A Lot of People Don't Want to Win | James Butler Meets David Graeber

[@lauramartin5579]

So sad. David Graeber Rest In Power. ❤🌹

[@anthonywaterhousr4198]

David, an imaginative thinker, will be missed.

[@d-5037]

Rest in power ❤️

[@DDshoeshowz01]

As a nurse, I can only wholeheartedly agree with Mr Graeber's conclusions.

[@proteus4301]

David was a great loss to humanity. Just re-reading through his books in the last few weeks reminds me what an intellectual giant he was. RIP.

[@ApertureScience27]

I just want to say I like the interviewer, obviously well-read and asks the right questions.

[@Welshhomie]

James butler is excellent and provides some of the most informative analysis on the British left in my view

[@DeadWhiteButterflies]

Oh hells yeah. One my fave philosophical bigwigs in the house! Pretty much the reason I now follow Novara. Big love to Gaeber.

[@liam314]

Graeber* 😉

[@BabelSongs]

So true I did a job like that for 9 years

[@amasulem]

As I now chip in as a patron I demand more of this....pretty please.

[@kevinbarry4595]

Very brief, but a fascinating conversation.

[@ince55ant]

anyone else watch Severance? its a fantastic surrealist presentation of these ideas but also some of the motivations for participating in the system (as a form of escapism, a opportunity for sadistic dominance, reverance for a great leader...)

[@wertzui995]

Such a great mind.. Rest in Power

[@tigerstyle4505]

I spent most of my life getting money in the streets and when a PO would force me to get a "real job" (W-2 job) it was pretty much always in food service, fast food and steak houses. Now I'm all "reformed" and shit and my job has so many layers of bs work it ain't even funny. Really there are there labor workers and necessary office workers who coordinate with things outside of the site and visiters and all that. But we have 2 massive front offices that do VERY little and 5 or so bosses between the laborer/office worker and the site "director", none of whom know what they're doing most of the time or are necessary. All that's really required to run the building is the labor workers, half or less of the office workers, 2 HR workers and 1 ELECTED supervisor that comes from the rank and file. We organize ourselves better than they ever could and most of the people there are redundant af. We could more than half the workforce, double the pay and come out more efficient and at a lower overhead. It's insanity. I love that the best critiques I've ever heard about our ideas are "you can't defend/sustain it" and "it's too much democracy". Defense is no longer really an argument as theory has evolved since the days that we saw that play out and has been accounted for (not to mention that even short lived communism is more than authoritarians have achieved, I don't want to sustain just anything for the sake of being sustainable) and I'll take autonomy over any alternative one may put forward any day of the week. So neither are really arguments and say a hell of a lot more about the person doing the critique than the proponent of freedom lol Ignorant or dishonest and lazy.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Upper and middle management could all be cut and every business would be better.

[@mattylamb9194]

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 - upper management is required. Middle management could be got rid of, more often than not

[@mattylamb9194]

Actually, it's the same with the middle-class. Although the general narrative is that upper class and working class are normally opposed to each other, in some ways they are more in tune with each other. It's the middle class that often is out of kilt

[@xavierivarnateson532]

David Graeber would totally wreck Jordan Peterson in a debate.

[@minivergur]

David Graeber would MANIFEST the concept of REASON and take Jordan Peterson to the SHADOW REALM and CHOP his metaphysical substrate of being with a MACHETE of LOGIC

[@davidgraeber5046]

I feel that way

[@shoada1]

Totally true... I used to call them 'Gate - Keeping' jobs... 'Bull Shit Jobs' so much more apt

[@redcoltken]

RIP David

[@iananderson-ley1847]

Rest in power David

[@ShadaOfAllThings]

People keep talking about working within the system, but when will they realize that the system is literally the problem and needs to be removed?

[@cameloty]

Concur.....www.wsws.org

[@vampireducks1622]

@Shada. Yep, the system needs to be removed. But how? Graeber was saying that if we want results, and not just a credo, then it makes sense to have people against the system both outside it and within it - or, as he put it, in the context of Britain, *both* the radical "extra-parliamentary" *and* "parliamentary left", working independently but also co-operating... Hope that's clear.

[@DDshoeshowz01]

I do believe people are waking up to that fact.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Vampire ducks, what do you mean how? Stop participating in any way you can. Be strategically violent. Overthrow.

[@elweedo2003]

Big love for Graber and Butler

[@snakeslizards1884]

Rest in power 💔

[@osianmuhammad]

12 mins in it's rojova theyr're talking about yeah? he sort of mumbles it (as if it was pre-refferenced) ?

[@sengs.4838]

Grabber is now well famous with his essay but he is a great economist

[@buze1]

can someone source that 1992-2001 bureaucrats in russia stat? cant find anything on it!

[@lukaku2954]

Where has Names Butler gone tho, haven't seen or heard him in a while

[@mike-wi8wm]

What place is he talking about that isn't a state?

[@QuarrelsomeLocalOaf]

Rojava

[@kristiandevries1393]

"A really strange change in the British left...we are from movements that have been historically skeptical about institutional politics, and of parties generally, and are...owning up to the fact that maybe we were a little too broad or categorical". No, that is just you and the rest of Novara media...

[@kristiandevries1393]

@@patrickholt2270 I am an Anarchist. I am opposed to participating in electoral politics or hierarchical parties. My criticism of Novara is that they are effectively a social democratic media company which label themselves as communist revolutionaries when they are supporting modern day capitalism by advocating participation in the state as well as news coverage primarily about electoral politics. I still enjoy watching Novara as it is one of the best mainstream media companies, the lockdown podcast is great; but it is not revolutionary, communist or anti-state in any way. They can't then turn around and say that because they advocate party politics, keynesian economics, centralization and nationalization the British left has given up on abolishing capitalism, the state and hierarchy.

[@anantsharma7955]

I liked the video but the title is irrelavant to what was discussed.

[@segasys1339]

"Alienation is seperation from the product of your work but here there is no product." This sounds like the punchline of a joke but he meant it completely unironically lollll.

[@celestialteapot3310]

How do l get one of these jobs?

[@dekinbg1027]

I was working at state company(Serbia) as computer engineer, 1 hour/day. Believe me, it's terrible.

[@oscarvonbismarsh3554]

"the bullshit-isation of real work" is going to be my twitter bio now

[@ilyasmoulayramdanemoulat1624]

Im anarchist individualist at least I say it to anybody

[@eugene5509]

Who's going to pick the potatoes? Any takers?

[@outsideleftgal8991]

💗..Up the careworkers!!! PS James, after the revolution middle class Mr right-ons will have to do lots of care work - that they secretly considered beneath them. Care work isn't working class women's work, it's everybody's..Or they can hand-make bricks for aesthetically pleasing, high quality pre-60s style social housing* in the gulag 😈 *#Nothings2Gd4TheWorkingClass

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Yes. In patriarchal society, so-called women's work is devalued, regardless of what tasks it includes. It is devalued specifically because of its association with women.

[@mattylamb9194]

Well, caring work and building work certainly are non bullshit jobs. They both really matter

[@erheetrherh2659]

David doesn't look well :(

[@davidgraeber5046]

no I was okay just overworked and hadn't slept as much as I should

[@kyivstuff]

[@daylightintheswamp9315]

Seems so blatantly obvious the hypocrisy. Wtf are these guys going?!?

[@AI-Hallucination]

The only good interview this biased channel has ever done

[@Muzikman127]

Some pretty good interviews on downstream

[@gewizz2]

james butler talks camp

[@flower-ld5id]

omg

[@gewizz2]

@@flower-ld5id r u gay too?

[@flower-ld5id]

@@gewizz2 wouldn't you like to know

[@SR-fw4yy]

4:56 bullshitization

[@AudioPervert1]

Graeber wrote some great books and essays .. Too bad he just passed away so suddenly