A PowerPoint about Unorthodox Moves in Pokemon

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[@LoMaLouis]

If you ever feel useless remember that shedinja gets final gambit!

[@kingambitreal]

Final Gambit Shedninja to break sashes is meta bro trust me

[@cat8506]

min speed shedinja final gambit followed by scarf blissy copycat

[@MacZephyrZ]

​@@cat8506Congradulations, you've sacrificed two pokemon to defeat one!

[@PinkPuffyPastry]

That is extremely funny

[@parwes540]

Attract cryogonal:

[@zwiebeldogs]

POWDER IS SO FUNNY. I used it against the Gen6 Elite Four Fire Lady and I would just use Powder every round since she used Fire attacks on my highly flammable Vivillon every single round, haha. Shit was so goofy

[@Foolish_Spoon]

why have specified powders (sleep powder, poison powder and so on) when you can have literally-just-some-powder!

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

just throwing a handful of unspecified powder at someone is kinda funny lmfao

[@averageidiot6645]

Go go gadget Asbestos

[@Foolish_Spoon]

​@@ElectricWindGirlFriendjust scoop some dust off of the ground and throw it into their face

[@lorekeeper685]

(gun)powder

[@demi-femme4821]

Powder isn't a very good move, but it is fucking hilarious.

[@kingambitreal]

Fire types when i throw some powder at their face🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@certifiedcoomclassic]

Wow, these are some unorthodox moves in Pokemon

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

they sure are

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

Posting this and then taking my last final of the year in 30 minutes lol. Also Lock On is still in the game while Mind Reader is not.

[@rayandthejets]

Good luck!! ❤

[@goldensupmanz]

good luck o7

[@Cochu]

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!

[@ElenaPog]

Good luck!!

[@yorickvlt1021]

How'd it go?

[@tdfhjd]

Also: mind reader Articuno with sheer cold

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

i did give it a mention thankfully

[@myriad3569]

Wait ‘till you hear about poliwrath with mind reader and fissure

[@thatgenericgamer7919]

@@myriad3569 politoed erasure

[@PlusmaGun]

And Generation II Smeargle can have a lot of fun with this, too! *Spore* *Lock-On* *Guillotine* / *Horn Drill* *Fissure* / *Agility*

[@goreangel1258]

Fun fact! Powder is sometimes used in Pure Hackmons with Bug/Steel types with Wonder Guard! It renders literally every way to hit it obsolete when Fire Type Moves don’t work on it, great times

[@lucasgreer1736]

wait yeah the only way to beat that is outspeeding or replacing the ability

[@disasterarea9341]

@@lucasgreer1736 powder is a priority move and there arent any fire priority moves so... literally just replacing the ability (or using mold breaker)

[@youtubeenigma8316]

​​​@@disasterarea9341 Ability Shield: *[Evil Laughter]*

[@HeraldOfOpera]

(laughs in Mold Breaker)

[@solstardragon]

I mentioned this elsewhere but the Pledge moves would become viable if they worked like Tera Blasts and used the higher of SPATK or ATK. Right now only the SPATK starters can make great use of it. The effects individually are actually pretty strong.

[@Bird-wz7nx]

Yep. I kinda feel like they're purposely sitting on it though, after seeing what happened with the Tapu and terrains

[@asierx7047]

Rillaboom + Incineroar lead immediately sets the field on fire turn 1

[@percsie3072]

Ik about powder because someone made a team for gen6 pure hackmons that had a scizor with powder. “The vantablack hourglass” was the name of the team I think

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

I’ll check that out!

[@manelneedsaname1773]

I'm playing a gen 6 romhack wich has the first gym leader use it. It made it pretty hard for me

[@amberhide04]

​@@manelneedsaname1773what's the name of the hack?

[@selfloathinggameing]

The “playground rumor” that we had for Gen 5 was that there was some sort of super effect that activated when you used all 3 Pledge moves at once in a Triple battle

[@sebastianchavez1225]

there is not?

[@portwise23]

@@sebastianchavez1225 no :( Whichever 2 go first get the special effect, and the third is just an 80 base power generic move of it's type

[@Rot8erConeX]

​@@portwise23 (resending my message because it's not loading that it sent on my end, so if there's two replies that say basically the same thing, that's why) The weird thing is, at least based on what I heard, the Pledge moves were intended as a nod to Pokemon Trainer's Final Smash in Brawl (which is why they only could be learned by starters). So you would *think* they'd want to do a direct Triple Finish thing.

[@portwise23]

@@Rot8erConeX It would've been cool if there was a triple finish type of effect, where it would simply become a typeless 200 base power multi-target move, however that might've been a bit much for game balance, and as-is, in gens 5 and 6, the slowest pledge move is separate from the other two

[@fable1479]

Why did this unlock a core memory for me 😂😂

[@SSNNPBCC]

My favorite move is Soak. It sets up so many fuck you strategies including turning synchronoise into a stupidly good move. It also makes EVERYTHING weak to freeze dry that wasnt already weak to it.

[@CBSnB2R]

I'm a big fan of copycat , like being able to make a mon use any move is pretty cool, to bad it doesn't have any real use (except copycat shell smash flamigo hyperoffense). Powder sounds so cool, why have i never heard of it before wth.

[@Kazzzack]

In SwSh VGC it had some use on Liepard of all things, prankster+copycat=immediately undoing the trick room your opponent set last turn.

[@CBSnB2R]

@@Kazzzack ok that sounds amazing

[@xjennyintime]

Gen 5 Riolu Prankster Copycat Roar would like to know your location

[@Bird-wz7nx]

Im surprised Z-copy cat was so less whelming compared to Z-mirror move. I miss Z-Moves, ngl. But if Megas are coming back, hopefully we'll get a rebalanced new Z move era one day.

[@ArthurTRead]

Iirc only vivillon gets powder

[@Andy-sv6fj]

Who up playing with their rototiller

[@Iris_Descent]

about the mind reader thing in gen 4, moves affected by it going through protect wasn't exclusive to it, it happened to any move that normally has regular accuracy checks, that become boosted to bypass said checks, such as thunder in rain, blizzard in hail, or, in general, no guard, the only exception being OHKO moves, since their accuracy checks work very differently. this was only in diamond and pearl and was fixed in platinum, but picture this: machamp's dynamic punch having a 50% chance to hit through protect. LOL

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

that is my new favorite pokemon glitch

[@kingambitreal]

They should honestly implement this feature as a ability, and call it "Unseen Fist" or somethin

[@june9914]

god I wish pledges had more distribution but the precedence is just starter mons

[@Bird-wz7nx]

We at least need the moves to take advantage of the rainbow effect. I guess Rock Slide Blaziken and dark pulse greninja are an option

[@givemeyourgarbage7980]

Dont forget that silvally can learn only grass pledge because of a programming error LMAO, classic GF

[@GeorgeDCowley]

And Silvally.

[@xLaniakea_]

love how i read the title before clicking on the video, and the only move i could think of was powder. What an underappreciated move lol

[@edgargaebolg9307]

Magnetic Flux being a spread Cosmic Power but only for Plus/Minus users sounds unorthodox enough for a next video

[@sleepytown6209]

The weak will say: "But why use Powder when you can just use Protect???" The strong will reply: "haha powder go boom boom"

[@PersonOfRandomnesss]

One thing to note with the pledges is that the second one would go immediately after the first one, so you can get a quicker attack off. I remember this being comparatively relevant on a gen 8 sun team with Chlorophyll Venusaur and Solar Power Charizard.

[@danielhale1]

Weird moves are fun to learn about, but often not fun to use. Like sure, Lock On sounds great, but you could have just attacked twice with a 100% accurate move and gotten better results, especially since your lock on is nullified if they switch out. It is funny to use it with OHKO moves against AI though. If Powder did considerably more damage or had another effect (like burning or paralyzing the opponent), I could see it getting used a lot. But 25% damage is not quite enough. I'd love to see a 2nd video!

[@sylvrwolflol]

Yeahhh, it's one of those things where maybe if abilities didn't exist it'd be useful... but flash fire and redirection exists, so nah. Though it's certainly a much funnier strategy

[@theemeraldblaze4827]

OK, am I the only person who knows about Powder? Every KZbinr brings it up as one of the most forgotten moves, but I don’t forget about it. Idk maybe I’m just biased cuz Vivillon is my fav bug.

[@tdfhjd]

Final gamba is funny

[@byzantine5761]

Hey EWGF, you should totally do a presentation about Kommo-o. It can technically run Throat Spray Clangorous Soul for super powerful Boombursts, Sub Salac Belly Drum for a super strong setup, Dragon Dance to be a threat that doesn’t nerf its own health, and Iron Defense Body press to, albeit, a lesser extent

[@MochachiiinoWorks]

Powder is so cool it made electricwindgf chuckle mid delivery, truly the the move of all time

[@CuppaGi]

I came 8th in a locals with powder Vivillon. Blaziken and Volcarona we're common at the time, so it helped net me a few wins.

[@kennystyles9690]

I saw the title and was so excited cause i knew someone would finally talk about powder

[@rugino3614]

Vivillon: _Go ahead, shoot._

[@isoldemaisol3709]

I hope you put Gravity in the next/another video. No one has heard of it, but its effects are so unique and varied you can build a whole team around it.

[@kingambitreal]

Ahh yes, Lando-I's terrain

[@arachne9177]

2:43 I agree I love powder so much and I wish it was good enough to make pokemon like vivillion a threat

[@matthewpelletier6900]

I absolutely loved Powder. It's such a cool concept and you feel like a galaxy-brained mega genius if it works.

[@jcnot9712]

Pokeaimmd is one of the only people crazy enough to use powder competitively.

[@oakin6441]

Powder would probably see more experimentation if more mons than just vivillion got it, imagine if Amoongus and Jumpluff got it

[@kingambitreal]

Give scizor the move and also priority on it because why not

[@edgargaebolg9307]

Whimsicott with Prankster Powder sounds chaotic

[@oakin6441]

@@edgargaebolg9307 Powder already has +1 priority, so its not completely necessary

[@edgargaebolg9307]

@@oakin6441 I might be stupid

[@Rarest26]

I want to live in a reality where funny fire fish got hard countered by some bugs with gunpowder

[@nentrellemmer2122]

I’m so happy about your opinion about powder

[@kusiwastaken]

Gratz on passing all ur classes ❤❤

[@eXi101]

i don’t even play VGC but find myself watching your presentations so much 💀 that being said keep it up tho

[@yompigebhart7282]

Using powder reminds me of a meme I saw somewere about a guy riding his bike with a gas tank straped on his back an a sign that read "we can both lose". F@cking gold man

[@Breezeezee]

I had no idea the pledges had secondary effects! That's so cool!

[@Zwijger]

Of course I wanna see a video. I always want you to make more videos.

[@marilynlucero9363]

I used Powder in a Pokémon Fan game myself. Pokémon Taiseiyo or something long time ago. I remember being on the backfoot in a fight and only having my Bug /Flying type of the region left. However due to some glitch and the most flippin' anime type stuff the when I used Powder predicting a Fire type move from my opponent's Fire type starter it blew up in his face shown a glitch message I could only press ok, blew up in his face again, and again, and again in 1 turn making it a straight OHKO from 1 Powder. Note this Bug /Flying mon also had an Ability that made it immune to Rock type moves, so if you ran the literaly broken Powder move, it would technically have 2 immunities as the risk of using a Fire type move is just too high.

[@energyzer_bunny1913]

Powder would've been phenomenal if it took 50% of the user's HP. It would've been phenomenal counter play from Bug types.

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

Is a presentation about "moves where there's an objectively better version" something you've done yet? Sounds like a fun video idea

[@edgargaebolg9307]

You'd have to specify more what makes a move an "objectively better version". Like, are you comparing Thunder Shock with Thunderbolt or Slam with Body Slam?

[@GeorgeDCowley]

@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also Jump Kick and High Jump Kick.

[@edgargaebolg9307]

@@GeorgeDCowley Yeah see this is what I meant. Are you just comparing similar moves based on their power, or are you considering accuracy or secondary effects too? If it's the first you're going to waste time with obvious examples like Ember being worse than Flamethrower or Jump Kick and High Jump Kick. If it's the second you can show more curious stuff, like Lunge hitting as hard as X-Scissor but with an attack drop

[@GeorgeDCowley]

@@edgargaebolg9307 There's also PP to consider.

[@MelodyLumina]

i tried to make a mono bug team and i was so sad when i saw that powder was removed cuz it genuinely would've been a huge help especially to enable scizor

[@mikec4390]

I had some success with Powder in STABmons. Defensive Scizor in that format before dexit was one of my favorite sets. Defend order, heal order, powder, and either bug bite or bullet punch

[@Rot8erConeX]

I'd love to see something Powder-like that targets other types. Maybe some sort of wire exposing move that causes the opponent to blow up if they use an Electric move?

[@qsxsqsxs]

omg the pledges totally surprised me the first time i saw them too

[@pokeballblaze9835]

sure i'd love to see a follow up

[@sawyerjenson7767]

I loved snatch. Sad to see it go, such a great concept.

[@TheLaXandro]

I love Powder. If it had wider distribution and maybe also had an effect where opponent getting hit by your teammate's fire move on the same turn would also set the powder off, it'd see use.

[@flargensnarf6500]

Honestly they should bring powder back. Incredibly well designed and balanced, imagine how helpful it would have been during chi yu era SV OU on a Pokémon like lokix

[@davey529]

powder is a funny inclusion that i only know about because I've been nuzlocking pokemon run and bun an emerald hack with gen 8 mechanics where vivillon has powder and its unironically one of the best things about the mon

[@cantreed6214]

powder sounds awesome. I hope that move gets buffed or becomes meta-relevant some day

[@tinypokemon6655]

It would be funny if they made a powder for every type

[@PinkPuffyPastry]

Would love Powder for more types, it might be really annoying it sounds so cool to use

[@joaquinduverne6259]

I remember seeing Powder for the first time on the freaking Pixelmon Minecraft Mod. It could actually be so nice if it had wider distribution. Imagine if Shedinja could negate one of its weaknesses like that

[@FarhanH1]

I did my daily and also HOLY SHIT POWDER IS SUCH A COOL MOVE

[@Kayachlata]

During the fire meta or Gen 6, I ran a powder Vivallon and absolutely shut down blaziken Charizard Y sets by stopping them from acting. It was wild

[@ariaborealis]

These videos are perfect for my adhd

[@volbla]

I would like a follow up if only because i'm curious if there's any more moves i have no idea about existing like Powder.

[@Elizabeth-by7gz]

Finally some justice and recognition for Powder

[@elrichardo1337]

obligatory reborn plug (the pledge moves can summon terrains)

[@mastatheif9909]

These PowerPoint slides are hilarious

[@Foxy4646]

isnt there a move called tar shot or something that does something similar to powder?

[@ShadowStarz77]

I remember messing around with final gambit scarf accelgor for a bit. Overkill but it was funny at the time.

[@DIINOWHORE]

Imagine a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to Fire, but having an ability that spreads powder onto the opponent upon being damaged, maybe a Grass/Steel type to make its primary weakness really risky to use against it

[@FrumpyGoldsmith]

I'd love to hear you talk about how broken the Partner Eevee/Pikachu moves are from LGPE. Moves like Zippy Zap, Glitzy Glow, Baddy Bad, and Sappy Seed would be competely broken if they were in a mainline game

[@dvillines26]

what about moves like Soak that change the opposing Pokemon's type? or Conversion and Conversion2?

[@CanTabOfWisdom]

Can I just say this attitude towards Powder is my favourite way to think about pokémon moves in general. I love moves that are unique and interesting, and if they're so impractical as to be totally competitively unviable, that doesn't ruin it for me. If anything it just makes it more fun to try to use it, despite it being literally a terrible idea. It's the only charm of some moves like metronome, which is never (never?) a good move to use competitively but is a really fun concept and can be really satisfying when dumb stuff happens when you use it. I love using it in playthroughs just for fun. I'm always in favour of pokémon making new funky moves like this, I don't care if they work or not it's just fun :)

[@hiwrenhere]

Powder is an amazing move for early gym leaders to have. It shows up in blaze black 2 redux and it's the best fucking thing to get knee capped by.

[@Fresh_Knight]

I wish powder worked on more types like maybe electric as well, just the ultimate parry

[@dancingllama2392]

Coalossal has a signitre move called tar shot witch is pretty weird. Lowers speed and doubles damage from fire moves. I don't think I've ever seen anybody except me use it tho.

[@numbcube6729]

If you do a follow up, I always thought tar shot was neat, or even perish song. Even though myself and a friend thought we knew how it worked, we kept failing to make a good set up for it haha Other move suggestions would be wake up slap and Smelling salts or even sparkling aria... moves that cure the possible enemy's status... why would we want to do that?

[@edgargaebolg9307]

Wake-up Slap and Smelling Salts benefit from more power at the expense of removing the status, and Sparkling Aria can remove burns from Guts users. I guess they can also be an alternate healing in doubles if you use them on a statused ally that'd receive little damage from those attacks

[@werh227]

"I predict you will use Stealth Rock" omg Articuno is so mystical

[@skullgrunt457]

I remember stacking up on fire weak mons in gen 7 vgc and powdered zard-Ys and gave myself free turns

[@omlett6482]

powder is probably the funniest way to counter specs torkoal eruption

[@bdellovibrioo5242]

I was not prepared for "Powder."

[@shylar763]

I've actually encountered someone in gen 9 Ranked that was using the pledge moves

[@kokokocho]

yes i would like to see a follow up

[@ronburgendy179]

I actually ran powder vivillion in battle tower and casual matches in X and Y. Easy to abuse NPCs with and even caught players off guard most of the time. Pretty easy to follow up with KO on most fire types after the 25% life loss

[@skyethemin4922]

I miss snatch so so much, my preferred move aganist buff up monkeys and mat throw in triples

[@mew8703]

I won a battle on showdown with a strange clutch, my team was getting swept but then i used attract with exploud and just reverse swept.

[@alexanderstilianov]

Can you do "Uncatholic Moves in Pokémon" next?

[@remyxie1353]

I think powder actually has had usage in vgc in the past, against stuff like mega charizard Y

[@kandyeggs]

Snatch was a fun one, if you don’t already have it in your list for part two 👀

[@itzhamison1591]

Powder would be sick as a secondary effect on a good move I think

[@joshmickelson3872]

I feel like Gastro acid and purify fit the criteria for this list as well. I don’t know if Gastro acid is still in the game, as it got completely outclassed by weezing

[@MrMcreethan]

My favorite signature move powder, on my favorite form mon vivvilon

[@Pudcup]

Please make a follow up.

[@DavidWalker-hw6co]

I'd like to see another video

[@Nosretep]

I think Pledge Moves should be added to every UB,Legendary or Mythical who are either Fire,Water, or Grass types(Ogrepon gets all three). And it should work on the what ever the highest offensive stat is.

[@DemyrNox]

I love Powder so much

[@SakhotGamer]

Powder is the exclusive move of gen6 pure hackmons mega scizor, who punishes v-creates like no other fire weak mon does

[@tube2003]

At least 1 more video...plz do more 😢

[@unbannablebanjo3744]

When DLC 2 dropped I actually used a Water Pledge Empoleon and Grass Pledge Rillaboom set to... shocking success. Quartering your entire enemy's speed is great, especially if you're able to get a knock out with the original attack

[@unbannablebanjo3744]

Dang I might've been the low ELO warrior who knocked you out lmao

[@brieoconnor9824]

I would like to let you know that i would like to see a follow up

[@RRRR-jr1gp]

Yo if powder was on a good mon in VGC it would go kinda crazy, like it would totally null Chi Yu because it couldn't use fire type moves out of fear of getting powdered

[@Ragnarok8864]

Magic/Wonder room seem pretty unorthodox (I did not know they even existed until last week)

[@PoisonFlower765]

Okay, I love Powder and therefore I have two buffs for it: 1- Increase it's damage from a set 25% to 120 Special Bug damage. 2- Make it occur whenever a Pokémon on the field uses a Fire type move, resulting a Flinch on the Powdered 'mon if it moves after the Fire type attack. If the Powdered 'mon is the one that used the Fire type move, it works as normal, cancelling the attack.

[@PrinceSilvermane]

I kept falling prey to Annihilape Final Gambit recently so the technique is still definitely alive and well.