A No-Paperwork LEGAL Pistol Stock? The One Shot Stock [TriggrCon 2023]

[@JaycobFactor]

Gotta appreciate companies giving the ATF a hard time 😂

[@puropresidential]

More like the ATF is giving us a hard time, these guys just stick up for us

[@Zundfolge]

Based on the ridiculous amount of puffery in that sales pitch, that guy clearly thinks his would-be customers are stupid ... so that says to me they're as likely to be feds themselves as they are to be actual entrepreneurs.

[@03Grunt-arrino]

@DOOMAOSee what you did there haha

[@negativefishermen9286]

Matt Hoover did it he’s in federal prison

[@TheWalterKurtz]

If we don't give ATF a hard time there's no point in being gun owners.

[@ultrablue2]

ATF today: Oh, no, that’s fine guys. Perfectly legal. ATF one year from now: WARNING! You’ve just broke federal law! Everyone goes to prison!

[@g54b95]

Yep. That's how they roll, until they get their balls chopped off. Which is coming soon.

[@matthewconnor5483]

Just more fuel for the lawyers to make them look stupid in court.

[@clamum9648]

Fo shizzy

[@WaitWhatsMyName]

You go to prison, you go to prison, everyone goes to prison! - oprah

[@Knight_of_the_Old_Code]

​@@WaitWhatsMyNameHe's going to boot camp! She's going to boot camp! You're all going to boot camp! - Maury

[@jasonmullins3900]

People are going to be 3d printing the hell out of these.

[@erroneous6947]

That was my thought. Should be easy to print.

[@pauvilreutov2975]

I literally came here to the comments to say that I'm designing and printing one for my Hellcat right now.😂

[@jasonmullins3900]

@pauvilreutov2975 microcenter is emailing coupons that drops the new K1 to 379. Basically, anyone can print nylon now.

[@bdkj3e]

​@@pauvilreutov2975man you gotta hook me up with that design

[@fire_tower]

Printer go brrrt

[@Tomcatx39]

I have a hard time believing any agency or the secret service uses this when they have full auto pdws, smgs, and can use stocks on pistols and use sbrs.

[@animal0mother]

I bet if one agent or agency bought one for the slightest shits and giggles or cursory testing purposes, they're bragging or would brag about it. (The ATF may have bought one just to figure a way to make it illegal.) There is no reason for LEO agencies to field these for actual work.

[@execprotect6147]

They don't use them. Idiots like this guy will give a free part to someone who is active mil/leo, just to say it's "in use." It's of no use to anyone in law enforcement, or the military. Isn't this the same company that used to make shitty bore sights, and knock off lasers?

[@DB-yj3qc]

Years ago, I saw something like that used for cameras and spotting scopes. I wouldn't be surprised if some agencies had bought them.... another way to burn taxpayers dollars. I highly doubt that Air Marshall's, or S.S. would use it for handguns. Maybe some are using it with camera and spotting scopes. Photographers use similar tools in past.

[@Doc.Holiday]

Yep,.. lm calling BS on that one too.

[@uglyjihad]

Not tryna sound mean but the way he was stuttering so much was annoying me too

[@jeffhays1968]

Love the innovations overtaking the ATF regulations and forcing them into more and more silly positions. Keep up the good work America.

[@chrism4008]

Lol, you didnt hear him say thats who they made it for first? The State

[@WitchyWagonReal]

@@chrism4008Well… if you think about it, that’s a fantastic strategy. Do you really see any state agency invested in a polymer kit like this when they have subs, carbines, rifles… but the minutes you say, “It’s for Law Enforcement- now available to the public!” shit flies out the door… like every AR and EOtech and piece of kit that had “For Military and Law Enforcement Only!” 😆

[@Caveman125]

@@WitchyWagonRealyour not wrong, people are so dumb.

[@Weimerica8841]

​@@WitchyWagonRealI just like Eotechs man 😢

[@MrRedrooster53]

"Price, one day you're going to learn that it cuts both ways".

[@coledrevenj]

The stock isn't illegal, but the price they want is a crime.

[@ryshellso526]

3D printer it. ;)

[@AT-xr8qh]

Idk, if it could be made to work with something like ar pistols, it could be useful

[@Tier1Norseman]

You can make a better one at home! 😂

[@stevenwagner9912]

I thought about making a vest with a socket on each shoulder on top of a pad.

[@clamum9648]

Standard firearms industry product. Prices are unhinged.

[@asalmon2112]

“One shot” is what your dog will hear, incidentally

[@lonewanderer3603]

I laughed out loud when he said $2000. Even $129 seems like a lot for something that could probably be 3d printed for $10.

[@Skwisgar2322]

Or injection moulded for .10c a pop.

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Or made from scrap PVC pipe

[@AlexDenton0451]

​@@Skwisgar2322injection molding costs a fuckton to set up at first, 129 is taking the piss though.

[@randyjackson5159]

Common marketing tactic when you're trying to sell something overpriced. You say some ridiculous number first so when you say the price it seems like it's less compared to that crazy price. $129 is very expensive but after saying $2000 it doesn't seem as abdsurd

[@lonewanderer3603]

@@randyjackson5159 kind of a kick in the nuts to the taxpayer to know that's what they are charging the federal agencies for these things. If it's true.

[@woodlandranger9817]

For $20 to $30, I might buy just for shiggles. They're crazy as hell to price that at $129 though

[@briantruxtonjr.6108]

I was gonna go look but now I don't have to......🥜

[@erroneous6947]

Should be easy for someone to 3-d print one.

[@TheGrimiest]

He didn’t want to say the price at all and kept rambling too it was so annoying

[@walkingwolf8072]

Gee only $129 to get free room and board for five years.

[@briantruxtonjr.6108]

@@walkingwolf8072 its not attached that's the whole point

[@blcouch]

I saw a non-attached buttstock in Small Arms Review maybe back in 2004 or so. It was simple, yet very effective and completely legal because as soon as you let go of the grip, the stock would fall off.

[@RevRedmondFarrier]

"The ATF has no jurisdiction." What makes you think that is going to stop them? They just put two guys in prison for what boils down to metal business cards and one of the guys was only advertising them. I hope you are prepared, because if this thing gets a bit of attention, they will certainly try to do the same to you. (Not saying you shouldn't be doing this. Just that you should be ready for a nasty legal battle with the possibility of jail time if they think your product take off.)

[@oskar6661]

Yep, we're well past the point of what is legal and illegal...that's all in the eyes of the "administration" now.

[@trailertrashtactics]

I can't believe anybody thumbs ups your response. Absolute boomer.

[@ericpettyfishing]

I cannot fathom living in such a state of fear

[@nelsonbrum8496]

**new AFT definition coming soon**

[@nelsonbrum8496]

*interpretation

[@bayoucity1]

Citizen: "The ATF has no jurisdiction." ATF: "Hold my beer."

[@bertroost1675]

This joke is so worn out. But 5 tards liked it.

[@D.A_1988]

Give it a few years...the atf will back peddle and call it a "detachable sbr"

[@stefanmolnapor910]

"We can have them but not you" - AFT

[@KateHikes1933]

Power is the only thing that matters. The system is doing whatever they want, words on paper be damned.

[@billstevens5277]

A few years, LOL. Probably a few months.

[@m.w.2401]

What the ATF says doesn't matter.

[@KateHikes1933]

@@m.w.2401 Wrong. They throw people in prison and kill people for fighting back. That matters.

[@lanedexter6303]

Years ago, I had a little “shoulder stock” of plastic and threaded rod to adjust length, even a little curved cheek piece, but the front end was a leather wrist piece. So it wasn’t really a stock because it didn’t touch the gun in my hand, only braced my wrist.

[@garyK.45ACP]

"ATF has no jurisdiction" 🤣 Incoming: New ATF regulation banning anything that _can be held up to a handgun_ to "readily convert" it to a SBR. Get yours NOW. Pay cash. DO NOT order it online.

[@mhans79]

Would probably also make it a machine gun as far as the ATF is concerned lol

[@SpaceRanger187]

just 3d print it

[@kcamroccamian]

"ATF can't regulate you stabilizing against a wall". Are you sure? I wouldn't put it past them

[@Weimerica8841]

​@@SpaceRanger187Hahaha it's like screenshotting an NFT. $120 for a plastic stock is madness, I don't care if it survives a cinderblock.

[@BuckF0eJiden]

Shit, you can just make one with some sheet aluminum, a pair of pliers and a vice... 10/10, though. Would 3d print and zip tie to a handgun. Because FTATF

[@RoboHearted]

Why would a federal agency need this for? They have access to almost anything they want to carry.

[@2aTommy]

Any product or company giving the finger to the ATF is a good thing imo.

[@StarryNightMachinima]

He proudly said ATF uses them lmfao

[@2aTommy]

@@StarryNightMachinima I’m sure they’re super happy about them selling them to the public now

[@gripz9387]

@@2aTommyL

[@fire_tower]

​@@StarryNightMachinimaATF probably bought one to add to their museum. They've got tons of guns (that they acquired under circumstances).

[@alexmaurice4274]

He said special forces dude whattt🤣 I like it’s a product that will give the atf a headache but beyond that it’s a fkn joke

[@fixedG]

That's certainly a new take: how can it be considered a gun part if it cannot be attached to any gun. I want one just to support a company trying to cuck the ATF, although I think their claims of putting these things in the hands of numerous government agents in the very next breath seem suspicious and odd.

[@hiya_how_areya6436]

For that price? They've definitely been selling to the government. They're the only ones who'd pay that much

[@dmk0210]

Look up shoelace machine gun

[@kenhoward3512]

The company boss really, really, REALLY didn't want to state the price for this piece of plastic. That "$129" will certainly come down, if this idea catches on with other developers (corporate or individual).

[@3cressidas]

A buddy of mine bought his 'not a stock' at a show earlier this year for only $50, and after looking at the, thought that was way too much.

[@Tupadre762]

Lol he kept dancing around the subject 😂

[@edgarburlyman738]

We can just 3d print any such plastic gizmos these days

[@brendanr1525]

@@edgarburlyman738 _if_ you have a 3D printer and can 3d model...

[@Nuthing_but_the_Truth]

That was the one of the worst salesmanship jobs I have ever seen.

[@joecitizen6046]

Eleven days ago I ordered and haven't heard a peep from them yet. And I'm from Idaho, just a few miles away from these guys.

[@platoplombo15]

I see two dollars worth of PVC pipe, a table saw and a heat gun in my future.

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

I have a .300blk single shot pistol that I would like to make into an SBR but I am unwilling to pay extortion fees to do so.

[@3blkst]

Sheets of kydex are cheap🤔

[@mtnbkr5478]

This is about $5 worth of printer filament.

[@stewmoyer8922]

There was a guy who made one of these years ago out of wood, I believe he was living in a remote part of Alaska. He sent a note to the ATF and they determined at the time that his "brace" was not a stock. Just a piece of wood that he rested the pistol on. I think he was on Glocktalk or one of those forums. Interesting to see it as a legit product now!

[@sahzookey]

Kind of cool. I dont believe any secret service uses this though. They dont have to play by our laws.

[@Paelorian]

There may be a practical advantage here for concealed carry due to the quick attack and detach, faster than any stock. There are some quick attaching handgun stocks, but they usually involve sliding small parts together, which is slower than this. If it works as promised, I can see it's application for Secret Service in quickly deploying for supported shots.

[@ja0298]

It was probably tested by one agent for giggles that works at a desk.

[@Paelorian]

This is good for using their standard issue handguns, but if I were unconstrained by budget I might go with a B&T USW or TP9, the stocks on which would deploy even faster because they stay attached. But those guns with folding stocks attached are significantly larger and so much harder to conceal. Same with other PDWs like the H&K MP7 and classic stocked Mini-Uzi. With this new thing, you holster your handgun without modifications, and you've got this in a pocket to quickly use when needed for more accurate shooting. So it's easy to incorporate without modifications to weapons, holsters, and gear. I doubt this is the new norm, but we haven't seen it working yet. It's worth a shot. I could see it actually having some efficacy in an executive protection role, and am not surprised the Secret Service might test it. Sometimes agents are only armed with handguns, but they still need to be able to make precise shots among crowds. I wouldn't exactly say I'm optimistic, but I'm interested in seeing how it's received when people start buying it. Just because it's new and unusual doesn't mean it's useless, and I'm happy to see attempts at innovation. I hope that it's actually useful and if so will become successful.

[@Skeletomania]

​@@Paelorianbut why this and not something like a b&t usw or other chassis system.

[@chrisclark6161]

​@@ja0298it's the same energy as all the companies claiming their products are used by special forces, when in reality one dude who's email was sealteam69 ordered one of them.

[@vince1376]

while there's no way i would ever purchase or use thing like this, I do love how the private sector keeps innovating things like this

[@connerbv1209]

Really got my eyes rolling when he started talking about the law enforcement agencies🙄

[@762x69]

Made me pause and wait for a mention of a AFT letter of approval. Nope.. No buy

[@lewiswetzel8617]

Wow. So impressed!!! They sell to the Cheka and brag about it. I have respect for people who don't sell to cops and military.

[@andrewromig9753]

I have no doubt what actually happened was he sent them some for free and they didn't spit in his face, so now they're "in use" by XYZ agency. "We protect governors and presidents". Give me a break. James practically had to twist his arm twice to bring him back to reality.

[@MellowFellowOfYellow]

Lol mentioning the CIA is also wild.

[@dkeith45]

I bought one. Fits every pistol I've tried it with, even a Heritage .22 revolver. Cool device. Wish it was adjustable for length though, a couple extra inches longer would be nice.

[@sjagain]

That's what she said!

[@Zundfolge]

Nifty. But pay cash and buy it in person ... preferably while wearing an N95. Or just print your own. (I'm sorry but $130 for a simple piece of plastic is a bit steep)

[@erroneous6947]

Like you said the risk of being on an atf (already technically a felon) list is no bueno.

[@McNamEvan]

The price tag is to cover their future legal battle.

[@rekerboi1125]

Not at all steep. Molds are expensive to make. It's a good price for a good product, keep in mind they also need to make some profit. If they sold them for the $5 worth of injection molded polymer they wouldn't be making money. Holy shit you people are fucking cheap.

[@tortol4847]

I'd be nervous buying any kind of sketchy item even if it's in cash. I was at a gun show a couple weeks ago and there was a guy selling "solvent traps". I thought they were suppressors until I flipped one over and it had no hole. My first thought was to look at him because I thought to myself "this guy is definitely a cop". He definitely had the look. I just told him not interested and walked away.

[@chaimafaghet7343]

PVC pipe is easy to heat form. 3D printing has its place but people with an allergy to tools really overuse it.

[@theprofessional155]

The way your talking at the start to avoid legal trouble is how ridiculous the ATF’s rules are.

[@survivalhax6594]

Hey didn't know you were a gun nut I thought you loved in GTA lol

[@survivalhax6594]

Hey you're a gun nut too I thought you just lived in GTA lol

[@bat2293]

I think the ATF would argue that the fact it is not permanently attached is irrelevant. It is ment to be used as a stock. It is advertised as a stock. It functions as a stock. When used with a pistol, it effectvely makes the pistol a SBR _while it is being used_ .

[@Merril_39]

No other use

[@c0c0asauce]

I see your point and I agree that the ATF would probably press charges but I doubt they are going door to door for people who considered buying one like certian other accessories.

[@MichaelTuttle-n5v]

Just trolling the atf and they’re nonsense rules😁. Need more companies to do this until the atf gets overwhelmed and stops trying to overstep.

[@c0c0asauce]

@@MichaelTuttle-n5v They will just ask for more budget.

[@disillusioned070]

@@Merril_39 two other uses I can think of right in the moment are cameras with long lenses and spotting scopes or long range magnifiers of some sort. Honestly while I'm typing this I think I've seen something similar used with cameras.

[@NipplesOfDoom]

They gave me two of them at the con, i'm still not sold on it, but its an interesting concept. Would i pay 120 bones for one? Nah, probably not. After putting some time behind it at range day I can see its applications, granted extremely limited.

[@AlexHand]

I've been wondering when someone would do this for the Shockwave with that pistol grip. It's great, but it's still a single piece of injection molded plastic for $125.

[@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429]

Fwiw plastic molds are expensive. A mold of that size would cost about $30,000 not including prototype molds.

[@m.w.2401]

Just put a stock on it mossberg 500 stocks are not hard to find.

[@AlexHand]

@@m.w.2401 I don't want to be on ATF file with something I have to legally get permission to drive from Texas to New Mexico.

[@kurtisskoog5874]

I’m going to assume they sent a whole bunch of these things free to Federal and State police agencies for ‘test and evaluation’ for the company to make the claims they did. How many officers are going to want and pack around yet another item on their load bearing vest?

[@FirstLineOfDefense]

They said in the video that the government already has and uses these.

[@funkla65]

True, it doesn't actually attach to the gun. Even so, I'd advise anyone to keep it out of the vicinity of any velcro strips, duct tape, etc and make sure it's never found with any sticky residue or staple holes, etc on it.

[@762x69]

True. Intent and all that stuff which makes you look loke a filthy thinking felon that actually doesn't spend leisure time at the local MLK street 🍵🫖

[@flyingninja1234]

On an unrelated note, cinder blocks are surprisingly fragile. This piece of plastic is a stroke of genius.

[@theodoreheintz7891]

I believe these guys used to be called One-Shot USA and they've been around for almost a decade now. Several years ago while passing through Reno I met the guys from one shot USA and tried that out and it was good and worked well. I think the most interesting version that one shot USA had was one that held an Apple iPad. It was actually seriously cool.

[@MrMagnaniman]

Apple products instantly cancel out the coolness of anything they touch, though.

[@yupyup4209]

What was the purpose of it being able to have an iPad?

[@theodoreheintz7891]

@@yupyup4209 it was for law enforcement they could write traffic tickets or access their computer system and theoretically you can put some sort of ballistic backing on it too.

[@tenchraven]

Yeah, it's One-shot USA

[@JohnDoeTheTroll]

There was an episode of The Rifleman where Chuck Connors used a board in a similar fashion on a pistol to shoot a "bad guy" at a distance. I've done similar when plinking and wanting to make a longer shot with a pistol. I wish I'd thought of bringing something like this to market, but I wouldn't be greedy enough to ask for $129 for a piece of plastic!!

[@life_of_riley88]

The Rifleman! Bu-bah-da-dum-bu-bah! Love that show, so wholesome.

[@thewhitematstudio]

Pretty effective. Tried it out at an event over the weekend.

[@TheLTCtrainer]

There was something like this years ago for the Ruger MK pistols. Same philosophy, fits against the back of the grip, held in place when you grip gun, made of some kind of thick wire. ATF said it made the gun an SBR & that was the end of them.

[@highdesertdrew1844]

I remember like 20 years ago when the kids were making "bump sticks" which was pretty much this, except allowed you to bumpfire a pistol with relative ease, even if early versions of the contraption made you worry if things were going to break the 180. It's a neat product, but given the regulatory climate, I'm not buying it for $100+, and I'm not buying it online.

[@KevinHuff23]

God made belt loops to bump fire

[@highdesertdrew1844]

@@KevinHuff23 great for rifles, awkward for pistols.

[@Arcain321]

I whole heartedly approve of any company that creates more headaches for the atf. Now if they halved the cost I’d be on board for the novelty alone

[@bobandy5515]

The germans have exactly the same thing for glocks. You can get them in the USA through various retailers. 100% considered an NFA item even though the handgun just slips into a groove, not sure how this is different.

[@evanf1443]

No groove I think. There’s no “attachment” at all, you’re holding them together within your hand. I think that’s the distinction that’s being made here

[@m.w.2401]

Or you could just put a stock on there like a free American without nfa BS.

[@christophertaylor4722]

I got mine last month. This is my second one. My other is the second interation. I'm very happy my first one. I've shot several different guns using the older version. I'll have to do an unboxing and range video.

[@prototype3a]

This guy seems to be very proud of arming the enemy with these.

[@John_Redcorn_]

When he started rattling off all the alphabet agencies the hobo haircut started to make sense

[@fomocore]

The only way small-business exist in a fascist country is suck the government tit for work

[@bobbertbobberson6725]

As if the alphabet agencies don't already have all the sbr's and machine guns they want?

[@platapus112]

They always are.

[@MrFlathead45]

​@@John_Redcorn_toupee...

[@sectorseven07]

"It's been in Special Forces since 2017." This dude has been watching too many Facebook recommended gear ads. I.E no the fuck it hasn't

[@grits_taste_good415]

Now that a well-known dude has covered this, I hope Brass Facts reviews this

[@texas66]

Shot with one with a Glock at Gunstock Texas, it does work as advertised! I would have a couple at $50 each but it's a hard pass at $130....

[@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073]

well, I'm pretty sure the wordage does say attached to the gun. so, if you just so happen to hold two things in your hand it should be fine. but then the ATF also like to say "intent matters" so who really knows.

[@iant2064]

That cutout at the top that lets the slide cycle sure looks like it would be a nice place to put the buffer tube on an AR pistol.

[@watariovids1645]

I feel like they would probably make more money if they lowered the price a bit so that was in the "impulse" buy range. Maybe their fixed costs for getting the production setup were very high or something but I can't imagine the per unit cost is much.

[@walkingwolf8072]

Make as much as possible before the ATF rule that bans it for common people. To be clear, or ATF to be clear has already determined that once you use a pistol as a rifle it is now a short barreled rifle. While a pistol can be made into a rifle, a rifle cannot be made into a legal pistol.

[@me323me]

Is it even made in the USA to slightly justify the price more?

[@MrZgui415]

I was thinking $99 but for a limited time ... 79.99 then i'll be like okay

[@kalashnikovbob355]

That only applies to something originally manufactured as a rifle. A handgun can be configured as a rifle and then back to a handgun.@@walkingwolf8072

[@762x69]

@@MrZgui415i had that in mind too. Kinda weird they didn't even do a promo code but between the last guy speaking and the website itself I think it's all a bit too sketch to make an online purchase at this time..

[@Cheezeball99999]

I actually really want to see all of the stuff they declare illegal, in order to attack this one particular product. Because it's going to be really, really hard to define this without making half of the stuff in one's house a felony to possess.

[@fire_tower]

If there's one thing I love it's novel legal arguments. Edit: you know what it does have the advantage of being less intrusive than all other options on the market when not in use.

[@Paelorian]

Very interesting concept for quickly stabilizing a handgun. Faster than attaching a stock, and the design is quite concealable. I look forward to the reviews.

[@920utdoor]

Nah this is the dumbest thing ever. Granted I love companies peeing in the ATFs cheerios, but this is dumb and silly compared to a flux raider or a proper glock chassis.

[@PoormansMachineGun]

"ATF has no jurisdiction!" Once upon a time a little company called Rare Breed Triggers LLC brought a product to market under the same belief.

[@austinleal9470]

well, look where we stand currently...

[@PewLand]

Who needs an mp7 or p90 when you could tuck this bad boy under your coat and hold it to your glock. The secret service only gets the best 😂

[@theiviachine]

Velcro it to your shirt 😂. Dude wack

[@RyeOnHam]

Wait, so if I take the lever and pin out of my bump stock so it just slides right off the rear, does that mean it doesn't attach and I'm good?

[@ColeDedhand]

Next month this will be ruled a short-barrel machinegun destructive device.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Don't forget the "Insurrection" it caused!

[@joecitizen6046]

For my job, I sit all day. I've been looking for a cool gadget to extend the height the armrest on my chair. Just put a little padding on the top and it makes it to where I don't have to lean over as far to lean on my forearm. Love it. I ordered one just an hour ago. I'll let you know how long it takes to get it shipped.

[@joecitizen6046]

They may be back-logged. I ordered four days ago and haven't heard anything about shipping label created or anything regarding shipping.

[@Corbett-CM]

For a fun exercise: Watch James' facial expression as the sales rep starts listing the agencies "currently using" this product.

[@762x69]

That was the face of, I just asked you a simple question why are you embellishing....😅God I do that so much

[@joshuamoore91]

Omfg I didn't see it the first time. And his pause followed by.... oookay...

[@alexmaurice4274]

The “ok” after he said it protects presidents 🤣🤣 I can’t possibly fathom them using this mayyybe but idk like I see the use-which at least makes a litttle sense but why not use a pistol chassis? Or just don’t bother with this and just use the pistol? Idk seems more like a gimmick.

[@juancortez4726]

love your new channel, thank you for what you do brother! you keeping us informed, inspired and motivated to keep our guns on us!! Thank you!

[@jeremiahcherry5283]

This concept has been around. People mocked it before then it was forgotten..

[@ryderczarnecki-es2go]

Yup Lucas McCain did one in the rifle man.

[@disillusioned070]

Who did this guy think James is?? Holy crap he went right for the BIG sale at $2,000 a pop and just about got me to spit coffee all over my phone. Even $129 is steep. I was thinking anywhere from $30 to $50 with today's inflation prices but not in the $100's. That's just crazy. I'll catch them on clearance in six months.

[@marybaxter2559]

If ATF had there way, they would want to ban/regulate/tax non-dominant hands.... "YOU CAN'T USE TWO HANDS FOR A HANDGUN!!!"

[@linkinblack371]

Assault grip is already banned check your laws. Two handed pistol shooting is a big no no

[@Zundfolge]

They already tried to claim that shouldering a braced pistol was "manufacturing an unregistered SBR".

[@johnw4999]

If they had their way, we wouldn’t own firearms - period.

[@Abattoir667]

@@linkinblack371you only shoot a pistol with one hand?

[@linkinblack371]

@@Abattoir667 one handed can hit a squirrel at 500 yds every time...

[@SwordFighterPKN]

$129??? Yeah this is cool but come on, that's a crazy price.

[@montyp2000]

Seriously... I was thinking $50. There's no way that costs more than a few bucks to make. At $50 you'll sell 10x more and recoup the cost of the tooling in no time.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

3d printer worthy for sure though.

[@jart83]

Hence why he avoided the question twice.

[@762x69]

@@jart83it probably would've been taken easier if he wasn't so dodgy about it. Just say 129 but it was 99 if you pre-ordered a month ago. That would've tempered things I think..

[@alexmaurice4274]

No no no guys the cia uses this it’s definitely worth that money and he doesn’t come off as a scam artist at all.

[@williammcgill1562]

I can see the SS and SF using this. First it is very light and thin. Much lighter than a stock or brace. Very easy to put under coat or attach to work vest with strap or Velcro. Would be great for SS/SF use of control for full auto pistol.

[@brandiwynter]

Why would federal agencies use this thing if they can carry whatever NFA item they want? I don't see the advantage to a non attached pistol brace over a PDW . As a former LEO I don't see the advantage over carrying an MP7 or even an UZI if you're old school secret service. Educate me.

[@USAFraimius]

Because they don't...? If you can buy SMGs and PDWs, this doesn't make sense. I doubt any agency actually uses this. The company MIGHT have sent them a sample for testing, and now claims it is "used by ___."

[@SuperTrb0]

$129 for a piece of plastic. 😂 Nope. 3D printer go brrrrrrrrrr

[@larryw5429]

This seems more like a 39.95 mothers day gift/ hey guys check this out when you're at the range item!

[@amsb4dafunk558]

Kydex Sheets PVC Pipe Heat Gun Epoxy Looks like a fun project for the kids this weekend.

[@MM-op6ti]

Got to meet James at triggercon and it’s no filter folks, he really does look that good 😂

[@quacky8791]

You have to take this to the range !!!!

[@NK-rs2jp]

Uhhhhhh.......well $129 is gonna be a deal breaker for me but I applaud the ingenuity on this. But meanwhile back at the ATF they are going to figure out a way that this is not legal and they don't seem to have gone through the ATF for a letter. This is gonna be fun.

[@Winters506]

Absolutely. They have a $50 dollar or less gimmicky piece of plastic on their hands.

[@0v417]

“you’re not bullshitting me?” james asks right before getting bullshitted again🤣

[@larrycraigrox]

That booth seems to have a glow to it

[@FlatEarthIsTrueEarth]

ATF now: Oh cool interesting design pretty innovative and not dangerous. ATF in 3 months: Prison 😡

[@heyhayhay247]

I mean I can definitely see it working, but without handling it, it's hard to say if it would be easy to handle effectively.

[@yourlocaltoad5102]

This is just a copy of the Bubits brace which has been on the market for quite some time now. I have shot a Glock with the Bubits brace and it does make it easier to stay on target, but using it outside of a range setting would require some training to ensure that you get used to handling and moving the gun with the added length of the brace at the back.

[@kurtbaier6122]

I got the prior model. It performs. It’s quick, stabile, once your grip is established and it is shouldered, and accurate. Going from handgun to carbine is so unbelievably quick. Fits easily in a back pack or messenger bag or brief case and is very lightweight.

[@nickoloes]

Once upon a time there was this glove (which didnt attach to the gun obviously) that when you pressed a button turned an electric motor that would push the trigger very fast. As you could imagine, ATF called it a machine gun... good luck to oneshot and hope it turns out for them

[@j.j.123]

Sorry but I"m skeptical that any government agency uses this device, really makes no sense that the government wouldn't just use actual stocks on their pistols. Fab defense has been making glock stocks for ages now and other companies are making chassis systems with real stocks for the p320. It's not like the government has to pay a nfa tax stamp for an sbr.

[@Boatright]

That would work really well with the zeroing of an optic on a pistol. Too bad it is so damned expensive.

[@colewhite8006]

The ATF having no jurisdiction has never stopped them even once.

[@jeffhays1968]

There has got to be a 3-D printing file on this already.

[@jeffsorrows]

somebody get PSR on this!

[@jeffhays1968]

@@jeffsorrows Pretty sure he's too busy trying to copy Hoffman's Super Safety, LOL

[@jeffsorrows]

@jeffhays1968 god my guns need one of those, would feel a lot safer with one!

[@EODFish]

I don’t know if I have suspected someone’s claims as strongly since that company tried to bring back muskets as a way around SBR rules.

[@Terran994]

A nice big middle finger to the ATF. It doesn't attach to the gun, and it looks like there's no way to permanently attack it short of superglue lol. Course the ATF did try to argue a shoe string was a machine gun, so.....

[@videosbyvick2754]

When’s the $29.95 Chinese version coming out?

[@gbgary]

looking forward to your review of this...thing.

[@jonalms]

Insane to pay 130 for a piece of plastic. Maybe 15 bucks at the most

[@latinojackson9694]

That guy was really trying to stall saying how overpriced this thing is...

[@fffiilpsnamecaps9004]

Love the concept, love the energy, I want one - but for that price I'll stick with the cutting board, thanks

[@youren8]

Unfortunately, it is only a matter of time before the legislative wing of the Executive Branch at ATF makes a rule about this. Doesn't matter what the law says. ATF is the law. The USC is only a suggestion for the Administrative state.

[@AmbuBadger]

One Shot Systems: "It never attaches, it's legal!" ATF: _ALL PILLOWS MUST BE REGISTERED AS SUPPRESSORS AND WILL REQUIRE A STAMP FOR PURCHASE_

[@solomongrundy9735]

No way i would order it online given the AFT's history.

[@erroneous6947]

Exactly.

[@RyeOnHam]

Reminds me of a bump stick. Look it up. Not sure the ATF will spare your dog, your son, or your wife, but you'll probably win your first or second appeal and only spend 3-5 years in jail!

[@frostriver4547]

I wonder if this would work on an unbraced pistol caliber carbine

[@chaburchak]

I had been wondering why someone didn't try something like this. Nice to know others were thinking the same thing...

[@rldowns3]

Give the ATF about a week and I am sure they will think of something to harass people about over this product.

[@davidbliss8352]

Such a simple solution. Brilliant. Why didn’t anyone think of this till now?

[@Zantar45]

I remember those cokeheads trying to sell a similar product a year or two ago for like $200-$300 Cant say I'm surprised they swindled a few grand out of the Cops and Feds for that thing with a camera glued to it.

[@TheAtroShow]

yep they look like they are on some for sure. esp with her jaw clenching so much

[@jamespilbeam209]

Oh! My God! A Short Barreled Rifle!! Aren't those more deadly than a regular rifle!?! And they're capable of firing a 30 clip magazine at 2,000 bullets a second!?! Geeze!!

[@tinglemccringleberry8899]

Yeah if I’m secret service I want one of these over an mp7😂😂😂

[@luisc3682]

This just tells me one thing: We need to cut the government budget ASAP.