A Ryzen 5K Mini PC For Under $300? Minisforum UM560XT Review

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[@boban250]

Regarding the power measurement at the wattmeter, 70 watts is the full 65 W delivered to the machine at over 90% efficiency so actually in spec :D

[@glorence330]

2-3-4 years out of this? Comeon man.. i have a AM2+ board with some Phenom in it, DDR2 and a 1030GT still chugging along with Linux Lite. That's 2008! 15years! This thing will be awesome for at least that long.

[@Blasserman]

Regarding the power supply, the specs are for output power not input power. Most switchers typically sport around 90% efficiency. I want to make one of those into a server.

[@goryramsy]

Would love to see a mini pc showdown, comparing lots of them for things like price, size, and performance.

[@donsfromnz6515]

Wendels mate Steve @ Serve the Home has done just that

[@stevenwest1494]

I was seriously considering this unit as a media centre PC, aaaaand not much has changed since seeing this video. I think it's a must.

[@SalmonColor]

I picked up the UM560XT last month and it's been great!

[@VideogamesAsArt]

I convinced my friend to get one of these instead of one of the crappy Celeron ones for barely any saving. I am excited to see their thoughts once they get RAM and an SSD to boot it up!

[@FaithsFallen]

The Ryzen 5 5600H is a decent chip for emulation, and it can run most older titles (5/10 years ago) at 1080. This is a decent package for older games and emulation!

[@RayanMADAO]

Not everything is about playing games

[@FaithsFallen]

@@RayanMADAO and not everything is about throwing negativities for absolutely zero reason! I hope you are happy, my Mandingo!

[@U2VidWVz]

Thanks for the tip on the sale. I was looking at these a few weeks ago and just purchased as an upgrade for my parents. :) Cheers!

[@artvram]

I got one of these a couple weeks ago. Added a spare SSD and upgraded to 64gb of RAM. Makes a very good proxmox node for my needs

[@ReynirHelgason]

Hi, I'm considering getting a UM 560xt as well and add 64gb memory, which ram kit did you buy?

[@PowerPie5000]

I recommend getting a better power supply for this. Running it under load with multiple drives or USB devices will cause it to crap out and it's down to the cheap unbranded 65W power supply. I'm now using it with an old 120W laptop power supply and it's not crashed since! Make sure it's a 19V PSU with a 5.5mm*2.5mm centre positive connector. I'd go for at least 90W. The TDP for the Ryzen 5600H chip alone is 45W (up to 54W), although it looks like it may be configured to 35W. The BIOS is old school 90s jank and pretty limited. The user selectable TDP setting only shows options up to 25W which is poor. The BIOS for my unit is from March 2023. Anyway, the build quality is good considering it's all plastic and the fan doesn't get loud at all. It's audible, but much quieter than my old i5 NUC 8. The NVME heatsink is quite large and it's nice to see they included one. Ive not looked at the CPU cooling yet, but temps and fan noise seem fine (max I've seen so far is 74C). Minisforum claims it uses liquid metal on the cooler, but I'd take this with a pinch of salt based on previous reviews of their systems by well known KZbinrs. Minisforum even include a leaflet that tells you not to mess with the CPU cooler which I've not seen before (hiding something?). It seems to work well after swapping out the power supply for something with more headroom, but only time will tell.

[@PowerPie5000]

@@effectualpoet2321 The Minisforum UM560XT uses the Ryzen 5600H.

[@groggynod]

Mini PC manufacturers should take note here. Adding a PCI Express slot with some slight case modifications would make it so the end-user could add an external GPU and power supply for it. Throw in a riser cable and these would sell like hotcakes. 🤓

[@VideogamesAsArt]

not everyone uses these for gaming though

[@groggynod]

@@VideogamesAsArt um ok?🥴

[@Will-sc3hw]

There's ML applications too GPUs arent just for gaming@@VideogamesAsArt

[@VideogamesAsArt]

@@Will-sc3hw fair point, I agree

[@cracklingice]

I must stop thinking about how something like this would make a cool cluster.

[@floodo1]

My dad uses an old amd laptop as his desktop. I think I’m gonna buy him one of these for his birthday next month. Perfect timing!

[@garog]

Minisforum is damn good at offering powerful systems in an extreme form factor, love their stuff. Seriously considering their next laptop board conversion machine to replace my custom build setup, the form factor and power efficiency is incredibly ideal.

[@robertpearson8546]

The VESA mounting bracket is so you can place the computer where you cannot plug in a jump drive. Why laud a power brick that uses GaN in a 1920 vintage circuit. GaN in a 2023 circuit would be much cheaper.

[@romeozor]

Liquid metal is the Warranty Void If Removed sticker 2.0. It actually deterrs me from opening anything with LM. Who wants to deal with that hazard?

[@alex_liaskos_]

I have a Titan RTX, 10700k and 32GB RAM. As a python programmer in geosciences and spatial analysis, I deal with huge datasets and amounts of computations. I was thinking of NVDIMM and an extra HBM2 GPU. What CPU or workstation would you recommend??

[@fredd3.14]

damn thats some impressive performance for such a small form factor and good price.. looking at my huge desktop while i almost never game anymore 👀 too bad im in europe.

[@solocamo3654]

As a 15w tdp 4700U laptop owner with a Vega 7... e-sports are no problem at all*. This will do better*... *I'm talking CS:GO, etc., not apex legends though it is playable just not at what I'd consider competitive frames by any means. Any older games and it does great.

[@BladeWDR]

Looks like a nice platform for something like proxmox or xcp-ng. I love the little micro PCs - if you don't need PCI-e expansion you can pack a ton of compute onto a single rack shelf.

[@Nunkuruji]

I see these mini pcs and wonder why we don't have a few chipset-less mATX/ITX motherboard offerings. The real estate & BOM could be saved, The extra USB & SATA may be overkill/unused anyways, and presumably the dedicated PCIe lanes could be returned for unmultiplexed/standard PCIe or M.2 config.

[@phychmasher]

Hmm, a pair of these in a ESXi cluster for the homelab?

[@garrettkajmowicz]

"slower SATA SSD" I love living in the future.

[@performa476]

Really liking the micro ryzen PC offerings from companies like minisforum and beelink.

[@mmaster23]

Wendell losing weight my man? You're doing great, keep it up!

[@kuhluhOG]

Seems like a good small home server. What's the idle power consumption?

[@pothl]

I have one with 64GB RAM and a 1TB SSD. It idles at 9 watts per my Kill A Watt. Will be snagging some more of these as xcp-ng virtualization nodes.

[@kuhluhOG]

@@pothl Thx

[@president-bird]

Congrats on the weight loss!

[@HiddenAdept]

Honestly was looking at the Minisforum N40 on sale for $150 right now and I wish people with good internet would just buy those and use GeForce Now with them. Not an option for me cause I enjoy emulating console games and modding games but I suspect 90% of people out there could get the same experience their getting out of their gaming PC. If more people did it PC hardware prices would not be at the insane levels they are today.

[@timkarsten8610]

Wendell, we need that mega-desk follow up video. Don|t try to weasel out!

[@adaml.5355]

Nothing beats the Minisforum UM773 Lite for cost to performance. Nothing. It's practically the best deal in the PC world.

[@who2u333]

Love these mini PC review/comparisons.

[@Thiloyeah]

Hey there, so is 5900HX respectively RX gpu better for gaming than a random stationary 8GB GPU now? I also wonder if you could recommend any recent Monitors. Thanks in advance.

[@uncledrax]

Nice thank you. This should be great for my low-FLOPS-required-HomeVirtLab

[@JohnDoe-ki6yd]

The thing I'm really waiting on are the mini-PCs/Routers based on Ryzen embedded V3000 with the built-in 2x 10gbe NICs

[@Cynyr]

how well would this work as a proton client for the real machine elsewhere? I'd love to move my main machine somewhere harder for the 3 year old to get to and mount something behind the monitors out of reach (for now). been wanting to do this with an old laptop for a bit now, but only a single monitor output there.

[@eddthirty4065]

Would like to see the idle power consumption, as I'd use something like this to serve a few large HD and run proxmox or Unraid.

[@alphenit]

Drives me mad that many Mini-PC vendors mention the NIC speed but not the NIC BRAND

[@Gryfang451]

Hey Wendell, can it run ESXI or Proxmox? Those little guys would make great boxes for replacing older servers in a home lab!

[@DeathMasta187]

I also want to know this question. I have an old 4 core i5 3470, 16GB ram running as my home esxi server and is very much eol. I wanted to replace it with 3 of these type of mini PCs and then finally get a vmug account to setup a small homelab vcenter cluster. Really the only thing I could see stopping esxi from going on these is real tech nics. But I cant find what nic these even have (Im assuming they are not intel nics since they are not listing it)

[@damiendye6623]

The nic is realtek so proxmox no problem esxi no

[@fionachen6073]

It is intel I225-V, so compatible with ESXI.

[@MnemonicCarrier]

I'm going to get one of these to use as a home Linux server.

[@bjarnenet]

Nice little machine - what NIC is it Intel or Realtek?

[@damiendye6623]

Realtek

[@bjarnenet]

@@damiendye6623 Thank You

[@fionachen6073]

It is intel I225-V. I have confirmed with engineer.

[@bjarnenet]

@@fionachen6073 - It seems like it's i226-V - what did the engineer tell you?

[@fionachen6073]

Mixed used with I225-V and I226-V.@@bjarnenet

[@V1N_574]

No dual LAN no pfsense 😞

[@donsfromnz6515]

Hey Wendell, This looks like it would make a great HomeAssistant Server running HA OS. Do you know if the x86 HAOS will run on this?

[@Level1Techs]

sure does, works great

[@NotRealNamesAgain]

I've got a previous Minisform machine. Pretty solid little thing. Seems your description link is 404'ing.

[@amateurwizard]

🙂 You look so much fitter keep up the most-excellent work 🙂

[@xeode]

cards at the end not working? (love you)

[@maddhatter3564]

I just ordered a UM560h from minisforum through amazon then later noticed the 'bare bones tag'. if the cancel order doesn't go thru , how much would it take for a basic ssd, ddr4 and OS?

[@convergencev]

Do you have any good recommendations for 13600k with 128gb ram?

[@hongtanke]

Does this have two usbc/thunderbolt? IE can i use those to connect three of these for a kube cluster while allowing 2.5gbe for network only

[@sirzembla4512]

The vega 7 equivalent is the Ge force 660 so YES it can handle games , not everyone play the latest AAA games , moreover if you have a good 720p monitor , or a good 720p TV , you gonna have a really good screen and the 1080p resolution will be useless and won't make any difference ...... So indeed if you're a hardcore gamer , if you feel lonesome and sad if you don't have a 3000 $ PC with enough RGB lights to make you feel you're on LSD , this little mini PC can harm you : it's dangerous for your health because you're already a little bit crazy ....... "This PC can't handle gaming " says the guy while playing on it , this is paradoxical ..... If you can play GTA5 with a N100 , you can play it with a 5 5600H Ryzen , and GTA5 IS a game .....

[@damiendye6623]

Will never get a bios update or any aftersales supprt so no and if its like the other models will overheat

[@WillFuI]

A game like city skylines is perfect for these low gpu power apu’s as CSL is very cpu heavy

[@Popsallen-z1k]

I would recomend nobody buy from Mini's Forum. I have a dead unit 9 months old and they wont even talk about warranty. I made the mistake and bought 2 and they both run so hot that you would think its a toaster oven. But go right ahead and waste your money by all means.

[@Gamescommentary]

Link to product is broken

[@Level1Techs]

I think their site is down atm, might be worth checking back later!

[@solemnwinter3235]

amazon

[@diggernash1]

Oh for the day of standard, dual 10 Gb NICs.

[@janerikvw2]

What is the watt usage when Idle? Is this a good device to use as mini server?

[@Level1Techs]

~ 9 watts +/-

[@LowSpecLinuxLaptop]

I wouldnt throw gaming completely under the bus with this thing. As someone who is cheap and games at 720p and 1600x900 it seems to me the graphics are at least as good probably better than my Ryzen 4650U laptop or the built in graphics of my Ryzen 3400G Desktop. Not to mention emulation.................

[@BBWahoo]

Should I trade my 3950X for a 12700k if all I care for is emulation?

[@dirg3music]

I mean if all you care for is emulation the 3950x is more than perfect for a job like that, those are still fantastic chips and will be for a number of years.

[@Lionheart1188]

AMD 7000

[@BBWahoo]

@@dirg3music Sonic Unleashed is the reason I want to ''upgrade'' sidegrade, I know how much RPCS3 loves Intel chips, but other than multicore and slight cache decrease on 8 core mode, any other downsides?

[@flimermithrandir]

@@BBWahoo RPCS3 also loves AVX-512 as far as i know and the new Intel Chips dont support this while AMDs 7000 Series does. Again… as far as i know. Just in Case you need that. I dont know how much this really is needed and or if your Intel CPU does have it… but the new one doesnt i think.

[@JouniKyyronen-nv1ep]

u can play diablo 3 and valhalla and doom with ryzen 4300u, u dont need 4k for gaming

[@MrFluteboy1980]

Could this be a decent forbidden router for sub 1gbps internet connection??

[@goblinphreak2132]

would love to see a video about installing steamos on a high end pc (like 7800x3d + 7900xtx) and see if it can still game (using proton like steamdeck) but then also do other things. im half temped to do this with my PC. get rid of windows 11 for steamOS. but i worry slightly about everythign working.

[@SuperMari026]

I would love to deploy these for our workforce but it's a slippery slope with delivery from HK.

[@solemnwinter3235]

ebay or amazon

[@MrJamesdorey]

Does Chrome OS Flex install OK on this?

[@nagi603]

4:13 weird that my aging 4790k on base clock still does quadruple the single and double the multi score. With that said, mine also eats a lot more power. edit: scratch that, 450/2350, my cpu-z was not working correctly at all.

[@TheOfficialT3Si]

Are you sure about this? Single core score should be similar and multi core should be way in favour of the 5600H. Based on the CPU-Z benchmark charts a 4790k scores 2677 in multi thread while the 5600H scores 3776. I am guessing these are averages and the score in the video is because of a larger power budget than usual.

[@nagi603]

@@TheOfficialT3Si Yeah, turns out my cpu-z copy was on the fritz, big time. It was showing 2k for single. And youtube also did not notify me of this reply, because why would it. Mine is on a slight 10% OC and scores 450/2350 with memory OC disabled for a few less watts and a not insignificant apps open. So yeah, ~20% up in single and double the multithreaded.

[@Superboy.77]

This vs a Synology NAS?

[@58long]

Love you guys and what you do! Im sad to see so much focus on tiny goofy form factors lately. Gpus are getting enourmous and data prices are falling so multiple drives and selfhosting is making more sense. Can we get more love for the big boys? I just bought a fractal define 7 xl because struggled to find a decent looking case that would take an optical bay. Seems like a beast of a case to migrate my unraid homelab to. Anything new with more than 6x 3.5 bays and a 5.25 bay come out of computex?

[@ZaPirate]

not bad for the price

[@kamertonaudiophileplayer847]

32Gb memory is minimum if you do Android development, and better 64Gb. So? No this box for me.

[@Splarkszter]

i can build a full PC with a 5600 just for 400. That isn't impressive you can't even place a GPU on it or even dare to upgrade the CPU.

[@eDoc2020]

400 is more than 300. If you don't need a powerhouse GPU these types of systems are great.

[@ardas77]

description link gives me error 404 :(

[@BrotherO4]

its on "Sale"... brother. they are always on "Sale". 24/7 lmao. been watching them for over 7 months now... i have never seen anything not on sale

[@Kattakam]

pfSense?

[@terrycook2733]

rasberries

[@sirzembla4512]

I'm sorry man , but your conclusion is : " you don't need this PC if you have a smartphone " ......🙂

[@imlucluc]

Link in description is broken for me

[@Level1Techs]

sorry their site was down, fixed now

[@CreativityNull]

2:31 I recently bought a refurbished laptop and the guys who refurbished it forgot to run the script to make it an out of the box experience... Which means I have a user account win 11 home that isn't annoying the crap out of me to make a Microsoft account for the most part (can't get the fingerprint sensor to work but oh well.) I'll probably dual boot Linux on it (since I have some applications I need to use that work best when windows is running bare metal) but it's nice to not have to deal with this account BS.

[@ahmadalwazzan384]

will this work with vmware esxi for homelab?

[@damiendye6623]

It's a realtek nic so no unless a driver has appeared for it

[@ahmadalwazzan384]

@@damiendye6623 VMware is being silly not including Realtek drivers!

[@damiendye6623]

@@ahmadalwazzan384 as far as am aware the issue is realtek have not written a native driver for VMware prior support required the Linux compatible layer which was removed in 7 as it was the last bit in violation of the GPL in the VMware kernel

[@fionachen6073]

It is intel I225-V and compatible with esxi

[@gucky4717]

1:40 Then how do you mount the monitor? :D

[@Slaiyen]

404 error on the link.

[@Level1Techs]

fixed

[@JBrinx18]

404 not found for that store page

[@solemnwinter3235]

amazon

[@JouniKyyronen-nv1ep]

u sit too close, meter is 3 shoes

[@zapman2100]

link not working

[@Level1Techs]

fixed again, their site was down earlier..

[@joeykeilholz925]

Chief

[@GrizzAxxemann]

Dead link. Unless, they just hate Canadians.

[@mikes567]

your link for this is 404

[@Level1Techs]

fixed

[@svsv6575]

no display port👎

[@Level1Techs]

USBC to dp works fine

[@jerrywatson1958]

The only thing I don't like about this PC is that it is Made in China. For all we know they could use prison labor in the manufacture of parts or all of it. I can't take the risk anymore. If it were made in Taiwan or India. I would have less of a problem with them. I see where Apple and Foxconn are leaving China. About time is all I can say. Thanks for this nice little box, too bad the gov't has left a sour taste in consumers mouth with their "Wolf Warrior" Diplomacy and all. Let them buy their own *@3ST". Put that "2nd" largest economy to the test. See if Chinese want to buy it.

[@tim3172]

LMAO because everyone knows there are no slaves in India... "Slavery still exists and India has the largest number" "Bonded labor is India's most prevalent form of slavery, with about 18 million people working without pay in fields, brick kilns, rice mills" "There are more modern-day slaves living in India than anywhere else on Earth"

[@alb9229]

Without China you would be paying double, triple or god knows how much more for the same unit ... if you enjoy overpriced Murica junk then good for you , that makes you the ideal target for capitalism but quit assuming everyone is in your shoes . So you can take your childish propaganda and shove it deeply where it belongs ! Also Taiwan is China which makes your comment even more comical but hey can't expect you to know better .

[@dannyhouston5546]

This review seems ridiculous. Why would anyone buy this for word processing and the internet? It can't play the latest games, you have made it sound like you can't play any games on it. What's the point of the review?

[@DoozyBytes]

first

[@bartgrefte]

"at least those updates are going to install really quickly, thanks to the 2.5 gig NIC" Uhm, yeah, no. Windows Update is terribly slow and doesn't even come close to saturate a 1Gb link and that's besides the downloading keeps stalling while the update client (tiworker.exe) stresses out a single CPU core.

[@solemnwinter3235]

update AMD