwards. Thanks for listing electrical devices? lol. Bad ass enthusiasm! 👍🏼 I should correct myself. The peak power question was answered just in the last decade. It wasn’t meant to be literal. More of a comment on the lack of research in the video. Horrifically today California is disposing of power daily. The duck curve is still a basic reality, yes, this is only because the demand for battery storage facilities is greater than the supply. Green energy will be stored during the day to cover the peak and eventually through the night. 🤞🏼 this is proven in California, New Zealand & Australia. Power is held for demand in municipal or private facilities. As well as our home batteries and even looking more and more likely, our cars. The Battery technology being released now, literally this month, should realize a path set in stone. They might be lithium, dry cell even hydrogen? Some new chemistry? But battery storage is the answer to the peak problem. The conversation now is education, PRODUCTION and installation. Currently used ev batteries are being stacked into trailers that can be relocated in situations like hospitals to avoid peak demands and establish power reliability. Another leg of the solution is in the grid. Europe is developing a grid to share demand between countries. Unfortunately the states can’t sell extra power between them today for political reasons. This isn’t the best environment to fix that now. Yes, We have our work cut out for us, but the plan is functional. Peace
@billcichoke25344 жыл бұрын
@@hyperdrivee7922 Where is it being proven as viable ANYWHERE? Just because South Austalia has batteries on their solar, doesn't mean it's changed ONE THING. Look at their own website for real time demand and generation. SA uses more power than they generate; solar comprises a bit less than 20% of the picture, and most of what they get from their neighbor states, is COAL GENERATED. Renewables are, like Tesla, crony corporatism to rob taxpayers and hold cash for demonrat campaigns. It's a huge circle jerk, and we're getting the corncob up our rears for our trouble. The only things we should be doing with our money, are tearing down the pinwheels and smoke-and-mirror solar spoiling the landscape, in favor of nukes, gas, and MORE COAL. You can pee and moan to your heart's content while enjoying FULLY RELIABLE power that uses less than 1/50th the land, leaving room for more plants and trees to soak in that CO2 you're wetting yourself over.
@hyperdrivee79224 жыл бұрын
Bill Cichoke sorry you’re having a hard time. I hope things get better for you. Be safe.
@billcichoke25344 жыл бұрын
@@hyperdrivee7922 Not as long as our grid is being destabilized by this 'green' malarkey.
@MrDocbowman Жыл бұрын
can be made to burn cleaner less smoke
@pikminlord3433 жыл бұрын
So cool to see Good journalism
@moltoniron6339 ай бұрын
This is good news. The step forward against climate change. This must be done all over the world. And for the case of natural gas resource wont last long and for oil its quite expensive to produce power
@pianomusic74224 жыл бұрын
People are stupid. I hate all of the idiotic blind activism going on in our modern age. They need to really learn about how these things work. Electric cars for example. Where does that power come from??? How is our grid supposed to support that load??? Sure green energy is nice.... but guess what. This isnt a perfect world. Unfortunately things will happen..... their idea of perfection is a futile goal.
@Deterrent-xz5zz4 жыл бұрын
It’s called nuclear power. The most clean. More efficient than coal oil and nat gases. It takes 50 years before stuff has to be replaced and requires more people to operate causing more jobs. The only thing that stands in the way is big oil and it’s conspiracy theorists and uneducated republicans
@JD-ex7ix4 жыл бұрын
Natural gas provides far more electricity than coal nowadays. And renewables have even surpassed coal. You don't need coal for electric cars, and you don't even need fossil fuels, since nuclear could power the entire nation with next to 0 carbon emissions.
@Bentfrombeyond2 ай бұрын
I love how one sided an environmentalist's way of speaking is. They blithely ignore the job loses, and hits to local economies, just so they can pat themselves on the back while ignoring the consequences of removing critical black start generation, and as the technician said, a weather agnostic source of energy.
@timmensch36014 жыл бұрын
you know the climate activist are full of crap when he asks her if shutting it down will matter in the scheme of things instead of saying yes or no she gives a long convoluted answer! They need to put there energy towards China and India !! I feel so bad for the people losing there jobs!
@JD-ex7ix4 жыл бұрын
The US produces much more CO2 per person than China or India. All three nations have to reduce emissions. And China is adding the equivalent of an entire American energy grid worth of renewable energy within 10 years, so it's not as if they aren't changing as well. The plant has to shut down eventually, all coal plants do.
@StumpfsCurse2 жыл бұрын
Prepare for brownouts and blackouts 😃👍
@jtamsett3 жыл бұрын
Karen from the Sahara Club.
@olgaboyle18713 жыл бұрын
Has anyone ever considered turnin coal burning plants into garbage burning
@nathanstrain21583 жыл бұрын
Different types of burners. You'd basically have to rebuild the place.
@kythrathesuntamer97154 жыл бұрын
I know the tendency in Eastern Oregon will be to look for somebody to blame and pin this all on Governor Brown and the Democrats in the state capital for phasing out coal by 2020 but the thing is if they hadn't of phased it out the plant would be closing soon enough anyways just by the sheer economic weight of increasing sources of competition to coal. Those of us in the Tualtin Valley area that would use most of the energy provided from this don't actually want it and would gladly pay more for energy from pure wind.
@billcichoke25344 жыл бұрын
You have GOT to be kidding. It IS due to Democrats, and KATE with her public employee mandate, HAS hastened it. Thanks to this nonsense, we out here in eastern Oregon have more and more solar, and less and less reliable power. I would LOVE for you to find out what it's like to have the same kind.if power over there. If you're so certain about wind, have PG&E turn off Bonneville and all the gas plants. Then, as your computers and other electronics get fired by the power fluctuations with NO BASELINE SUPPORT, you can bloviate about how magnanimous you are. Hell, most of Portland went to hell in a handbadjey when we were without power for less than a WEEK. Imagine your lefty paradise when you can't even trust the power socket you want to plug things into.
@gloriadevos17904 жыл бұрын
Bill Cichoke Bill, you're one squared away person! I'm shocked to see that liberals are removing cost effective and safe power generation in exchange for overpriced power from other States, same crap that was done to California! I grew up in Klamath Falls (70's-80's) and watching Oregon removing all their hydro electric plants and dams is pure criminal. Their windmill and solar power technology is a pure joke and generates far more hazardous waste than current systems. There's efficient air scrubbers that can remove the Co2 levels but, that wouldn't be warm and fuzzy for these yogurt eaters! Same goes for agriculture, there's automated harvesting equipment readily available where human harvesting is barely required except for the equipment operators. The liberals say "if not for illegals, who would pick the crops!?" Wow. It never ends until our society implodes so they can usher in their socialist utopia that resembles Cuba.
@Deterrent-xz5zz4 жыл бұрын
@ carbon dioxide is a Carcinogen so are a lot of the chemicals released when coal is burned.
@Deterrent-xz5zz4 жыл бұрын
@ forget about climate change. Coal causes cancer because it lingers in the air 100 year ago in New York the air quality was so bad people would get all kinds of fucked up lung diseases and asthma and die prematurely
@fbyi29403 жыл бұрын
@ "global warming is a hoax" that's enough to not belive you.
@Darkwindowtint83894 жыл бұрын
Sad to see a coal plant go away, fossil fuels all the way!
@JD-ex7ix4 жыл бұрын
Fossil fuels are not just dirty, they are non-renewable. This idiotic desire to live in the past ignores the economics of energy production and resource exhaustion. Coal is now more expensive than natural gas, and that trend will only solidify.
@JD-ex7ix3 жыл бұрын
Looks like your comment was deleted, but I still see it in my recommendations. My response is that perhaps you should think of the billions of people and millions of species that DON’T live near the arctic circle, and can’t survive in a world where all the coal and oil is burned. Bit selfish to prioritize the comforts of a few people in Alaska over everyone else.
@Darkwindowtint83893 жыл бұрын
@@JD-ex7ix Look into it bro. Watch the Alex Jones podcast with Joe Rogan, Earth almost went into another ice age permanently, and mass extinction. But we luckily evolved when we did. We are actually saving the planet by burning fossil fuels. C02 levels and oxygen levels were once much higher in earths early history. When you burn oil or coal or natural gas or any other substance that produces green house gases, you are SAVING the world. TRUUUMP!!!
@fbyi29403 жыл бұрын
@@Darkwindowtint8389 Alex jones... Boi....boi.
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
@@Darkwindowtint8389 They're lying to you.
@superadio15 жыл бұрын
We have no choice. We must reduce coal/oil burning powerplants.
@5urg3x3 жыл бұрын
Spins a turban? Lolol
@mariazupan70373 жыл бұрын
I love it when hurricanes hit wind mills and solar farms.
@AlphaKingofGlory3 жыл бұрын
Back to work
@stevebecwar92864 жыл бұрын
Sad
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
Happy for health
@JonathanMartinez3203 жыл бұрын
Damn shame
@colinagun21334 жыл бұрын
That club should be torpedoes log a go
@colconn573 жыл бұрын
Next movie, the last buggy maker in Arizona.
@Jemalacane03 жыл бұрын
Wind turbines are 1,000 year old technology. So, the chariot maker is putting the buggy maker out of business. Oh, and buggies are not run on fossil fuels, but cars and trucks are.
@markjsram4 жыл бұрын
I love Oregon! .... who cares about birds and trees? I want to see those big beautiful windmills!
@blown572hemi3 жыл бұрын
Better keep it on standby. It will be in use again after lefties figure it out
@Arturas12443 жыл бұрын
you cant coal cant be turned on off like gas,
@marktanska63312 жыл бұрын
?God luck...future
@JamesSmith-by3qy3 жыл бұрын
So can we use the Bedini schoolgirl overunity free energy circuit power plant, Perendev permanent magnet motor free energy overunity power plant, and Newman permanent magnet motor free energy power plant etc. now that they say UFOs are real!
@drygordspellweaver87612 жыл бұрын
No we can’t because those designs were never practical
@Nicholas-f53 жыл бұрын
Good riddance dirty coal! Solar, wind, batteries will be so much better for public health and for green jobs too.
@RussellFineArt4 жыл бұрын
So happy to see all coal plants and mines close. Yes, we have more than enough land for wind turbines and solar panels to produce all of our electricity. Shoot, very, very few roofs have solar panels and that's all dead space that could be used for them and wind turbines are getting so massive now, that 1 turbine can produce enough electricity for 16,000 homes.
@kevincrosby17603 жыл бұрын
16,000 very cold dark homes on a calm winter night.
@1joshjosh12 жыл бұрын
If anybody's mad at this remember we are not China and we are not India. they are doing the same to us in western Canada. And we have spent the same money on technology. Edit: that stupid hippie will be crying when her electrical bill triples.
@JT-zl8yp2 жыл бұрын
usa is the second biggest polluter in the world
@mikehillsgrove16123 жыл бұрын
$41.37 - Price of coal delivered per ton. Cost of solar fuel and wind fuel per ton $0. Yes, it cost more to build a coal plant than wind farms and solar plant both of which require less maintenance. Neither use water like a coal plant. LET COAL DIE!
@randacnam73213 жыл бұрын
Solar generates electricity in proportion to the amount of light hitting the modules. Wind generates electricity in proportion to the wind velocity *raised to the power of ~2.5.* Meaning if the wind speed halves, electricity generated drops by more than a factor of 6. Unless the wind velocity drops below 7mi/hr to 10mi/hr, in which case the wind turbines are now a load. Big wind turbines need turning gear to keep the blades rotating when the turbine is not generating, as otherwise the blades will warp and cock up the bladeset balance. This turning gear uses tens of kW per turbine. Yes, the 'fuel' is free. Making that fuel into useful energy is anything but.
@HieronymousLex3 жыл бұрын
Cost of driving to work? $5. Cost of walking 25 miles to work? $0. Walk every day to work. Cost of owning a house? $250,000+. Cost of being homeless? $0. Live on the streets. Your comparison makes no sense. It’s invalid. You’re not accounting for the fact that it costs money to install and maintain solar and wind farms, and you’re literally not even considering the amount of electricity produced. It doesn’t matter if solar or wind power are “free” if you have to build and maintain (which costs money) a ton of them just to produce the same amount of power. If it was actually cheaper, the government wouldn’t have to subsidize it, and coal plants would be shutting down on their own without government interference led by people like you who have no idea what they’re talking about.
@densondirosa44977 ай бұрын
Well they’re gonna need a crapper load of solar & windmills now, or you won’t be able to keep up wit all the EV cars, trucks, busses, bikes plus lights air conditioning, stoves & such, are lagging way behind the curve called demand, forgetPEAK DEMAND…. LOL !! Hope those folks in this old video, are now enjoying that crow they’re going to havta eat…..!!
@jarrodyuki70814 жыл бұрын
i dont care about mother earth.
@thomasstwo3 жыл бұрын
Coal doesn't make sense anymore either ecologically or economically. It did the job for many years, but now we have alternatives that are cheaper and cleaner.
@darrell350z2 жыл бұрын
No we dont.
@Wearedoom Жыл бұрын
Like what. It's not solar/wind so what else.
@thunderpop204 жыл бұрын
I HAVE HERNIA TWO OF THEM
@thunderpop204 жыл бұрын
HI
@boduke25225 жыл бұрын
good lets all help mother nature
@billcichoke25344 жыл бұрын
There's no mother in nature. We aren't doing anything the planet hasn't already seen or dealt with, and it won't care in the future. Why we ARE doing, is fulfilling the nazi/malthusian agenda of killing off as many people as possible. Not through war or pollution, but by denying them reliable and cheap power. Wanna help the planet? Get rid of renewables and vegans.
@boduke25224 жыл бұрын
@@billcichoke2534 u hv your opinion i hv mine
@billcichoke25344 жыл бұрын
@@boduke2522 Absolutely. I DO try my best to base my opinions on correct historical fact and observation though.
@boduke25224 жыл бұрын
@@billcichoke2534 again i hv mine u hv yours lets respect everyones opinion and move on
@billcichoke25343 жыл бұрын
@@chardontimes8392 Vegans require monocrops, which destroy the soil without the agency of herd animal wastes renewing and building it. Proven to create more desertification, which means lower oxygenation and less arable land. Also more health problems requiring more attention and assets. Vegans also tend to be use more technology and provide less actual work value, due to their lesser physical capability (again due to diet). As has been shown over the last 15 or so years, 're-greening' is possible, but ONLY through the inclusion of HERD ANIMALS. Also, as evidenced in certain sections of outer Sahara, this herding, plus HIGHER CO2 LEVELS, can even get plants to start growing in the WORST of these deserts. Renewables take and damage more land, with little to no benefit for the trouble. As well, end of life comes very quickly, and the components are not recyclable. This leads to a HUGE waste stream that usually falls on OTHER COUNTRIES to absorb. Not really as clean as advertised. If you want this or no electricity, then you're free to live that way. So move to subSaharan Africa. If you're REALLY wanting to deal with pollution and make cheap power available for all, AMERICAN coal plants and AMERICAN hard anthracite are less resource-heavy and cleaner than anyone else's coal generation. Plants cover 1/20 the area and provide CONSTANT, RELIABLE power for well over 40 years. If that isn't kosher, nuclear can do the same thing with 2/3 the space as coal, over similar lifespans, and produces ZERO exhaust and almost ZERO waste. With Liquid Fuelled Thorium reactors, that waste and others' nuclear waste can even be recycled as fuel. God DOES help us...if we stop listening to the false goddess (Gaia) zealots and use our heads.
@kittybanana93895 жыл бұрын
Thats good, now Oregon doesn't use dirty coal!
@carolv57265 жыл бұрын
How will you heat YOUR home (if you own one) when the electrical grid goes down from too much stress on it? I assume you drive an electric car or a bus or mass transit... GEE, WHERE DOES ALL THE power to keep those modes of transportation AND lights and refrigeration of foods, among hundreds of other things that ALL people use every day; where is all that power going to come from? Maybe one day some wise people will figure out a practical/sensible way to use less hydro and coal for electricity production (since we also can't have nuclear plants either) but that time is not NOW. It amazes me that the climate "chicken littles" can't see the future of their impractical and dangerous ideas.
@kittybanana93895 жыл бұрын
@@carolv5726 there is renewable energy sources. And for heating you use natural gas
@rbeez20045 жыл бұрын
@@kittybanana9389 people have to understand what dispatchable power is. Dispatchable power is power that can be adjusted on demand or when needed. This is power from coal, oil, natural gas and nuke. Wind power or renewable energy is not dispatchable. However what makes fossil fuel more expensive is the fact that when renewable energy output is up fossil fuel plants have to decrease output. Because costs dont decrease in times of low output the average costs of fossil fuels goes up substantially making fossil fuel appear to be higher. Bad thing is renewable energy such as wind doesn't care when energy demands are high like in summer with your a/c. If everyone turns their a/c on and it is a hot windless day you will have black outs or the local governments telling young people to use fans so the elderly can use a/c. So you see fossil fuels are in reality cheaper and more reliable. Its not the USA that a pollution pump its up and comming industrializing countries like China who we all helped get where they are that are poluting.