A Response to "Asim & Hafs Were Weak in Hadith"

[@lawandahiru4064]

Masha Allah, Jazakallahu Khair Ya Shiekh

[@suaadsultan]

MashAllah ❤

[@canusapak7535]

What about the fact that Hafs was a liar and a thief? Was he only a liar and thief when it came to hadith? 😂

[@ImamSuhaibWebb]

Look forward to seeing you tonight.

[@Faxonly-f2z]

@@ImamSuhaibWebbcold response 💪🏾

[@canusapak7535]

Hafs was a liar, thief, and plagarizer: Ibn Kharrash said, he (Hafs) is a liar, his hadiths are to be abandoned, he invents hadiths. “Yahya Ibn Said said, from Shubaa; ‘he (Hafs) took a book from me, and never returned it, and he used to take people’s books and copy them.’ “Al-Sagi said, from Ahmad Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Al-Baghdadi, that Ibn Mu’in said: ‘Hafs and Abu Bakr were the of the most knowledgeable of the Qiraat of Asim, and Hafs was more competent than Abu Bakr (but) he was a liar, and Abu Bakr was truthful."

[@ImamSuhaibWebb]

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله and thank you for asking. This is such an important question; I will do a live tonight (late) or tomorrow as a response.

[@canusapak7535]

@@ImamSuhaibWebb Please make a comprehensive response as there are many narratives of him being a liar. Here's another ‘Abd al-Rahman Ibn Abi Hatim says that he is matruk al-hadith. Nasa’i says that HE IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY. In the opinion of Yahya Ibn Ma‘in as quoted by Abu Qudamah Sarakhsi and ‘Uthman Ibn Sa‘id al-Darimi HE IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY . ‘Ali Ibn al-Madini says: he is weak in matters of Hadith and I have forsaken him voluntarily. Abu Zur‘ah also says that he is weak in matters of Hadith … S~alih Ibn Muhammad al-Baghdadi says that the Ahadith narrated by him are not worth writing and all of them mention unfamiliar things in religion. Zakariyya Ibn Yahya al-Saji narrates from Simmak and ‘Alqamah Ibn Marthad and Qays Ibn Muslim that his Ahadithare not reliable. ‘Abd al-Rahman Ibn Abi Hatim says that he asked his father about Hafs. His father said that his Ahadith are not even worth writing. He is weak in matters of Hadith, cannot be attested to and his Ahadith are not acceptable. ‘Abd al-Rahman Ibn Yusuf says that HE IS A GREAT LIAR, worthy of being forsaken and forges Ahadith ------------------ Source www.al-mawrid.org/pages/articles_english_detail.php?rid=515

[@canusapak7535]

Also please explain if someone is a Rafidi/Shia why discard anything he says. Why can't you believe what he said about Hafs?

[@canusapak7535]

@@ImamSuhaibWebb what happened, I was there the whole time and you didn't address this?

[@ImamSuhaibWebb]

My apologies, I was traveling. This is from a book I will publish inshallah soon: 8.12 Ibn Ma’in’s Accusation Ibn Adi, in "Al-Kamil" (3/268), records a statement from Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Baghdadi who claimed to have heard Yahya ibn Ma'in say that while Hafs was knowledgeable in the recitation of Asim, he was a liar. However, this report's credibility is questionable due to its reliance on Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Baghdadi, whose reliability is not well-established. Al-Khatib identified Ahmad ibn Muhammad as Ahmad ibn Mahrez, an unknown figure, thereby casting doubt on the accusation. 8.13 Contradictory Statements from Ibn Ma’in Al-Khatib al-Baghdadi also records in "Tareekh Baghdad" (9/64) another statement from Ibn Ma'in, where he does not accuse Hafs of lying but simply rates Abu Bakr as more reliable. The context suggests that the accusation of lying may not be as strong as suggested by the isolated narration from Ahmad ibn Mahrez. 8.14 Accusations from Ibn Khirash Ibn Khirash accused Hafs of lying and theft. However, there are significant concerns regarding the reliability of these claims: 1. The narration contains an unknown narrator, Muhammad bin Muhammad ibn Dawud al-Karaji, as noted by Ibn Hajar in "Tabsir al-Muntabih" (3/1209). 2. Ibn Khirash himself is considered unreliable due to his extreme Shi'ism and harsh criticism. Al-Dhahabi noted in "Al-Muqiza" (83) that Ibn Khirash's severe criticisms are not accepted without corroboration, especially against Sunni scholars. Given these factors, Ibn Khirash's criticism is not deemed reliable. In conclusion, while Hafs may have been weak in hadith narration, his integrity and expertise in Qur'anic recitation remain unquestioned. The accusations of dishonesty against him are not substantiated by reliable evidence and are countered by the recognition of his scholarly contributions by numerous authoritative figures..