A Rant On "Quiet Quitting" & The Privilege Of Workplace Self-Care

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In this video, Chelsea dives into the "quiet quitting" trend, what it really means, and what it says about our relationship with work.
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[@lalakuma9]

When I worked in fashion design, my senior coworkers (who are 50-60 years old) actually taught me how to basically quiet quit. They suggested that I slow down my work pace so that it doesn't raise unrealistic expectations to how fast I can churn out work (I was a contracted intern/assistant), also because the work never ends. So no, quiet quitting isn't just some Millennial/Gen Z thing. The Boomer workers did it too.

[@wvu05]

Ryan: If we just form a line, we can get finished a lot quicker. Stanley: This is a run out the clock operation.

[@ayanomar1408]

my father is a boomer he clocked in and clocked out. the moment he left his job he used to tell us: that company is not mine so when I clock out I answer no emails or pick up any phonecalls. seeing how erratic my brothers work now I am not really suprised he lasted so long in a job he liked.

[@tamaranatasha5927]

This is so true…….the elder folk used to warn us about making them look bad by going above and beyond

[@Siures]

That’s right. This generation often worked a lot of hours but also set firm boundaries.

[@ashleynoelle7429]

Lazy is timeless and so is low self esteem.

[@wafflestolman-zoepfl3365]

ariana huffington saying people should just find jobs they are passionate about is the most privileged thing ive ever heard.

[@Swiftie10162]

omg, yes. 🤣🤣🤣

[@shartman2150]

Yes! I'm relatively privileged myself and I think it's a ridiculous thing to say. I'm glad this generation is saying no to being taken advantage of!!

[@alejajm1666]

That's the lie millennials were fed. Personally, I think that "work on what you love" is a pretty good way to prime yourself for exploitation.

[@sbg1911]

Oh Ari....does she still live in Montecito?

[@BLONDIANN94]

Also it’s ridiculous and dangerous. If by passionate she means wanting to overperform and work 12 h/d because you like your job, you will eventually burn out and your passion and something you love will turn to hate! And this is sad, and the mental health deterioration will follow. People should start respecting the boundaries. 9 to 5 is already too much for almost any given person, cause our brains don’t work that way. And that other douche said sth about competitors? Wow, so much wrong with that, first, healthy competition is good for your company’s growth, but you just want to monopolize the market to be able to eventually give sub-par service because there is no competition? Second, it’s simply dumb, just because someone closes their pc at 17, or God forbid at 16:55, doesn’t mean they aren’t super productive and profitable for the company. Third, I’m scared of even imagining what kind of toxic environment his company is, because all the waste grows from the head.

[@elena_1776]

I actually didn't know what quiet quitting meant and assumed it meant some form of actual quitting. This is just...doing your job. It kind of blows my mind that hustle culture has gotten so out of hand that literally completing the duties you are paid to perform is now considered "quitting."

[@rba4377]

YESSSSSS ! I worked at place where girls were frequently taking work home when they should not have, the only reason we were tight for time was because the boss wanted to save hiring money while she bought several cars, homes and bussiness on the side. I noticed besides doing the job i was paid to do very well managements looked down at my performance. I approached the girls taking work home and asked them way and asked them to think about the big picture - the boss had the money for extra employees + they were setting other employees doing the job they were paid for to look worse. Luckily they stopped taking work home, I quit, 8 girls quit, the boss had to immediately rehire 8 people then more!

[@brotendo]

Seriously. This is literally just doing your job. Kids today are butthurt that they were going above and beyond with the EXPECTATION that they would be rewarded handsomely for it. That's entitlement. To go beyond your duties at work is a choice--whether it has consequences or not. But expectations--whether justified or not--is entitlement. And look, Chelsea is essentially pandering to her audience now. She has to--this demographic are the legs that her business stands on. She's the finance world's equivalent of "champagne democrats." "Oh boo. Fuck wealthy people." Meanwhile...

[@kiterafrey]

What gets me is how many employers feel like people doing what they are paid for is quitting. My legal service job, our CEO made us do a training on how there is no such thing as work life balance as a response to quit quitting. Then he was shocked that people then truly quit & no one is willing to apply for the now empty leadership roles. Somehow he feels we’re all lazy & unwilling to work because he’s unwilling to pay us even close to the low end of comp jobs.

[@Tiny_Koi]

It was a term invented by the companies that's why they use the word "quiting" because it makes it sound bad.

[@KJ_bluebird]

Same here... I thought it was preparing to quit and then actually quit once you found a new place. In the mean time just doing the bare minimum you can get away with.

[@amandasunshine2]

Anytime anyone says "quiet quitting", I reply "you mean following the law?" Remember kids, it's illegal for your employer to force you to work without pay 👍

[@kaycanadian6193]

Exactly!

[@penname8441]

+

[@asadb1990]

yeah and if the employer pulls the "salary means unpaid ot" you reply with "law also includes reasonable hours as needed and if the need is always, lets discuss raise (or better yet, look elsewhere)".

[@AMindInOverdrive]

The old 'salary' thing gets thrown out there a lot when you negotiate your pay. I always make sure to note "yes, on RARE occasions I will work extra to get an emergency project closed, but 40 hours is all I want to do. I have a wife and want to spend time with her." I always make it clear in interviews...and if they protest, I know they plan to pile work on, so I'm not interested.

[@amandasunshine2]

@@AMindInOverdrive there was this guy talking about his salary job and the time off parts, how he's not paid for that time, and the more and more he talked about his job's policies, the more and more it seemed like a regular hourly job. Just more fun ways employers figure out how to scam us out of free labor 🙄 There are some jobs it makes sense to be salaried. Other jobs, you need a body there for a certain number of hours, sometimes that body needs to be skilled in something in particular.

[@arielgaede3673]

Stole this from someone else but love the phrase "Act your wage"

[@aimemaggie]

exactly. Im so confused how the culture of working 70 hours a week for a salaried job became a thing anyways. work the hours and job your paid for

[@ManUntdForever]

And even then, I highly doubt CEOs are putting in the hours to warrant their massive salaries and bonuses.

[@arielgaede3673]

@@ManUntdForever I completely agree - in that case I would say their wage needs to be reduced to be in line with their actions. Of course, they have a lot more risk in their decisions and if they started the company they probably went a while without actually earning anything so that should be taken into account, but standard CEO wages are grossly inflated.

[@vulpixelful]

@@aimemaggie The only advantage is if time off is paid. That's pretty much what keeps me out of hourly contract work vs salaried, I don't want my paycheck to vary because of sick days or vacations

[@frankbatista.official]

That’s why I always keep telling people not to stop looking for new opportunities.

[@tauIrrydah]

Quiet quitting: Class gaslighting about worker exploitation.

[@sarahbarasch2263]

💯

[@missmoxie9188]

Sigh… here’s my quiet quitting story I was 22 and I worked in a gas station for $9.26 an hour. I was basically the person the manager relied on because her assistant manager could NOT be relied on. For the last two years I basically did the assistant’s job because she was freaking LAZY. I covered ALL the call outs, did ALL the grunt work and hazmat work, I stayed late, etc etc. I hauled some serious a$$ because I wanted the assistant manager job as soon as the current one got sacked. She FINALLY got fired. I was shoo in for that job and everyone in the store expected me to get it too. But go figure the manager decided to give the job to an employee from another location. This other person’s manager had sold her like the cure for cancer to MY manager because she was trying to get rid of her anyway she could. When I asked why she got the job instead of me, the reply was that she was older and truly passionate about her job. (She was 23, I was 22.) So finally, this girl was transferred into our store, and she was WAY WAY worse than the assistant manager who preceded her. Not only did she not do any of her work she barely justified her presence in the building assuming she showed up at all. I decided I was done. After the fourth time this girl called out in her first two weeks at our location, I got the phone call can I come in and cover her shift? I told the manager that was a brazen NO. (Others had covered for her before.) the manager was not used to hearing the word no from me, and needless to say she was aghast. I flat out told her that I was not doing her $11.60 an hour job for my $9.26 an hour. I am not doing assistant manager work for sales associate pay, and if she wants me to shoulder those responsibilities, she has to give me that position. Needless to say this girl was a total disaster. That manager had to put in ridiculous hours just to make up for what she wasn’t doing, and I moved onto greener pastures shortly afterwards. Edit: WOW didn’t expect that to blow up the way it did. I may age myself here but this was 2006. When even low wage jobs were scarce. So I wound up taking a job that was slightly better than this one and returned promises of money and promotions. Either way I finished college a couple years later and moved on to a career that is actually worthwhile. As for the others involved in this story. They’ve been perpetually between jobs since. Hell, breaking your back at a job like this one DOES NOT return the investment.

[@GattlingCombo]

Sounds to me like your boss wanted you to continue doing other people's job for the same, less pay.

[@wvu05]

And that's why hustle culture is a scam, a carrot that you never catch. So sorry that happened to you, but glad that you moved on to better things.

[@laurenconrad1799]

Damn, that sucks. Though part of me wonders if either of the 2 assistant managers were barely doing their jobs because they realized that even if they were productive in that job, they'd only ever get $11.60 per hour.

[@marykayandelle]

You are so eloquent. I loved reading this. You are worth wayyyyy more that $9/hr. You need to find an opportunity and flourish. You need to make a LinkedIn and get into corporate America and make some REAL money. What is your academic background?

[@kilgore_trout_37]

Good job! This is such an important lesson to learn and some people will take 20 years or more to realize that these MFers aren’t loyal to you, why bend over backwards to make sure their business runs well, especially when they can’t be bothered to know how to do it themselves.

[@dominiquetheeasyminimalist]

I recently quit a high paying job in a multinational American company. 7 people quit within 18 months in the same role, and the employer’s response was to give us a speech on how we should increase our resilience to face their “challenges “. I was never against doing more for a rush of a few weeks, but will not sacrifice my life and health for a company. And being passionate about our job doesn’t mean we should overwork ourselves 🤷‍♀️

[@asadb1990]

i had to handle to some extra work when a colleague quit. luckily my bosses understood things take time and i took as long as i could take working at standard pace. and the work got done. no one worked late. instead we were all rewarded by leaving early on fridays.

[@icantwiththis]

Im 42 and have been working since I was I was 14. I climbed many ladders, I've worked very hard, I've trained people, I've hustled. I've been harassed, overworked, disrespected etc. Now I'm tired. I got a cheaper college diploma to get a job with high pay per hour and an easy schedule on purpose . It's a union job so nobody is allowed to scream at me or push me to do anything I don't want to do. I take long breaks and sit down often. I signed up for the employee retirement matching. I'm done working hard.

[@orangutantapioca1530]

Sounds like now you’re working smart.

[@ratatataraxia]

If I’m getting paid minimum wage, I do minimum work. I thought that was common sense but apparently I was ahead of my time.

[@LizaMinenkova]

Hey Mark, I have a genuine question. If a person gets paid minimum wage and does minimum work, how will they ever move up and get paid more? I worked a coat checking job along with a girl who put in minimum effort. Unsurprisingly I got promoted a few months later because I put in a lot of effort and she acted upset because she had worked there for years. I was genuinely confused and thought she just wanted a chill job.

[@matttran7161]

@@LizaMinenkova because progress is not a linear path along a single rail. If a person doesn't see a path upward, the effort is better spent on self improvement instead of dumping effort into low or no return. If advancement criteria are not clearly, transparently stated, then they do not exist.

[@wvu05]

@@LizaMinenkova Hey Liza, genuine question. Where does your "hustle culture" leave you when someone more desperate is willing to do twice as much as you for half the money? Maybe figure out how much the worker actually brings to the table before giving platitudes. A pizza place once as part of an experiment decided to keep zero profit for the day and pay people based on the production of that day. They got $78/hour. I don't care how many tips you're getting, that is a huge pay increase.

[@ratatataraxia]

@@LizaMinenkova move up and get paid more? You’re talking about a career, I’m talking about a job. And in a job moving up and making more isn’t the goal, stability and making enough is the goal, career wise you are correct.

[@LizaMinenkova]

@@matttran7161 I see your point. I’m 24 and I have been working since I was 17 and I’ve never had a clear path upward. I always try to go the extra mile to get promoted, and it has worked for me, but it definitely would be easier if leaders provided a checklist or path you can follow. Hasn’t happened for me yet

[@jeffengel2607]

I pay for one Whopper. I get one Whopper. Burger King is quiet robbing me!

[@missmoxie9188]

Oh snap

[@clerknorth9695]

🤣

[@Xantrah]

Underrated comment

[@free22]

I remember working as a full time intern while going to school full time, only to be told by an executive director that I had only done my job for the past year. He had expected me, as an intern, to come up with cost-saving ideas to improve their efficiency. Mind you, they had people earning 3 times my intern pay whose job it was to “innovate.” Expectations for performance are sometimes unrealistic.

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

Which the boss would've taken credit for.

[@hueypautonoman]

One problem with encouraging workers to go above and beyond is that it enables workers who just pretend to go above and beyond. I've worked with people who did the same job I was getting done in 6 hours, but it somehow took them 9 hours, giving them the appearance of staying late and working hard. In reality, they just weren't very competent or efficient. On the other hand, instead of being rewarded for getting work done early, usually, managers will just give you more work or, worse, start to think that they don't need you full time because you have time to spare. In that case, just doing the bare minimum is actually safer.

[@ladyeowyn42]

I worked hard at my last job, but my coworker was better at office politics. Applying those lessons at my new job has been very successful with a lot less active work.

[@borkbork4124]

I worked as a cook for years before going to college rn. As a morning prep cook, when you finished your list, you were sent home. So, if you were crazy efficient as a 20 something able bodied kid like me, you made pennies. Then I went “full-time” no benefits but full-time hours, but the same thing happened. Promised 40 hours, usually only clocked 25! It is sick that that job taught me to “be lazy” but I felt robbed as I was sweating buckets and whisking at warp speed to get paid less than my counterparts. Not to mention as a kid, I was the lowest paid worker there by a long shot.

[@rba4377]

YES! But doing what you are paid for is not even the bare minimum lol is how its meant to be! And yes, this girl at my work was praised when she barely worked, she just decorated the workplace, came up with useless events that put more load on everyone else! I worked at place where girls were frequently taking work home when they should not have, the only reason we were tight for time was because the boss wanted to save hiring money while she bought several cars, homes and bussiness on the side. I noticed besides doing the job i was paid to do very well managements looked down at my performance. I approached the girls taking work home and asked them way and asked them to think about the big picture - the boss had the money for extra employees + they were setting other employees doing the job they were paid for to look worse. Luckily they stopped taking work home, I quit, 8 girls quit, the boss had to immediately rehire 8 people then more!

[@Punchiecat]

That's an excellent point.

[@maha.albadrawi]

THIS. I took a job as an assistant in a creative agency with the hope of learning the ropes and being promoted into a creative role. I did all my assistant work as efficiently as possible so that I could use extra time to shadow, pitch, then eventually produce creative projects, which were really well received. So well received, in fact, that the company started regularly asking me to pitch and create more. But when I actually applied for creative roles within the company, or asked if I could at least be paid extra for the work I was doing above and beyond my actual role? Crickets. In the end, I applied for other jobs and went to work at another company, before being offered not one, but two creative roles at my old company. I don't regret the extra work I did because it did eventually get me where I wanted, but I think people should consider leaving a company if it gets to a point where they're regularly asking you to go above and beyond without any intention of compensating you. I guess what I did was... regular ... quitting?

[@lindag.9069]

As a disabled employee in the workplace, I want to offer a gentle reframe: it's often the privileged workers who are MORE ABLE to put in late nights, long hours, and go above and beyond for no extra pay because they aren't dealing with illness, disability, multiple jobs, childcare & elder care, and so on. Those workers, who have the space in their lives and the privilege (and physical and mental stamina as well as the ability to perhaps afford help with things like childcare duties and house cleaning and so on) to be able to do more for less, set the pace for the rest of us -- which can lead to people who are more marginalized having to keep up with a pace of work and expectations far beyond the actual job they are being paid for. Scaling back on that Girl Boss, Sent From My iPhone energy is better for workers overall. AND... working to rule is a tried-and-true union organizing tactic. If y'all stand together as employees, and stop seeing each other as competition and start seeing each other as comrades, and you are ALL working to rule (or "quiet quitting," whatever you want to call it), management can't single you out. Because it's all of you (or most of you.) So, don't do it on your own, get your coworkers involved and start organizing. And, seriously, people, stop making "above and beyond" the baseline expectation. Stop going above, stop going beyond, for the sake of your coworkers who can't.

[@alicerowe4097]

Yep, I had to go self employed and lose out on pension, paid holiday and sick pay etc as I couldn't keep up with the pace as a chronically ill person. I'm suffering for it now!

[@cassidypintozzi4475]

Love this

[@songbirdlyricz]

Good points!

[@rba4377]

YESSSS!!! I worked at place where girls were frequently taking work home when they should not have, the only reason we were tight for time was because the boss wanted to save hiring money while she bought several cars, homes and bussiness on the side. I noticed besides doing the job i was paid to do very well managements looked down at my performance. I approached the girls taking work home and asked them way and asked them to think about the big picture - the boss had the money for extra employees + they were setting other employees doing the job they were paid for to look worse. Luckily they stopped taking work home, I quit, 8 girls quit, the boss had to immediately rehire 8 people then more!

[@rba4377]

and it should not just be for those who cant! Its also about going back to simply doing your job based on what you are paid! No matter who you are and what your condition is, you should act your wage, you are quitting nothing!

[@EffingAndJeffing]

It's the phrasing that I dislike. If I do the exact job I'm paid for, I'm not "quitting"; I'm literally doing my job. The Chinese concept of "laying flat" fits better. Not underperforming, not undermining the company, just doing the baseline work and no more; unless my pay is increased accordingly.

[@ashleyrogers1930]

Love that! Quiet quitting to me is not doing anything and asking to be fired. Doing what you are paid for is different.

[@wvu05]

Unions call it "work to rule" or "work to contract."

[@benjohnson9224]

Exactly. I keep work hours from 8:30-5:30, don't answer emails after those times, and don't work on the weekends, but while I'm working I do my job as best as I can. I'm not trying to quit, but I'm not going to do more than what I'm paid to.

[@ashleyrogers1930]

@@benjohnson9224 As you should.

[@Abigail-ny1no]

Yes! I live in China and my Chinese friend just taught me about this last week.

[@FernandoHernandez-jp4gt]

CEOs/Companies against Quiet Quitting are basically saying, “We want to squeeze as much work out of you as we can”

[@jaineas]

For sure!

[@katiemoss7578]

The thing is what quiet quitting is, only working the exact rules of your job, already has a name and it’s an effective form of protest if everyone does it. It’s called working to rule and if everyone’s doing it like a strike and it’s incredible useful especially in industries where you’re expected to go above an beyond. If unions decide to work to rule in industries where everyone works overtime to get it done suddenly you can’t do as much. This is happening in the uk lots of rail workers are working to rule as a form of strike and lots of train companies are having to put on less trains and therefore make less money. because everyone is working to rule and not working overtime there’s not enough to run the same timetable.

[@wvu05]

Darn right! Even in my office with a union job, several of us keep reminding other workers to take their breaks and lunches. All working through it does is screw yourself (because you don't get paid) and everyone else (who then is expected to do the same). The boss wants to do everything possible to wring as much from you as possible without getting you to quit, so accept the fact that this is a "they need to give me overtime or hire more people" situation.

[@lindag.9069]

Yep, make no mistake, rebranding working to rule as "quiet quitting" is anti-union propaganda. Those well-funded adversaries who run anti-union campaigns? I'm pretty sure, if we followed the trail, we'd find that one of them is the source for this entire discussion. People are organizing and unionizing and companies are mad about it.

[@kaycanadian6193]

@@lindag.9069 I never thought about it that way but it makes sense… especially for someone who is in a union and would never work without one again if I could help it.

[@Xanthelei]

@@lindag.9069 Not to mention it takes the role of another very effective union method, work slowage. Not work stoppage, where they go on strike, but slowing, where they're just less productive but still technically doing their jobs. In an economy where working to the definition of your job is "underperforming," it's also effectively a work slowage - I'd bet that's why it's getting branded as a bad thing. It's not that people aren't going above and beyond, it's that they aren't doing as much as the system currently expects them to do and to anti-union people that looks like a work slowage.

[@orangebeagle3068]

What sucks in my industry (healthcare) is that not only do they accuse you of being lazy, they also basically accuse you of being heartless. They ask you to work overtime over and over again, refusing to hire more people, and if you do have the guts to say no, they say “what if this was your mom, would you say no to her operation. She could die!” So our options are to either keep working overtime at $14/hour or live with the guilt that you might have let someone die, even though it isn’t ultimately your fault.

[@jenfindsfulfillment5371]

So people that work their hours and log off when they’re supposed to are quiet quitting? Wtf is wrong with these rich people

[@wvu05]

Not used to being told no, and people who think that they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires who think that this is how to get promoted, when they don't realize that if you do the work of two or three people and become "irreplaceable," that means that you'll never climb any higher because "good [insert current job here] are so hard to find."

[@frankbatista.official]

I understand you Jen, but what she meant is that there’s always someone out there who’s willing to go the extra mile, and we are living in a very competitive world now, so if we don’t find out a way to stand out (being employees or business owners) it’s hard to get noticed. That’s the truth 😊 wish you all the success 🙏🏽❤️

[@jenfindsfulfillment5371]

@@frankbatista.official I still go above and beyond for my current position. I’ll stay late if need be and everything. At the end of the day mental health and family comes first though. I’d rather give 100% and maybe stay late here or there for a fire than get burnt out and have to find a new job. No one should be expecting the extra mile especially if they don’t pay for it.

[@frankbatista.official]

@@jenfindsfulfillment5371 just trying to help you here but have you already tried to have a honest conversation with your boss? A promotion or even a better pay. I’m asking you this because one of my friends just got promoted because his boss remembered him asking for an opportunity. Maybe that helps!

[@rba4377]

I know! the name makes no sense lol

[@Sane_Man11]

To add insult to injury - take my wife for example: hard working, driven, gets results, goes above and beyond. How was she rewarded? Well, her company first pressured her to take a manager's position (but no pay raise), when she balked because of zero monetary benefit to her, the company instead made her a "lead", gave her two employee's to "supervise".... without a pay raise. But hey, she's more "visible" to upper management! Seriously, the only reason her and I work these corporate soul sucking jobs is strictly for the decent pay, decent health insurance and company stability... but even then, ask us if we are "happy" overall in our careers...

[@frankbatista.official]

I’m so sorry that it’s happened to you and your wife. Keep looking for new opportunities, I’m sure there’s something better in a place where you will be valued ❤

[@Juniperus_Godegara]

Classic corporate move. Giving the employee a worthless title and just move on.

[@lunar686]

Ask your landlord or mortgage broker if they’re happy to accept a title in leu of your monthly payment, let them know that they’ll be visible to your wife who is now a “lead”....If corporatations would find this request ridiculous from a customer, how they are able to request it from employees with a straight face is mind boggling

[@360.Tapestry]

nyeh. i see opportunities where you don't...

[@orangebeagle3068]

@Kryptonite. Hi. I’ve seen your comments everywhere. What do you get out of trolling? I’m legitimately curious. Do you have a hard family life or something? I’m just trying to understand.

[@kiterafrey]

My quit quitting story is currently happening. I work as someone who edits other people’s work. A member of the team we were editing made a joke in teams about hiring a hit man to kill us. I reported it to HR who claimed it didn’t happen until proof was presented by multiple people. Their solution was to move members of their team into promotions that made them my teams managers & then to join our teams to mitigate our divide. During this time I was going to move. I requested time off 6 months in advance. At the last second, the day after I let them know my lease was now broken, they changed the PTO rules making my move impossible if I couldn’t do it in a weekend as I needed to work 40hrs even if time off is accepted or I’d be fired. I couldn’t stay in state (I work remote) I’d be homeless which without WiFi for my secure PC would still mean I’d miss hours & get fired. During this our CEO heard about quit quitting. We were forced into a two hour training with quiz that had manipulation questions about how there is no work life balance & how we aren’t appreciated at work because we don’t appreciate ourselves which is shown because we don’t eat live breathe work. One segment in it the hosts praised an interviewee for tattooing his company’s logo on his arm, he was just a low level employee too. People started loudly quitting. After moving Ian hit & I got CoVid together. I missed a time stamp while being rushed to the hospital, literally cuz I wasn’t able to breathe. My manager scolding me for it. Now we’ve had multiple managers quit and no one is willing to apply for those roles. You’d think a law firm that does class action, including cases against companies breaking laws around employee treatment would know better, but apparently once you hit CEO your lawyer brain stops working.

[@marycash183]

Lawyers are the fucking worst!

[@sarahpardue3703]

I am hourly. The boss has had multiple chances to promote me to salary; boss doesn’t want to pay extra for that. So no, if a client calls me after hours or during vacation, I’m not picking up. I’m hourly. It’s ultimately the boss’s decision.

[@is-yn6jf]

I'm on a salary and I don't have my work phone with me on days off or holidays. Not because I don't like my job or it doesn't pay me enough or anything, just because when I'm not at work I'm not at work. Some jobs do need phones to be monitored but that should be well communicated and compensated for.

[@AlexHider]

Yeah, it’s all because of burnout. I am barely holding it together at work and quiet quitting myself simply to preserve my soul. My coworkers have already quiet quit and the extra workload has not been helping. We all need like 7 vacations in a row

[@purpledaisy4850]

Teachers. People use the “it’s for the kids” guilt ALL THE TIME!

[@GrungeGalactica]

My parents are both teachers and if they got paid an hourly or results based rate we’d be minted rn 😅

[@cinthiagoch]

I work for hour, for I'm a ESL teacher, and employers never consider the time it takes to prepare classes and activities as something they should pay for. Their excuse is "The lesson is already prepared in the books, just follow the books", and never take into account that every class is different even if they are using the same book. And then you have to think of extra holiday activities, make the decorations and prompts (most employers pay for the materials, at least there's that), and answer students' questions in your off time. That's why now I'm a private tutor, and I _DO_ account for the time it takes me to do all the stuff that isn't "teaching". And I charge approximately the same as what schools charge the students, but I only teach 1 or 2 students at a time, not a dozen, and get paid 4x or 5x more.

[@aguinn9998]

It's called "working your wage." Post-2008 companies have been spoiled with a weak labor movement and lax workplace protection enforcement. Now that the pendulum has slightly shifted towards workers having a spec more bargaining power the powers that be are complaining. Since many corporations are seeing record earnings it would seem that quiet quitting isn't really hurting the bottom line. It's about power and about holding wages down so the floor isn't raised for everyone.

[@Juniperus_Godegara]

So true!!

[@jessicawood2972]

As a nurse, there is no way to "quiet quit" without screwing over the next person. Either the oncoming nurse will feel obligated to "follow up" on whatever wasn't done, or the patient will just not have a specific need met. It can be anything from getting their doctor to change to a different medication (night shift "on call" docs tend to NOT order anything new or change existing orders, which is frustrating for night shift nurses). I had a patient tell me (at 1am) that she had been there 2 days and still wasn't getting all her home meds. Then there's all the superficial "recognition" of the ones who go above and beyond for the patients. Nominating people for an award that's literally nothing more than a title and a temporary parking space for the month to save you a few steps when you get to work. It's like when companies. started calling everyone "heroes" but did nothing to improve working conditions and ensure safety for their workers. My hospital is trying to do better though by offering bonuses for people who consistently have good patient reviews and performance based raises at the end of each year.

[@Monicalala]

Quiet quitting accusations are literal gaslighting.

[@merefinl6914]

I started my current entry-level job with promises of promotion and growth. They had me take my manager's tasks as 'training' but never told me that it was management training. I did 90% of her job for 6 months thinking I was just doing my entry-level tasks. They gave the promotion to an outside hire when I expressed concern about being ready for it, since I didn't know I'd already done the job for so long without fair compensation. Then I had to help train my new manager. Our executive team are known bullies who refuse to give raises even for staff that have been there 10+ years, so yeah I'm quiet quitting until I find a better job :p

[@merefinl6914]

Oh and as a follow-up, the reason my old manager left is because her coworker is a nightmare to work with. So even if I'd taken the job, it'd be a constant battle against that one coworker. The outside hire came in blind, apparently had applied for an entry-level job, and I'm watching her get bullied by the exec team and drained by the bad coworker every day. So it wouldn't have even been worth it if I did take the job lol

[@eriswriterforbadastra]

I'm in the same boat, except the nonprofit flavor of "you're changing the world even through you're in admin so aren't you happy with going above and beyond for lower pay than corporate" instead of outright bullying. They burnt me out in 8 months. I'm 2 years in now, but hopefully moving on for the sake of my physical health too.

[@scalylayde8751]

The fact that literally doing what you were hired to do can be framed as a form of "quitting" is fucked up. I go above and beyond and deliver excellent customer service at a job I'm passionate about. AT WORK. The moment I've signed out, my employer doesn't get jack shit out of me. No answering email, no doing work. I'll answer a text about my schedule being changed, that's it.

[@rba4377]

YESSS the name makes no sense to me

[@kdelka81]

"Going above and beyond" even if only at work, isn't quiet quitting. That's the point. You shouldn't have to go "above", you shouldn't have to go "beyond" your job description.

[@MicahAndersenNeverStopWriting]

I'm glad someone is talking about how quiet quitting is not an catch-all solution, especially when it comes to women and minorities. There's that phrase "work twice as hard for half the credit" which is put totally at odds with the concept of quiet quitting. Yes, definitely set boundaries around yourself in the workplace and "act your wage," but we should also be aware of those in our workplaces for whom that would end in a disaster and advocate for things like unions and other protections such as healthcare not being linked to employment.

[@Abigail-ny1no]

Well-said.

[@04beni04]

My workplace just initiated formal performance evaluation in the past year, and it's been really eye-opening how many people are conditioned to thinking that "meets expectations" is a substandard result. Like, dude -- it means you're doing your job, at an appropriate level. That's a good thing! The only people who should be achieving "above and beyond" are people aiming for a higher job or (in a place like mine, small enough that there aren't many opportunities to move vertically) looking to find another job. Not that either is bad, or that excellent results shouldn't be recognized, but "doing your job" and "doing it well" is NOT bad, nor is it something to be ashamed of!

[@anniemahoney5810]

Lots of people in my workplace are "quiet quitting". We've had a ton of things dumped on us because many employees have left over the last few years, and most have not been replaced, so we're all forced to do those jobs now in addition to our own. And because of recent legislation here in Ontario, we can get only 1% increases per year for the next 2 years despite the steep increases in rent and other living expenses. Seeing that our organization is saving hundreds of thousands of dollars by not filling empty positions, and is asking us to do that work instead, means we're just going to lose more (very talented, dedicated) people...and the will cycle continue. It makes me sick. But I am so burnt out already, I cannot find the energy to engage in a serious job search. I've been here 15 years, and I feel trapped.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

I’m sorry you are going through that. I would advise to call in sick: “I got COVID”. Stay at home one week, get your LinkedIn profile updated and apply for some jobs. Good luck!

[@anniemahoney5810]

@@enriquegarciacota3914 Thank you, you are right. I've got 12 weeks of sick days accrued. I could use some of it to get organized for a job search!

[@Kaitaritz2013]

I’m in the Ontario govt too and feel so overloaded for the same reasons you described. But I don’t work overtime, F that.

[@jigglypuff4ever]

Wait there’s a law saying you can only get a 1% raise?!

[@anniemahoney5810]

@@jigglypuff4ever For 3 years, yes. A bill passed by our premier a couple of years ago means that organizations funded by the Ontario government must not give wage increases above 1% per year for the next three years, starting with their next round of collective bargaining. That was last year for us. The reality is, we probably would not have seen much more than 1.5% anyway. We've got 2 more years of this. Then we'll see.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

“Pay peanuts, get monkeys”

[@TheSimArchitect]

So, they call doing what is in your contract as quiet quitting? That's bizarre! The entire point of getting a job instead of being self employed is exactly so you can mindlessly go to work for those hours and clock out at the end of the day. No more, no less.

[@rba4377]

YES

[@vmpapillon8984]

Completely agree. Quiet quitting is completely the wrong term and shows how many things are wrong with US work culture. It is a symptom of a much larger unhealthy trend. The job description is literally what you are paid to to do. This is absolutely ridiculous.

[@rba4377]

yess

[@shannonrolfes5171]

To be fair, this applies to all people. Even boomers. People of all ages who work hard to make an impact and develop a good name only to be passed over for a promotion because the company decided to hire "new talent" outside the company. Work to help your co-workers because you ARE a team player - but that's expected. However, you get dinged by management as not being a team player because you didn't participate in a pumpkin carving activity at work. The inequity goes on and on. The belief that a company is going to reward you for good work no longer holds like it did for our parents and their parents. And for all the directors and above who got where they are... they did not get there entirely because of hard work and talent. It's still who you know. Who likes you. Do you remind them of themselves when they were younger? What manager was too lazy to look for a better candidate. It's luck of the draw. Mini-rant.

[@tristanmills4948]

I guess this has always happened, 'working to rule' is a tried and true union technique. It is sad that exploitation is the norm, but it always has been. We're just hitting a point where it's hitting more privileged people and groups.

[@someonenothere8818]

That's not true, it's due to economics. With the removal of manufacturing jobs in the U.S. that were moved overseas, lots of these workers who were actually given decent wages without a college education actually lost their jobs and weren't able to recover. Developed countries like the U.S. tend to favor higher education jobs with skilled labor because ever since the market became more globalized the opportunity cost for America to have manufacturing jobs with little skill or education required is too much of a waste compared to producing them overseas since we have a larger population that is more highly educated. I hate the word privileged, frankly it's a fucking buzzword. We're not, we're the norm, it's other people who are not.

[@jstidham4888]

I worked at a specialty hospital for 9 years. It was my first healthcare position I had ever held. I worked WAY above my pay grade. I covered every position within the department and martyred myself to only be cut off on my 9 year anniversary. I sacrificed nearly the entire decade of my 20’s for a job that ultimately disposed of me as soon as they could (really just my supervisor). I always stayed cautiously optimistic and am well aware that am not immune to being let go for any reason. I felt I had become bulletproof because of all of my versatility and skills. Now I work for a hospital that truly cares about my well-being. I’m one week away from the 2 year mark since I was let go. It truly was an abusive relationship, and still miss being in that bubble. Im hoping that feeling will pass.

[@alfamaize]

This whole new idea of "quiet quitting' amuses me a lot. It's hardly a new phenomenon. I did it for the last 30 years- for most of my career, I drew a very hard line between work and real life. Yes, I was in a very privileged position to do that, I get that very much- and much of the reason I stayed with one company for 30 years was because I was able to do that. I did work long and odd hours when I had to- but that was an honest constraint of the job *sometimes*. And I'm sure someone did hard line 9-5 work before me as well. But I also think some of the "fears" or words from anti work-life balance people are really bad and dangerous. First of all, working longer hours does not mean people are more productive. I've worked with plenty of people who spent an hour or two longer at work than me and others who drew the line- and I never once saw them produce more work than people who did normal schedules. It's mostly perception. Proper management of projects make it easy to work 8 hours and be super productive. And proper management means that decisions are made on time and faults are found and worked on when they could be as opposed to the last moment. Seems like once management sees they can delay decisions and make their people work "harder"- it's a cycle of that constantly. The other thing that is dumb is the idea of working more than 8 hours is the path to collaboration. That's 100% wrong. Collaboration comes when managers let their people work together on projects- not putting up barriers to slow things down. Again, good management of projects will lead to useful collaboration way more than working longer hours. There are a few other perceptions that bug me- but those are my biggest ones that are the worst to me. Lasly, it's so funny that billionaires are mad that their workers might want a real life beyond making them more money. When I saw the O'Leary quote- yea- I would not want to make you more money that you will never be able to use at the sacrifice of my life. Heck, all people like he do is tell other people to do work- when was the last time he actually did work as opposed to delaying decisions and being mad at his workers at the result of his decisions?? I'm glad I don't have to deal with this anymore. And I hope few of you have to tolerate being over worked for people who don't need it based on completely wrong concepts of what working hard and being productive really means.

[@spoonfulofmakeup3007]

Idea for TFC: interview with a union organizer!! I’m part of an established union and I see the benefits, but I’m curious how one would go about starting a new one, what the day to day of a union organizer is like, challenges to unions in modern work environments etc.

[@krombopulos_michael]

I think we really just don't all have the same image in our heads of what QQ means. It could mean leaving your 9 to 5 at 5pm and then not working more until 9am the next day, but diligently doing your work within that period, or it could be dragging your feet on every task you get and basically treading the line of getting fired.

[@cabayern9416]

Yes! I know many people who steal company time by using social media, dating apps, texting, shopping.... On the company dime... Oh and those are educators. Sorry, there is a segment of qqers who are just lazy.

[@higherrealms5309]

True. To me QQ means only doing what you’re hired to do, nothing more nothing less. I wouldn’t “underperform” simply bcuz that’s not in my personality to do (it would actually take me MORE effort to purposely drag my feet). But going “above and beyond” is definitely out of the question.

[@lucysour]

I think a lot of us that are perpetually burnt out have days like the former and some the latter

[@benjohnson9224]

@@higherrealms5309 So, I definitely do not go "above and beyond" at my job, but I'm also not looking to quit either. I do the work that is expected of me as well as I can, but I don't work past 5:30 or on weekends. Is that quiet quitting?

[@anjunatuna]

This is a really good point - it's a sort of ambiguous term and could mean a lot of things. I don't think setting healthy boundaries is quiet quitting - I think mentally checking out and doing the bare, bare minimum is. If you think about it, it's natural to over-perform to some extent because that's how you advance but if you've been doing that for any period of time and not seeing that recognized, then you start quiet quitting and doing just enough to keep your job. But I think at that point, you should also be looking for a new job because you're likely never going to see any sort of career advancement if you stay.

[@marieburdin6776]

Never saw ‘quiet quitting’ as actual quitting. It’s setting respectful boundaries for yourself. I don’t care what you pay a person, a general employment contract is 40 hours a week - so you get 40 hours. Personally I’m in one of those graduate degree positions, and my company gets 110% of me during my working hours. After hours? I have a life. I love my job and my company, and they respect my boundaries on this - and TBH they shouldn’t be the rarity.

[@obscvritas3601]

I am SO GLAD that someone is talking about the privilege of quiet quitting. Like, I love the idea. Do what you're paid to do, don't do more unless you're getting paid more. Makes sense, right? But I'm a woman of colour working in healthcare. I've had a number of coworkers (with more seniority) trying to quiet quit....and the extra work ends up falling to me. And I can't exactly say no because the work we do directly affects patient care and I actually have enough compassion to *not* want that to be affected. Never mind that as one of the less experienced employees in the field whose extra work is already routinely underappreciated by management, but things go bad, I'm probably going to be the one to be blamed.

[@robertstanley9633]

oof! I just quit my job of four years this past Tuesday. I was cross trained in my department to do other job specifics outside of my own job description. At first, it was nice to be moved around, gain 'additional experience' and to be 'flexible' but I realized I was being taken advantage of. I realized other people wouldn't complete their tasks for the day so that task was burdened on me on top of my own tasks for the day. Then later, I realized some people would take advantage that I was there I could help or complete their tasks. My manager also played good cop/bad cop. At the end, I was burned out, resentful and stressed being a part time student. The past three months, I laid my boundaries and only committed to tasks that I was responsible and expected to do (quiet quitting) Then after a session with my therapist, I realized my needs and boundaries were not being honored so I quit and I have been the happiest ever. I understand the privilege and luxury it is to quit a job but Im glad that things were aligned for me to do so.

[@snowballeffect7812]

"Quiet quitting"? My friends and I just call that regular old "work" lol. Workers need to be clear that your relationship with your employer is nearly always adversarial. Their main goal is to get as much labor out of you at the lowest pay possible. Your responsibility is to get as much compensation for is little effort as possible. Other factors (like work environment, passion for the work, duty, etc.) can come into the negotiation after that fundamental understanding of the relationship is established.

[@davidlazarus67]

Quiet Quitting is a synonym of a bad workplace culture. If you aren’t happy at your job then the incentives to perform better is minimal. Its also a real consequence of management not replacing lost staff. Staff will burn out and then either quit or quiet quitting becomes a rational alternative.

[@amandasunshine2]

Don't legitimize corporate crimes. Call it what it is, following the law. Don't call it what they want, don't let them use their manipulative words. They are successfully shaming people into working for free. Which, again, is a crime. Calling it some euphemism like "quiet quitting" is letting then get away with it.

[@rba4377]

YESSS According to so many of my friends in this position, the job doesn't necessarily go to people below you and the situation often happens because the wealthy company just doesn't wanna put resources into hiring enough staff. I personally don't think that's a good reason to stay back all the time or fix the incompetence of other people. + very few people have spare time and energy to try to do even more things to make the work place better or unionise... specially when they dong get paid for it. + companies dont seem good a optimising time use. According to Lost Focus by Johann Hari, companies waste so much time with useless meeting, interrupting people, etc.... we could all work 40h weeks, make company loads of many and be done.

[@alaakela]

Quiet quitting is NOT about workplace culture. It is about getting paid for the work put in. Regardless of the workplace culture.

[@rba4377]

@@alaakela What he means is that workplace culture creates the narrative of having to do more then you are paid for to look like a good employee. Doing what you are paid to do shouldn't even have the work quitting on it. Just act your wage.

[@davidlazarus67]

@@alaakela Not getting paid for the work done is a major part of it. If you don’t feel valued then it’s usually how the company is actually run. That’s workplace culture as managers create it. Remember that managers get paid to make sure that you don’t get paid more than they think you are worth.

[@tiaraono7668]

I hate all this conversation about "Quiet Quitting." But only because its shining a bright negative light on how I've placed boundaries at every job I ever worked. I tell them when I'm hired that work/life balance is extremely important to me and that I won't make it a habit of working late/on the weekends. And I've actually gotten this mentality to spread at my workplaces. When I first started at my current job my boss was available at all hours and answering emails when he should be spending time with his family. After a few months of conversations and me just being like "No, it's not important enough for you to do this weekend, just work on it Monday," he is now very very rarely online at all after work. Same with many co-workers. I think all it took was one person being like "no" for others to jump on board here. The work-life balance here went from pretty freakin' toxic to responsible in a little over a year. We are just as productive; we still do our jobs. But the stress is way lower for everyone. And I hate that this is being branded as a negative thing.

[@Katiedora122]

I've been "quiet quitting" since March 2020. Mostly I would just take my time in the mornings and then get all my work done in the afternoon, but I've always had a good knack for prioritizing what management wanted to see so it was fine. But then after getting an unjustly negative review and an embarrassing "raise" (the company raised the starting salary to what I was making after 7 years and they weren't doing any other adjustments) and realizing I wasn't going to be promoted in any way, I officially cut back all my efforts till I found a new job. Now that I've been there a year and gotten another bullshit raise...guess who has no intention of doing anything for work while I job search.

[@rebeccajesse4604]

I seriously got enraged when you simply mentioned "if you have time to lean, you have time to clean". God my teeth can't handle the grinding and gnashing!!

[@moriahmelitta1611]

I’ve been in positions to make the lives of the employees under me or even around my level better, and when I have spoken up I’ve actually been retaliated against and treated worse even though I had been previously a very valued and well-treated part of the company. It’s not always the best move. It has left me unable to be promoted in some cases because I’m looking out for not just the company and myself, they know I will speak up for the injustices I see around me.

[@bbtdgfan890]

I just think a 32-hour work week needs to become the legal standard, i.e. employment benefits kick in at 32 hours and any time worked over 32 hours is overtime. I work in manufacturing, I don't know how to convince my bosses to let us work less hours, I just need the people of this godforsaken country to give a shit about workers.

[@Xantrah]

I respectfully disagree. Employment benefits should kick in at 12 hours. I agree with the rest.

[@xanderpercy1533]

What’s described in this video as “quiet firing” reminded me of the term “attrition” as it was used in my college intro to business class, where a manager/company intentionally makes an employee unhappy or rescinds employee privileges without saying so in an effort to get them to quit and avoiding paying out severance packages. Can somebody with more HR know-how say what the difference between those things might be (if any?)

[@LiLiBi01]

I have a job performance talk with my boss tomorrow, and seeing this video I can only HOPE...HOPE he sees how crazy hard I've been working the past half year. With there being no HR Manager, no Sales Manager and no Office Manager, many of those tasks have been resting on my shoulders. And yes, there's a lot of job openings and hiring processes going on, but with no end in sight. I think it's best for everyone if I slowly start letting these extra tasks slip. Maybe not entirely quiet quitting, but the idea of focussing on the job I was actually hired for feels strangely liberating.

[@samevans1289]

How did it go?

[@ploefff]

You should read "The NO club - putting an end to women's dead-end work" It talks about how and what tasks are valued when it comes to that promotion and how women is most likely to end up with the non promotable ones. It was an eye opener

[@rba4377]

I worked at place where girls were frequently taking work home when they should not have, the only reason we were tight for time was because the boss wanted to save hiring money while she bought several cars, homes and bussiness on the side. I noticed besides doing the job i was paid to do very well managements looked down at my performance. I approached the girls taking work home and asked them way and asked them to think about the big picture - the boss had the money for extra employees + they were setting other employees doing the job they were paid for to look worse. Luckily they stopped taking work home, I quit, 8 girls quit, the boss had to immediately rehire 8 people then more!

[@rachelbusby670]

I don’t care how many manager 1-on-1’s I have or how many team morale booster events are thrown for us. I only get paid for eight hours a day. Therefore, I am leaving after those eight hours.

[@anjunatuna]

I just interviewed for a job where the recruiter told me they recently gave out a lot of promotions so I think that company at least recognizes people going above and beyond and rewards them. I have found myself quiet quitting at a role earlier this year and eventually left because I felt so bored and unmotivated. I worked in one position at the company for a year, took a bootcamp to advance into another position/department, and then when I got into that department, I was stuck at the same pay rate for 4 years despite working the same tasks as other who were promoted simply because they had families to support. It was really frustrating to watch and when I found myself checking out, I started applying elsewhere and eventually found a role paying twice as much! I think it's important to set health boundaries but when you're passionate about what you do and want to advance, it's natural to go above and beyond the job description (similar to the "dress for the job you want, not the job you have" idea). However, when that's repeatedly overlooked and not promoted, it's so easy to check out. I think it's a balance between management recognizing it and the quiet quitters recognizing it and taking the necessary steps to reinvigorate more investment, whether that's a pay raise, a role transfer, or just a new job all-together. Also, in this economy and job market, with SO many lay-offs and competition for roles, quiet quitting is even more risky!

[@TheHost345]

Thank you for addressing how "quiet quitting" is like doing only what one is required to do at the job because they're burned out and possible consequences like other people getting burned out instead because they can not afford to "quiet quit". There has to be a different way to do things like having everyone share the burden instead of one person being responsible of it and getting burned out

[@AlchemistLynn]

I went above and beyond for seven years and then I got extremely depressed as the work piled on and the pay did not. I am not putting myself through that again. I worked in the food service industry and I do have the education that was supposed to give me a raise. I got 25 cents and a lot more responsibilities, a toxic boss where nothing was ever good enough and always asked way too much of everyone. Thankfully I’m in a better place with much better pay, but it was hard to work yourself into the ground and not feel good enough even when you are doing a great job.

[@Atmviola]

I once had a youth education internship (unpaid) that promised extensive pedagogy training and professional development opportunities. Well, my bosses were too lazy to provide any training, and me and the other interns were just thrown into a classroom to do the same job that other people were literally getting a salary for. Once I figured that out and realized there was no opportunity for promotions in this organization, I “loud quit” in front of everyone.

[@darkraveness]

The problem with my job description is there's a sentense that basically says, "And anything else asked of you." So if my boss asked me to do something not specifically in my job description, it's still in my job description.

[@DimaRakesah]

Companies these days expect employees to work like they are already in the next position up, so it's really no wonder that just doing only your job is somehow treated like 'quitting' and being lazy. I used to work at a restaurant that touted the "tine to lean, time to clean" mantra and one of the managers perfectly demonstrated why it's stupid. I WAS CLEANING already and a manager was hanging around LEANING and then walked off and pointed at a piece of trash (like a straw wrapper or something) they were literally walking past and told me to pick it up. Like I should stop already cleaning and go over to pick it up because she didn't feel like bending down to get it!? She thought she was above cleaning, even though she was doing NOTHING.

[@kelsey5584]

I think this comes as a backlash for the $0.30 annual raise so many of us have been given after working above & beyond

[@nightfall3605]

You get raises?!? 😮

[@dinafoxm]

I love that "quiet quitting" in Germany is just "working". Although things are changing due to increasing influence of US culture and work culture. Meeting your job description here is what you would expect to be doing (again, traditionally). Having to regularly work late or early or, even more extreme, be "always on" would have been seen as just bad planning by management. Why wouldn't your job be accomplishable in the given amount of work time? This would not be seen as your shortcoming but as insufficient resource management by your boss / management. If you constantly work lots of overtime, why wouldn't your management just hire an extra person or part time position? Workers protections are very high and all overtime would traditionally be compensated, clocking off at your allocated finish time would be seen as normal and fair.

[@gizbel0783]

Fellow German here who has been living in North America for the past decade. It absolutely infuriates me when German companies think they have to copy US work culture. It's not something to look up to. At all. It's beyond frustrating working here. It's exploitative and disorganized. On top of that there are too many people who don't know what they are doing and work days are stuffed with useless meetings, trainings, calls etc that prevent you from doing your actual work. Hence you need to work overtime which is not compensated.

[@portalomus]

I am constantly amazed by hustle culture's many layers of toxicity. No wonder people are burning out. I keep thinking too about how the lack of social services just supports this exploitation of workers by companies. They know we need our jobs for healthcare, and to pay for the outrageous cost of child care and rent/mortgages. Corporations benefit from keeping us on a hamster wheel.

[@erikagluck]

All my jobs before my current one was absolute crap. Current job is ok, but so much disorganization, low pay and no transparency. I am actually more afraid I will leave and get shit worse on at a new place. All companies are shitty to an extent.

[@Spicylolipop]

Watching this at my job while my boss refuses to give me anything to do lol

[@ashleyrogers1930]

Enjoy it, if they haven't given you assignments get paid to do nothing then.

[@ilsepieterse8150]

Your boss is probably quiet quitting 😂

[@karlene2210]

Although it might not be a great way to start systemic change, quiet quitting has been a great way for me to draw boundaries and self-provided accommodations as a neurodivergent individual. While the whole concept may potentially disadvantage others that you work with, on the flipside it can also provide much needed flexibility for those like myself who are not given realistically helpful accommodations through ADA law or one's employer, if at all. Not to mention an estimated 30-40% of the population is ND alone, not even beginning to consider those with other disabilities. NDs are also way more likely to experience burnout from trying to prove themselves as employees and are discriminated against and exploited regularly despite often being capable of the same work quality as their co-workers. Would love to see more about quiet quitting in relation to this.

[@chocfudgebrowni]

I think the solution is quitting and finding a job where your boundaries can be set better. My friend quit and after she quit, they ended up having to hire three people to fill her role.

[@rba4377]

yesss! I worked at place where girls were frequently taking work home when they should not have, the only reason we were tight for time was because the boss wanted to save hiring money while she bought several cars, homes and bussiness on the side. I noticed besides doing the job i was paid to do very well managements looked down at my performance. I approached the girls taking work home and asked them way and asked them to think about the big picture - the boss had the money for extra employees + they were setting other employees doing the job they were paid for to look worse. Luckily they stopped taking work home, I quit, 8 girls quit, the boss had to immediately rehire 8 people then more!

[@jenniferwells2291]

My husband is a paralegal in a large law firm and instead of a COLA they got a tiny raise that became a pay cut last December, and after asking it seems that will be the way again this year. At the end of last month about half of the office left on the same day including a partner, 2 lawyers, and a bunch of staff. I've been telling him to leave for almost a year now, but he's scared and tries to be superman.. so of course he is treated the worst. Only the partner told my husband he was leaving. Even after some of the awful things he just found out a week ago he's still not quiet quitting, he's barely even looking for a new job knowing another pay cut is coming. This is how people with anxiety and bad past experiences handle crappy work places.

[@lornamarie5544]

I’m British you call it quiet quitting we call it, normal work practice.

[@pisceanbeauty2503]

Lol, be happy to exist in the British work culture. The US is a sh!! show.

[@thaliaestrella5570]

"[Quiet Quitting] is not a catch-all solution or replacement for actual labor movements" YES PLEASE we need to continue to organize and unionize👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@TheJamieRamone]

Funny how the suggestions the pollsters offer don't include things like, oh I don't know, a FUCKING PAY RAISE! Or more time off, and maybe even...paid! No, no, no, the serf...employees, need 1-on-1s and motivation and shit. 🙄

[@debbiejones7269]

Money is motivating!

[@TheJamieRamone]

@@debbiejones7269 Ikr?

[@niablee]

Glad you mentioned the quote about how quiet quitting is CLEARLY not the same experience for POC!

[@tristanmills4948]

The question is how to build solidarity across groups. And how the burned out can find the energy to organise.

[@GlitchedVision]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news here but as long as we keep praising capitalism as a perfect system and don't make any changes to reign it in, we're going to keep seeing worker exploitation as the norm. Those with money will do absolutely everything they can to keep their money, if that means paying someone part time wages for overtime work then that is what they'll do if they can get away with it. The underlying theories of capitalism lead to said exploitation as the goal of the system is infinite growth through maximum profits from minimal effort. In order to truely fix things we need to move to a system that puts people first rather than profit.

[@LaurenAnne6]

Yes!! This coupled with the fallacy of the American dream and the prominence of individualism in mainstream culture, keeps the US beholden to capitalist idealism.

[@shadowfaxcrx5141]

Yep. There's nothing wrong with capitalism as long as there is a neutral referee to keep the players on the board from cheating or acting unethically. The profit motive is a powerful motivator to work hard, innovate and advance society. But with it comes powerful motivations to abuse employees, mess up the environment and cheat customers. Government-regulated capitalism is the only way capitalism can work, and I don't just mean for the little guy. In the system we're running now, the rich and powerful win until one day enough of the proletariat gets pissed off, grabs the pitchforks and torches and deposes their abusers. It's happened countless times in history, and it will happen again absent an enforced pullback of "profit above all else."

[@jackcarraway4707]

The best solution is literally just change jobs.

[@LaurenAnne6]

I managed a Baskin Robbins in my early 20's. It was a successful store in a wealthy area of my city. The owners owned several BR franchises across the southern mid-west and the south. They gave me only 18% of the store profits to pay to the employees. Eighteen percent! I did everything I could do to make sure my employees were paid as much as I could possible pay them. I also never expected anyone to go above and beyond for barely more than the federal minimum wage. The one employee who did go above and beyond, made the most and she got "employee of the month" every month. I created it specifically to pay her monthly bonuses and made sure that everyone knew what I was doing. She would get an extra 8 hours of pay once a month and everyone would get $0.25 raises as many times as I could give them out. Shortly before I quit, the franchise was sold to a different company. During the transition, I bumped my "employee of the month" up to $10 an hour (a lot for food service in my area back in 2008) and told the new owners that she should be store manager. She's had that job ever since.

[@dvklaveren]

Manager 1-on-1s being proscribed as the antidote to quiet quitting is hilarious to me. Nothing disengages me more than being called to talk with my manager about whether I'm happy. Yes, I'm happy, these needless 1-on-1s are what is making me unhappy! Being called to the office of the manager doesn't make me feel like I've done anything wrong, it makes me feel like my manager is trying to hold me under the microscope and speculate about my work rather than actually understanding me. I don't care what personality my manager has; This is NOT the way to motivate me. Ironically, that has felt a lot more like quiet firing of managing me into quitting my job.

[@ladyeowyn42]

Of course the management class thinks “more useless meetings” is the answer 😂

[@rba4377]

yesssss!

[@rba4377]

I worked at place where girls were frequently taking work home when they should not have, the only reason we were tight for time was because the boss wanted to save hiring money while she bought several cars, homes and bussiness on the side. I noticed besides doing the job i was paid to do very well managements looked down at my performance during 1-1. I approached the girls taking work home and asked them way and asked them to think about the big picture - the boss had the money for extra employees + they were setting other employees doing the job they were paid for to look worse. Luckily they stopped taking work home, I quit, 8 girls quit, the boss had to immediately rehire 8 people then more!

[@cdorothy444]

@@rba4377 LOL I came here right after I REFUSED to take work home screw that

[@adelenfouba]

A version of quiet quitting kind of exists in China, where the work hours are unreasonably long with no days off, and the majority of the young population is subject to burnout & overwork as a rule, not the exception. It’s called “touching fish” and though the spirit is similar, it’s not quite the same thing.

[@Abigail-ny1no]

And also “laying flat”! It’s much needed 🥺

[@ave_rie]

Literally, the first thing boomers/senior millennials taught me at work was to “quiet quit” 🙃

[@icantwiththis]

What about the gen x ers? The forgotten generation?

[@theMad155]

I loved the gallup poll giving advice on how to stop quiet quitting but missing the most obvious… give people more money 😂 After multiple jobs and a number of years of working well above my wage and not being compensated fairly I’ve started performing based on my objectives rather than the JD. That is my guiding star… I refer to them often and check in with myself to make sure I am prioritizing them as that is what my bonus and performance review is based on THEN if I have time in the day I’ll always help a colleague or work on some of those backlog tasks. I have found this system to really work for me and have had positive reviews so far.

[@sinebar]

In 2020 when the pandemic came my employer gave me an option of continuing to work from home or accept a severance package to leave the job. Since I was going to move to Canada where my mom lived to stay with her, I decided to accept the severance. The catch was that I had to sign, among other things, a cooperation agreement. During lockdown the employer that I no longer worked for started sending me CAD Design assignments to work on from home. I was completely baffled by this. Why would an employer that I didn't work for anymore send me work assignments. Well, come to find out it was the cooperation agreement I signed to get the severance package. The agreement was for 3 years. So even after I got another engineering job in Canada, I have to come home from work and work on stuff for the former employer. It's all computer work but still very annoying. Sometimes I even have to sneak in their work while at my present employer. Kind multi tasking. Thankfully both employers use the same CAD system so it makes it easy but I've come close to being caught. I have to be sneaky about it. The 3 years runs out in a few months and won't have to do it anymore.

[@ang5798]

It starts at 2:20

[@stephie_nya]

I moved to the US in 2021 and the job culture is brutal. I learned a lot, sure, but people are absolutely overworked. "Quiet quitting" should NOT be something news-worth, should not even have a special name. You get paid for X duties, that is it. Anything your employer demands on top is exploitation. If they want someone to take more responsibilities, then they should pay more. We, as employees, are pushed to believe that we are supposed to be grateful for simply having a job, but a working relationship is a two-way street. Setting boundaries should be the expectation always.

[@CaraMarie13]

Well my coworkers recently told me to only do the minimum. Our supervisors have recently become obsessed with us doing more calls and are "reviewing the protocols to see how many more calls we can do a week". I didn't realize that i was the one doing more calls than what it's currently expected. Thankfully i was set straight so you better bet in the last two weeks I've been doing either the minimum or less. I have a week off coming up right before i make my year and I absolutely plan on looking for other jobs during that time. Not because my work is particularly hard but because the managers are looking for everyway possible to ensure that there is not a minute of our day that is not filled with productivity and will have us give them further explanations on any notes we put in for our calls that they felt could be "expanded on" so that when we get audited "it can be a smooth process".

[@Mishi.michelle]

I tried doing this when I was a manager at a large coffee company (think strawberry açai). The minimum requirement is 40 hours and you are non-exempt meaning no overtime. The reality is that you are expected to pull 60+ hours a week and you will be mocked openly by most of your peers (who boast about working so many hours they make less than the barista they’re in charge of for some reason) and quietly fired by management if you set a boundary.

[@ZaydaFleming]

I like Labor Union version of “Work to Rule” vs Quiet Quitting because it describes what is going on in a way that shines light on the exploitation that drives the action. I will do precisely what is expected of me but will not shoulder burdens that are outside of my job. Working all out all the time is what seems to be expected in so many workplaces but just isn’t realistic and is killing the workforce.

[@amanditita]

I live in Argentina and we call it "trabajo a reglamento" or "work to rule". It's an action we take to protest different things in our workspace. And it's a really old strategy.

[@Mrslovett007]

At my job we normalize doing what is expected and nothing else and it's not seen as toxic.

[@greenfeller]

I only see 15 pieces of flair...

[@wvu05]

See Brian over there? He has 37 pieces of flair. Now, what do you think of someone who just does the bare minimum?

[@OldLadyReacts]

Talking about other people having to pick up the slack when I quiet quit is hilarious. For years, I was the person working my ass off and picking up the slack from everyone else! Volunteering for extra work and special projects, etc. I was the organized one, I was the one who pre-planned and knew how to use Excel for my project budgets when everyone else was using a hand-written chart (or post-it notes!) and having to teach them the basics of how to use office programs. That shit is just gonna go undone. It's the extra BS I refuse to do any longer and I will no longer be the person who gets extra work put on them because I'm the capable one who is good at their job.

[@thecozyintrovert]

When I first started in my career I did all the extra stuff, didn't get paid more than the people around me doing the same job. Then one day a "big wig" came in and demanded to see some paperwork proving that I had returned some controlled substances to the manufacturer. My job was literally on the line because the last they saw I was the one who had all of these controlled substances- so it looked like I took them. Side note- I was NOT trained on how to return them, I was expected to teach myself, well I didn't know I had to have a Doctor sign on off on me sealing the box and putting it in the mail. Luckily, after I called the company frantic, they were able to fax me a copy of proof that all of the medications were, in fact, at their facility. After that I quiet quit. I gave up all my extra duties and they gave them out to everyone else. This was 15 years ago, I still refuse to do anything "extra" unless I'm being paid more.

[@Resonance1919]

Unfortunately, when your work is customer facing, no one will ever agree to a 4 day work week because that would mean we're open to the public less often. In fact our store is looking to switch to being open 6 days a week. Ugh

[@clerknorth9695]

In my observations the harder you work the more you are expected to surpass your last already exceeded output. NO thanks.

[@icantwiththis]

That's all dandy if it gets recognized and paid for, but it never is so ... whatever! Also, my opinion is valuable so it is no longer offered in the workforce unless specifically asked for by my boss who will actually consider it and pays me well for it. Otherwise you get nothing from me. That goes for employee surveys too... No I will not fill out a survey unless you pay me extra for that (they never do) then you don't get free information from me about how to improve your business. And you don't get to gaslight me by pretending you care about my opinion in the business by giving me a survey that will waste my time and be ignored.

[@minefallen]

It's such an interesting topic. I don't think anyone should do more than what they're paid to do. I've faced work harassments, threats, insults, unwanted attention, work place bullying, and the go to person to cover shifts even though at times, I wasn't sleeping and eating due to uni. This was in multiple positions, both management, management potential and front end worker. Most times management/ Head office don't care about anyone and what's worse is a lot of them are promoting "WE CARE ABOUT YOUR WELLBEING" bullshit. I'd say just do what you're paid for, otherwise you create unrealistic expectations, even though you might be trying to further your position, more times than not it's disappointing. This is coming from someone who's always pushed themselves to their limit, and not just management but also other workers around me would take advantage of that, and I'd end up doing other people's jobs and management jobs too on minimum wage. I finished my degree, it took a little while, but I got my dream job, work in a very healthy work, life, balance job and am so much mentally healthier.

[@jeanniefromtahini5197]

I quiet quit back in 2010. I worked a series of contract jobs and always gave 110%. My managers were always really appreciative and acknowledged my efforts......but those efforts never materialized into a higher salary or full time role with benefits. One day, I just stopped. No one seemed to notice, until two weeks later when I got a big fat raise. It didn't spur me to continue giving more and I have maintained this attitude. I was tempted by future managers saying "We might have headcount in the fall" or "Maybe we can do something with your pay if..." but I never fell for it again. I've had those rewards dangled in my face so many times I knew they were lies. I then decided to find a job that paid less and had no real opportunity to advance, but it was reliable, with benefits and let's just say the effort is commensurate with the output. People say no risk, no reward, but for me it is much more like, no risk, but at least we're honest about the exchange.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

I’m trying to get my colleagues to quiet quit. They work without lunch breaks or required breaks and unpaid on weekends

[@jampsonn1826]

I work in an admin role for a medical school and my boss has always been so adamant about us taking our vacation and sick days and not being expected to answer emails or work outside of work hours. We get clinical staff constantly asking why we're not available when they need us or why no one is working on a holiday, but my boss has always stood firm in defending the admin team and saying we aren't paid or expected to be 24 hour workers. People above my boss (who are salaried) also don't work outside of their 9-5 (if that) and take a vacation unannounced, but typically don't defend us as much and think more should be done to support the clinical staff, i.e. us working after hours or weekends and making OT. I'm pretty grateful for my boss bc she could easily set that expectation and she is so vehemently against it. she even told us not to download the outlook app on our phones so we can't check email once we clock out. 😆

[@laurenconrad1799]

Great video. When I heard the definition of quiet quitting, I thought "So, you mean, working? That's what that is." And I'm pretty sure that some of the people writing those news stories agreed, but they needed a clickbaity, doomscroll-type headline in order to keep making money at their job.

[@Elspm]

Working above and beyond gets me the reward of a load more work and a tiny amount more pay. While it is true that one person can't change the culture by themselves, they can change their personal circumstances by quiet quitting. I don't advertise it by putting out of office on at night, I just don't reply till the morning. If you give an inch people take a mile when it comes to boundaries, and you get neither thanks nor recompense for it. Yes I'm privileged to be able to do it, but I don't want to be the arsehole setting out of hours working as standard practice. (Edited to say, I hate the term quiet quitting. I haven't quit if I do my job to a high level but not outside the bounds of my job description)

[@samaraburton68]

I like the video immediately for the jingle at the beginning

[@stacyjaye6350]

I don't understand why any employers or other people are upset. It's a business arrangement. So much money, for so much time. That's all quiet quitting is. Giving them their money's worth. Not more than their money's worth! Damn. Corporations are some greedy s.o.b.s.