A Profile of Lucy: When the Golden Rule Works (and Fails)

[@DrMustacho]

Lucy Is your blind playtrough Maximus is your second evil playtrough you can't fully commit to Ghoul is the character you return to every couple of months

[@SomeBuddy555]

im maximus then

[@brya9681]

Maximus dint do anything evil ...

[@DrMustacho]

@@brya9681 because he didn't commit

[@Es-zb8vu]

@@brya9681 He was literally about to kill his scribe at one point, bro apparently only watches the show through youtube.

[@UnderPurpleStarlight]

​@@brya9681ummmmmm. I'm gonna stay far away from you. 😂

[@Aurora2097]

Lucy was perfect as the introducing pov character, just like the Ghoul was the perfect bridge between past and future. Concepts that work very well for the shows writing.

[@benjthorpe]

Love that you can almost hear her failing the speech checks

[@ToniJ-ol8bg]

Dang spot on to put it like that, come to think of it now.

[@balrogdahomie]

I know it’s not how it works in fallout, but I can hear the Disco Elysium dice-rolling shatter noise

[@Boomken76]

The Ghoul that thanks her for saving him at the organ shop is at the NCR when Lucy gets there, you can see him seeing her & tell someone it was her that freed them

[@johnbert974]

I'm thinking this will play out as her being know in the ghoul community as someone they can trust. just a thought.

[@tiegom4ximus]

Like the lone wanderer did

[@11epicnoob]

[Lucy has gained Karma]

[@Bedevere]

[Everyone Liked That]

[@burblesmurge]

thats actually pretty cool, they had to get the most out of doing his makeup i guess

[@callofthewild9175]

"The Wasteland has its own Golden Rule: Thou will get sidetracked by some random bullshit every time." Best line ever.

[@Nobody-11B]

100% a w comment

[@SharkDeschain]

I really like Lucy as a character. She very well could have come off as very annoying, but I find her to be very endearing. I always feel so sorry for her during the bridge scene. After Max is forced to kill the fiends, the way her eyes well up with tears and that broken "WHY" she yells out is so sad. She is trying so hard, but the wasteland just isn't cooperating with her. I really hope she is able to keep true to herself during the second season, but I'm also eager to see how she grows now she is traveling with Cooper, and is really starting to come to terms with out to survive on the surface.

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

What's ironic with Hank destroying Shady Sands was founded by Vault 15, something that Vault Tec wanted, their Vaults rebuilding civilization, and in the case of 15, they built one of the few stable nations after the war, and Hank probably dealt the deathblow to them, because he was taught they'd "have no competition"

[@chriszhang1660]

Vault 15 would be an enemy in the eyes of Vault 31. Just go to the Ox clip about “the Great Game”.

[@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102]

Vault-Tec's philosophy about management was so effective the managers were competing against each other. 😂

[@ttgexe]

May the best man win is literally a quote in the show

[@pmpowalisz]

@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102Vault-15 and Shady Sands was not part of the management experiment, and the Shady Sands founders probably did what did without orders without orders from Vault-Tec (or their Enclave masters). If Hank got the orders from anyone to destroy Shady Sands, it was likely the Enclave.

[@chengkuoklee5734]

Yes, it was founded by vault dweller, but no it was tainted and not pure because it was founded by vault dweller WITH surface dwellers.

[@KnightsofTuveHall]

Ella P. nailed her role as a high charisma, positive karma vault dweller. Love what she did sooooo much, especially playing off Walton Goggins! What a cast! Soooo good!

[@derekmay9717]

I actually love the okey dokie from Lucy. It’s her personality. And the show just touched on everything we know of the wasteland.

[@Dilligff]

More than that, her cute little catchphrase is the affirmation of what makes her character so strong. Adaptability. Robo Bob, when he uses the term "makes lemonade" in his monologue to Norm is alluding to the phrase "when life gives you lemons, make lemonade". I have to wonder if there is a part of Hanks pride in Lucy that isn't strictly a fathers love for his daughter, and is in fact the Vault Tec employee seeing the near penultimate result of a 200+ year long experiment coming to fruition.

[@UnknownUnknown-xf6lo]

These comments are a good reminder that the average IQ in America is 90. God help us all.

[@someguy1865]

​​@@UnknownUnknown-xf6lothe comments talking about a fictional show based on a fictional based game?

[@spacey1398]

@@UnknownUnknown-xf6loYou know people who aren’t American use KZbin? Right??

[@spacey1398]

@@UnknownUnknown-xf6lookay the one person who didn’t know what eugenics was might’ve been American

[@gemaster14]

The ghoul also covered for Lucy after she destroyed the organ harvesting operation. The “governmint” gang arrests the ghoul for shooting up the operation and not only does he not correct them, he agrees that he did it. He could have told them about Lucy’s actions and he didn’t. That was the moment where I started to wonder if he was going to have a redemption arc.

[@saltymisfit6566]

Imagine finding out that you were living in basically a Utopia then your dad shows up takes you and your brother away and then go to the genocidal Maniac route and wipes out 34,000 people

[@sully.mathis]

incorrect use of the word genocide that not only misrepresents hank's character but also diminishes the severity of genocide.

[@candyh4284]

@@sully.mathis I'd argue the contrary, honestly. If you're talking about how there has to be systemic and cultural aspects that make up a genocide, a dehumanization, a ghettoization, a layered system of law, etc. then I would point out that the very nature of VaultTec, Vaults, and the Wastelanders makes it genocide. There WERE these cultural aspects! Vault-dwellers were incredibly classist to wastelanders, and it's undeniably a remnant of the old world enclave, which is explicitly genocidal in the scholarly sense of the term. This is all evident through how much Lucy changes throughout her experience in the surface world, you see something that looks very much like a deradicalization in her character arc. She, like the Buddha, left the gates and saw suffering, and it ignited her fire. She began to understand surface dwellers not as enemies and Others, but as just sorta people. Even the ones with the fucked up faces and the radiation problems, and even the dipshit brains in jars. That's what it looks like when someone who was raised into a cult gets out of it, and all genocides are occult in nature.

[@hinasakukimi]

@@sully.mathis we found hank's alt account

[@hinasakukimi]

it's so sad. and hank saying he did it for them must make lucy feel so guilty (even though it's obviously not her or norm's fault whatsoever). maybe this is a stretch but it kind of reminds me of veronica's story in new vegas. how she was faced with the prospect of everyone being murdered no matter where she went unless she tucked her tail and went back home. there's a lot of juicy angst potential 🍿🍿

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@sully.mathis34,000 people perishing in a single instance is quite an accurate definition of that word.

[@feloniouseve]

I love how Hank used a shovel during the vault raid. Classic Fallout.

[@Mewling1]

Do you know hank is Donald love from Gta 3 😂

[@g.vanimations700]

I was genuinely surprised on how much I liked and empathized with Lucy as a character, I was full on expecting the show to make Lucy an idiot just because she is “bubbly and awkward” a happy go lucky character with no layers whatsoever. Imagine my surprise when I watched her journey as a protagonist and looked at her rise against the odds all the while maintaining her core beliefs at heart, showing what her character flaw was since the start, she wasn’t dumb, nor stupid, Lucy was naive, naivety is VERY different from stupidity. She literally grew under a rock, under a lie, a fantasy that she full heartedly believed and carved her as a person. What I genuinely love about her is her resilience, her beliefs get beat and dragged down every single spot of dirt in the wasteland and throughout all that she gets back up again. If I had suffered even a fourth of what Lucy suffered, I very much doubt I would have the strength to get back up and maintain my values as a person. Sure, she grows, she isn’t naive anymore at the end of season 1, but she’s still her, she’s still Lucy. I want to be like her, I want to be as strong as her, I want to know that even if I suffer, even if I’m likely to not gain anything in return, even if the world is against my belief as a good person, I want to be a good person, and I want to believe that people can still be able to give kindness.

[@Paddythelaad]

here here, sounds like you're a good person.

[@marcturmel924]

Lucy is a great character, I found her very endearing!

[@ah1rooivalk]

Indeed

[@TheAllSeeingEye2468]

She's very real

[@jefferycrouch4396]

I really enjoyed watching her playthrough :)

[@dantewilliams2757]

I thought I would hate her but instead she became my favorite character

[@candyh4284]

@@TheAllSeeingEye2468 YEAAH i got that too, the actress is incredible.

[@frankwest5388]

Vault tech treating their Dwellers, like how I treat characters in a managment sim. Only keep those with optimized stats, kick you the rest and then use those good stats to breed for a super minion.

[@hanssagmeister8173]

Like fallout shelter?

[@RealBradMiller]

Congratulations! You have learned how eugenics works. *Would you like to know more?*

[@Scyth0r]

@@RealBradMiller Eugenics is a classic case of a fundamentally ok idea completely ruined by human nature. We already do it naturally. Try to pick partners with traits that appeal to us. Try to eliminate inherited diseases and illnesses through genetic testing (and now CRISPR genetic alteration). Try to make each generation healthier, smarter and 'better' than the one before, through education, nutrition and general social improvement. All of those things are eugenics. The problem is that there's always someone who comes along with their own list of what the "correct" traits should be, tries to enforce that list on everyone else, and from there it's straight down into a pit of horror.

[@candyh4284]

​@@RealBradMiller Like that bit from the TFS dub of Hellsing Ultimate where Alucard phases through a wall and goes "Hey kids wanna see a dead body!?"

[@marcusmiller5443]

Pinky is actually the 'man behind the curtain'. Pinky...from Pinky and the Brain? "What are we going to do, today, Pinky?!"😂

[@TheZeratulsan]

What's ironic about Hank nuking the NCR is that it's not strictly people the survived the apocalypse, but also people from other vaults, just not 31-33.

[@hengineer]

that may be true, but if they aren't being "led" by a Vault-Tec representative then its still not the "ideal solution".

[@petrsimi]

Yes, he destroyed vault-tec first success after war.

[@candyh4284]

@@hengineer ^^^. I think the mistake here is believing that there's any sort of optimism in the mission of vaulttec, it's ultimately just authoritarian economic control and anything that they'll say is something carefully calculated as pretext and rationalization for moves toward that end. This is ultimately what brings about the bombs in 2077, anyhow, no?

[@hengineer]

@@candyh4284 of course, and moves like what Hank made aren't for retribution torwards his wife, but more for taking out the competition. And I kinda wonder if there is Vault on Vault competition.

[@11epicnoob]

Fun Fact! The characters (Ghoul, Lucy, Max, and a few others) are in the game Fallout Shelter. You can actually check their 'canon' stats (it's a spin-off so grain of salt is needed) to see what makes them SPECIAL

[@PowerCatto]

The fact that Moldaver just wanted to bring lights into the world was just sad when she activated the machine and lights going through the ruins like blood in veins going through our body, tore me.

[@Dudemon-1]

She was a nasty, brutal murderer. Like Maximus said, "Everyone wants to save the world; they just disagree on how."

[@johniephillips9267]

In a way, Lucy helped the ghoul reclaim his sense of human decency. He’s not quite there yet, but will be soon enough.

[@andrewmosser6675]

Yeah, and that what probably going to get him killed is showing humanity because he lasted for 200 years, being a monster

[@testfire3000]

Lucy is now a Legendary Character available in Fallout Shelter where they give her the stats of S 4; P 7; E 6; C 5; I 6; A 5; L 7 Which kinda makes sense. If her Charisma was an eight like Oxhorn suggests, then she should succeed in more of her speech/persuasion checks, but she doesn't. Of course a big part of that is also that she is low level compared to The Ghoul, so (going by Fallout 3 & NV rules) she hasn't had time to put many points into building up her speech skill.

[@diskeyes]

Funny that like a new player her stats are pretty even across the board instead of being specialized

[@hinasakukimi]

yeah i think her charisma skill is so debated by fans because you can either take it as her being socially awkward + low charisma or high charisma but low level or with a vault dweller-specific debuff. i'm personally leaning more toward the latter. although it'd be hilarious if in s2 lucy turns up at a new vegas casino looking drop dead gorgeous and just continually blunders her way through every conversation. our cringefail-black widow

[@Pepe-ts9ec]

@@hinasakukimi She’s always going to look gorgeous no matter what ;)

[@SilentSpringzzz]

Seem shes just all 5 to me with str4 cause woman. Being educated doesn’t mean ur smart just look at college students. Shes mostly seem naive to me. If anything i suppose she has high luck cause plot armor. I mean she got f by a raider 😂

[@hinasakukimi]

@@SilentSpringzzz fallout doesn't really differentiate between academic intelligence and other types of intelligence, that's more DND with intelligence + wisdom stats. so i would argue lucy is fairly intelligent by game standards even if she's lacking in street smarts. obviously not nearly as intelligent as her brother tho

[@thatrealba]

Since Bud's Buds were Junior Managers, one wonders where all the Executives are.

[@hengineer]

According to the show, somewhere in the Mojave Desert. I literally just started playing myself, and now that I think about it.....would Vault 21 be it? Where else would the Head and CEO of RobCo industries hole himself up in? Maybe the lower levels aren't completely filled with concrete and are only "sealed" off?

[@RealBradMiller]

@@hengineer 😯

[@_earlyworm]

@@hengineermr house was never a vault dweller

[@BababooeyGooey]

@@hengineer That explains why Lucy's dad traveled all the way to New Vegas. He's trying to get in touch with the big wigs.

[@darrekworkman5595]

​@@hengineerNo way. Mr. House wasn't exactly in bed with vault tec. They both played their own games and only worked together under limited specific conditions. Yeah they had some dealings, but he wasn't under their thumb.

[@paladin-ksai7667]

ngl, i love the way they wrote this show. likable characters are likable, and everyone has issues. there's no Mary sue in the show and i love it. i'm eagerly waiting for season 2

[@andrewdemarco3512]

closest to a mary sue would be the ghoul, but hoenstly him living through 200 years of wasteland environment he would have to be a badass just to survive, so when he takes out a room for of armored BoS I'm like "yeah, that tracks, he's probably level 30 by now"

[@paladin-ksai7667]

@@andrewdemarco3512 that's the thing, he's not a mary sue. Mary sue is when a character touches a weapon for the first time and has mastery over it and can do everything the previous master could. Ghoul is a seasoned veteran, he seen some shit and clearly learned a lot about fighting.

[@andrewdemarco3512]

@@paladin-ksai7667 that's fair, but none of that is shown on screen, so that might be people's first reaction to him until they learn his backstory, then it makes perfect sense

[@paladin-ksai7667]

@@andrewdemarco3512 I mean, he's a ghoul. They're all 200 or more. But yeah, for someone new to the fallout series it might look like he's just another Mary Sue until they find out that he's 200 years old and effectively immortal and can only die by getting shot

[@DarkMoonStarsong]

I love how this show doesn't portray people as good or evil. They all have their issues and reasons why they are the way they are. Wasteland is tough and can bring the best and worst out of people. They do what they feel is right, even if it's wrong in other people's eyes. I can't wait for season 2.

[@ThatGUY666666]

I think the next step for Lucy's evolution will be for her to kill someone. If you do not count the rad-roaches, her only kills were the feral ghoul in the Super Duper Mart and her mother who was also a feral ghoul. The first instance was self-defense and both instances were mercy killings. I believe that it was not just the fact that Hank is her father that stopped Lucy from killing him, though I obviously believe that played a part, but it also had to do with how she was raised and the values she holds which makes the very idea of taking a life abhorrent to her. And I think it would be interesting to see her struggle to reconcile that value with the unfortunate necessities of the wasteland. One thing I would love to see happen with Lucy as her story progresses is for her to help inspire people, bring them together, and over time it helps restore the New California Republic. Lucy lived her life before leaving the vault believing that Vault-Tec and their supposed plans were the best hope for humanity, it is what kept her and the other residents going. And while highly flawed, I think the NCR can fairly be described as "the best hope for humanity" at least on the west coast. It would also be poetic that her father dashed that hope and for her to renew it.

[@millerrepin4452]

Lucy another NCR trooper needs your help let me mark it on your map

[@ThatGUY666666]

@@millerrepin4452 Hopefully it will be less...tedious than that

[@CarlosColon-m7i]

No wonder why Mr house filled the lower level of vault 21 with concrete.

[@Charazardboi]

Dear god

[@zhulikkulik]

Hooooooly shhhhhh That would actually make sense....

[@chengri1935]

What does that mean I didn't get it

[@Eshcole]

@@chengri1935 If vault 4 did that, there wouldn't have been a problem. lol

[@TheBlackEventorizon]

Can you elaborate? I don't get it...

[@supermstash29]

“If my dad found out I destroyed an entire community just to save him… it would break his heart” Megaton called they want their bomb unexploded

[@andreasamardzija1496]

I'm impressed by Moldaver's ability to make raiders act semi-normal for a couple hours.

[@Dr.Beam_likes_Fallout]

Norm has to have 10 in intelligence and the small frame trait

[@deniser9625]

And probably a 10 In perception

[@Dr.Beam_likes_Fallout]

I never thought I would get this many likes but I just want to say thank y'all I usually don't many likes and this just makes my day so just thank y'all and a good day

[@Maddoktor2]

@@Dr.Beam_likes_Fallout Dude, when you're right, you're right.

[@Dr.Beam_likes_Fallout]

Wdym?

[@jamesfischer2427]

While the Bud's Buds program may be producing "Good Managers" according to Bud's definition, it is not producing the best managers. The best managers teach those around them to be self-motivated and capable members of the team. This system is producing people who are compliant and follow instructions (except of course Lucy and Norm). If Bud's Buds was working as it should, the residents of Vault 33 would have been capable of defending themselves.

[@djx7134]

Seemed almost like it was supposed to produce two separate and distinct pools: 1. people like Lucy, who, while positive, are also capable of making their own decisions, and 2. people like the two wannable overseer guys, who may have booksmarts but mostly just follow orders with a smile and rarely ask questions. Norm would be the type they'd want to avoid: unmotivated yet independent-minded people who prefer to challenge the status quo. Overall, Bud's buds was destined to fail because it's quite unrealistic, but I understand what he was trying to achieve.

[@Scyth0r]

They do make it pretty clear that Bud is....well....kind of a moron. They're producing the Fallout version of what they say ideal corporate managers are 'on paper'. Idealistic, co-operative and communal, relentlessly postitive and completely oblivious to the darker aspects of human nature. The hypocrisy between what people proclaim and actual reality is a recurrent Fallout theme. Vault 33 is what you get when you breed people to try and match the 'on paper' ideal in the real world.

[@candyh4284]

I don't think they were supposed to, right? It was supposed to be a three-layered caste, 31 as the upper echelon managers, 32 as the farmers and laborers, and 33 as the breeding stock/cannon fodder(?), was how I was seeing it

[@liammitchell2540]

13:52 I think it’s absolutely hysterical that she looks to the concept of the vault boy as a sort of moral compass but then when she meets the actual real life vault boy he couldn’t possibly be different.

[@WormholeJim]

I like how the holo-background in the atrium during the raider attack is showing a scenic, golden wheatfield spread out beneath the revolving plume of a detonating nuclear device very apt for a harvest-themed Vault communal party😂

[@blazzmatazz9051]

The golden rule? "It's ok when it's in a three-way. It's not gay when it's a three-way. With a honey in the middle, there's leeway. The areas grey in a one, two, three-way."

[@garrettadams9846]

Normally, I don't get down with dudes...

[@frankcap2505]

Can't tell where she ends and my friend begins

[@WestSideGorilla1980]

Golden rule is not crossing swords.

[@scottieray]

I just noticed the baby skeleton in the scene in the house. I do like that there is depth in the characters and how closely the atmosphere mimic the games. Bud's Buds sounds ridiculous...but it is also exactly what you would find in a Fallout game.

[@chzybean]

Lucy has made me painfully aware of how often I say the word "Okey-dokey" when expressing a can-do attitude.

[@WalkinStereotype]

Of the normal dwellers, yes the vault dwellers made to be subservient are not fighting or taking initiative. Yeah, we see a vault security guard in one scene. You ever think, I dunno, that the scenes later in the fight with more security coming into the background possibly meant more security was fighting elsewhere? We’re just seeing small parts of the vault here as we focus on the main cast. Come on Ox, you can catch this sort of stuff

[@jamesnguyen8540]

I totally agree, we also have to consider the education and brainwashing they have done to make the dwellers subservient. Conditioned to be prepared against visible threats, instead of surprise attacks like the raiders impersonating vault 32 dwellers. Lucy is far better conditioned as a result of her upbringing and the efforts we learn about earlier in the first episode. She takes a more active stance most likely because she is the child of the overseer of vault 33, this creates a mindset of being a better example and leader to her fellow vault dwellers. You could say she thrives on responsibility and Norm responds better to mysteries.

[@BenC460]

What do you think the characters' D&D alignments would be? I would say Lucy is lawful good. Maximus is chaotic good. And Cooper is chaotic neutral. Hank would be lawful evil.

[@hinasakukimi]

i agree with lucy and hank, although i'd place maximus as chaotic neutral and cooper as neutral evil. maximus is greyer than lucy and can power trip a little (understandably). but that's why i think neutral works... his goodness or badness is very situational. cooper, meanwhile, *did* sell lucy to have her organs harvested. for his own survival, yes, but by that point only his survival and goal matters. he doesn't even consider other people to be human (walton goggins said that's how cooper views lucy, at first). whether or not you agree he's evil, i definitely think the neutral column fits him most. he just puts on a chaotic front to instil fear in others. that said, they're probably both hovering between alignments somewhat (tho maybe that's a cop out lol). cooper mostly acts out of self-interest for a purpose, not just wanton sadism, and he is still capable of feeling remorse/disgust with himself. and maximus just needs some kindness/stability in his life. he has the potential to be what a true 'knight' should be, not whatever the BOS thinks knights are.

[@candyh4284]

I think Lucy starts lawful good but shifts to neutral good during the series. I (full disclosure have been spoiled, but have been holding out on watching 7&8, so sorry if i miss smth) think Coop's chaotic good. The worst things I can think about are the cannibalism (from a ghoul who he just mercy killed as kindly as he could, having him think about foods he liked, before he turned feral), distrusting his wife (which he was right about, to be perfectly fair), and the general sort of bounty hunting, philandering (non-sexually, i think?) crap we all do in the fallout games. It's what the games are, really, is just taking bounties en route to your overarching goal. The worst thing about the cannibalism, to be honest, was that he didn't cook it first, for two reasons: 1) as someone who's survived the wasteland for two centuries now, he should know that you get FAR more caloric mileage out of cooked food as opposed to raw, and 2) at this point he had ostensibly no reason to injure Lucy (besides preparing her for "Hey its bad out here and you're in a vault suit, you gotta drink gross water and stuff") and raw meat from wasteland animals is always radiated, especially ghouls for crying-out-loud. Max on the other hand I would argue has the most complex moral arc, going from lawful good as a kid, to lawful neutral as a scribe through when he stops impersonating Titus to whats-his-nuts the bully, at which point he's back to lawful good, then through the sort of "Act II and III" episodes, slides dramatically away from the lawful, and then by the end hits chaotic good.

[@jamesnguyen8540]

The only lawful people in fallout are people who have no rules to follow.

[@kirakoraawesome]

Cooper is CHAOTIC GOOD?? Did we watch the same show??? ​@@candyh4284

[@andrewdemarco3512]

@@candyh4284 that';s BS, to quote the gamers "you are evil, and a wh-re". Selling lucy off for organs was a decidedly evil act, and so was using her as bait in a radiated river.

[@lilmansmokie3077]

You were the reason why I started getting to fall out. Fallout where the best memory of my life, but I have moved onto other games like elite dangerous but now and again I’ll jump on fallout four or fallout 76 for fallout three and relive those memories

[@speedy7892]

I wonder what Hank would think if he discovered that Shady Sands and the NCR were founded by dwellers from Vault 15, doing what he was supposed to do with rebuilding America

[@cameronheaton9900]

Assumign they care, all Valut tech care for is protecting their own vaults because they believe themselves more important.

[@millerrepin4452]

Each vault was supposed to have a different philosophy. So may the best vault win and all that.

[@MangoLeaf9103]

Actually, Ox horn, if you go into the Fallout Shelter game, Lucy becomes an available character to earn for your vault in a limited edition quest line. Once you see her stats, it would become easier to get a good idea how she handles herself out there

[@chriszhang1660]

Like what, luck?

[@charongold6532]

Indeed and so does The Ghoul, Maximus, Ma June and Snakeoil Salesman become avalable.... OH and a bunch of more popular characters from games.

[@hinasakukimi]

i think those stats were randomly chosen tbh lol

[@DerpindKhersion]

I Love the Fact that Lucy's Following of the Golden Rule Ends up Saving her several times

[@flynnoldman3542]

Norm is the 4th main protagonist of the show that no one talks enough about.

[@hengineer]

one of Oxhorn's first videos is about Norm

[@flynnoldman3542]

@@hengineer Yeah. I seen that one. The only other videos I've seen talking about Norm are by Noggin Movement.

[@jiffypoo5029]

Norm would be perfect for a small frame sneak/hacker/melee assasin build. Give him the Blitz perk in season 2 and let him teleport around killing people in stealth. :D

[@Christian-ve1wi]

I am so glad that there's a fallout tv show because thr big O himself can create these amazing character profiles. Loving every episode thank you 😊

[@weeg2141]

Big O survived the war in a underwater vault off the coast of Seattle

[@candyh4284]

@@weeg2141 reverse admiral Zhao

[@Felttipfuzzywuzzyflyguy]

Lucy is such a well crafted character.

[@seanoconnor3164]

You put Hank's motivations there as a belief in Vault Tec, When I saw that scene, I saw a narcissist that couldn't accept his wife taking his kids and leaving him. Just like we see every day here in the real world. I don't think this takes away from your theory, I think it adds to it. He was all that and a narcissist on top of it.

[@seanoconnor3164]

He killed all those people because he just couldn't accept it.

[@RiceChrispy0527]

0:04 oh, I know, because they're all raised to be management. Management doesn't get their hands dirty like that.

[@ruben_zermeno]

I think I would put Lucy a 6 or even a 7 in Luck. Because she managed to free herself from the wheel bed that she was tied back in the Super Market. But she did it accidentally when she kicked Mr. Handy's saw, and she had a lot of luck to manage to kick that saw, without making Mr. Handy cut another part of her body. So there were high possibilities that Lucy would end up dying and losing brutally her organs, if it wasn't for a good chunk of luck.

[@capsfederation3154]

i tried breeding super soldiers in fallout shelter. i couldnt get past the third generation before everyone started enjoying leisure time with family members

[@User-qp6cw]

...Like the normal type or the Alabama Vault type?

[@annavanwormer970]

Watching the show was so fun because the first time Lucy said okie dokie I was like hey that’s awesome. See I’ve been saying that for years was nice to feel represented in the show because my first ever play through was very much similar to how Lucy moves through the wasteland.

[@b.h.7430]

Just walked out to the porch after doing some chores..heard the birds and saw the green grass and blue skies and thought to myself "wow this is what it's all about" then open up my phone and continue "AND Oxhorn dropped the Lucy video!" 😂😂

[@jc_art_]

Yet another nice summer day ruined by the horrors of nuclear war 😔

[@kaala7939]

I've seen the episode where the raiders attack the vault twice now and only just noticed in this video the security guy grabs the raiders leg or trips him when he charges at Chet.

[@BO-D222]

Thoughtful breakdown. Well done. It's my opinion that Fallout is a landmark project of social commentary similar to pre-wwII films of the last century. Spot on writing and story development. Best I've seen in years. Never played the game.

[@RetroPsych]

The fact that this show gave someone as detail oriented as Oxhorn to make more excellent content shows how fucking awesome this show turned out to be.

[@loreenahansen9776]

“Raided by the raiders masquerading” is an underrated bar

[@drewhowardentertainment954]

I see Lucy becoming the show's Sarah Lyons. A fierce, intelligent warrior leading an elite squad.

[@sirkingjamz101]

When I first watched this show Lucy gave me a real "Players first time" vibe to her. When she started it was all Vault tec this Vault tec that as to be like the player tying to play the "lore" of the game, then by the end of the season she had the fell of a 40 hours in game vibe. Near the end like you mentioned here she realized HOW to survive the wasteland vs trying to fix it. Great video

[@Foreign501st]

14:45. Am I the only one who thought she looked like Cricket from Fallout 4 when they first saw her? Yellow hood and blue beanie below the hood, redish eye shadow, pale skin, cracked lips. My first time seeing her, I legitimately thought it was Cricket.

[@mithvibes4727]

me too lol i was like "wait that's the the the the person the trader girl crickey"

[@Foreign501st]

@@mithvibes4727 A part of me wants to make it headcanon that it really is Cricket. She was obviously on some chems or something in FO4 and I'm imagining she ended up taking a bit too many chems and it drove her into becoming a fiend and traveling West to where the Fiends in New Vegas were, only to find out that once she got there the fiends were wiped out, (by the Courier, obviously) so she decided to continue West and ended up in California where she found another fiend who escaped the wrath of the courier and they ended up traveling together. But that's just an idea I cooked up on the spot. I really liked Cricket in FO4 and I wouldn't want that to be her fate.

[@testfire3000]

They definitely made her look similar. That was no accident.

[@jc_art_]

​@@Foreign501sti might be mistaken, but isnt new vegas in California? Atleast in the fallout universe?

[@Foreign501st]

@@jc_art_ I legit can't tell if that's a trick question or not. If you're not from the USA, then I can understand. But no, New Vegas is set in the state of Nevada, even in the Fallout universe. The real life "New Vegas" is called "Las Vegas." It's one of the most popular places in the US, for good and bad.

[@michaeljebbett160]

Thanks to Fallout Shelter, wr actually know the SPECIAL stats for the three protags.

[@alexjackson936]

They did so well with so many aspects of this show. Lucy was excellently written imo,

[@Brando216]

Ive noticed I've been saying Okie Dokie more lately

[@mantistobogganm.d.3648]

Haha same without even realising I said it

[@A5H_01]

I’ve always said it, but now when I say it I always think of Lucy 😂 such a great character

[@ah1rooivalk]

Ive noticed I can identify Normie non gamers who watched the Show from them saying Okie Dokie.

[@jc_art_]

Okie dokie (or oki doki) is just a really fun and friendly way to say "Ok", which is useful when talking online because so many versions of ok sound condescending or slightly aggressive or annoyed. Cant reply to someone with "ok" because it feels like you dont care. Cant reply to someone with "okay" because it feels like you're annoyed. So the good solution is something positive and fun, like "oki" or "okie dokie". Its also just fun to read

[@CrigaggleMmm]

👌

[@buritobomb]

Not only do I love oxhorn, and his channel. I am beyond appreciative that the show has fueled his comeback!!!

[@Steel-101]

I’m just gonna say it, she’s beautiful and adorable lol 😂. I love the way she says “okey dokey”. I laugh every time. The actress(Ella Purnell) is really cool too. I like it when both the character and the actor have good attitudes.

[@A5H_01]

Ella Purnell is a rare treasure. Love her so much

[@breadloafing3255]

She's such a dedicated actress too, having played Fallout so that she can better study for her role. ❤

[@Steel-101]

@@A5H_01 forgot her name for a minute. Thank you. I’m terrible with names lol 😂.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@breadloafing3255Maybe she needs to go back and rerun the games because she doesn’t understand Fallout at all.

[@markmulkey2730]

Seems to me that the people from vault 31 were more than likely vets. There would have been a lot of them running around and coming from a world where they had just fought off an invasion would give them a world view that would lead them to fighting for their home. This would explain how hank knows how to use power armor and where the bases of their weapons training comes from.

[@aud2d2]

And even if they weren’t, I could see Bud’s Buds training program including at least some basic combat/arms training

[@jamesnguyen8540]

I like to ask if Lucy or Norm were an only child, would they be able to go as far as they did? I do not since either one would have been forced to fit into the mold that the vault 33 dwellers decided upon them. I don't think Lucy would be independent without Norm being fine as an outcast in vault 33. Norm would not have the confidence and courage to challenge the worldview of vault 33 without Lucy's support. The only way I could see them being much better than the others in vault 33 was simply because they have each other. I don't believe their father would be as supportive of Norm like Lucy would have been. I do not think Lucy would stand against Hank as much as she did if she didn't meet with Norm, Maximus, and Vault 4 dwellers. They didn't become the people they are because of the vault, but from each other.

[@samfox5435]

She's obviously got Robotics Expert. lol, and maybe Medic, too.

[@Swanprincesss]

I really hope that they keep Lucy's character good and have her inspire those around her to do good. It is so rare to have a character like that and I feel that just makes you adore her even more.

[@akheron7671]

Lucy's dad just SAID there is one generation to goal... He simply lied

[@AtlasBear_007]

Oxhorn, this is an INCREDIBLE breakdown. Thank you for your hard work! I'm always so impressed with your videos and have watched hours and hours of your content. Keep up the fantastic work, and again, thank you!

[@TheRabbitsKeeper]

I think this is gonna be a naruto type story line where Lucy just gets better and more balanced, eventually becoming a leader of humanity, rather than a jaded monster mired in their bad choices.

[@TheRabbitsKeeper]

I think the existence of the ghoul in particular nods to this

[@captainjoy8976]

Lucy is the perfect depiction of how you feel and act the first time playing any fallout game tbh. I could relate a lot with her choices and how she tries to solve as much with the least amount of force. That was basically my first play through of the game :D

[@TheMalfestor]

Thank you for the video. I appreciate you describing Lucy's SPECIAL stats.

[@MIAbrandon02]

Oxhorn you the best bro. Your my go to person when it come to fallout

[@MIAbrandon02]

@@raiden72 since you wanna talk about the “USA” it’s people like you that make the USA worse than it is. Hating on somebody you don’t know about their own comment. Stop hating cause you bored or tryna feel good about yourself.

[@Chromatome]

Bud's experiment was really banking on nature over nurture to create his super managers, or in this case nature over actual managerial training.

[@sabatian1138]

This is the best assessment of Lucy's character that I've seen. Thank you.

[@StrangerOnTheWeb]

If the regular vault dwellers are docile wouldn't this imply that one of Lucy's grandparents on her mom's side is also from Vault 31? Since Lucy's mom discovered the truth and escaped with her children, which a normal dweller most likely wouldn't have done, perhaps in order for the experiment to work each generation must breed with someone from 31 to eventually create a super manager?

[@Poormrworry]

when the vault dwellers find out about the experiment they don't handle it well

[@candyh4284]

@@Poormrworry which if you think about it, REALLY, is fucked up of them

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

It just means the other vault dwellers weren’t written as Mary Sues 😂

[@GeekinIreland]

​@rifleshooterchannel208 she doesn't really fit the mold of Mary Sue if you base it off the Mary Sue test. She's regularly overpowered and outdone by others but her strength is that of the Vault player characters Resilience

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

@@GeekinIreland You could change the name of the Mary Sue trope to the Lucy McLean trope and lose none of the meaning. Lucy’s character is a textbook Mary Sue.

[@Splunkmastah]

I love how the clothing of our three characters reflects their inner monologue by the end. Lucy's vault suit is torn and bloodied, but it's still there, her white undershirt stained but still mostly intact. She's been hardened by the wastes, but hasn't forgotten where she came from and makes to attempt to hide that she wants to do good. Maximus's white undershirt mirrors Lucy's. He's ultimately a good person who has done some bad things in the name of survival, but he's also been selfless and makes the choice to do the right thing on several occasions. However, this white shirt is always covered by Brotherhood insignia. His true colors are hidden by the cult he's been assigned to for his entire life. Sometimes his entire being is encased by that brotherhood identity. In the end, he wears the insignia reluctantly, having to hide. The Ghoul's outfit stays the same, because the Ghoul stays the same. The old Coop is still in there, and he pops out every now and then, but there's little place for good men in the wasteland.

[@rezuankhalid5407]

Funny is that in Game Theory that Lucy's level in the whole season 1 was Level 7. Heck if you're the fans of Fallout games there's a Cap level in each installment, In FO3 the level is up to lvl 17, in New Vegas is lvl 20 with the additional all 4 DLCs was maxed cap at 30 similar to Fallout 4. Except in PC version. We're waiting for season 2 for her current level.

[@loka7783]

Question: Who taught Lucy fencing (Big Leagues) in the beginning? Did they help in the defense of the Vault?

[@neverangryman]

Just realized that Cooper was actually kinda her hero her whole life in a way (how she always looks up to the Vault Boy). PS Calling Twitter "X" just sounds wrong, please don't do that 😔

[@TheWiiindfish]

Can't wait for the next seasons, one of the best adaptations and with an original story.

[@tarotreadingsbysteven8545]

I was so worried Lucy would become yet another "boss babe mary sue" but i was pleasantly surprised amd i really like her character. Sure she's moralistic and naive but she ACTUALLY lives by her ideals even when it's inconvenient for her to do so. The scean where Max admits the truth to her was powerful in her character development as she gained the experience to know people in the wasteland are trying to get by the best they can but rather than become bitter or resentful and become just the same she shows that she still values human connection and trust while having immense empathy and compassion.

[@skyluke9476]

I mean it seems like her mom is the one who inspired all the best traits. Courage, kindness, love for all.

[@glitchygamer4666]

That random guy who knew how to fight in the vault was lucy combat teacher i assume? Cus you can see him get taken down by her when she listings off her traits Just a cool fact..😅

[@spirosma]

Since we know who the vault boy is, the vault boy would pull out his Russian sawed off shotgun revolver

[@Scyth0r]

Important point. Hank knows the surface is populated. He also knows the factions still exist. So is his explanation (in EP8), how is he expecting to 'get rid of the factions' within one generation, so Vault 33 can 'recolonise'? Hmm? 🤔 I suspect he knows something. Something like, maybe, there is a shadowy group of people who are nearly ready to finish 'wiping the surface clean' in preparation for compliant Vault dwellers to emerge and work form them. Betting Season 2 shall show more.

[@killianmcfarland5949]

Get this odd feeling yes man's going to have a pivotal role in the next season given that he was reprogrammed to basically listen to anyone

[@Th3Real_Spray]

Love your videos Ox! I think you really nailed her S.P.E.C.I.A.L. stats, and her entire breakdown!

[@DerpindKhersion]

I Hope Lucy's and Maximus's Core Character and Values don't get Corrupted they both have A Mostly Happy Medium

[@jamiecarson6439]

This is a wonderful video and really adds to the tv series ....oxhorn has a brilliant way of expanding the lore like no other ❤

[@littlevenom]

I really would love a scene there Cooper gets some time alone with Buds brain.

[@mattp6089]

Norm's got very high or extreme perception and extreme intelligence I think. He instinctively knows when something is not as it should be, has a thirst for knowledge and is capable of intuitive leaps. Low strength and endurance. Not much charisma. Not sure about his agi or luck though. He might be quite lucky actually. Hiding under a table and his sister turns up at exactly the right time. Yeah, he gets a couple of lucky breaks and with so many low stats he probably needs one more high one. The Ghoul is the tough one. Regardless of his SPECIAL, he's going to have all his skills capped out and a bunch of perks, giving big advantages even if his SPECIAL is lower in the same area.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

I totally missed that vault 31 was filled with people who went through Bud's *Executive training program*, and not actual Vault Tec Executives.

[@Bedevere]

@13:58 "What would the vault boy do?" He makes ass jerky.

[@eneyavorodecky]

My main issue is that people do not understand the difference between nature and nurture and it shows...

[@daviddaniels6645]

I am loving your breakdowns of the show characters. Been watching you many many years, and I'm a local here in Bremerton! Love your videos brother!

[@jamesgrant9779]

The golden rule isn’t meant to be transactional. It’s a principle to be upheld regardless of the reactions of others. It can never be ‘right’ or ‘wrong’, it’s a conviction, a way of life worth dying for rather than being compromised.

[@evolutionsfake]

Your perception is 10 sir! I learned so much that I miss during the TV shows just by watching these.

[@kaltonian]

i think if you enjoy playing any of the fallout games & play with a more realistic play through, you start the game with an intention to stick to whatever believes you have & see them through, but with the decisions & choices presented throughout the game you begin to waver on some choices & decisions, but that's mainly due to the quests given that force you to go against whatever believes you had or have, i would of given Lucy a higher score in endurance, more like a 7 or even an 8, as she is new to the wastelands, but able to keep on or more so has to keep going, for a newbie she has done well, plus she has had some good luck getting by, I am also looking forward to season 2 also as i want to see how they all fare in the long run.

[@sy2823]

I clicked on this video knowing nothing about fallout or this show. i got intrigued a few minutes in and went and watched it. the whole thing. in a day. This show was so amazing, and Lucy was such a compelling character. Lucy using the morals she was taught to realize her father was a bad man reminded me of myself. Growing up my parents made us go to church every sunday, but it was those morals i learned there that made me realize they only wanted my kindness and generosity to be given to them, or people like them. but the thing about being good-- choosing to be good, and kind-- is that it is endless. it is naive to think everyone will return that, but it's a lovely life to live, believing that people are good, deep down. Anyways, thanks for putting me on to this show haha. I'm gonna be thinking of this for ages.

[@highlandoutsider]

I really liked her reaction to, in particular, the junk shop bobblehead. I've always seen the vault boy like the smile the hides the knife, that cheery lil face is like some sick joke when you know what we do about Vault Tec, so to her take strength from him like a quasi religious symbol caught me off guard but obviously given her upbringing makes complete sence.

[@eitan767]

Great video, but i think you misspelled goosey's name in the title