A Review of: A Night to Remember (1958)

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Apologies, I have noticed some errors with the audio I made, particularly at around the 13 minute mark (it is a little out of sync). I may re-upload the video if people notice a lot but, since I am currently dealing with a copyright strike from ITV on the video, I don't want to remove it for now.

[@laurahubbard6906]

Some of the film and interview audio is hard to hear. Perhaps you could subtitle those bits.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

@@laurahubbard6906 Sorry, I literally just noticed this reply (KZbin is weird with when it decides to notify me when someone has replied!) I might come back some day and upload proper subtitles for it (think I still have my script somewhere). Can't promise if/when though. I did link the original interviews so maybe they have subtitles?

[@jurapilis]

Have you seen the 1943 German titanic film? It is a testimony to the poor quality of British engineering.

[@minorstrations160]

The Laughing Cavalier nice

[@ccalthrop6347]

The model of the ship under way at the beginning, just after the screen caption of Sunday, April 14, is actually a clip from the 1943 film.

[@scabbycatcat4202]

The special effects in this movie are truly astonishing considering it was made in 1958. Also it is the most accurate depiction of what really happened as opposed to the exaggerated versions of other productions

[@aviator2117]

Idk, titanic 1953 gives them all a run for their money

[@FullPlaythroughs]

32:15, hey that's Desmond Llewelyn, Q from most of the James Bond movies

[@bishopioanlightoller5302]

This is one Titanic film which has not lost any of its impact/power even after 62 years. I cry every time I see the final scene and the epilogue--and I've seen it quite a number of times. I personally consider it the best Titanic movie out there. Cameron's Titanic was nice for its accurate sets, but the love story is pretty corny and absurd. "A Night to Remember" did it almost 40 years before Cameron and MacQuitty did it best.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Firmly agree, although, to be fair, I have heard that Cameron effectively wanted to do a remake but in order to get the higher ups to finance his flick, he had market it to them as 'Rome and Juliet on the Titanic'. I do yearn for another 'A Night to Remember'style one (perhaps as a TV series?)

[@Maxmellow94]

Well titanic does the job of making you feel the loss watching the story of jack and Ross because you grow to bond with them and watching the end hits harder and Cameron being able to catch the true horror of the water scenes is a lot more intense. So he was a more intensive nought to remember. Here we follow too many Characters to feel the same way. Someone made this point and it makes so much sense. Be dude yo yo this day the ending has many fans upset with Cameron.

[@essessessesq]

agree 100% this is the BEST Titanic film

[@pizzaboy3946]

Kenneth More: one of our greatest actors with incredible screen presence from the golden age of cinema.

[@AllenJones-w3p]

Mr. More was indeed one of Britain's finest actors. In addition to ANTR, he played ace RAF fighter pilot Douglas Bader in REACH FOR THE SKY and Royal Navy Captain Jonathan Shepard in SINK THE BISMARCK!

[@forgedby2112]

Piece of advice: If you're going to amend your videos with subtitled footnotes that's fine. Just leave them on screen for more than 3 or 4 frames. We can't read that fast.

[@UFOBobTV]

forgedby2112 I can’t agree more. I had to rewind and stop the video multiple times so I could read your footnotes. Otherwise, this is an excellent video.

[@genesis1765]

exactly plus speaking while the subs are shown defeats the purpose.

[@georgesenda1952]

It’s one of MY greatest peeves with YT videos. Slides that don’t stay on the screen long enough to read them; theme music that is too loud & instructional videos where the person races through the steps & you spend forever trying to rewind to see what they are doing. People seem to assume that just because they know the subject that the new viewer or person wanting to learn how to do something should easily be able to follow along & sadly that is all too often NOT the case.

[@essessessesq]

just click the PAUSE button! works well

[@dennisdaily5463]

My God, what an enormous amount of planning and work went into this review. Exceptional. Great narration. Thanks.

[@fmyoung]

The soundtrack composer of this film was alive for only ten more days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the Titanic's wreck. His name was William Alwyn, and he died on September 11 1985

[@melenatorr]

Lord's book was my introduction to the Titanic story. The passage that basically just lists a miscellany of items falling and crashing is haunting. In this movie, the last scene with the musicians and the plaintive notes of "Nearer My God" is chilling. Thank you for this in-depth look at this no-frills, compassionate film.

[@DrDaveShows]

Kenneth More in roles to me is the quintessential British officer, whether on the bridge of the Titanic trying to stop it from sinking, or trying to sink the Bismark.

[@georgemartin1436]

Agreed.

[@AllenJones-w3p]

​@@georgemartin1436Amen!

[@fmyoung]

He died in Fulham the same area in West London where the Goodwins lived .

[@harrietharlow9929]

This is my favourite and most-watched Titanic movie. The closing scenes where the wireless operator says that the Californian has just contacted them and is asking if she can do anything, and Rostron said, "No. Tell them that everything humanly possible has been done. Then Lightoller looking down at flotsam from the Titanic. These scenes have lost none of their power in the 63 years since the film had its premiere.

[@SafetySpooon]

The man who first sights the iceberg is Bernard Fox. He was not just famous for comedic roles in "Bewitched" & "Hogan's Heroes", but he was in James Cameron's "Titanic" as well.

[@whovianhistorybuff]

Yes he played Archibald Gracie (although Gracie was an American from Alabama).

[@1IbramGaunt]

Fantastic review, it's my favourite adaptation too (so far as something so tragic can be anyone's favourite anything). The scene where the band are playing their last song still makes a tear come to the eye for me, whichever song it really was

[@Jay-vr9ir]

Speaking of stars in the movie the steward , telling people to put on life belts , Chop!Chop! also played The Beatles road manager in A Hard Day's Night and the waiter that said they dropped a propeller blade , was the hotel waiter in A Hard Day's Night.

[@bradwalton8373]

The third-class steward saying "chop! chop! savvy?" was Norman Rossington (1928-1999), who appeared in dozens of British movies and television shows from the 60s and 70s. One of his most memorable roles for me was as Lorenzo, Casanova's jailer in the Venetian prison (i piombi), in "Casanova" the six-episode BBC mini-series (1971) starring Frank Finlay. He was also in several "Carry-on" movies, as well as "Lawrence of Arabia| (uncredited), "The Wrong Box," "Young Winston", and "I, Claudius."

[@ccalthrop6347]

Also in 1979’s SOS Titanic as Master-at-Arms T. King. There’s a scene where he berates third class passengers for entering first class, but lets the women through to the lifeboats.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

"Stop bein' taller than me!"

[@Jay-vr9ir]

@@jenniferschillig3768 I got a good mind to thump you!

[@simonfrost7094]

@@bradwalton8373 I remember him mostly for ANTR, but also as a English soldier who, along with his friend Sean Connery, can't stand the playing of the bagpipes by his superior officer in The Longest Day after they capture Pegasus Bridge.

[@michaelneel4828]

I don't come to these videos often . I don't think many people realize how many lives are wrapped up in this Disaster . I'm not going into it to much but my Great Grand mother Alberta sheriton Fenwich was traveling with my Grand mother Ida Fenwich on the Carpathia when she turned course & went full steam to the Titanic . My Grand Mother gave up her suite & went to stay with Great Grand Mothers suite . It was MRS Margret Brown who took my Grand Mothers suite . I also have the letter written from Margret Brown thanking my Great Grand Mother & my Grand Mother Ida for them being so kind as to turn over Grand Mothers room . She wished my Great Grand mother & Grand mother a full thank you & said that night was a night to remember . Little did I ever know that would make a movie after that comment . I still have her return address 1340 Pennsylvania street, Denver, CO, 80203 . Yes I had it put under glass & with out acid backing paper so it should last . I Hope !!!

[@franl155]

That's an amazing story - and I don't mean "story" in the "made-up" sense. It would have been "aboard the Titanic" if it were. I've never seen much said about the Carpathia going at full speed through the night - and going through the same ice-filled patch of ocean. It could have happened to them, too.

[@cak8132]

Wow!! What a wonderful story!! And a unique piece of Titanic-related memorabilia, too.

[@leijen208]

What a piece of history to own

[@essessessesq]

@@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices in truth, most of the wealthy 1st Class Men went down with the ship....Astor, Guggenheim. Straus, Thayer, Gracie, Major Butt, W.T. Stead and on and on....

[@jenniferschillig3768]

Interesting to note that Laurence Naismith (Captain Smith) and Kenneth More (Lightoller) reunited for the 1970 movie musical Scrooge...as Mr. Fezziwig and The Ghost Of Christmas Present, respectively.

[@TitanicHorseRacingLover]

Naismith, More, and Michael Goodliffe (Thomas Andrews) reunite in "Sink the Bismarck!" (1960 or 1961) also.

[@pj61114]

This was the BEST version and black and white is a fantastic way to tell the story. It is fun to pick out discrepancies and I appreciate that.. Motion pictures are like oil on canvas paintings which can express themselves better than raw photographs.

[@idamarsillo7327]

There was so much publicity about Titanic sailing. How did the California not know about this? Also they did not know about the flares. What the heck. I also wanted to know who was the woman who extended her arm to a gentleman who entered her boudaire. Apologize for misspelling.

[@borleyboo5613]

Brilliant review and analysis. One of my all time favourite films as well, and I also have Walter Lord’s book. I like this version so much better than Cameron’s romantic codswallop. Thank you. 👍😃

[@essessessesq]

BRAVO ! Cod's wallop is 100% right!

[@GoGreen1977]

I live in Denver where the "Molly Brown house" has been preserved and restored to what it like when she lived there, at least to the extent possible. There are not any silver dollars in the flooring that I'm aware of, but maybe she's referring to another house or the silver dollars were removed at one time. And yes, when you tour the home, the guides do remind us that her real name was Margaret, not Molly, although her preserved home still uses the name "Molly".

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

That's interesting, I didn't know they had preserved her house. I know there is a hotel in Liverpool (?) that has a whole room furnished with the fittings from the Olympic's (Titanic's sister ship) dining room. Currently, they are also restoring one of the tenders that transferred people to the Titanic in Cherbourg (think the tender is now in Belfast).

[@GoGreen1977]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier She also had a summer/country house about 10 miles southwest of central Denver. It is still standing in the suburb of Lakewood. It has been used for various purposes. I think now it's an event center for weddings and such.

[@whovianhistorybuff]

True among her friends her shortened name was Maggie, and no one referred to her as "the unsinkable molly brown" until the stage musical, she was once quoted as saying "the titanic wasn't unsinkable, but I am".

[@simonfrost7094]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I think the hotel you're referring to is The White Swan in Alnwick, Northumberland. The dining room in that hotel was furnished with fittings taken from the Olympic after she was broken up nearby in Jarrow.

[@cak8132]

I have great fondness for the movie (and the book) “A Night To Remember”. The movie was the start of my lifelong fascination with the Titanic way back in 1960. After seeing it, I practically ran to the library to find the book. Even in 2023, the movie still holds up. It’s far superior to Cameron’s “Titanic” despite all that movie’s bells and whistles. I always say that there is no perfect Titanic movie. The best movies get some things wrong and the worst movies surprise us and get a few things right. But overall, “A Night To Remember”, although over a half a century old and done years before the Titanic was discovered on the ocean floor by Dr. Robert Ballard, remains somewhat the gold standard for Titanic movies.

[@essessessesq]

all true!

[@martinidry6300]

I'm of the opinion that the splitting of the ship didn't happen. It must have split when it either hit the ocean floor or hit the several underwater mountains and / or ridges. Cameron chose to depict this in his film simply because it was more dynamic. Don't know how many witnesses said it split, but I strongly suspect not many - including newsparer reports.

[@daviddavies2072]

Great film, well acted , best film to watch on a rainy Sunday afternoon xx

[@fmyoung]

The soundtrack composer died only ten days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the wreck

[@piotrd.4850]

31:34 - actor who VERY MUCH resembles Connery is visible at one point of lowering of lifeboats.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

No he isn't, that's a myth. An actor called Larry Taylor is the deck hand lowering the boat in the claimed scene, not Sean Connery.

[@A-R-17]

A Night to remember starring Sean Connery, Honor Blackman and Desmond Llewelyn. Goldfinger was basically an “A Night To Remember” reunion

[@knownpleasures]

Ummm Sean Connery wasn’t in a night to remember

[@whovianhistorybuff]

@@knownpleasures yes that's a myth.

[@toosiyabrandt8676]

HI The ' Skaubryn', the ship I boarded with my parents and brother in Bremerhaven to migrate to Australia, caught fire and we had to get into life boats 'Just for a precaution' [ Advice given us to prevent panic ] in the Indian Ocean at 9. 30pm April the 1st 1958, the same year this film came out about the sinking of the Titanic! The Skaubryn sank while being towed away the next day as an engine room explosion blew a hole in the keel. All passengers and crew rowed for 3 hours to the ' City of Sydney' [ A freighter ] during the night. Thanks to the Titanic disaster we had enough life boats for all of us! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.

[@daviddefusco683]

It doesn't add up right.listen closely to what he says:first class etc.

[@daviddefusco683]

You talk to fast,can't understand half of it sir.

[@daviddefusco683]

And you need to leave the words on longer.

[@scook5599]

That must have been very frightening!

[@chrisquivers968]

I’ve listened to Captain Rostron’s interview and I love it!

[@fmyoung]

Me too; he was a very capable captain. As soon as he heart Cottam out he took such wise step as to turn his ship to the scene first and then check on the story. As Walter Lord wisely observed "Nine out of ten captains would've done it the other way around."

[@Azdaja13]

8-year old Cavalier death glare be like "Don't you bring that iceberg near my Lego Titanic!"

[@Rebelheart1985]

Honestly that conversation between Lights and Gracie pretty much sums up my thoughts on the actions of the crew: that they did the best they could in a situation where everything was working against them

[@TorontoJediMaster]

@27:00, Harold Cottam actually lived until 1984, dying at the age of 93. It's rather amazing to think of the events and technological advances he'd have seen in his lifetime. The wreck of the Titanic was discovered fifteen months after he passed away.

[@connorredshaw7994]

Imagine if he lived long enough to here that the wreck was finally found

[@derekheeps1244]

the depiction of the iceberg is also better than any other film - there is one photograph of the actual iceberg and the shape of it as shown in this film just before the collision is accurate

[@bradwalton8373]

41:50 -- Arthur Peuchen: he was a citizen of my home town, Toronto, and his house on Jarvis St. survived until about 1972, when it was pulled down. He also had a large estate on Lake Simcoe, of which the main house still exists. He owned an acetone factory at the bottom of Jones St (if I remember correctly) in the east end. He was also a close friend of Sir Henry Pellatt, the builder of Casa Loma and another member of the Queen's Own Rifles. Peuchen had the misfortune of surviving not only the Titanic, but also WWI, which people chose to regard as suspicious. His son, Alan (who appears in some press photos meeting his father in New York after the Titanic) served in the Imperial Royal Field Artillery in WWI and suffered a crippling injury "to the loins." He never married or had children, apparently. After his father's death, Alan lived with his mother, Mrs. Peuchen, for at least a few years in the Annex neighbourhood. He apparently died in 2004 at the age of 106, which would seem to make him one of Canada's last surviving WW1 veterans. Peuchen's daughter Jesse married her brother's fellow officer Henry Chichele Lefroy (1890-1965) grandson of Sir John Henry Lerfroy, the distinguished colonial administrator and scientist. Major Peuchen had a lot of ups and downs after the Titanic, (I think he was virtually homeless at one point in the 1920s, while living in Alberta, where he owned a lumber company ), but he seems always to have bounced back, one way or another. He never gave up yachting and, if I remember correctly, took his family on a yachting trip to the Caribbean in the late 1920s. His final Toronto residence was on Roxborough St.E. in Rosedale. Major Peuchen is buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetery beside his wife, Jessie Thomson Peuchen of Orillia (d, 1951). He has descendants still living, but I don't know whether anyone has properly interviewed them on the details of his life and and that of his other family members.

[@fmyoung]

Oh so he lived in Toronto I knew he was born in Montreal

[@morganb9372]

I just love how you added clips of actual people from the events speaking. It makes the horror of that night much more real.

[@punch6832]

I HATED the way James Cameron’s movie made Lightoller look like a cowardly twit. He was not. He was a fine officer. Cameron loved this movie and lifted many things from it, by his own admission. So, why he did that is a mystery to me and shameful.

[@ImperialMJG]

Lightholler was a shit and is responsible himself for the deaths of about 200 of them because of his lack of filling the lifeboats.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

Whatever errors Lightoller may have made, he was a hero of Dunkirk. (Mark Rylance's character in Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk is said to be inspired by him.)

[@whovianhistorybuff]

@@jenniferschillig3768 true he didn't worry about overfilling boats then, in one go he managed to get 130 onto his boat the sundowner and to show how loaded it was click my link and imagine 130 people on that boat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundowner_%28yacht%29?wprov=sfla1

[@cak8132]

@Punch - I agree about Cameron’s portrayal of Lightoller. He made him seem somewhat strange and wild-eyed and almost a bit demonic. I have no idea why Cameron chose to do that. It seemed like a great disservice to Lightoller’s memory as well as any surviving family members of his.

[@doodledangernoodle2517]

Murdoch easily got the worst portrayal in Cameron’s movie. He shoots people and then commits suicide.

[@laurahubbard6906]

Flawed or not, it is still the best Titanic film made to date.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Definitely agree. Sadly we haven't had too many ones that have tried to be accurate, I still remember that god awful 2012 one written by Julian Fellowes who thought he was writing Downton Abbey on Sea!

[@davebillnitzer5824]

Nice overview of the movie. One goof I never noticed before. Around the 38:00 minute mark here, when Mr. Lucas is convincing his wife to take the lifeboat and take their three children with her, the boy at first is seen very much awake in Robert's arms, with his eyes wide open and clutching his little doll. However, a few seconds later, when Robert hands the boy over to Lightoller, the child is limp and fast asleep, and he is no longer clutching the black-face doll.

[@darthstarkiller1912]

I'm a huge Titanic buff. I have well over a dozen books about the ship at my house, some of them I've had ever since I was a kid. I first saw this film when I was about 11 and read the original book around that time as well. I didn't really get into the film as much as 1997's "Titanic" (still one of my all-time favorites). Now as an adult, I really love the authenticity of this film considering it was made almost 30 years before the shipwreck was found. The sets are very good and I am glad they used original deck plans to bring the ship to life. A few flaws here and there, but I'm only nitpicking. Now compare the sets in this film to the 1953 "Titanic" with Barbara Stanwyck. God, were they incredibly inaccurate in that film, and it ticks me off. Other than that, the cast in this film is great, and the special effects are very impressive for that time. I am kinda disappointed this film was snubbed at the Oscars. It could've gotten a few nominations I think.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Oh yes the 1953 one, I remember seeing that one years ago! If it had just been a story about a guy and his estranged wife on a cruise liner that meets with tragedy it probably would have been better, but since they added the 'Titanic' label to it... I will probably be making a Rant video about Titanic dramas (like my Tudor Drama rants) for the next anniversary, will probably have to add the 1953 one to the list! Like you said, A Night to Remember is a really good film. I am sure they used to show it on BBC 2 years ago, but I haven't seen it on the main channels for years.

[@simonfrost7094]

If you thought the sets in Titanic (1953) were inaccurate, then don't watch SOS Titanic (1979). They used the Queen Mary as a stand-in for Titanic and there's even a scene where Bruce Ismay shouts down from a balcony above the gymnasium to Thomas Andrews! It's only notable for the fact it was the first Titanic movie made in colour, other than that it's pretty forgettable film (though it does have David Warner as Lawrence Beesley)

[@galatheumbreon6862]

at around 25:39 into the video, I believe the elderly lady is suppose to be Ella White, a first class passenger and the younger woman by her side is Marie young. Ella was quite the figure, it was reported she has a cane with a light in it which she gestered while in a lifeboat with Marie

[@madnatty]

My favourite movie. I’ve seen it many many times.

[@mariacrumble-hulme8674]

The best Titanic film of all 🕊🙏✝️

[@fmyoung]

Talk about it; I've been going back to it quite a few times myself

[@fmyoung]

19:50 Shipbuilder Magazine said of WS's new superliners that they were "practically unsinkable" but somewhere in the retelling (early into it I'm sure) the adverb was dropped and everyone just went and said they were unsinkable

[@hannahbeanies8855]

I like this version and Cameron’s both, but for different reasons. Cameron really stressed how the titanic was in life before she struck the berg. Cameron also contributed to the historical research of the titanic and continued to for years after. The romance was a bit of a framing devise for that, and it worked to get the project greenlit. I like this film’s more somber tone and how it is through different perspectives. The disaster starts more polite and slow and then keeps steadily increasing in intensity and horror, just like in real life. They are both great films imo.

[@dexxy84]

Someone may have already commented on your thoughts on Greenwich Mean Time but I’ll repeat just in case. In navigating at sea, pre satellite days, you could use the sun and stars to located your position north to south but not east to west. Ships kept a clock set for GMT and knew by the sun how far beyond GMT they were to establish their east west coordinate.

[@JamesPlaysJP]

I love this review, it’s nice to have ANTR reviewed by a person that reads up on the real history, but to correct you , Andrews and Captain Smith did split up to make their own inspections, even Ismay did his own inspection

[@tracymcardle7395]

Considering this film was made in 1958 it is brilliant, much better than Titanic I hated the stupid love story, you would think they were the only ones on the boat! ANTR covered all the passengers, which made it more interesting. I think ANTR is oveall a better film.

[@AllenJones-w3p]

ANTR is indeed a cinematic masterwork. Compared to it, the Cameron film was nothing!

[@essessessesq]

agree...the plot of the 1997 film is like a comic book written for 12 year old girls.......THIS film was written for grown ups

[@JOSH-lw2jv]

Fun Fact: Norman Rossington, who played Chief Steerage Steward James Kiernan trying to convince non-English passengers to put on lifebelts, would later play the Master-At-Arms Thomas King in *"S.O.S. TITANIC"* (1979).

[@fmyoung]

52:46 "Approach to the New World" was actually the painting in the Olympic; the one in the Titanic was 'Plymouth Harbor". Both paintings are by Norman Wilkinson who in 1917 invented dazzle painting .

[@charlietheanteater3918]

Okay so I’m a complete idiot, I found out that Colonel Archibald Grace was actually an American, not British as I was led to believe in the 1997 Titanic film. He was surprisingly Southern, from Mobile Alabama, and his father was a Confederate Colonel who fought in the battle of Chickamauga (A battle I reenacted in, it was a re creation in my home state in Illinois, so not the real battle field). I’ve been a titanic buff for a long time (mainly from the Officers perspective, I cannot tell you the amount of school reports I must have done on Wilde or Murdoch throughout my middle school years- Which is when my titanic craze was in full swing) I was aware that there were a few Americans on the ship but I never realized there were so many. For the longest time I never got why us “Yanks” cared so much about the ship, when I just assumed it was mainly British history for many years. It was only until embarrassingly recently that I realized that there were over 300 aboard the titanic (I only thought there were around 30 or so). I don’t know how I didn’t realize this, I thought that only Astor and some of the other 1st class passengers were Americans and the rest were Brit’s. Well, I guess there are worse Idiot moments about history I could be having (some people don’t even know the ship was real: unfortunately I’m not joking)

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I haven't seen Cameron's Titanic in a while but I remember that they cast Bernard Fox, a British actor, as Gracie in that (funnily enough, Fox played one of the lookouts in a Night to Remember!). Gracie also wrote a book about the Titanic, there is a link on Archive.org: archive.org/details/truthabouttitan00gracgoog/page/n9 Also, whilst the White Star Line was technically British, J.P. Morgan owned it, although he (luckily for him) missed the Maiden voyage. If you like looking at the officers then within the next month I should have a video out looking at the officer suicide controversy.

[@peterhill8398]

Don't worry, I'm Australian and I only found out recently, there were 6 Australians on board the Titanic (2 of whom survived the sinking).

[@charlesdarnay5455]

Excellent and detailed review of the movie treatment of Walter Lord's classic account. One comment about the writer's changing the names of historical passengers and creating semi-fictional blends of others. Remember that in 1958, when the movie was released, many survivors were still living as well as their offspring or relatives. While Walter Lord's book is based on his personal interviews of more than 60 such survivors, it is unlikely the film studio obtained their permission to portray them in a filmed version. It is unlikely that descendants of Sir Cosmo and Lady Duff Gordon would have consented, given the controversy that followed them after the disaster. And Capt. Lord of the Californian took up his case to clear his name (initially threatening to sue Walter Lord) based on how he was portrayed in the movie. Many survivors were invited to the various premieres of the movie, and would have been no doubt concerned to see themselves portrayed without their permission. So ... there is good reason that many passengers' names were changed

[@fmyoung]

I didn't know that Cpt Lord threatened to sue Walter Lord at one point

[@reneeperry3701]

One of the best British films ever. Much better than the Hollywood version which is over-dramatized except for the truly haunting song sung by Céline Dion.

[@fmyoung]

17:38 The first chapter of Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" is called "Another Belfast Trip"

[@TorontoJediMaster]

@42:39, Isidor Strauss is depicted as speaking with an "old country" German accent. While he had been born in Bavaria, he had immigrated (with his family) to the United States when he was nine or ten years old. So, in all likelihood, he would have lost his accent long before. In fact, his family had first settled in Georgia; so if he might have actually had a southern accent.

[@fmyoung]

43:54 They were also worried the boats would buckle and break; this although Harland & Wolff stated they could be filled right up to their specified capacities .

[@chriswardlow9441]

Well I like your review this is one of my favourite films and the Titanic has been a part of my life for over 65 years.I think we must understand that this film was on a slim budget and very nearly came close to not being made at all but thanks to producer William MacQuitty he got his way. In my book it's better than James Cameron's way over budget version, and after all at the end of the day we have to accept what they call Artistic License.Thanks for sharing.

[@kevinchun5242]

I cry when ship goes down in A night to remember taking all those people with it. Cameron an action director and did titanic in that vein who ever wrote ANTR did it like a horror film and it pays off.

[@giovannirastrelli9821]

Roy Ward Baker actually did direct several horror films.

[@bradwalton8373]

50:10 -- I haven't heard of any evidence that Captain Smith made a general command of "Abandon Ship!" What I have read is that he walked a little aft along the promenade deck advising individual crew members that there was no more they could usefully do, and that they were relieved from duty. He may have used the phrase "It's every man for himself," but, again, only to individual crew, or small groups of them.

[@AugustSideling]

Ok so that scene with the stoker stealing the lifebelt just doesn't cut it for me. In Bride's actual account, the Stoker leaned over Phillips and was trying to steal the lifebelt off Phillips's actual person. Which is horrifying.

[@Matthias333]

This is the last video of yours I had never gotten around to watching. Finally did and I actually think it's one of your best. Thanks as always, your channel is easily one of my favorites on YT. Please start a Patreon and take my money ;) .

[@redcardinalist]

Regarding the "creaks", as you'll no doubt know, they built an entire partial ship set for the upper decks, life boats etc. This was placed on hydraulics so that the set could gradually be titled to represent the ship sinking. A side effect of this was that the hydraulic system creaked and this sound was kept in the movie as it sounded like the ship timbers creaking. Also, Captain Smith has/had been criticised in some quarters for being very passive in the aftermath of the iceberg collision. It has been suggested that he wasn't as proactive as he might have been and had to be prompted to carry out actions. I have no idea how accurate that criticism is. However, it's worth noting that Smith had had a hugely succesful career with White Star and had been promoted to Comodore (basically head Captain). He was about to retire and as a recognition of his service, White Star gave him command of Titanic, their premier liner, on her maiden voyage. This was to be his final voyage (in more ways than one sadly) as he was to retire after this voyage. It's suggested therefore that the whole disaster may have overwhelmed him. As I say, I have no idea ho accruate the claims are. Also, regarding the painting in the first class smoking lounge, they knew full well, when they made the movie that this was the wrong painting for Titanic. The painting used "The Approach to the New World" was actually on Titanic's sister ship Olympic. However, as there was/is no visual record of Titanic's actual painting, they used Olympic's instead. Great movie and great video - thank you!

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

No problem, currently working on a video on the horrible 1996 Titanic mini series (the one with Tim Curry, Catherine Zeta-Jones etc.)

[@redcardinalist]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I forgot to mention something else - the band/orchestra members in the movie are too old. they were all in their twenties. I shall go look for your mini series video. Something I also spotted in a re-watch is that the extra standing in the background of Collapsable D at 57:15 is doing a very good job of appearing cold. I suspect the water was probably pretty chilly which no doubt helped.😀 I've been happily enjoying many of your other videos as a particular bugbear of mine is lack of effort put into accurate clothing by film/tv companies. Keep up the good work!

[@simonfrost7094]

@@redcardinalist The lifeboat sequences were filmed in Ruislip Lido, in the middle of Winter. They didn't need to fake the icy breath of the survivors!

[@fmyoung]

0:48 Kenneth More died in Fulham, the same area in West London where the Goodwins lived .

[@chrislondo2683]

The Horbury version of Nearer My God to Thee also made an appearance in James Cameron's 2003 documentary film Ghosts of the Abyss.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

I just think the melody's better than the Bethany one (is that the one they used in ANTR?).

[@fmyoung]

@@jenniferschillig3768 The Holbury version is the one used in ANTR

[@scottclark3139]

Was David McCullum one of the wireless operators as well?

[@gqjohnny]

That's David McCallum and yes he was wireless operator Harold Bride

[@fmyoung]

That's him as Harold Bride yes and McCallum is the narrator of A&E's awesome documentary "Titanic: The Complete Story". He starts the show off by saying "The North Atlantic is a harsh and jealous sovereign."

[@andreraymond6860]

A major shame Cameron didn't include the Californian and Carpathian in his film. Understandable given the already bloated running time.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

I think that he was supposed to, per the original shooting script, but that got cut for time--along with a fair chunk of other stuff, including everything that established who the Strausses were and what they decided to do before we saw them in their cabin with the water rushing in.

[@cak8132]

@@jenniferschillig3768 The elimination of the Strauses in Cameron’s “Titanic” was unforgivable. They are represented in every other Titanic movie or series. They easily could have been mentioned in the scene when Rose was pointing out various first class passengers to Jack in the dining room scene. Meanwhile, the Countess of Rothes is mentioned several times. Unless you already knew the story of the Strauses, one might have thought they were just an old couple in their cabin in Cameron’s film.

[@Gard7ner]

What a great Movie!

[@fmyoung]

34:48 Lifeboat #1 (capacity 40 people, occupancy 12) was the one lowered with the lowest occupancy rate, 30%. #6 (capacity 65, occupancy 22) was the one lowered with the most empty seats, 43. Of those 12 people in #1, only five were passengers, the other seven were all crew .

[@fmyoung]

19:27 I hear the berg also made it 2-3ft into the 6th compartment aft

[@giovannirastrelli9821]

Olympic’s reception and dining room (as well as Titanic’s) were always paneled in white/light colors, but the staircase and the landings from boat to c decks were paneled in classic brown oak. Olympic’s staircase was painted over in light green around 1932 in order to “refresh” the interiors. By all accounts, it was an epic fiasco, but that didn’t really matter because she would be retired and sent to the breakers three years later.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I saw an artists depiction of the green Olympic Grand Staircase once, it was certainly very "interesting" shall we say!

[@giovannirastrelli9821]

The Laughing Cavalier Apparently it was a lot more subtle and lighter than most renderings on the internet, but it was probably still ghastly and didn’t match the interior design in the slightest.

[@darthstarkiller1912]

Wish "Olympic" was spared from the scrapyard. She could've made an excellent floating hotel as well as a museum for her tragic sisters.

[@fmyoung]

19:42 'The Titanic was not designed for this scenario" (David McCallum as narrator of A&E's "Titanic: The Complete Story")

[@fmyoung]

2:08 Both the Titanic's launch and the death of the Titanic's last survivor took place on the same day, May 31st .

[@joroche2948]

I watched this great film last night here on KZbin. Still my favourite of all titanic films

[@fmyoung]

Me too I think it's the best one with or without CGI

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

While Cameron’s Titanic followed one fictional couple, I think it gives very good sense of everyone on board as well, while making it feel as if you are there by following one story so closely and giving their emotional responses. However this film shows the events better from the crews perspective.

[@DmayExpress]

Can you do Which is Better video discussing two Romantic Titanic Films? Titanic (1996 miniseries), and Titanic (1997 Theatrical Movie). Can you also review Sinking of the Lusitania: Terror at Sea?

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

1. I am currently working on a rant video about the 2012 Titanic miniseries. I expect I will cover the 1996 version next year. I am only doing one per video since it is a lot to cover. 2. I am also planning to do a video about the Lusitania one, but not for some time. O have already done a history video covering the true story of Avis Dolphin and Ian Holbourn.

[@DmayExpress]

The Laughing Cavalier Sounds Good. And yes I have your video about the history of Avis and Ian and I really like it. I’ve also forgot to mention for maybe a possibility of the 2000 film Britannic. Which has fictional aspects in the 2000 film.

[@fmyoung]

56:03 Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon had no inkling that a few acts of his such as giving the crew money to replace lost items, to have people gathered for a "team picture", and to have a festive champagne at the hotel would be misinterpreted .

[@jenniferschillig3768]

Think you'll ever cover the proshot of the Titanic musical? (I haven't seen the proshot yet, though the score is one of my favorite modern Broadway scores.)

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I doubt I will, never really been into musicals. Alice of Sherwood might be the one to ask, she has done a few videos on Titanic stuff aside from Tudor related videos as well and covers musicals.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier I think she did cover the Titanic musical, though not the proshot...unlike me, she didn't really like the show.

[@mattchelseadavis]

Why the Californian not turn their radio back on???

[@rouell5630]

I like this movie. This one tells more about the actual story of the ship. The 1997 one is really just romance, But I like both of them

[@rulebritannia1553]

Thanks 🙏 Happy 2022 Shout out from Oz

[@guitarlab7772]

A great review! Thank you. Upon your suggestion I watched it and I agree. It is quite good. I wish that it would have gone into Mr. Murdoch's side a bit more. I very much like how it showed Mr. Lightoller firing off several shots, INTO THE AIR, in order to maintain order. From all of my research, that is how it happened. I do not believe a White Star Line crewmember killed any passengers, or themselves, the night of the disaster.

[@essessessesq]

it was Officer Lowe who fired 3 times as his lifeboat was lowering, to make sure no group tried to jump into the lowering boat....NO other shots that night....unlike the Wild West gunplay of the 1997 farce

[@fmyoung]

1:01:28 That was one of the many good things Rostron did this brief service in memory of those lost and in thanksgiving for those saved .

[@patrickraynes6068]

After Margaret Brown says that they had silver dollars cemented all over the floors, what does the gentleman say to her? I've watched the movie so many times and still haven't figured it out.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I think he says "I say, how very tiresome for you"

[@patrickraynes6068]

Now that you mention that, it sounds like that’s what he says. Now my mind can be put to rest. 😄

[@essessessesq]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier thanks! great line!

[@demonblooddrinker7671]

I think the liner at 2:36 is the Aquitania if I’m not mistaken

[@fmyoung]

Likely not she was taken out of service in February 1950

[@demonblooddrinker7671]

@@fmyoungyes but the opening sequence uses a lot of stock footage so it probably is

[@fmyoung]

@@demonblooddrinker7671 Oh they could've just included older footage in there yes

[@demonblooddrinker7671]

@@fmyoung A Night to Remember came out in 1958. However it’s opening footage used news reel footage of other ships. Aquitania was also the last 4 funnel ocean liner. The ship also matches the Aquitania’s shape. So it’s most likely the Aquitania

[@fmyoung]

@@demonblooddrinker7671 Its opening footage yes I know they included older footage so that could've indeed been the Aquitania

[@baloo_2228]

There’s something that has always really really gotten under my skin about this movie… Why aren’t the first class male passengers wearing evening clothes in the dining room? It’s not the first night on board, and it was not meant to be the last as it unexpectedly would turn out… Does it have anything to do with it being Sunday? This was still an era In which one would change clothes for dinner. Any fashion historians or sartorial experts care to comment?

[@travel_and_trails]

I enjoyed your review of this film by interspersing passenger accounts and facts of what occurred,. May I request a video on the SS California vis-a-vis the Titanic? There was a bit of controversy on the subject when PBS (U.S.) 'Secrets of the Dead' ran the episode 'Abandoning the Titanic' Some experts dispute the theories proffered in this episode. I would enjoy your thoughts thought it may be outside the scope of your channel content. Thank you, Marina

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Thanks, but Titanic wise I will be busy reviewing the 1996 mini series (after all my Tudor related stuff) so anything Californian will have to be something I look at much further down the line, although I will briefly bring it up in the review since there is a bit with the Californian in the 96 one.

[@essessessesq]

The British Gov't resolved the SS Californian issue in 1992.....the British Gov't re-examined that issue after Titanic was discovered in 1985, and her true position finally known....below is a link to the official United Kingdom website that has the full report....About the question whether SS Californian is "to blame" for the number of casualties from the Titanic sinking:----- This is a summary from WIKI: "A re-appraisal by the British government.... published in 1992 by the Marine Accident Investigation Branch (MAIB)....[a]mong its conclusions were that although the Californian was far out of visual sight, the Titanic 's rockets had been sighted by the Californian's crew. Another conclusion of the gov't stated that it was unrealistic to assume that [Captain] Lord could have rapidly rushed towards the rockets while his ship was stopped in an ice field, and that with the Titanic reporting an incorrect position, the Californian would not have arrived until about the same time as the Carpathia and could only fulfill a similar role - only rescuing those who had escaped [in the lifeboats] [5] MAIB 1992 report p. 18,"----- [see Wiki entry for "Stanley Lord"]------In other words, Californian could NOT have got there in time to rescue the unfortunate people in the freezing water.----The real cause of the tragedy was the failure to get the final, and fatal, ice warning to the bridge----an ice warning that would have resulted in a course change far south, out of the danger.---So, all of the many books and movies that condemn Captain Lord and the Californian have been shown to be wrong, by the British government, correcting the mistaken conclusions regarding SS Californian reached by the Inquiries in 1912. www.gov.uk/maib-reports/actions-taken-by-steamship-ss-californian-during-the-sinking-of-passenger-cruise-ship-rms-titanic

[@aydancasey1953]

Rostron also confirms the version of events in his radio interview which is on KZbin

[@fmyoung]

17:09 I think the water was made to come in "at this height" just for sensation

[@0311uli]

Coming across some info regarding Hartley being Methodist, i suspect Propieo Deo version of Nearer My God to Thee would have been what he played at the end.

[@fmyoung]

13:26 That's right eh; she sailed four days after the end of a national coal strike in the UK and then April was still off-season anyway, so the Titanic was only two-thirds full (ever)

[@redcardinalist]

What an excellent video you've created here. "A Night to Remember" is, imo an excellent film (far better than Cameron's bloated lazy-arse monstrosity). I have the dvd which features as an extra a commentary by 2 reps from the Titanic Society which is very interesting to listen to from an accuracy point of view. They certainly rate the movie pretty highly.

[@redcardinalist]

@Matthew Bennett hardly surprising as Cameron ripped off Night To Remember in perhaps about 50% of the scenes in Titanic 🙄 My recollection (I last saw Titanic a long time ago) is that they have a good laugh from time to time.

[@TK42100]

Not just ANTR. That scene of Jack getting locked up in the Master-at-Arms office? It was based on something similar from the 1943 Nazi film.

[@1IbramGaunt]

Would you consider doing similar reviews for other classic black and white movies? The original 'Dunkirk' perhaps, or other war movies of the day like 'Ice Cold In Alex' or the Douglas Bader biographic 'Reach For The Sky', or even something even older and more obscure? :)

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Crikey, ain't seen those films for years! I remember 'Reach for the Sky' was quite good, can't remember 'Ice Cold in Alex' too well (think i was about five or six when I saw it last). I'll definitely consider those films at some point. I will be doing some Tudor related videos/reviews soon and was hoping at some point to cover some of the older films. I'll definitely consider it. One WW2 film (in colour of course) I really want to cover is 'Where Eagles Dare'. Historically, it is all over the place (all the Germans having sub-machine guns, the German general flying in a helicopter etc.) but it is just such a fun film to watch with a great soundtrack and cast you can't help but love it! I definitely want to cover the 1970 film 'Waterloo' at some point as well since I used to do Napoleonic re-enacting and have watched the film numerous times. I know History Buffs did a review of it a year or two ago but I think there are still some things I could cover about it.

[@1IbramGaunt]

The Laughing Cavalier well thanks for getting back to me and that sounds great, Waterloo in particular's amazing, and we might've been at the same crossover 'musters' a few times then haha as I used to be in the Sealed Knot Society a few years ago :)

[@1IbramGaunt]

The Laughing Cavalier on the subject of big, bombastic war films in colour then three others that definitely deserve more discussion are Battle Of Midway, Tora Tora Tora and of course, Battle Of Britain :) the Tudor-related vids sound cool too and I'd love to hear what you thought of 'The Tudors', the TV drama series

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Oh lord, not 'The Tudors'! Haven't seen it for a while. From what I remember, when it tried the history wasn't too bad but the costumes, the sets and some of the casting choices really bugged me. I'm currently doing a review of the 1970 TV Series 'The Six Wives of Henry VIII' which I think is one of the best they ever did on King Henry VIII. I'll probably look at 'The Tudors' somewhere down the line. Yeah, I'll have to add them on my list. I've got Tora Tora Tora and Battle of Britain both on DVD. 'The Longest Day' might be a good black and white one to do, particularly since it looks at all sides of the Normandy Landings.

[@1IbramGaunt]

The Laughing Cavalier oh I agree entirely although it was when Anne Boleyn was doing a period dance piece with her ladies and said 'ok' very loudly and they didn't bother editing it out that REALLY made me want to change the channel 😂 and yeah Longest Day is brilliant, really underrated, everyone bangs on about Saving Private Ryan that just happens to be partly set around D-day but never seem to say anything about the only film to show the whole thing properly, despite how many big stars were in it

[@fmyoung]

27:51 I think Rostron was the type who would listen first and resort to reprimanding only if there was good, cogent reason. And, what Rostron did right after Cottam told him about the Titanic, he phoned the bridge and ordered First Officer Horace Dean to turn the ship right to the disaster scene, and then he asked Cottam if he was sure . That's the mark of a good captain.

[@fmyoung]

25:41 I hear the gamblers on ocean liners at the time were politely called "sportsmen"

[@youtubecreators384]

Hello again. Came back to rewatch this review of this criminally underrated movie, and one confuses me about it. You said that in retrospect, the Titanic disaster ended the Edwardian Era. According to Wikipedia, that era ended in 1910. Two years before the sinking of the Titanic. So it's a bit confusing to me.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Well, depends how you define it. Technically, yes it ended in 1910, but quite often historians extend it a bit beyond that since culturally things stayed the same for a few years after Edward's death. Some say 1912 with Titanic since that really shook things up quite a bit (pretty sure Walter Lord does talk about it in his books), other say 1914 with the First World War. History is often divided into periods but of course when those periods start and end is often quite difficult to accurately define, particularly since I doubt people woke up in 1912 and suddenly went "my God, the Edwardian era just ended!"

[@youtubecreators384]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier Well, regardless of what ended the Edwardian Era, I think we can all agree that the sinking of the Titanic taught humanity humility. It proved that no matter how technologically advance we as a species will ever get, no matter how advanced we become, we have no power over this planet. We're just living in it.

[@davidwright7193]

King Edward VII died in 1910 so if you regard the Edwardian era as being his reign then yes. But things aren’t that neat. The Edwardian era is really from the start of the Boor war to August 1914. The Victorian era really begins in 1832 4 years before Victoria inherited the crown. British historians often regard the 18th Century as running from 1688 to 1815, 1828 or even 1832 which is why you will hear it called the long 18th century as it lasts nearly 150 years.

[@fmyoung]

20:04 That reminds me of Walter Lord's if-onlys "If only her bulkheads went one deck higher" .

[@georgesenda1952]

Your rant on the Titanic drama series is hilarious ! LMAO ! Far better than the real production & it's like Mystery History Theater 1912. Great stuff, You should do more of this.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

Thanks, at some point this year I will be doing a rant on the 1996 mini series.

[@georgesenda1952]

@@The_Laughing_Cavalier You could also do a short rant on The Time Tunnel where the two heroes wind up on the Titanic & try to stop Smith from sinking the ship. Video was on YT the last I looked.

[@scottclark3139]

There must be no alarm and no panic. 2 hours later. excellent!

[@fmyoung]

How can there be "no alarm and no panic" if there were no lifeboats for the remaining 1,500 or so people on board

[@alexanderrigby7889]

Hi there great review of this film I was wondering can you do a review of the 1997 titanic film please and keep doing the good work on your titanic reviews and with its history.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

I will review the 1997 one some day. I have a series (Rant about Titanic dramas and history) part 1 covered the 2012 series and part 2 will cover the 1996 tv mini series.

[@gqjohnny]

Why no mention that David McCallum played a significant supporting role as wireless operator Harold Bride? By the way Bride survived the sinking and gave important testimony at the inquests. And David McCallum gave excellent narration on an A&E documentary on Titanic

[@fmyoung]

That A&E documentary is "Titanic: The Complete Story"; he starts his narration off on it by saying "The North Atlantic is a harsh and jealous sovereign" and about half-way through it he says "The airwaves of the North Atlantic crackled with news too extraordinary to believe"

[@fmyoung]

45:50 No matter what the law or requirements were at the time or whether WS supplied more boats than required it was still bad to not supply full lifeboat capacity on ocean liners .

[@essessessesq]

perhaps, BUT Titanic ran out of TIME.....there were still 2 boats empty unfilled and not lowered when the ship went under the water....the crew had only enough time to put 700 people into 18 lifeboats...at that point, at 2:20 a.m., the 1500 people still on Titanic were floating in the 28 degree North Atlantic Ocean....i would have made no difference if Titanic had ONE HUNDRED more lifeboats in her davits....they ran out of TIME to use them

[@fmyoung]

@@essessessesq Yeah that's too bad they would've had the time if they had been properly trained and if both passengers and crew had lifeboat assignments so everyone knew where to go .

[@essessessesq]

@@fmyoung the crew on Titanic were all veteran sailors taken from other White Star ships to ensure that Titanic had experienced sailors, they were thus fully trained and knew how to fill and lower lifeboats...as for the passengers, their stewards had taken them to the boat deck....between crew and passengers there had to be 1500 people on the boat deck, with other crew still working below decks....so it WAS going to be rather chaotic at times but went as well as could be expected....lack of drills or training was NOT a factor....in fact, the heroic male crew got 74% of all females on Titanic safely into the boats and away....but only a mere 16% of the MEN on Titanic saw the next sunrise.....there was NO TIME to rescue any more than the 700

[@fmyoung]

@@essessessesq It's just too bad the boats weren't filled right Harland & Wolff clearly stated that was no problem they wouldn't buckle or break Drills and training would've helped them be more efficient still

[@essessessesq]

@@fmyoung the officers knew Titanic had very little time left....so the plan was to ensure that as many boats got into the water as possible before she sank....a party of stewards and passengers was sent to the aft gangway door to put more people into the boats after they were in the water....that plan went awry because the group got lost below decks and also because the lifeboat crews and passengers were afraid to linger near the sinking ship....Lightolller testified about this situation at the Official US and UK Inquiries....that is why the early boats were lowered less than full, plus the fact passengers were then unwilling to trade the huge Titanic to get into a little boat....700 was the most they were going to get into the boats that night. No one is to ''blame'' for that. People are imperfect.

[@derekheeps1244]

You mentioned Connery having an uncredited part - that could be him at 1:04:19 , look at those eyebrows

[@daviniarobbins9298]

Am not sure I trust Lightoller's witness tesimony. What he said at the inquest in 1912 is completely different to what he said in 1933(?) in an BBC radio interview. I mean which account is true? In 1912 he said he didn't leave the ship the ship left him. In 1933 he said he dived off the ship into the water. Both accounts can't be true. It puts he says of that night into question and can't be trusted. Was he lying in 1912 or 1933?

[@Rubin_Schmidt]

The omission to mention the bunker fire which had spread from No. 9 to No. 10, and was now out of control according to John Diley, fireman and survivor. !!!

[@davebillnitzer5824]

@@Rubin_Schmidt The coal bunker fire had already been extinguished on Saturday, the day before striking the iceberg, and the bulkhead had cooled down enough to where the men working the fire were able to rub oil on the charred spots where the paint had peeled or burnt off.

[@Rubin_Schmidt]

@@davebillnitzer5824 Not according to eye witnesses at the time, or statements they made to the press. !!!

[@bramijdema759]

Why are people picking sides between James Cameron’s version and A Night to Remember? James Cameron saw A Night to Remember and wanted to make his own version, it’s not a competition, Cameron was such a fan, many of the deleted scenes are almost exactly the same as A Night to Remember.

[@essessessesq]

the plot of the 1997 film was like a paperback book written for 12 year old girls....i know, he had to do that or the film would not have been made at all, but it was unbelievably puerile....the ludicrous Wild West shoot-em-up gun battle on the ship summed up the entire plot