A NAS with a No Name Motherboard, Mounted in a 3D Printed Case?!

[@dareisaysneed]

bro casually saying he has 12 pm7 ssds for pleasure

[@Mack_Dingo]

Worth more than my car, tv, and gaming computer combined😔

[@BBWahoo]

High-Speed CP

[@iukeay]

The best kind of flex

[@marcogenovesi8570]

even 4 pm7 would give me so much pleasure

[@Nathanielcameron]

@@BBWahoo ffs dude....

[@eldibs]

Something to note about Unraid in 2024, they changed their license structure. The lower end licesnes now, in addition to limiting the number of storage devices you can have, also limit you to only one year of OS updates (you still get security patches until your version is deemed EOL). You have to pay to get updates after the year lapses. If you have an older Basic license (instead of the new Starter license) you will still get all the patches and updates indefinitely. Something to keep in mind if you don't already own an Unraid license key.

[@sceerane8662]

What's even the appeal of Unraid nowadays? There's so many NAS operating systems out there that don't cost a penny.

[@rocktheworld2k6]

@@sceerane8662 For me it's the ability to mismatch drive sizes and still have parity protection, and being able to add to my storage array without having to worry about getting a drive with the same size as the rest of the array.

[@NdxtremePro]

@@sceerane8662 It is an easier UI for the BYO disks over OMV, that now supports ZFS as an alternative, and as of the version 7 in beta. doesn't require a disk in the Unraid style array. So you have the similar options to TruNAS with ZFS while retaining the unique Unraid Arrays if you just want to use randomly sized disks rather than matched pairs. It has docker, plugins and VM support, with a plugin for LXC support as well, and then you have the community around it.

[@eldibs]

@@sceerane8662 Ease of use and quick setup. I run both TrueNAS Scale and Unraid on different machines, and getting Unraid set up and working with basic NAS functionality and running Plex took half the time and effort that TrueNAS did at most.

[@CharizardSnyper]

​@@sceerane8662it's a noob friendly and pretty easy to set up if you don't have any cli skills

[@Tuhar]

This is my favorite kind of tech content. Coloring way outside the lines!

[@PandaPeej]

Just wanted to watch something quick before work. Instead, I get a mad science project that's got me wanting to order in some parts and take a week off to play around.

[@blackhorseteck8381]

That evil giggle at 0:10 😂

[@kickinacoustic6119]

I hope soon we get more focus from manufacturers in the low power computing applications like this.

[@bhume7535]

As total noob OMV has been pretty easy to figure out. I've not the skill to figure out issue that arise adding the ZFS plugin, but for basic SMB and iSCSI and random services and generally just learning by screwing around it's been great.

[@vincei4252]

Franken forbidden NAS

[@zekezander]

That 8 bay ITX NAS 3d print printables model 406125-8-bay-itx-nas

[@Phoen1x883]

It's in the description now

[@nathanddrews]

Seems like so many KZbinrs have a bunch of these ultra-expensive Kioxia SSDs sitting around - is there some secret method to buying them on the cheap? Does Kioxia just give them out for the exposure? Or am I just really poor?

[@BBWahoo]

Maybe they give him discounts, but he does have a lot of skills

[@casperghst42]

Nop, I'm also poor, dirt poor.

[@Aegor1998]

EBay referbs probably

[@salmiakki5638]

Kioxia marketing budget being spent to get that brand awareness, no other reason

[@Thomas_H473]

i first learned that kioxia pm7 are awesome because of wendell - so their marketing scheme seems to check out just right

[@SuperMari026]

This is absolutely insane timing, I just sat down to start configuring my ZimaCube(NAS) and here you are with a insane NAS video. I love it when Wendell reads my mind :D

[@leviathanpriim3951]

super cool. thanks Wendell

[@Maxjoker98]

Haha, I'm basically accidentally building the budged version of this. I bought some thin clients, containing older ryzen cores, which I use with some cheap USB HDDs and SMB instead of iSCSI, hosted on Debian Bookworm instead of Sid, and I only have a GbE, and a single router, but still plan to use a switch with VLANs to have one of the thin clients act as a firewall/router.

[@jmwintenn]

sir wendell, have a look at the hdplex 250w gan psu. perfect for these kinds of things.

[@JoeStoppinghem]

I been storing on NAS with no name. It felt good to be out of the rain. In the storage, you can remember your name cause there ain’t fear to give you a pain.

[@kaeota]

Best reference, holy snap!

[@JoeStoppinghem]

@@kaeota La La, la la la.

[@pabloszi]

I am using this board with proxmox. As my main system. On top of proxmox you can run plenty other stuff. Even virtualized Unraid (tested - works flawlesly). But the best power efficiency it has when used with docker&LXCs. In terms of power per Watt and features it is unbeatable board. Can confirm - on idle it gets little power, but has a kick when needed (when idle - gets only few Watts, 100% utilization with iGPU involved - 90Watts).

[@Marc.Google]

You essentially named all the options I would consider in 2024: OMV, Unraid, or TrueNas…. looking forward to seeing which you decide on. Forbidden Router is one of my favourite series of yours as I’m looking to do the same but on a smaller/simpler scale (router/pihole/media server/storage server while being able to run a few VM’s)

[@grim86]

wendell i suggest the aliexpress 12bay sas bars. theyre basically the front of server chasis removed. you connect them to a sas card and youre good to go

[@twinssword]

Do you happen to have a name? Aren't these cages quite expensive?

[@billkillernic]

".... trying to build a small .... forbidden router" (that costs as much as many people's studio apartment lol or at least their brand new car :P )

[@mikegrok]

I think that you need to put up some solar panels, and inverter, and a battery bank so that you can run higher power CPUs without worrying about how much power they consume. ie a hybrid or off grid solar setup.

[@floodo1]

I think I’m gonna use one of those m.2 to oculink to pcie slot adapters in my NAS. I have a spare m.2 slot and it’s only 2265 so perfect for adapting to a SAS controller for a few drives (4-5)

[@Reaper_1994]

The downside to SAS SSD's, at least in Australia, is availability. Kioxia drives are not sold in Australia, let alone most other enterprise SSD's. At least from the major suppliers like Ingram Micro, Leader, Dicker Data, and so on. We're stuck with Micron drives and only SATA, U.2/U.3, and M.2 drives.

[@danagoyette7932]

One problem with using VLANs on the WAN side: some cable modems will latch onto the first MAC address they see send ANY packet and refuse to send DHCP responses to any other MAC address... even if the first MAC address it saw wasn't from a DHCP request, or even not from an IP packet at all!

[@mobilechaosyt]

I have been looking at upgrading my unraid system and while there are great 3D printed drive bays out there none have the ability to swap disks. Granted I have only had to swap drives twice in the past 9 1/2 years, but I would like to have that convenience. I will probably still stick with the more power hungry system since we mostly use it for Emby and our network TV tuner access from multiple devices.

[@apefu]

Very interesting. I am planning for a similar project. In particular I want SSD, not for speed but for noise.

[@xani666]

I do separate router (just small cheap dual ethernet boards) in redundancy purely because the last thing I want to do in failure case is to be cut from the internet. I'm also planning to run VM with homeassistant on the routers that have DRBD underneath, so it can migrate to other one if needed

[@Nobody-vr5nl]

I made a 3d printed case for my pi & mini pc server farm. Holds 5 devices with modular sleds and a 120mm fan. Was very fun to make.

[@spiralout112]

Neat build! Having everything on one host is definitely a bonus sometimes when it comes to networking, or the lack there of. Would love to see a general guide on how you would set this all up software wise. I'm running VMware and truenas to do something similar but always looking for ideas for the inevitable proxmox/xcpng migration.

[@CRCinAU]

I've recently started playing with having my FTTP connection going into a switch, then 3 proxmox nodes having their own ethernet into this switch. The other network interface (2.5Gb USB) on the proxmox nodes go to a different 2.5Gbit switch with 10Gbit uplinks. It allows me to migrate the router VM between any of the 3 proxmox nodes without even seeing any downtime. Hook that into Proxmox's HA subsystem, and there ya go....

[@pingviinikaste]

Been eyeing the same MOBO for quite some time, but wondering how the iGPU manages to transcode on the fly. Hell of a beast, but not everyone wants to bite the bullet with a noname brand from Aliexpress

[@matthewspeltz2185]

CRAP YES! I've been hoping something like this could exist! I have no idea if this will work, gonna watch the video now!

[@hugevibez]

I would like something like this but build around a U.3 backplane thats easily bought. You can go the icydock route but thats pricy

[@jeremybarber2837]

Makes me think of the new HL8, which would be a sweet build with the bare bones chassis.

[@Robber7]

Can't you start doing video tutorials on setting stuff like this up? Simple stuff, advanced stuff. Anything

[@sportsfamily77]

I'd definitely like to see an unraid revisit! Here have some engagement 🤳

[@pkt1213]

Only Wendell is using 100gig home networking. 😂 I still want a friend like Wendell. Whom I can tell, "this is my insane idea, what do you think?" And I think he would reply, "That would work but what if we made it even more insane by doing this...and it will work well."

[@ayylien]

I like these flexible nas builds with small motherboards, I am in the process of updating my server and found a cool m.2 10gbe card using older intel controllers. I have an older silverstone HTPC case I use and decided to try some diy HHD tray to improve the air flow in the case its tight but it looks like its going to work and improve air flow.

[@lamensje]

I would love to replicate this, but you mentioned you would do things differently the second time around. What do you recommend?

[@klfjoat]

10:15 This is like what Brad Fitzpatrick (LiveJournal, OpenID, memcached, Golang, Tailscale) has done at his home. He's got his setup documented in a public GitHub repo and it looks a lot like this.

[@Jamesaepp]

It's pretty common in enterprise situations too depending on just how conscious the environment/business is around security.

[@Viking8888]

I am wanting to build an all in one server and this motherboard appears to be exactly what I need. I was thinking Proxmox for the base OS and then OPNsense, TrueNAS (I have 8 drives), docker for things like HA and Wyze bridge and Windows 11 or something like bazzite for local game streaming. I have a spare RX 580 8 GB that can drop into that PCIe slot. Oh man, now I just need lots of money!

[@PuOop-j9l]

insane as it sounds you can do tiered storage between the 8 sas and the kioxia

[@boanerges5723]

The ARC A310 or A380 can be good low power options for hardware AV1 encoding....although just using a lower end Ryzen 8xxx APU would work as well and draw less power total

[@guitaristtom]

I know you mentioned about iSCSI, but have you ever looked in to CEPH storage? I've been trying to work on multi-system storage at home.

[@DangoNetwork]

you should check some Chinese NAS case design that use Dell's drive tray.

[@Delease]

Speaking of high availability, it would be interesting to see a video on the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol and its deployment in a SOHO network. You've shown the VM router path to HA, now you could explore how to do it on bare metal (perhaps with OpenWRT).

[@peronik349]

question probably strange: what could be the capacity of SSD-SAS in 3.5 format (not the standard 2.5) when we see the capacity of some SSD NVME 2.5 which reach ~30TB or ~60TB ???

[@rogerhalt3991]

This is great if you have a room where you can hide it out the way, some people want a reasonably nice aesthetic.

[@chrismay2298]

Some of us prefer to see what we build. Especially if we put time in CAD to design it.

[@TheChoasMan]

What SAS controller / HBA did you use for this? I've been struggling to find 24G SAS HBAs online (although I am in the UK). I can't even find a seller of new ones.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

seems to be a broadcomm 9500-16i. If you are looking for so many drives you are better off looking for a sas expander + a normal 8 port sas card, or a SAS 9305-24i

[@joeykeilholz925]

O man. The joy of rabbit holes on this channel.

[@doppelkloppe]

Is there any way to bond two m.2 interfaces into a single x8 pcie interface? Is that kind of reverse bifurcation a thing on server hardware?

[@zCaptainz]

Wouldn't an ARC 380 do the same job as that RTX A4000? wtf.. talk about overkill

[@СусаннаСергеевна]

The integrated 780M should also be able to handle a bunch of encoding streams. He’s using eleven Kioxia SAS drives, I doubt cost effectiveness was really a consideration here. He probably didn’t have to pay for those drives, but someone wanting to replicate this would.

[@danagoyette7932]

But the ARC would draw tons of power at idle. I have an A770, and it uses 40 watts at idle. If I try to enable ASPM, depending on machine, it either does nothing, or makes it fall off the GPU crash or something.

[@9rune5]

I would love to see a deep-dive into how to solve storage redundancy without hw-RAID. I have a Synology NAS solution where I can replace a drive with a bigger one and gain access to more storage (well, I need two larger drives before the bump happens IIRC). I've been looking for what a good replacement would look like, because Synology is proprietary and some of their hw is wonky (their $100 PSU gave up its magic smoke after three or four years). I want faster than 1GBps NIC, docker container support, wireguard support (currently still lacking with Synology I believe) and easy ways of increasing storage down the road. And some redundancy (not necessarily for all files).

[@lifefromscratch2818]

I'd really like to see some more content on home/homelap appropriate hardware redundancy/failover/high availability stuff. Enterprise level throughput and power draw doesn't make since in most homes, but I'd still like to improve my system fault tolerance. A situational example is I'm currently living the RV life and have a large portion of my "homelap" at my parent's. I'd like to be able to be in Washington while my Jellyfin server is in Maine and if something dies the whole family isn't without movies until I get back to replace hardware. So yeah, this more unhinged way of utilizing consumer gear in redundant ways is interesting to me.

[@HopelessAutistic]

I do not route the Internet in front of a storage. For gawd sakes alive get an old workstation and hypervise them all, and have a separate interface for the ISP.

[@johnbeer4963]

Funny that, I've been looking at bending up some metal to make my own 2.5" NAS chassis with a lot of bays. I've decided to go SSD for noise, size, reliability, and power reasons. Someone please try to talk me out of this as i decided this a year ago and the cost of SSDs has meant i haven't even properly started the project yet

[@Tobarja]

I didn't quite follow the switch/vlan diagram at around 10:30, anyone know if he covers this elsewhere?

[@DATApush3r]

This ticks every box possible for my special interests haha Thanks Wendell!

[@coffeeart8670]

What's the thermal management like? PLA wouldn't last very long because it starts to sag at relatively low temps...

[@Harve6988]

Wiring diagram needed. Didn't quite follow the m.2, oculink, x16 bit.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

It's pretty much exactly how you just wrote it out: M.2 to Oculink adapter -> Oculink cable -> Oculink to x16 PCIe slot breakout

[@DrathVader]

Can you spin down hdds on zfs? Its been my understanding that it doesnt generally like that

[@rachelberkhahn9612]

He loaded all his flash into a NAS with no name ...

[@Chris_miller192]

How close can you get to 7W idle if you spin down the mechanical drives?

[@scentilatingone2148]

Those drives ar 1k. How bout something for us plebs.

[@ewenchan1239]

I'd use this thing has a HPC scratch disk. I already peg my 100 Gbps IB network at between 80-90 Gbps thanks to in-application RDMA. Do you have the link to the post on the Level1Techs forums for this video?

[@bokami3445]

9:44 -> Oops, forgot to install the back plate.

[@cannesahs]

Now dig in why Ryzen Pro 8700G on B650D4U takes around 19 watts idle from wall? Should be around 10 watts even with BMC and chipset. Xeon E-2436 X13SCH-LN4F can go to around 12 watts idle from wall with identical hardware. 2x32GB dimms, one L1.2 supported nvm or DIPM supported sata SSD with sub 100mW idle, BMC nic and 1x host 1gig nic connected

[@ReubenHamill]

Would love to see this with a framework motherboard.

[@DrathVader]

I don't think framework has enough pcie for all that storage, unless you mean a simpler sata version. That would be neat

[@MikeBob2023]

Watching Wendell's videos makes me smarter. 📺💡🧠

[@hardrocklobsterroll395]

Digging Wendell’s work freebie builds lol

[@ThisOldChris]

You don't mind running a NAS without ECC RAM?

[@rd-um4sp]

I really hope we get a skynet mention on the next show ;-) (ot. comment because I can never get interesting equipment to mess around in my jurisdiction.)

[@mjmeans7983]

What would the perfect DIY combination be costing less than $1,000, and not using no-name high-risk-of surveillance-ridden-silicon Chinesium?

[@Terran.Marine.2]

Thanks Steve, err, Wendell.

[@prince3121]

Home Server on Steroids. We are so far behind here in my country with homelabs, because of cost implications. These videos are great for low power server builds. I'm still running a HP NL36 Microserver with about 6TB mechanical drives. I use this just for media storage, so does not have to be fast. So, I'm always on the look out for low power home server affordable builds.😎

[@nicholascopsey4807]

I would like the video about multiple computers connecting to a single iscsi share. It would be nice for my desktop and laptop sharing data for programs that require a ‘real’ hard drive instead of a network drive.

[@derekjcooper]

Is that SuperMicro LEGO at @1:22 ?

[@Destroyer954]

pm7? i am curious what sas ssds are best for a reasonable priced homelab but pm7 ain't that :D

[@GIANNHSPEIRAIAS]

i did a similiar ghetto thing took a zyxel 542 really basic nas nothing cool and alll i bought a tplink n600 slapped openwrt overclocked it and changed the ports to their original 2.5g's modded the nas to get m2s i tried to bypass the 14tb limit but that os is a mess

[@InvadersDie]

anyone got an STL for those kioxia drives?

[@nail_nail2]

If you have an LSI off a pci gen 4 x4 you get 8GB/s which is 64 gbit/s. How can this get 80 gbit?

[@003bobjones]

I don't come close to your storage perfomance but host router virtual platform for almost decade now. As long as it same network switch fail over happens quickly.

[@xValkyrie93]

The Mad Scientist vibes I never realised I wanted. But now I need. I dont care that I wont be building anything like this. Maybe for like 5 years... But god I enjoy watching the insanity XD

[@JaCkFlApPiNg]

I read this as "A NAS with No Name"

[@ddzwiedziu]

Is this Wendel thinking that he could and not stopping to think if he should? 🤔

[@worldgate989]

Casually mentions his 20k in ssd's as if everyone has it. It's why i dont take youtuber builds seriously anymore.

[@chrismay2298]

Yep. YT builds and DIYs have been ruined by sponsorships.

[@worldgate989]

Indeed, can't wait to see this guy get some of those 48GB gpu's and tell us how great they are, meanwhile like 10 people have one that watch the video haha.

[@acroyear2lolz]

shame these mobile Ryzens don't have ECC support. I feel like the chinesium NAS boards are on the verge of greatness

[@mikeh5493]

amazing truly ty

[@wooviee]

I personally would stick to Linux, something like NixOS is what I'm leaning into these days. It's fun to have such an easy to configure and deploy OS.

[@peterruppert7856]

Awesome!

[@madmanali93]

How do you get a no name motherboard?

[@johnqsak]

Well i guess I know what I want for Christmas now :P

[@LuisYomba]

what's the ballpark price for this setup ?, just looked for a 100GB NIC, $500 each, so ... pricey 😢

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Used should be way cheaper

[@TheUntamed101]

Eh... I am doing the NixOS thing for my NAS/Workstation. It is painful. Like seriously fucking hurts. Worth it... but it's generally a horrible experience. Despite this, it's extremely worth it. You will hate it. You should try it.

[@michaelgleason4791]

So essentially, one thing led to another and here we are.

[@casperghst42]

Wendell getting carried away... Nooooooooooooooo.......

[@EllesiaWilliams]

Please do a video on CEPH...

[@milescarter7803]

So the problem was I never watched the first video because you 'buried the lead'. It was not clear in the thumbnail or title (to me at least) that it wasn't another one of the Intel mobile motherboards.

[@bourne_]

Exclusive previews xD available for 20 seconds, commented 15h ago 😏

[@Level1Techs]

patreons and floatplane subscribers get early access to all of our videos ~Editor Autumn

[@GeorgeSomething5]

That’s one SASsy computer. 😂

[@LA-MJ]

M.2 Cheatcode is hardly a cheatcode when you need extra power. Best you can do is 2.5G not 10G