A Perfect Grip? Pineider Modern Times Fountain Pen Review

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[@archivist17]

It's very stylish and distinctive. But I can't justify that price.

[@cubisthenos6299]

That's fountain pens for you

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

It's got a lot going for it as a pen... BUT for that price? Where's the hooker to play with my balls whenever I write??? ;o)

[@user-gl5ld9vm7i]

Thanks DB for a very thorough review. You've dissected, and pinpointed out all the pen's faults. Not good for an expensive pen. Cheers buddy

[@radiofreealbemuth]

I love the thick triangular grip, but i prefer cartridge converters that can be accessed for easy cleaning. Also I feel like the number 8 size nib would look better on this pen. I wish the number 8 size nib would start being normalized, especially in this price range.

[@llorcall]

@doodlebud like i said yesterday, love the comparison with the 50$ pen that came with a tuned nib...

[@victoriaevelyn3953]

My schmidt nibs have a gap like that and the broad nib has feed issues and skipping issues I think it might be both the feed not letting enough ink down and the nib needing a little tune up

[@AndrewWertheimer]

Good point about trying to encourage new developments, but still important to maintain quality especially since most users don’t tune pens as much as you do. Thanks again.

[@williamcatalano1762]

I believe Octopus Fluids make Diplomat branded ink as well. I got a bottle of Black Diplomat with my Aero and it has that branding on it in small print. These are nice pens, I have no use for one since I have a Triangolo though. Great Review Doodlebud!

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

ALWAYS fun to get a "visit" from Doodlebud with another shiny new toy... haha... Always look forward to your reviews, ESPECIALLY for the engineering perspective. I think (deep down) most of us are here because you "always notice those kinds of things"... ;o)

[@teslastellar]

Would be better if the nib was press fit so you could rotate it and adjust your grip on the section to your liking.

[@Doodlebud]

They would need to use a different nib housing as this standard one is keyed and only allows for one specific orientation

[@philnaunton7181]

Fascinating and thorough evaluation - as usual. I'm a touch disappointed that there is no ink window, even though that would certainly destroy the symmetry. I would probably take your suggestion and fill this with a syringe.

[@Doodlebud]

Ink window wouldn't look good. Sorta like the Visconti Homo Sapiens Bronze Age. I have the normal one but they also have the one with the ink window. Practial idea, but just kills the look.

[@DaisyDoodles]

Loved the review doodlebud. Also loved the microscope segment, i actually laughed when you brought it out! All i could think was, if anyone’s gonna be thorough enough to use a microscope, it’s gonna be doodlebud. This pen is interesting, but sadly i am also on team no-triangles - plus, i have hands so small you may have to use your microscope to see them LOL. I think a pen with such a large profile wouldn’t work well with my hands. But, always good to see something new, and to have options!

[@Jdoki]

I like Pineider pens and love this design - but it's a hard pass from me. No way to check ink level seems like a huge oversight. Poor fit and finish for the price. And to top it all, poor performance from the nib. To be honest even if they addressed those problems the price is still too high. Thanks for the thorough and honest review.

[@Vera-zd4iu]

Have you tried it?

[@XionLuis]

Hey Doodlebud! I think Baystate Blue would match amazingly with this pen!

[@JefferyHall-ct2tr]

Hi DB!: That is a really nifty design for a pen! Only problem I have is the color choices as regards the trim. If I were to buy one of these I would be essentially stuck with the BRG and rose gold. Since these are car color themed, I am surprised they didn't have some sort of chrome or nickel plate trim, practically EVERY color has the black trim! Since it compromises the performance of the nib, that's a NO GO for me. A NICE blue ink is the Monteverde Blue Skies blue! Just got one of those pens with the free ink. NICE!

[@MrAndrew1953]

The blue is very nice,much nicer than black any others. Apparently the shape was inspired by that of the ME-262 ‘swallow’ German jet fighter.

[@viarnay]

Such a freaking looking 😊good fountain pen. Italians did it again..

[@Vera-zd4iu]

I read comments of people saying that this pen is too expensive having a steal nib and of course they never held it in their hands. A pen is Not, its nib or any part of it taken individually, but how those parts work together. I had the chance to see it in a store today in Italy and it definitely surprised me. The material feels and looks very premium, I have a Montblanc 149 and the feeling in the hand is just the same. The barrel also is very similar which makes it more comfortable especially for men and especially for those who have big hands. The grip section is "extremely" comfortable for me in girth; length and balance/weight distribution is impressive. As for the nib, as every fountain pens lover knows, the material of it accounts just for a small percentage when it comes to pleasure of writing; try to write with a Leonardo or a Visconti with steal nibs and then try a sailor 14k nib (fine or extra fine) and you will notice that the Sailor will give you much more feedback than Leonardo or Visconti steal nib and in some cases could even feel scratchy. Surely gold generally makes a nib smoother but just to a certain extent, the most important thing is how a nib is made and how it interacts with the specific pen; same nib with different pens can give different feedbacks. As for the grip, the big triangular shape (actually the upper part looks like a half moon and the lower part is flat) is, as said, surprisingly comfortable for writing. The pen itself tells you the proper way to be held and how to write correctly, for me it was like trying for the first time an automatic transmission after several years driving with the manual one; Pro and Cons of course but definitely more comfortable. When you compare the price of €290,00 (here in Italy) with other pens prices I wouldn't consider it expensive, especially if you take into consideration that a Sailor 1911s would cost just a little bit less and the look and feeling in the hand is so much different and less impressive. My Sailor King of pen (which i like very much) is very similar in terms of perceived quality and hand feel but I paid €900 euros for it, three times more, and a gold nib (1 gram of pure gold more or less) do not justify this difference by any means. So if you are a man, especially if with big hands, you get hand fatigue and/or hand cramping after longer sessions of writing, you should really give it a try. One more thing, if you get the total black, take into consideration that the colour applied on the nib might result in more friction against the paper so more feedback; if you like smoothness stick with gold or silver nib.

[@Doodlebud]

I really really enjoy mine. It made it into the Top 10 list for my favorite pens of 2023. Comfortable, cap seals well, and just a joy to use.

[@Vera-zd4iu]

@@Doodlebud I am seriously considering buying it.. People should try something before judging/evaluating it. Nice channel btw, subscribed. Greetings from Italy.

[@claytonsanders508]

I really want to like Pineider pens. They make interesting and original design choices, but there always seem to be multiple noticeable flaws with each model. Especially at the price point for their 14k pens.

[@ichirofakename]

1. What's with the little dents in the cap? 2. Try it in reverse - sometimes a triangle grip makes reverse writing somewhat awkward. 3. thanks for showing us this unique pen.

[@Doodlebud]

In reverse it didn't sit well as it's not quite a triangle. Normal grip and side was pretty comfy tho. I really been enjoying using it. Unique look, but also very nice to use. The soft magnetic caping is nice. Now that the nib is flowing properly it writes wonderfully. Just wish that gets checked quickly before it leaves the manufacturer. Overall an enjoyable & unique pen to use. The dents in the cap? Do you mean the ones down inside? Those are to mate with the magnets at the end of the section to secure the cap.

[@ichirofakename]

@@Doodlebud 2 little round dents on outside of cap 1/2" from top, possibly clip-related-looking.

[@McAmeron089III]

You're right;they are for the pivot pins of the spring- clip.@@ichirofakename

[@littletweeter1327]

i think the shape works on the omas 360 with the overall size. but it just looks kind of ridiculous on this pineider. the nib is way too small for how chunky it is

[@raclark52]

Love mine but as I normally prefer an EF nib this one was like a needle and extremely stiff. Not pleasant at all. Simply swapped it for a Goulet Pen nib in EF and it’s awesome. Comfortable and well made. But I agree it’s a bit pricy but I do enjoy it. Great review. Well done.

[@paulmchugh1430]

Thank you for this in depth review. I like Pineider pens and Dante Del Vecchio designs. I am not a fan of triangular grips but I may consider this one. I did not know that Bock nibs were used.

[@McAmeron089III]

Cool pen. Really 360-esque shape. I'm going to have to wait for the Jinhao clone. 🤓

[@caseyjp1]

Interesting design. The price? Makes me love my HongDian N7 that much more. Heh. I'm one of the 'yuck-triangles' types, so this wouldn't work. (Lefthanded overwriter who is always slightly adjusting AOA.) What WOULD be interesting is a triangle barrel with a round grip. That would be something many of us wouldn't mind at all. A non-rolling pen that grips 'traditionally'. 🙂

[@Doodlebud]

ASC Triangolo does that. If you don't like this price... be sure to be seated when you look up that pen

[@caseyjp1]

@@Doodlebud lol. 1500$. Yep. Nope. I guess I'll just have to suffer with my rolly pens. This stuff is what sorts out us "budgeteers" from "collectors". In my brain a plastic pen with a steel nib costing 300$ is a ripoff. No matter how brandy or nice it is. This isn't a knock to reviewing these things, as there are people who collect, and price is no object. But yeah. My grail cost me 29$. That makes me happy. Heh.

[@Doodlebud]

@@caseyjp1 yup, good thing this hobby has a space for everyone to accommodate all budgets

[@philnaunton7181]

Follow up comment - - I don't know what anyone else thought, but I did have a concern. My admittedly tiny image of the Pineider Modern Times made it look like the cap had vent holes. Worrying? A larger image showed that these are NOT vent holes but are actually rivet heads. Better! Explains how the pen didn't dry up on long rest periods. Just saying....

[@Doodlebud]

Its a pin that is press fit into place for the pivot point on the cam that operates the clip. Dante was on Goulet and assembled a UR resin pen while he was there with just his hands and a tiny hammer. Its cool to watch him fit all the parts and everything slips all together.

[@mmzeeman]

This ink is a pigmented waterproof ink. It is different from the normal line of fountain pen inks they offer. The manufacturer recommends cleaning your pen directly after use with this ink. So it might be a harsh on you pens when you leave it in for a longer time. It contains a special binding component to make it waterproof. Octopus Fluids sells a special cleaning fluid. It dissolves the pigments as well as the special waterproof binder in this ink. This cleaner comes with a warning that the coating on coated nibs can become loose when you also clean them mechanically 😬.

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks for the info. I didn't even notice the note on the bottle it was pigmented LOL. I stopped into the store to have a look and saw the pretty inks and some paper and just grabbed some stuff.

[@mmzeeman]

@@Doodlebud Their normal fountain pen inks are nice. I have Sepia Schwarz and Karibik from them. Both are nice inks. Especially for not very wet fine and medium nibs. I believe they test their inks with Kaweco and Diplomat pens.

[@SoulQuJo]

that shape is crazy

[@aryanambastha4050]

I have a Quadrupod grip, so all triangular grip pens are out of the question. I wasted my money 5 years ago on a Lamy Safari. Thought I would get on with the triangular grip over time but it's collecting dust and I will never use it in my life again.

[@Affordy]

ohhh what a sleek design

[@ironmic9244]

Can't believe you got is so quickly. Were you on vacation? Haven't seen a video from you in a while. I;m anticipating a comparison with the 360 soon. Why can't I watch the video first - then comment???

[@Doodlebud]

Pen Chalet reached out as they were able to secure one, which wasn't easy. Cool pen overall, neat to see a new design. Was away for a week on a trip.

[@ironmic9244]

@@Doodlebud Looks like you got a new mascot.

[@oswjim]

Pelikan Twist has a similar triangular shape

[@teslastellar]

Yes reminded me of the twist too.

[@ferdinanddaguinsin4970]

I really enjoy ur videos- have u ever did one for the Parker sonnet?

[@Doodlebud]

Nope, haven't tried that pen yet

[@ferdinanddaguinsin4970]

@@Doodlebud you should give it a try

[@arlenealennox3136]

I like it, but no way to check ink level.

[@Javi_C]

Very interesting pen.

[@Doodlebud]

It really is

[@JSGilbert]

Nice pen, but $300 for it and a steel nib. I’m trying to figure out what makes it a $300 pen.

[@InArcadiaSum]

Surely it must force the writer into using a particular grip and writing angle, which may or may not suit, but doesn't have the freedom that a round grip or section offers?

[@Soyokaze404-yc1dt]

Seems to be the case

[@Doodlebud]

That is correct. There are no shortage of pens that are round. Nice to see something different. Won't be for everyone, so plenty of other options out there.

[@InArcadiaSum]

@@Doodlebud My only experience of triangular sections has been with some freebie biro that my wife has. Being a ballpoint, orientation doesn't signify. I'm just so old-fashioned that the section on a Lamy Safari/Al-Star is a challenge.

[@bluesplotch]

my question/issue with magnetic caps is will they hold up or will they let's say five years from now just give out?

[@Doodlebud]

The magnets in the pen won't wear out. There's nothing to wear out in a magnet. Think about the magnets on your fridge, they just keep in doing their thing. And these are much better magnets, so they will last

[@queenbuzybee4074]

I thought it was a typical German grade school fountain pen. Lol. It really has that vibe going on imho. Definitely not a pen I‘d pay that much for.

[@Soyokaze404-yc1dt]

Interesting looking pen for sure, but is it worth the $290 price tag? I think the price should have been mentioned in the video. Kind of put off from your video now. While the design seems very ergonomic, I'm not sure I'd want to test it out when we're essentially looking at a Jinhao Shark that envies Visconti, yet had a momentary affair with LAMY.

[@soxandbears]

Agree that price is steep for what it is. Especially since this review sample had an offset nib and skipped. For that price it should be perfect out of the box

[@Doodlebud]

Guess you didn't watch the whole video because I did have a discussion on the price

[@archivist17]

Price definitely mentioned and criticised in the video.

[@soxandbears]

posted before i got to the end; thanks for that. for the record i do like it but that is a lot considering it needed to be tinkered with@@Doodlebud

[@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564]

At first glance, it looks like an expensive Pelikan Twist. 😂

[@bbrachman]

It looks like Thunderbird 2.

[@MrsinTN]

Interesting looking, but it doesn’t appear to be as break resistant as some models from a couple or three years ago. Not sure I like the triangle looks of it. I love my Pineider pens, but even if I could afford it, I don’t care for it’s looks. Sorry, Dante.

[@Doodlebud]

Im don't think this one is marketed as unbreakable like the UR resin pens are. The looks and feel does seem to be pretty polarizing. More of a love it or hate it type thing

[@MrsinTN]

@@Doodlebud it would probably grow on me if I could get one. Retirement income is thin, though, lol! Thank you for your videos!

[@huckleberry12]

can I ask what magnification level you were working with here when adjusting the tines, please?

[@cooker4000]

Good, but soooooooooo draggy to make longer. That's sad.

[@cyberenby3015]

They called it the Modern Times instead of the Modern Tines... my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[@milchpuder]

Great but flawed as with almost every pen. Dont think i could see past these ones for this price 😢

[@cooker4000]

I can't take this.....

[@zaheedhasib]

$300 and steel nib, lol steal nib.

[@retardno002]

If Appelboom could send you a Pineider La Grande Belezza made of forged carbon with a quill nib, that should be flexy, and forged carbon is super interesting from an engineering perspective.