A Nuanced Conversation on H3 and Public Perception

[@pinguufuuuu]

former h3 viewer, praying for you girl. there's not a lot of big creators that are talking about him and i hope this doesn't discourage you from speaking your truth.

[@Squirrel_Kid]

I'm a huge h3, still. I do however understand how shitty ethan has been. I appreciate these videos. Thank you. Don't stop!

[@harrietxo2310]

Bad empanada. A lot of backlash is false on him

[@23TSF17NW]

So many big youtubers have made vids of Ethan what?

[@PoopHobbit]

@@harrietxo2310 are you saying BE is saying falsehoods or that there are falsehoods about BE?

[@pinguufuuuu]

@@23TSF17NWliterally none on the same level of ethan, besides keem, adam, and paige christie. and 2 of these aren't completely on the same level. a bunch of smaller creators have made videos yes but they get attacked instantly.

[@daehwii]

@37:21 “Ethan requests nuance for his takes but asserts his own opinions on others’” The way you were able to verbalize this frustration for me!!!

[@atlys258]

I haven't made it that far yet but I'm glad to know she makes that point because it's so true, and it's excruciatingly frustrating.

[@kelsie2118]

isn’t his whole job to assert his opinion on others? like that’s kinda the point of a podcast

[@young_black_economist]

Ethan, antiblack racist. Hasan, antiblack racist, Lonerbox, extreme antiblack racist and always gets black history wrong. I don’t listen to any white racists, they’re all doofuses.

[@daehwii]

@kelsie2118 The criticism lies more in the way that expects others to engage in the nuances of his own takes while he’s unwilling to engage in the nuances of theirs. Not in the fact that he has an opinion lol. Hence hummusgate. The way that he seems to (imo) intentionally misconstrue others’ points and (imo) stubbornly refuses to acknowledge their nuances has been frustrating to me recently.

[@kelsie2118]

@@daehwii the thing about youtube and social media is you can literally block creators you don’t agree with, or at the minimum, not subscribe. hope this helps!

[@PaigeChristieUK]

Seated.

[@oh_riley7104]

the only crossover I've ever needed!

[@seliisnotonfire]

ariana what are you doing hereeee

[@treemarie3080]

OOP 👀

[@ElvishPrinceling]

Oh dang, Paige is in the audience; banger crossover energyyy

[@sunnytata1401]

Paige is the reason I stopped watching h3, not surprise to see her here😂

[@ElvishPrinceling]

Damn, Ethan Klein sure hates Jews for a guy who screeches antisemitism at everything that moves :| And yes, I'm Jewish, but I full-heartedly support Palestine; never again means for anyone, not just Jews. Thank you for doing this Mika, you're a brave one, and it's appreciated

[@fairesmashysmash]

Zionists hate Jews the way TERFs hate women.

[@sashie253]

Never again means for anyone✨✨✨

[@roxanne-91]

I believe in being devistated for palestine AND the innocent isralies and jews who have been forced into this war. SO many of them are horrified by what their government is doing.

[@cocomayaki]

Polish here with the Jewish blood but no culture cause my family was still scared of being Jewish in Poland - I am too 🍉🍉🍉🍉 because NEVER AGAIN is for the all people. I think the last time I saw h3 content not from others commentary and clips from Eathan spiralling it was the show with Hasan. I remember when Eathan didn't belive in 🍇 allegations from Israeli prisons and I was like... ok he is to far gone he just pretends to feel bad about Palestine ppl

[@Theemackxo]

As a Jewish person who supports Palestine when did u start? I always heard about the conflict but I never really understood until last year. I’m v curious on ur take bc where I live is v Jewish and Italian and like 80% of my moms clients are Jewish and it took her a few mths into 2024 to recognize it truly is a genocide on her own. She’s a VERY understanding liberal person so that was very hard for me to understand why she thought that but it was her proximity.

[@grillsgrillsgrills]

Thank you! I get so tired of ppl tiptoeing around it. Frankly, the worst kind of bigotry that's likely to happen to someone like Ethan is that someone says something offensive to him--meanwhile, I'm Lebanese and my house got bombed, my family is trying to flee, and in the US people have tried to get me fired and threatened me with physical violence!

[@untalented7880]

Im so sorry that happened to you.

[@cory.doras69]

much love to you, your family, Lebanon, and Palestine!

[@AleksandarBell]

It’s insane! He’s been consistently insane about everything that’s going on, but he’s also been insane about so much for so long it’s crazy nobody calls him out

[@kirikirikiri99]

sending love and solidarity from the American South!

[@banafanafofana6914]

🫂

[@gcldberry]

Joji's reaction never fails to make me laugh. Making Filthy Frank wince and cringe is wild.

[@nikonradish]

I honestly think about that clip sometimes bc I LOVE his face there lol, very fitting

[@littletrebleclef]

Joji was playing a character Ethan was just playing himself

[@biteofdog]

In 2001 I was 18 years old and I was worried that something bad would happen to my friends after 9/11. My friends in high school were Indian, Pakistani, Afghani decent and people would glare or yell at them because they assumed that they were Muslim. To hear Ethan be dismissive of islamaphobia is insane, it definitely is more openly socially acceptable.

[@Theemackxo]

Oh absolutely as someone who was born in 2001 in ny growing up not having any knowledge or real information on Islam so I just thought that Islam = bad they way gay= bad I never thot of them as terrorist tho j like controlling and misogynistic . Obvi I learned and I was literally like 6 when I was taught better but no one ever really talked abt it in my house and I went to school w yt ppl so I deff didn’t understand but when I’d look back it made/ makes me so sad that American successful indoctrinated so many people into thinking a whole religion is bad. AND that america was great fair and beautiful even tho I was literally tormented for being black. Thank god I realized by 8 organized religion as a whole is a sham and that a lot of bad people are in all religions and bad people use religion as a justification. Thank god for being a child of the Information Age bc it opened my mind to being accepting of everyone and that the world is an evil hateful place and I should judge people based on their character more than anything else. They always teach us treat others how u want to be treated but Half my family is racist/homophobic the lot and the other half is tolerating and it’s been a struggle for forever(men vs women). I hate that it was overwhelmingly normal to marry and procreate w ppl w opposing moral views cuz I will never do that it’s so weird to grow up in.

[@liatdurante1037]

Girl how u not get cringed by Adam McIntyre

[@c.a1019]

lol you are a Hasan fan, he thinks 9/11 was great

[@AllegedlyAngelo]

Clicked so fast, I almost broke a nail.

[@MikasRhetoric]

I’m so nervous it’s actually ridiculous

[@Cringecomments771]

Just clicked on this video, and I immediately want to say that you’re showing a lot of courage just speaking about H3 bc his fans are nuts! (And so is Ethan about anyone who speaks about him in general…) I have no idea what you’ll say of course, but I’m proud of you in a very parasocial way ❤️ don’t ever let internet goblins keep you from making the videos you want to make!

[@paige5572]

plz i'm the hugest h3 fan and i hate all the fandom ur talking about . i wish us normie h3 ppl got more representation

[@bbmcofsky1073]

I've been watching h3 since 2016 and I fucking hate how ethan can't take any fair or reasonable criticism without strawmanning. If he saw this comment he'd probably label me a fallen fan or something much worse but I still watch almost every show. But sometimes him and the crew seem so out of touch and sycophantic.

[@Cringecomments771]

@@paige5572Ethan is exactly like the worst of his fans

[@Cringecomments771]

@@bbmcofsky1073yeah it’s painful… genuinely curious on how/why you or anyone else can still watch it

[@dreamie9868]

@@paige5572did you enjoy todays episode where him and his fans were making fun of a young guy’s chronic illness as he was in the hospital and asked not to be talked about? Ethan is the absolute worst.

[@bugbug75]

Forever grateful for your realistic takes on social media and having a 'real people' job

[@solarmoth4628]

Keeping your “real life” and career you’re priority is totally understandable. Especially that the reason you’re doing it is because you want to positively impact your future students.

[@bopshi]

Former H3 watcher, the algorithm suggested you to me. Thank you for speaking out ❤ Everything is going to be okay!

[@martymcflown3707]

"I always know I'm right when I have the opposite opinion to Nicholas DeOrio" GIRL YES I'm clapping

[@chatoyantsfriend]

YES 🙌

[@ScarfaceHU]

It’s so funny knowing that Ethan apparently loves Nicholas DeOrio BECAUSE he defends Ethan.

[@deeraredear]

my mom is an elementary school teacher in the us and i hate so much how teachers aren't allowed to be people

[@kirbysthiccthighs]

fr!!! teachers shouldn’t have their personal lives limited because of their job. they should be allowed to speak their mind outside of the classroom, because that’s outside the classroom. it’s something that’s always infuriated me.

[@f4iryjojo]

yes it's incredibly unfortunate, a distant relative of mine was a high school teacher in the south and she wasn't allowed to drink publicly or use her real name on her facebook account due to the repercussions she could face - she is no longer a teacher

[@miminaomi-jg8ey]

And the pay and work seems horrible for teachers in America. Wdym you have to buy things for your classroom as a teacher? That's insane

[@roseaAlisu2000]

I used to really like H3 for reasons I can’t fully recall. As a Jewish person, though, I always found Ethan’s tendency to label everything as antisemitism a bit off-putting. While antisemitism is undoubtedly a serious issue, it felt like he often weaponized it as a defense mechanism. Their comments about the genocide of Palestinians were the last straw for me, and I unsubscribed. In this house, we stand with Palestine.

[@ShaynasPlants]

Just curious, what comment exactly in quotes please, was the breaking point for you?

[@michaelakatherine2431]

For me it was the amount of time hating pro Palestine streamer and ex friend vs hating the genocide. It wasn’t what he said per say, but what he spent his time on the show talking about.

[@SeamusLeGris]

​@@michaelakatherine2431well said

[@roseaAlisu2000]

@ I’m not going to quote them directly or look up the exact videos where they discussed this-I stopped watching over a year ago-but I’ll try to give you a comprehensive answer. Hila has denied that the IDF commits acts of terror or kills Palestinians daily. I believe it was Ethan who referred to Ramallah, a city in the West Bank, as a “terrorist city.” Then there’s Hila’s comment about a former Israeli Defense Minister, whom she called a “good guy.” In general, whenever the topic of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict comes up, their reactions leave a bad taste in my mouth.

[@roseaAlisu2000]

@@michaelakatherine2431 I stopped watching before he started hating on those streamers-or at least I don’t remember seeing that. But I agree with you; it wasn’t so much what he said but the way he handled the whole situation.

[@sylviafrida819]

I'm Jewish and I'd like to thank you for this video. This conversation is so so hard, since nuance seems to be rare these days. Most people around me (both right and left wing) don't seem to understand that two things can be true at once: what is happening in Palestine is a war crime, but this situation also enabled a lot of people to show their antisemitism. You're the first creator that I saw approaching this topic with respect and responsibility. Made me feel safer and more hopeful, even if it's just for a while. So, thank you.

[@Elyakins]

Man, I came to America in 2004, New York. Yeah... Not a pleasant time to be a Muslim in America. I was terrified. I'm a Muslim from Eastern Europe, I'm a part of an ethnic minority group, but by American standards, I'm white. There was police by the Mousqe 24/7 and Muslim boys of all ages would get stopped and frisked all the time for a long time.

[@Elyakins]

Sorry, I just wanted to come back and clarify a bit. Some people do not know how things work in other countries. I'm white by American standards because I have white skin and blue eyes. But in my home country, I am a part of an ethnic group that is 30% of all population. My birth certificate has my ethnic group written on it instead of it saying I'm a XX-ian. And the religion my family follows is not the main religion of the state. Just wanted to add this because in some countries, it doesn't really matter if you're "white" in a majority white country. Not trying to say anything by this, thought maybe some people might find this interesting. Learning about slavery definitely enlightened me about America. Thanks to my dual experience between my home country and the US, I definitely can attest that white privilege in America is very real 🤣

[@auroriangore]

@@Elyakinsthis is so insightful! thanks for sharing

[@ladybugspritz]

your makeup does not look like dookie! especially for makeup after a day of work. you look gorgeous and i’m very excited to hear what you’ve got to say

[@nullusernamex]

She's so pretty and smart!

[@schnitzelmegapixel]

youre so real and refreshing for keeping “real life” and career your priority. it makes me appreciate your takes and opinions more

[@zahirahdavis]

Thank you for covering us. I feel like a lot of H3 fans won’t acknowledge the blatant Islamophobia that’s going on amongst the crew and on that channel and just the bigotry that he is spewing.

[@Dr.Kittysan]

There wasn't an example of an islamophobic joke coming from Ethan's side mentioned in this video, instead a distasteful joke from Bill Maher was. Or does your definition of islamophobia include disagreements towards any avid pro Hamas commentator?

[@zahirahdavis]

@ would you not qualify, calling someone who supports Palestine, a terrorist supporter, Islamicphobic, or blatant bigotry?

[@iamjanedoe4real]

@@Dr.Kittysanyour whole comment it's just self report

[@LeonoraIrwin]

Something that really made me pause was seeing how he would react to white/non-muslim creators saying the exact same thing as Muslim creators in such an extreme way. For example, Sam Seder said on his show that any consideration of Hasan Piker as supporting terrorism/anti-semitism was slander & inappropriate. Ethan then got a screenshot of Sam saying the same thing in his members’ chat- and reposted it on the infamous instagram stories with “this is definitely a low ranking staff member who stole Sam’s log in, I really doubt Sam believes that.” Or Emma then explaining her viewpoint on the backlash of Hasan & interviewing the teenage Yemeni kid and various other anti-Palestine talking points- being even more direct than Hasan had been- and Ethan shared that the only reason that Emma defended or agreed with Hasan is because “she just doesn’t know that he is a rape apologist & defender” in regards to his statements on October 7 (that is, that sexual abuse likely did happen as it is common in these scenarios and is inexcusable, but the mass systemic rape was atrocity propaganda based on the blocks the state placed on investigations, and even if it was mass systemic rape that doesn’t justify genocide, hardly radical.) Frogan says the same thing as any white creator on the left, it’s an attack on a monstrous figure, but when the white person says it he is instantly approaching it in good faith. I also had an extremely difficult time with his whole “integretation is impossible because Palestinians are radicalised to kill all Jews there” as it’s just colonial propaganda that it is indistinguishable from those who supported past apartheids or even american slavery (Thomas Jeffersons’ famous ‘slavery is a horrific act of violence but they cannot be released and must be allowed because the black slaves will kill all white people if we allowed integration’)

[@TheSightOfTheStars]

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[@mae6125]

This take is so good and coming from a very informed place, thank you for sharing it.

[@DoctorQcumber]

Great point. Wish it would make him pause. It's just sad to see

[@SirButtface3000]

how is showing literal terrorist propaganda on stream not supporting terrorism? are you serious?

[@finallyforfeited]

Can't believe you're not at 100k esp with all these looks you're giving

[@lulabell34]

Right?? I never miss a Mika video. It's actually shocking that she's not way bigger

[@candace3493]

Where there's a will there's a way. Tell everyone we know about this channel so she can get to 100K.

[@mudkipmillie5216]

Omg im scared for this video too girl 😭 praying 4 u as a former every episode of h3 viewer LOL

[@mudkipmillie5216]

Okay so im watching on 2x speed so forgive me if im missing something, but around 30-35 minutes I do have a *slight* disagreement here: I think that Ethan is wrong with a lotttt of things. That said, I do think a lot of people online are dismissing the idea that 1. Jewish people are facing an extremely overwhelming amount of antisemitism right now and 2. “Zionist” is, in many cases, being used as a slur. I have personally heard people I know in real life say antisemitic things in the past year, including one instance of a coworker saying she didn’t like Jews because they are all pro Israel. I obviously pushed back on this since I know Jewish people in real life who are *not* pro Israel, but the statement was said nonetheless. In another instance, I had a friend who I share a social circle with say that he didn’t like a particular girl from our high school because her “only personality trait was being jewish”. Again, I pushed back on this: what exactly is wrong with being interested in your religion and culture? I have also seen numerous antisemitic comments online that conflate Judaism with Zionism in a negative way: there was an advertisement I saw on tiktok for the Holocaust museum, that was a video of a woman describing her experiences in a concentration camp. The comments were flooded with political comments saying that the woman herself was somehow genocidal and a zionist, despite the content of the video having nothing to do with Israel at all. I think those types of comments are what people mean when they say that “zionist” is being utilized as a slur. It is specifically being used as a slur in the context of jewish people talking about their history when the people in question are actually NOT Zionists. Ethan, however, is not (in my opinion) helping fight this use of the word by constantly claiming that 90% of jews are zionists. Pointing out statistics such as that one are not going to help debunk the myth that judaism=zionism. And in FACT, prior to 2023, I was very aware of the conflict in Israel/Palestine and a major point that was emphasized within those movements was that “judaism does not equate to zionism”. It seems that both sides of the coin: antisemites as well as zionists, have reverted away from this rhetoric because it benefits them. Sorry for the incredibly long comment, I just think all of this is a conversation worth having.

[@mudkipmillie5216]

Oops the way you literally addressed it RIGHT after I stopped the video LOLLL

[@brianna058]

being a zionist is a BAD thing, therefore who cares if its being used as a slur. also, the problem is that ethan refuses to admit that israel is in the wrong. he makes a genocide about it. he victimizes himself. no one blamed jewish people for whats going on, we blame israeli people who dont call out their country.

[@N3mun3k0]

​@brianna058 hey, I'm not like a crazy h3 fan like apparently everyone thinks we are if we listen to h3. I know the man is flawed in many ways, but if you listened to literally any of the podcasts he says Isreal is in the wrong every time.

[@twinkletoes6290]

@@brianna058 wow, way to admit you go around embracing and saying slurs. That’s an interesting take, for sure.

[@greyvenz7242]

your point at the beginning about your digital footprint and your teaching career was very well said and honestly something i've been putting more thought into as i near the end of my degree

[@TheVivaciousNerd]

Can we please acknowledge that showing folks that video without consent is literally sexual harassment? He was sexually harassing his guests on camera, taking advantage of the fact they are primed to just “go with it” on the show.

[@knitwitchpgh]

And his employees. Lena and diamond immediately came to mind. He just lets people get harassed

[@maysun5638]

you sound very balanced. You are smart to prioritize your career. You are not weak for protecting yourself and work.

[@Thenewboidahlia]

1,000% respect the hell out of your disclaimer!

[@lilgolabki]

19:43 "Don't make me look at this by myself!" My brother in Christ, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WANTED TO PUT THE VIDEO ON.

[@TheVivaciousNerd]

Yeah wtf…. So so not okay, this is literally sexual harassment. Showing someone adult content without consent is not okay

[@r.a.43]

Just finished watching the video and wanted to say just how well you were able to put my frustrations into words. The part where you said how while there are negative stereotypes and mistreatment toward Jewish people in the West, it doesn't mean that there aren't any for Arabs was my favorite thing you said in the video!

[@frodog4086]

I literally got banned of the h3 subreddit for saying that I don't feel safe in the community anymore as an arab lol

[@daehwii]

as a Muslim viewer of yours and a loooooong time every-single-episode watching “fallen fan” (until, embarrassingly, very recently) THANK YOU GIRL

[@onetwo-lc2tb]

Fellow 'fallen fan' here, I stopped watching soon after the last Leftovers episode. You made a really good point about the cognitive dissonance you experience as an H3 viewer that I hadn't actually thought about. The number of things I personally excused or swept under the rug under the guise of him being 'edgy' or 'in goblin mode' is honestly embarrassing. And great job at being nuanced while also making your stance on the whole situation very clear. Amazing video. Keeping my fingers crossed for you 🥲🫶

[@TheVivaciousNerd]

23:22 I love how furious Sam looks here, like wtf is that reaction from everyone else

[@knitwitchpgh]

Not surprising she left.

[@miminaomi-jg8ey]

​@@knitwitchpghit's because her and Ian broke up

[@sashie253]

​@@miminaomi-jg8eythey probably broke up because she doesn't respect Ian for staying, it's pretty pointed that she left to go work for QT

[@miminaomi-jg8ey]

@@sashie253 how on earth would you know that? It's so parasocial and odd to make these types of assumptions about a relationship you know nothing about

[@namjoonie936]

@@miminaomi-jg8eytheir comment is not parasocial at all lol

[@choleymoley]

Dan’s my age (37ish) and he is the most left of the crew. I’m kinda sick of people equating youth and being chronically online to being a leftist. I would call Olivia socially sensitive. Which is a great thing, but a leftist does not make.

[@goldenshoes3]

Idk if you have seen any clips from the show recently but Dan has changed significantly he is yes-manning Ethan’s right wing takes now

[@goldenshoes3]

All though I see your point that youth doesn’t necessarily make someone more left leaning

[@namjoonie936]

@@goldenshoes3i definitely noticed that too, dan is weird now the whole crew is weird now. they created their own echo chamber

[@frigfrog3840]

Them laughing at the QTCinderella thing was despicable 🤬

[@sandedwood]

That one girl was MAD. I don't blame her Jesus Christ

[@friedbolognasandwich]

But don't forget even worse, laughing at Aaron Bushnell and students & protesters who show/showed solidarity with 🍉

[@EleanoRa99]

That was the beginning of the end for me :(

[@dreamie9868]

Just today they were laughing at Jake Dolittle and questioning whether or not he’s actually chronically ill. He was in the hospital and even asked Ethan not to talk about him. They didn’t listen.

[@LoryBelle]

@@dreamie9868Jake deserved every ounce of criticism he received. He is a massively manipulative crybaby who can’t seem to face the concequences of his own actions. The absolute entitlement to believe people shouldn’t talk about him threatening to blackmail other KZbinrs because, waah, he’s in the hospital getting knee surgery. Acting as if that’s a REASON he should be exempt from criticism is manipulative as hell. Also, isn’t it fair game to question the legitimacy of a chronic illness that isn’t medically recognized when Jake made an entire video last year questioning and invalidating Ethan’s yet-to-be-diagnosed health issues? Like damn, people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Feel however you feel about Ethan, but it’s kind of unhinged to be riding for Jake freakin Doolittle of all people. That dude seriously sucks.

[@marcusamirite]

The QT situation is something I hadn't seen before. That pissed me off so bad. It's uncomfortable seeing someone struggle with being exploited and they have the fucking balls to make a fucking joke about it. It's vile

[@cocomayaki]

I was just thinking about it few days ago if I remembered that he was joking about it or I am disremembering it but was scared to chacked it out so I'm glad that was reminded !

[@kewpiebby444]

i was literally just thinking why arent any commentators speaking on whats happening to h3 but youre right, its scary 😭

[@sponcela]

i had to blink 4 times to make sure i was reading the title correctly clicked so fast

[@Eszter.]

some of Zach’s girlfriends liked tweets were posted in the H3 discord by people asking for answers and clarity. The tweets were insanely islamophobic and anti the entire existence of Palestine. That’s all we need to know about Zach I think.

[@polxrize7576]

zach has always been a stain on their crew. even when i enjoyed the podcast zach creeped me out with his frat brother sense of humor and views on women. god. remember the belle delphine situation??

[@dreamie9868]

@@Eszter. yeah… he literally liked an ig post by Noah Tishby condemning the arrest warrant for Netenyahu. He’s a full blown Zionist.

[@sashie253]

​@@polxrize7576💯🎯

[@SummerGillen]

If you've ever heard him open his mouth, you can also learn everything you need. He's so weird.

[@LibertyIndiaRose]

I unfollowed Zach on Instagram after he liked something INSANE regarding the Israel Palestine conflict. Sadly I can’t remember exactly what it was, but it was enough to make me unfollow which says a lot.

[@eewahnah]

The Sam Seder gang rules, they're probably the most informed and the best platform for talking trans issues, they're like effortless allies though you can see the effort and care put into the interviews they conduct with trans writers and creators, so yeah team Seder

[@adriandaniels1]

I started disengaging from the H3 podcast once Left Overs discontinued.. I still watched (half heartedly) H3 podcast but a lot of it was background noise and there were things in the episodes I just didn't find interesting. Then one day I saw Ethan crash out on IG posting stories alluding that Hasan was a "far left extremist" ( because to Ethan, if you criticize Israel, you're far left and antisemetic), and regrets ever hosting someone like that on the show and wants to rectify his actions for ever having Hasan as a friend and co host. It was just ridiculous. Had to unfollow from everything since then.

[@CHiCguitar]

You said "almost at 50k" and I had nooo idea. I thought you had at least 250 or 300k. I didn't realize I'd been watching you for so long!!

[@unimpressed.gemini]

proud of you, ethan needs to be held accountable no matter how defensive he gets

[@omgitsazombielo]

Me in 2020: okay i guess I'll play you in the background while doing dishes Me now: 🎵NAYYYMES ON THE SCREEN🎵🎵

[@jayc7560]

The way Ethan talks about antisemitism reminds me of the way cis white gay men will post about homophobia. Like yeah sure it's an issue but it's not the only form of discrimination that matters, it's just it's the only one you know or care about because it's the one that affects you lol

[@michaelakatherine2431]

Yes exactly

[@namjoonie936]

i don’t really understand what your trying to say can you explain more? :)

[@jayc7560]

@namjoonie936 there's a trend where cis white men who are marginalized in some single other way (being gay for the people I'm using in the comparison, in Ethan's case being Jewish) will treat the oppression they face as uniquely more important or oppressive than forms they don't face. Ethan treating antisemitism as uniquely and singularly acceptable in society when that's objectively not true is reminiscent to me of the cis white men who treat homophobia as uniquely and singularly important and rampant in society while ignoring that transphobia is so openly accepted, for example. They're not wrong to address that they face oppression, but they have major blind spots to the many forms they don't and will never face.

[@stefaniadelprete6708]

Between you and Adam, this is how I’m getting my H3 updates cause I’ve long decided to avoid his content …so thank you for doing this cause I think it should definitely be talked about ❤

[@sashie253]

@@stefaniadelprete6708 check out the Do Not Worry pod! Lebanese fallen fans with a great hangout vibe✌️❤️

[@MyNameIshKaylee]

Stay strong through this and thank you for talking about it! As a long time every episode viewer, fallen fan.

[@ezzb]

27:59 Just a "correction" Sam Seder isn't a secret third option between Hasan and Ethan, he shares the same views as Hasan. He even clarified that on TMR and told people to stop diverging from what actually matter. That's why Hasan suggested Ethan should talk privately with Sam. Because if he didn't want to hear from him maybe it would help to talk to someone with a similar background that he said previously he respected. Wich only made Ethan accused that suggestion of anti******

[@MikasRhetoric]

Oh it wasn’t saying that the views are different or anything! I just like Sam’s personality and the fact that he’s so chill. I only said that because the feud was between Ethan and Hasan, and that Ethan always talked about sides. So it was a joke that my side is Same Seder.

[@ezzb]

@@MikasRhetoric Oh, i see! Uncle Sam truly is the correct answer, always 👑 I thought you're doing the "Hasan is too radical" take and genuinely believed Sam diverges from him. Yk, like Ethan saying he likes Sam but Emma and Mat are "horrible radicals that ruined the show" when Sam isn't there lol Many people don't watch the show to know they all share the same views.

[@ezzb]

Btw great video. I'm literally gonna watch again later. If you ever go full time with content creation and feel comfortable, you'll be amazing commenting a mix of news, politics, culture.

[@pinguufuuuu]

I just finished the video, and I think you covered everything pretty much spot on. Some things I would like to add to the topics discussed and my feelings as well: a lot of people missed the nuance on the end of Frenemies as well. If you rewatch a lot of the frenemies content back then, you will see that the way he acts with Hasan now, was the way he was treating Trisha when they fell apart, and is now trying to erase all of that because she is on the come up. He was very nasty and dismissive of her and her experiences the moment they stopped being friends, and basically harassed her and encouraged harassment from her hate subreddit at the time Trishyland in the same way he does with Hasan now in Destiny's subreddit. Thats why she never talks about him.Eventually either it'll get to that point with Hasan or it will just get worse. ( I encourage everyone to revisit this era and come to their own conclusions). I also agree with the homophobia/coercion thing. He forced Rebecca Black to watch the prolapse video without her consent, and coerced a lolcow they had at the time C-Man to expose himself on twitter so they can see the size of his you know, thing. When C-Man pushed back and said he felt pressured, he was the one that was attacked. Which leads me to how Ethan loves to weaponize his audience when its convenient for him but condemns when others do it/do it to him. Most recent example was with Adam McIntyre and how quick he was to accuse him of taking advantage of his mom. The reason I stopped watching them was because of bottom/Will Smith gate. I hated their attitudes with the audience for trying to educate them, and whenever they "apologize" its a whole lot of nothing and felt disingenuous to me. With Will Smith gate, I didn't appreciate how they were talking over their black fan caller and dismissing her. I think around them same time, Ethan was obsessed with the Channel 5 and Andrew Callaghan era (which side note I noticed he has a history of platforming the worst people ever), and they wanted to do a Channel 5 style interview during the Free Britney movement, which was about liberation of a woman's autonomy. The fact that he sent the crew there to get content and lolcows during a very serious protest bugged me. All of these things combined led me to stop watching and its a shame to see it hasn't gotten any better. I feel disgusted having been a fan of them for as long as I did (not long but long enough) and defended them. Granted I didn't know them back in their vape nation days so I had no idea how he truly was and acted and all the horrible things he said. But I'm glad more people are started to talk about it and I hope you receive more kindness than anything because I know this one is about to go crazy. As always, awesome video!

[@untalented7880]

@@pinguufuuuu Yes!!! Im so glad you are talking about the Will Smith situations and how he was talking over a black woman when trying to explain the importance of hair. He hung up on her and started ranting. I was fuming!! I slowly disengaging after that. I’m not black but understand the nuance with hair and his inability to listen and understand pissed me off. Thank you for saying it!

[@caitlin8274]

His "apologies" are the worst. You can always tell he's just repeating exactly what he's been told to say by his more socially conscious crew. It always boils down to "I said what you wanted me to say, leave me alone now"

[@_letstartariot]

I’m Israeli born/raised. But actually I am actually anti-zionist. I left Israel 15 years ago for Australia. I felt that it was really cool that there was this really popular creator with a similar sense of humour, also Jewish and living outside of Israel/is anti-zionist. I’ve been so disappointed in Hila and Ethan. They lost me. Heard too many Zionist dog whistles and weaponised antisemitism accusations coming from their mouths. I went with Hasan during the divorce, so I didn’t lose everything in this story. FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸 ❤

[@mcplestreet]

i LOVE brittany broski so i watched her episode multiple times, and when the prolapse part happened all i could think of is “this is the definition of sexual harassment in the workplace”

[@untalented7880]

Im so glad you are talking about this. I stopped watching almost 2 years ago. Ethan has said and done so much that I took issue with. He got away with saying awful things and the fandom protected him including his employees.

[@vybes820]

This is a crazy way for me to find out that Sam and Ian broke up 💀

[@globblin1734]

I was also a member that left after the Aaron Bushnell comments ✌️

[@jessjess23brooks89]

Same. I was there in the chat that day. He told us to leave, so I did. Unsubbed after a decade. Watching the crash out has been surreal from the outside.

[@noahlenten8360]

he seemed pretty good about that whole thing to me. its weird and heartless the way people idolize him, he could have done much more by living had a solid 60 years ahead of him think of everything he could have done. do not look up to him its a horrible thing

[@e_aa518]

same. i bounced so fast after that.

[@mae6125]

@@noahlenten8360brain dead and zero empathy take, Jesus Christ.

[@noahlenten8360]

@@mae6125 you suck

[@lilliputianhitcher3808]

ethan constantly using “antisemitism” as a shield gets on my nerves so fkn much because he constantly alludes to it but never says what is said/done… meanwhile, this week in my city a school bus for a Muslim school was torched. a CHILDRENS school bus. there’s legitimate islamophobia happening everywhere, and no one says anything. and for the record, i have jewish ancestry. i don’t practice, so i don’t call myself jewish, but my grandmother was a refugee from poland in WW2 so like…. i have seen no antisemitism i have seen ethan state an actual zionist talking point though….

[@serenityinajar]

I’m not as chronically online as Ethan is, and I’m sure if I was I would see more antisemitism, but I’m Jewish and the most antisemitism I’ve ever experienced has come from OTHER JEWS when Ive talked about the genocide. I’ve been called a Nazi, a self-hating Jew, a fake Jew, and told that I’m betraying my people by members of my own community.

[@honoluluw]

"frogan is antisemitic" apparently because she hates sabra hummus and it's antisemitic because isnotreal people love that brand of hummus 🥺 like it's ridiculous

[@hugs4hugs82]

former h3 girlie and i requested this video from you a while ago and i remember you were like yeah no their fanbase is terrifying LOL love your content and will defend it !!

[@cineful]

I checked out during the top/bottom stuff so seeing everything after is really something. Thanks for reminding me to unsubscribe from all that. Great video and sorry for any hate you get from this mild video.

[@BimmieJames]

33:00 the full coverage in black is a naqib and abaya mainly found in Arabia (stems from pre 700 AD culture). A burqa is a single full covering. A chador is mainly Persian it’s… superficially the closest looking to a habit and it looks like an eastern euro grandma holding her shawl (I know these are kinda reductive but we need references we know). A hijab is simply a headscarf that may or may not form to face but it’s usually it’s own garment that is independently able to mix and match with various styles of clothing.

[@emblue23]

Aaron Bushnell was my last straw too! Thank you for making this video and voicing so much of what we’ve all been feeling

[@StonedHunter]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. He has ALWAYS been a mean spirited bully and I'm not surprised he's reached this point and I'm not surprised so many people willfully ignored it until now. I personally never liked him cuz I've always found punch down "humor" to be unfunny and just cruel. He just wants to be edgy and shocking because it gets him views. He's no better than Shane Dawson and the like, and he never was.

[@yeehawbeehaw]

i am SO excited to hear your thoughts on this its like christmas came early

[@faithelizabethz]

Just here to add my support for the scary video!! I am someone who has gone through many back-and-forth moments with H3, but I think I'm pretty much done for good now after the Adam McIntyre stuff (what a thing to put the nail in the coffin for me😅). You are so brave! This video is so worth making! Those of us who understand nuance are here for you and your takes!!

[@MosesSuppose]

I was honestly a huge h3h3 defender post Frenemies. Even right after the end of Leftovers, I could see where Ethan was coming from, because I had a lot of similar issues I needed to unpack myself. I was raised in a Zionist Jewish house household. I went to a summer camp named after Theodore Herzl for 8 years, all of my family did. But Ethan very clearly cannot or does not want to acknowledge the very real, very one sided genocide being carried out by Israel and the IDF. I’m embarrassed that it took me until his comments around Aaron Bushnell to unsubscribe. I cannot believe everything he has done since then in the name of ‘combating anti-semitism.’ I can’t imagine being Frogan, Denims, or any of the actual random twitter people Ethan has lashed out against in his never ending instagram stories.

[@jjenzes]

I truly don't understand the criticism that he hasn't acknowledged a genocide because he has talked about it, he's sympathized with the Palestinian's struggle, he's condemned Israel's actions and been openly critical of the government for years before and after Oct 7th. I haven't seen every episode but that was always my takeaway. Not trying to fight or anything im just genuinely curious because this criticism of him has always confused me.

[@dreamie9868]

⁠@@jjenzesbecause he incessantly spreads misinformation and Hasbara. He thinks freeing Palestine/one state solution thinks all Jews will be killed. He thinks “from the river to the sea” is a genocidal statement. He’s trying to slander and deplatform many Muslim/pro Palestinian content creators under false pretenses. He called Jewish voice for Peace Kapos. He utilizes pink washing to hurt the Palestinian movement. I could go on and on. He might say he is Pro-Palestine, but his words and actions scream Liberal Zionist.

[@dreamie9868]

@@jjenzes he has talked about the Palestinian struggle for a total of maybe 4 minutes while spending most of his time (mainly falsely) going after perceived antisemitism, trying to deplatform pro-Palestinian creators. He has spread a lot of misinformation and hasbara. He thinks “from the river to the sea” is a g-nocidal statement. He thinks freeing Palestine or having a one-state solution is problematic because 8 million Jews will have to move away or it’s going to cause a Jewish g-nocide. He called the Nakba the “Israeli war of independence” I could keep going but my comment keeps getting deleted :/ but that’s just some of the things people have a problem with. He can say he is pro Palestine, but his words and actions are that of a liberal z!o.

[@jjenzes]

@dreamie9868 Thank you for the response, it does seem to me that a lot of these reasons misconstrue his actual position. I remember him talking about palestine quite extensively when leftovers was still a thing. He was not fighting with those creators because they are pro-palestine, there were many reasons but it was never because of their support of palestine. Where I live, there has been a very scary rise in antisemitism as well as islamaphobia with physical attacks on innocent ppl so I don't view it as perceived antisemitism, I see it as an interconnected issue. His position was that many israelis view the phrase in a negative light, which he felt would hinder attempts at peace if the movement centered around that phrase and I believe he called it the war of independence because that is the term used by israel, not because he supports the actions. I appreciate you taking the time to respond, I am pro-palestinian myself, and I have plenty to criticize about his coverage of the situation. I do think his perspective on history is skewed towards the israeli side. He often mispeaks or is quick to jump to extremes, and he could do more to center muslim voices. But the widespread criticism of him does not appear to be based in reality. From my perspective, ethan has always supported peace, criticized israel, and wants there to be some kind of solution and autonomy for palestinians. He has advocated for peace and donated to palestinian relief efforts. In my view, these are not the words and actions of someone opposed to the free palestine movement.

[@dreamie9868]

@ I will agree that he misspeaks and jumps to extremes. I think he does harbour a level of islamaphobia as well. He may be pro Palestine, but the daily lying/slandering/clip chimping (with the help of Destiny and friends) of the biggest pro-Palestine streamer is a reason many people have a problem with him. He does this with smaller creator as well, such as Denims, Matt Lieb, the crew of TMJ, etc. who are positive and educational voices, but are being labelled as “radical” and “terrorist sympathizers.” He is staunchly against humanizing or doing any analysis on why resistance forces come to be and participates in pink washing. He has gone after prominent pro-Palestine media figures such as Mehdi Hasan and Bassem Yousef, calling them liars and spreading false history… he hasn’t uplifted any Palestinian voices. The only person he has brought onto the podcast after Hasan to speak about Palestine was Lonerbox, who is a liberal Zionist and a g-nocide denier. Ethan’s retelling of how Israel came to be was very problematic, saying Jews around the world had to flee the ME to Israel because they were just antisemitic (Balfour declaration who? 1 million project what?) and his denial of Israel’s cultural appropriation is also problematic. Sorry if my response is all over the place, I don’t have time to reorganize it.

[@theedemigawd]

It’s really messed up that you have to carefully preface not wanting to be harassed in order to make a video about this stuff. That really shows how vitriolic that other fanbase and the person in question is. They’re completely incapable of reflection.

[@jf_valdivieso]

Isn't it interesting. Ethan forced Crowder into a debate with Sam Seder. Now people are trying to get Ethan to debate Sam Seder. It's like coming full circle.

[@gumshake689]

"heard you was looking for a bad b(i)tch here i am, I'm these hoes' worst nightmare the boogeyman" -Sam Seder

[@littletrebleclef]

It's also funny because Ethan involved Sam because he wasn't a debate bro so he brought Sam in as he had debate skills and now Ethan is a debate Andy he wants to run away from debating Sam.

[@JanusChrist]

Really great video!! I appreciate how you covered bottomgate and the Aaron Bushnell comments

[@hikari482]

Just when I was wondering wtf was going on with Ethan you make a video on it!! Side note jojis face when Ethan said what he said is so funny I actually burst out laughing

[@soulgrateful_kels]

As a former H3 watcher, this video is how I found out Sam and Ian broke up. Wow!

[@mybirdsofparadise]

Former H3 fan here. I hope this video will not get you in trouble ❤

[@Muse.Reviews]

Dam I didn’t realize Sam and Ian aren’t together anymore.

[@willaedwards9055]

My biggest shock this whole video ,idk why it didn't click for me

[@specialj67]

I kinda wondered, since they don’t mention Sam pretty much ever but do talk about Cam every once in awhile.

[@gumshake689]

as another commentor said, they probably broke up because Sam didnt respect Ian for staying. also sam clearly despised ethan

[@namjoonie936]

@@gumshake689lmaoo it was so obvious sam always disliked ethan, he always treated her poorly. i hope she is able to flourish now she’s out. she is so creative and was a major component to h3 i hope she finds a kind workplace that appreciate her

[@moonpalace808]

Thank you for talking about this! I'm also a fallen fan. I should have dipped sooner the show was really starting to suck and get boring, but the last straw for me was the episode he had Kendall Rae on as a guest. I thought it was ridiculous that he would call people antisemitic for saying Free Palestine but then have on a guest (Kendall) that spreads antisemitic conspiracy theories and said "the Nazis were low key woke". When I pointed that out in the chat (nicely) I was banned from chatting as a member of over a year. When I left a comment about it on the subreddit, I got permanently banned from that too. They banned a shit ton of people that day and deleted all posts from fans about Kendall. They also banned Native American fans who were offended by Kendall and Ethan using white sage to cleanse the studio, which of course Ethan acted disrespectful about. After that the show went REALLY downhill, the button incident happened not long after. I'm an antizionist Jew. My grandpa was a survivor of the holocaust. Never again means never again for anyone. I'm tired of Ethan speaking for all Jews. I think a lot of Jewish people were already paranoid because of rising antisemitism around the world, myself included. When October 7th happened I think some zionist Jews allowed it to make them more paranoid of others, and people like Ethan started getting angry, when they should actually be angry at Israel for tying themselves so closely into Judaism and then committing horrible genocidal actions in our name. I wish Jews like Ethan would realize Judaism existed for thousands of years before zionism was INVENTED (by an atheist man of Jewish decent who convinced people that the land of Palestine was promised to Jews by a god he doesn't believe in) and that the existence of Israel is antisemitic in itself. I hope more of his crew leave soon, it's a ticking time bomb.

[@migoreng7789]

kendall rae is one of the worst true crime creators, she's totally irresponsible and has no issues not only promoting harmful conspiracy theories but also had graham hancock as a guest, validating his quackery 🤡 she's a wolf in sheeps clothing to me

[@artsygurl07]

Used to be a massive H3 fan. Can’t deal with his ignorance anymore.

[@sashie253]

@@artsygurl07 💯

[@girlypopgay]

Love how joji, having been filthy frank, is the one cringing at Ethan 😂

[@namjoonie936]

zach is literally the type of dude that makes you start walking faster

[@sianmilne4879]

Glad someone is talking about this because I always remember him being kind of a cringe edge lord and now everyone acts like he's a bastion of the left??

[@PoopHobbit]

duuude Sam's face when they're laughing at QT wtf

[@anonymousviewer328]

Also, you’re so freaking pretty!!!

[@candace3493]

Addressing Ethan and H3 antics in general would be anxiety inducing for anyone, let alone for someone with an underlying anxiety condition. I really appreciate how you've articulated all of this with such consideration and care for the affected groups. I find your research and rhetoric process pretty exemplary. I'm wishing you all the best with your future endeavours in education. Having any form of online presence as someone in education can be nerve wracking. I am not a teacher, but I do work in education admin. Since I have pretty poor impulse control I've had to take a social media break. When I'm less cognizant, I've gone on a lot of rants I regret. I am really trying my best to curate an online environment that makes me less anxious but I can still keep up to date on important issues. Glad I can get your takes sprinkled in here and there on days I can handle it.

[@knightthezero]

Great video! To admit you’re scared, but to still post something because you know it’s what’s right we need more creators like you!!

[@symphoness]

Listened all the way to the end and paused to leave the room. Thank you for making this. Liked. Might sub on this vid alone.

[@aliceincompton]

You got them riled up. We love to see it! Thanks for making this video girlypop. Always appreciate you bringing things like this to light on your channel, especially lately (loved the video on Alexa Nikolas, Def Noodles etc).

[@maureenorourke9535]

as an H3 fan who often gets annoyed at the show, I’m so ready for this

[@scarlalex]

as someone who is lebanese, thank you for speaking out on the matter as much as you could. Sending love!

[@yaauntee]

i really appreciate this video. i am a relatively casual fan of H3, and i wasn’t fully understanding the pushback he was receiving from what i considered to be him combating antisemitism from misguided “internet activists.” highlighting the pattern hes laying out does make his opinions look just as bad as the people he criticizes. the lonerbox stream was the one that did it for me personally, cus i was pretty supportive of his points until then. that guy had no idea what he was talking about and it was really concerning how he spoke about palenstine. i think this video will help a lot of H3 fans understand how ethan is being just as harmful

[@mistakesmisfits]

@23:21 Sam's face says it all

[@jamesb507]

@@mistakesmisfits yet she stayed another 1.5yrs+

[@AuroraM-sf9li]

ok i watched the video and yea his comments about bushnell were the end for me as well. after that i unsubbed from all their accounts and took them out of my algo. looking back, a big reason why it took me so long is the constant berating of leftists for supposedly being too puristic or judgemental. i kept telling myself at every incident, yea i fully disagree with this and think its fucked up but am i not supposed to accept others in spite of differing opinions? but actually, the answer is no, i dont have to do that. at least not when its just some content creator who is being a bigot. never again. (of course in not-chosen family relationships it can be different, i dont blame people for putting up with more bs there) i really hope you dont get too much hate for this now that ethan isnt quite as influential anymore btw

[@MikasRhetoric]

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT!!!!

[@SeamusLeGris]

Omg yes exactly 💯 Also i bought into the fallen fan rhetoric too

[@evilhunny]

This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for!!

[@erika2m16]

Thank you for this, as an H3 fan who is sick of Ethan's bs

[@nyjiar]

I’ve honestly been waiting for a video like this I’m sat🪑

[@Devilmousy]

What this creator is doing is something we should all look up to. Most people know that Ethan will use his fanbase to completely destroy someone without taking accountability. As a former H3-listener; I really hope we can stick together to keep this creator as safe as possible IF he decides to attack her.

[@Crenley]

Thanks for being brave, articulating this saga so eloquently and adding your voice to this discourse - its a welcome one!

[@a__c]

I love you and Sam Seder ! Couldn’t believe when you said you’re only 24, I feel like I’ve learnt so much from you as a 27 year old ❤️

[@linx88]

Omg I was not expecting this very excited

[@MagentaDinosaurs]

Congrats on the 50k Mika, I've been watching you since the beginning and I'm so proud to see your growth 💖

[@sydneyparks8217]

Period. My educator queen. Taking a stand for our youth!

[@tcroc01]

Trust it’s not weird you make genuinely amazing content where you’re not likes and content engagement focused, and you never ask about like/suscribing engagement, so it is totally okay for you to do that when you’re about to reach big milestones. Also you deserve so much of a following so of all people who could be “asking” for engagement, you should be asking and should have such a bigger audience cause you’re amazing

[@cheylonghini]

I'm working on a deep dive on this topic but when this video popped up I was like "ahhh I don't want to wait to watch this." So I had to watch it asap, and this is one of my favorite videos that you've done lately. Don't be anxious, I think you did very well. Especially criticizing Ethan during a time where he seems to be going nuclear on anyone he feels is against him.

[@renataapatataa8853]

ok thank you so much for speaking about this - i know that its not an easy subject to tackle BUT its been driving me craaaazy that almost no person with a platform has been calling this out, so major props Mika ❤

[@dogluvr666]

Ohhhh I’ve been waiting for this one Queen!

[@lilahpearleee]

i've been patiently waiting for someone to be brave enough to take this shit on knowing how psychotic h3 and fans can be. thank you, and BIG UPS FOR THE BALLS MAMAS