A͏s͏mongold Comments On The MethodJosh Drama & Streamers Leaving Method (Preach, Esfand, Payo)

[@Evelolololol]

Method going for the world first class action lawsuit

[@conanmcclanahan1069]

Says the weeb.

[@boomkin3669]

@@conanmcclanahan1069 got a problem?

[@diterion123]

@@conanmcclanahan1069 the fuck do you even mean by that?

[@conanmcclanahan1069]

@@boomkin3669 No. You?

[@nx175]

Weeb: a foreigner who obsess over japanese culture

[@dirkmoon]

The ironic thing around this miss Josh was a Priest LuL

[@danny7694]

HAHAH, he will give all us priests a bad name lmao.

[@krekykrek6891]

dude... i feel bad for laughing bc of this...

[@MrModerate_kane]

Ironic

[@avenderiel]

So he was In Character the whole time?

[@A3r0XxLol]

Nice, copying Twitch Chat for Likes on KZbin.

[@TheDaringPastry1313]

2:57 If monty python taught me anything about ducks... If it floats like a duck, it's probably a witch.

[@hollowman3227]

That's what I was thinking to 😏

[@ogshaggymac]

And what do we do with witches?

[@Av-yu3vs]

Rob V. BURN EM!

[@aimaimaimmiamiamia6890]

did she turn you into a newt?

[@TheDaringPastry1313]

@@aimaimaimmiamiamia6890 "she turned me into a newt" "a newt?" "I got better" :)

[@kwilsonjr]

This video has prompted my first post to any of your channels. You have handled an incredibly difficult subject very maturely. From discussing culpability, ignorance and inaction, and how we measure and apply that to our own lives, to acknowledging the sincerity of actions that were taken by some. You, sir, have displayed incredible empathy, understanding, and logic in a volatile situation. I'm an old gamer but still a gamer for life. It makes me happy to think I am leaving gaming in the hands of young people like you.

[@Joe-hl9ti]

This thumbnail was confusing. No hands on face or open mouth...

[@CarfoLP]

almost didn't click on it. need more clickbait or i don't click.

[@NeonAtari]

Me yt viewer, me dont like change

[@bugbreadbuns]

This is the 'real talk' face for when shit gets serious LUL

[@Balloonbot]

Where's the cropped picture of an E-Girl? Im surprised i even clicked.

[@昊-w4f]

...Asmongold is such a breath of fresh air after browsing through mob Twitter. Keep up the good work

[@LimitTheInsane]

I agree, I gotta stay off twitter lol

[@Finish303]

Sadly even his audience has large amounts of: "You're get accussed, you're guilty and deserve your life ruined!" types. But I tend to notice that group is getting smaller and he is teaching them that you're aren't guilty till proven guilty. Like all thos low view Twitch channels suddenly accusing Twitch streamers who do good... AngryJoe for example won easily. Just ban Twitter at this point it's not used for anything good (aside from YT or Twitch people announcing a stream, or some scientist a new paper).

[@Overphased]

@@Finish303 here's a tip, next time, pay attention to *how many* people are actually typing stupid or triggering stuff. It's usually 2 or 3 and then they just spam it so it looks like there's more. I used to watch forsen all the time and would see this time and time again. Just 2 or 3 people somehow drowning out the rest of the chat.

[@Jman1ify]

I think he just needs a good wash and a shave :(

[@Budapesta]

Twitter is Cancer lol

[@Rukia541]

Asmongold taught me how to identify a duck

[@oskaribrooks9723]

And also how to know when someone is shitting on my plate

[@poooky321]

He forgot "walks like a duck" because he is such a pleb.

[@Balloonbot]

Sorry but i quack and walk like a duck, but i dont identify as one. Dont label me.

[@bradmiles1984]

It's funny how Asmongold has a reputation of being toxic but you watch him and he is very level headed with his takes time after time on things that come up.

[@Robin...222]

i dont feel like he has a reputation of being toxic. More his fanbase.

[@bradmiles1984]

@@Robin...222 He does in parts of the wow community but thats more the forums were people are too thin skinned and whine. I personally never felt he was toxic, he just goes over the top sometimes for entertainment but you can always tell when he's not serious.

[@user-bu7nv9gn4o]

His fanbase CAN be incredibly toxic. He himself isnt that bad

[@Samdeman90]

He's only "toxic" because he's a cis-male large streamer who doesn't drink the "woke" Kool-Aid.

[@kevint1910]

so blizzard covered for Josh for "years" but dumps on Swifty the moment he gets accused with out even waiting to hear from the guy.

[@Osprey1994]

Swifty being one of the most wholesome WoW players too.

[@adamgillo2271]

blizzard employed josh?

[@kevint1910]

@@adamgillo2271 did i say that? nope. they did not "employ" swifty either afik. that is not the point , i was referring to the posts from former blizzard employees stating that blizzard was well aware of the "issues" with "sociopath"Josh.

[@conanmcclanahan1069]

So i'm not 100% sure... (because the internet)... but people are saying there is a baby involved with the Swifty allegation. Babies carry DNA. DNA carries sentences.

[@divinityd662]

If the Swifty shit is true Blizzard knew and knew if it surfaced to dump him ASAP.

[@c0cieman]

Big ups to Preach. That's a decision of a man with integrity.

[@Blinddragon9]

Preach is a good person

[@Beholder505]

You have to take in to consideration that if he wants to be able to keep his company, to keep making money, and to keep doing what he's doing, he HAS TO SAY THESE THINGS. It's very safe for him to talk like this. It creates distance. Sprinkle in, "We've felt physically ill" (which i really doubt) and you've successfully ensured everyone know that they can keep doing business with you. And now people who were once friends, will no longer be friends. This is the world we live in.

[@GorehowlBeardhead]

@@Beholder505 i dont doubt it at all. I've watched the decline people can go through when shit like this comes out. Especially when they have kids themselves. This is the statement of a dad, not a business owner

[@raidwipe]

@@ryans6309 why are you subscribed to a load of channels of young girls twerking

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

Agreed *Heart goes to - Preach.*

[@sargonofakkad9676]

As a father, preach has a right to be very upset about having somebody like that around their child. Good choice. I would have done the same.

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

*yuup.!* I knew i'd be.

[@suaruman]

This is a huge hit to the Method organizations image. The fact that Josh was present at the RWF event and not put on "administrative leave" while the investigation took place. This shows how Method tried to make light of the ,Alleged allegations. They should have taken action then, not a year later. Yes they should have informed the casters and in fact everyone that was part of staff present at the event of the Alleged allegations. Since this can now have blow back on each and everyone of them on an individual level.

[@brewtank6738]

He has deep ties with Method it must really hurt for him, he even raided with them back in Cata I believe it was. Good move by him honestly.

[@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940]

@@Sawyer264 you guys are insane."peoples justice" you know calling for a witchhunt is actually illegal and can get you in serious legal drama?

[@grantbaldwin9656]

Actually breaks my heart seeing how painful this is for preach

[@shinon748]

For real the guy has a history with Method. He raided with them back in Cata and always had respect for them as players and was friends with a lot of them.

[@lizj729]

I love preach ❤️ the fact he’s been inquiring about it forever and they played it down is so bad.

[@pyrite13]

Soooo....who's ready to go back to arguing whether or not shamans need a buff?

[@silasmarquez4146]

He's gay for zappy boi

[@RGC_91]

Buff Tauren shamans. KreyGasm

[@TaIathar]

Elemental Shaman is fine. Enhancement needs a buff.

[@inciacci549]

Buff the big ghey

[@krazko3332]

Dang it they really do need a buff

[@Shatamx]

Remember when Ninja got bashed for not playing with women? Smart.

[@Jok3ster699]

Believe it or not, you can be famous and not abuse anyone, I feel like this should be common knowledge but maybe not???

[@XY-wy3rh]

@@Jok3ster699 Doesn't matter if you did it or not, if someone says you did it, you're ruined anyway.

[@Jok3ster699]

@@XY-wy3rh if someone says you did it and provides valid evidence clearly showing some pretty blatant predatory behavior then it should be handled accordingly. I just want to say people use this line you're using to denounce anyone trying to come out. If you immediately assume someone is lying when it comes to certain allegations then why would anyone come out with their abused stories. Its okay to be skepticle and ask questions to ensure they aren't lying, but there is substantial evidence out to put this guy behind bars. Which I am sure is what will happen

[@Bluesachwill]

@@kevboard thats crazy, this world is so fucked up - people actually do abuse others, and then others get fucked because of it, doing nothing wrong, as they are unaware. However, I do think Josh has done some fucked up shit, he is one of the former.

[@TheSynergy40]

@@Jok3ster699 look up angry joe accusations, a perfect example of someone taking advantage of the me2 movement and claiming a false allegation. when angry joe provided his own rebuttal explaining everything with legal action being hinted at, that twitter account deleted everything. its also extremely hard to have proof for actual sexual harassment, or rape, so you can given more leeway to make false accusations without any proof. any human can be opportunistic, and this movement can be co opted to do serious damage if there wasnt any skepticism.

[@spokengalaxy690]

this is a really Fucked up situation my heart goes out to preach and his family, and everyone that has been affected by all of this. i hope people step back and look at themselves and who they hurt.

[@MarceloAbans]

@2:55 The problem is that, women, said "hey, this is a duck.." and management told them "We know, shut up!" Until that is addressed head on, shit like this will keep happening. Men are acting like "OMG how could they!? Like they disregarded these complaints!" Fucking clutching pearls and shit. These women knew no one would listen because when the time came, no one did. Look at the overwhelming amount of shit is needed before people take this shit seriously. You have to be cognizant enough to realize that sometimes, yeah, it is a situation of "he said, she said"... and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said and she said.

[@Hg-1-13]

I used to think like you, but to be completely honest I entirely lost my faith in people, especially online. I don't trust anyone saying "X did this, x did that", nor do I give anyone the benefit of the doubt. The abuse of people's good will and kindness towards the apparent plight of someone, by individuals who use false rape allegations/assault allegations/death threat allegations etc etc as a means to an ends has rendered someone like me completey apathetic to these kinds of ordeals. I still remember when Zoe Quinn made allegations of sexual assault against some autistic Game Dev via Twitter(instead of going to the authorities, like in this scenario: which is BTW the FIRST THING you should do in these instances), which has apparently cancelled him to the point of him killing himself. This is not to say I think Josh is guilty/innocent, or that METHOD's actions have not been pretty suspect and damning on their own, but simply that trusting people in modern times has been thoroughly corrupted.

[@MarceloAbans]

@@Hg-1-13 It's easier for someone to be shithead online, you have that disconnect. That's why you hear them cry so hard whenever they are banned from these platforms. They litertally can't do anything else but talk shit. In terms of people, I treat them like my car. 95% of the time you don't realize your car. It just works, but when the engine acts up or tire blows goes flat, it doesn't make me lose faith in the car, there's just something wrong with it that needs to be address. The people doing this shit are the outliers not the standard.

[@lazyliam7402]

So what happens when a member of Activision/Blizzard is accused, do they just straight up get fired no questions asked? seems like a shitty thing to do

[@raver377]

as asmon said himself, there is a big difference between beeing found innocent in a court of law and abandoning a case because of lack of evidence, LEGALY they need to be treated as one and the same but outside of the law they cannot be treated the same so no you dont fire someone for accusations because they are just that: accusations, you fire someone based on the outcome of the trial.

[@NazarusGG]

Actually i remember an story for a former blizz employee that was acused for sexual harassment (witch was false) and after that happen he was forced to leave the building with security And what truly happen was the accuser try to hook up the guy and he said no. At the end he left and she stayed

[@robertturni2845]

What happens when you care about your brand is you put them on paid leave until the investigation concludes and then make a decision from there

[@Flacopro40]

If its multiple allegations against underage children? Yes.

[@oldmate8886]

@@Finish303 wait so modern day men try to finger multiple 16 yr old girls? Think you been playing too much wow my man

[@mshake7056]

what we learned from all this is Ninja is a smart smart man...25 million dollar deal and won't be getting accused of sexual harassment by other streamers lol

[@BanditLeader]

Except mixer got shutdown recently. So now ninja is coming back to twitch. He said he doesnt want to sign a deal with facebook gaming. Same with shroud

[@MrDoggson]

He doesnt play with females, sometimes being pussywhipped save your ass

[@therodyman700]

@@BanditLeader Yeah but Mixer had to buy him out twice before they shutdown. Ninja is back to his old spot only much much richer

[@cdedberry]

He said he doesn’t play with girls because his fans (children) automatically think they’re dating and it becomes a big deal, not to avoid getting metooed somehow by playing a video game with them lol

[@kinuuni]

... Because playing with "females" could end up with rape allegations? What kind of weird ass virtual reality does he have access to?

[@samimiettinen5539]

I can understand if alot of Method players feel betrayed... They didn't know that shit, and defended the guy in good faith

[@yron33]

How often do you hang out with mega creeps without cluing into them being megacreeps?

[@Frog89mad]

If you have no evidence, then dont attack nor defend someone. Simple

[@yron33]

@@mfvlf9644 Yeah I do actually? Most people talk about these things and I at least seem able to get a gauge on if they're creeps or not. Obviously it's not 100% but this was like an open secret at method apparently lmao

[@Samdeman90]

They didn't *want* to know. The circumstances of Josh's twitch ban were pretty fucking damning.

[@PrussianZwei]

How the mighty Method have fallen.

[@PrussianZwei]

@Josh derp Some people just want to watch the world burn and see "celebrities" fall.

[@ringmasterzeke]

@Josh derp i'm pretty sure no arrests were made. quit being a simp.

[@joesuh7492]

no king rules forever

[@obiohaz6023]

@Josh derp either shouldnt of been news, maybe a method statement and thats it. but nope

[@dogswifty7800]

Yes give the entire backlash for what one member did, sure he does world first with them and sure they covered it up but there is a good reason for that, they didn't want to be seen the way people are treating them at the moment. Method itself doesn't deserve this kind of backstabbing from Preach and other streamers associated with their world first races.

[@AymenDZA]

You start to piece things together and realize how odd/weird/unusual something/someone is only in hindsight, If nothing came out of this no one would bat an eye and you wouldn't even have such suspicions and you'd just brush it off as "Yeah he's kinda weird but a lot of people are like that"

[@conanmcclanahan1069]

+100 pts to Gryffindor.

[@conanmcclanahan1069]

@@ajshdhenskaka Suggestion? War and Peace? A Tale of Two Cities? Dr. Zhivago? Hit me up...

[@Aliexei]

I hope that someone doesn't accuse you of that and then some random guy writes how it all makes sense :(

[@AymenDZA]

@@johnathanbowers5433 How is my comment asking for people to go after awkward whatever skin color boys? I 'd consider myself weird/odd to those who don't know me, my comment was meant to show that people saying "Oh he was weird so you should have known that he did it or that he's guilty" are fucking wrong, these things are only apparent in hindsight and people shouldn't be judged/feared because of how awkward they are especially in the gaming community where that kind of personality is abundant.

[@conanmcclanahan1069]

@@Aliexei Why would the court of public opinion bother me if I had taken my concerns to a legitimate governing body with power of authority? You're a fucking moron.

[@mikek9352]

2:26 I absolutely hate when some1 acts like because they have children they couldn't possibly be a bad person. Some of the worst people Ive ever met had children. Some of the best people Ive met didnt have children. and vice versa

[@rodbroward3593]

He never said that

[@theomaximiliam]

Preach is such a wholesome guy, I'm not surprised that a guy like him is taking a stand against this fucking shit. Good job Preach and stay strong

[@kootybear]

So, if there has been allegations of sexual assualt against a member of Method and coming from people within Blizzard, it shows that Blizzard was aware and let it continue

[@madoushi117]

I made my own investigation about Josh and why nothing were made. During my investigation, i only found 3 Method members knew about Josh's behavior. So i disagree with the fact that Method knew about Josh.

[@BruceKarrde]

Remember people spamming "free Josh" in chat? How's that feel now?

[@Allihuge]

Good. I enjoyed his stream, that's it.

[@Robin...222]

@Mikko he pulled a knife towards a woman on stream to

[@legoboy7825]

@@xPooogle515 Hey just wanted to comment on your claim. It is actually legal as the age of consent is 16 in the UK. It's creepy, of course, but not illegal. The part OP missed and what you should be saying is that he got nudes from, and solicited a minor to transmit nude photos online. That part is illegal.

[@xPooogle515]

legoboy7825 You are 100% wrong. I just said it. The age of consent only protects relationships with partners within 2-3 years of age of one another. No one over the age of 18 and outside these parameters is allowed to solicit minors for sex, it is 100% illegal according to the base line for child consent laws. Every single person who defends this shit is outing themselves. I’ve been out of high school for almost ten years but even back then it was pretty universal that nobody in the Senior 17-18 age range wanted to be fucking Freshmen 14s. Even THAT was wrong. Let alone 20-30 year olds lusting after teenagers. That in and of itself is a huge cause for alarm.

[@Allihuge]

@@xPooogle515 So who decide if it's 2 or 3 years ? It depends if you like the person or not ?

[@skullbashr1]

Another consideration is the legal system in the UK, the police investigate and the Crown prosecution service (CPS) charge. Current stats in England and Wales is 1 in 65 rape offenders are charged, the police are required to have hard proof, just because Josh wasn't charged doesn't mean he is innocent, it just means it didn't reach the CPS level of evidence required for prosecution... Jury's don't like rape cases, this is a problem in our society that has made it so that barely any rape cases without hard proof go any further than investigation level...

[@Erguevo33]

Tips out leaving method could be the most irrelevant thing about this video.

[@Warpgatez]

Why was tips out even in method? He's not good. He capitalized on WoW classic guides when wow classic hype was at his highest. That's it. Have you heard his guild raid? The comms are a joke. Savix face shows it all lol

[@johnpook6539]

@@Warpgatez probably for that exact reason 😂

[@jasminetaylor5416]

Wait hold up? He’s in method ? Lmfao ‘ classic’

[@Qvik_]

Tips out holy shit. A cockroach.

[@drozone3658]

Tip out who has the luxury of gaming for a career complaining about his racial injustice?

[@AymenDZA]

This was all started by one girl coming out with her abuse story against a Destiny 2 streamer and content creator, and then it all went haywire from there across the entire gaming community.

[@MrIwannawatchshit]

Yea, it's the "me too" movement. You gotta be careful, most of the allegations are bullshit and these girls are just clout chasing.

[@ilikefishandpotatoes]

Which is why many of the allegations are probably bullshit unfortunately.

[@AymenDZA]

Ok let me elaborate, My comment was not meant to be viewed as "dismissive" of what happened and me saying "It all started with one girl" is only referencing how this all began, since then many other females also came out with their stories about sexual misconduct against this dude (Trust me he's guilty, he even admitted to that himself) and countless other females victims across the gaming community came out with their stories as well. Are their Bullshit stories just looking for revenge/clout, absolutely, But i'd say it's the exception rather than the rule, as many organization/guilds and clans have been exposed and their inner dealings of abuse,blackmail, racism and sexual abuse are now public knowledge.

[@JDmix123]

Johnny Guillotine that’s a false statistic since they don’t count the many allegations that aren’t A. Reported B. Police don’t open an investigation bc of lack of evidence

[@stevenmai4930]

@Johnny Guillotine 6% are PROVEN false. How much have enough evidence for action to take? How many are proven true? The majority dont have enough evidence for any action to take place

[@farout448]

They should of told preach if he was asking repeatedly about the issue. Preach himself is a brand so he needs to know what he is affiliating himself with.

[@tyleramon8371]

Need more details. Tweets and mobs of people not involved doesn't help anyone find truth or justice.

[@Varnow]

Yeah bro i think the same, people is judging without proofs. And what happens if josh is inocent and the girls are liers? Police did an investigation and didn't found nothing... ppl is destroying his life. You cant judge a guy for twetlongs....

[@Justin-ev8nn]

Varnow At this point, it does look like the allegations are true.

[@Varnow]

@@Justin-ev8nn yes ofc, twetlongs=true ;)

[@Varnow]

@@Justin-ev8nn Police says he is inocent but better belive on twetlongs...

[@Justin-ev8nn]

Varnow Just because the police said he’s innocent doesn’t mean he’s 100% in the right.

[@HWFchamp]

My only disagreement with all of this was Preach's statement: "The police didn't have any evidence so they couldn't do anything and that's a shame." No. It's a shame there was no evidence but the last thing anyone will ever want is for police to go forth with charges with zero evidence.

[@supergaga1712]

I think it was meant in the vein "it's a shame that there was not enough evidence"

[@zabban]

The real question should be. Is there any evidence?

[@supergaga1712]

@@zabban there is a difference between having evidence and having enough evidence to prosecute.

[@zabban]

@@supergaga1712 yes can be the difference in u been put un prison for something u didnt did

[@supergaga1712]

@james matthews it baffles me as well. Apparently the only thing that will guarantee prosecution is photos, movies, or eyewitness testimony

[@Samdeman90]

I would watch Josh's stream occasionally back in the months before his ban. He used to quite openly discuss his aggressive and creepy approach with women; in fact it was his brand. He also "joked" that it was only a matter of time until Twitch banned him. Nobody was surprised when twitch banned him, and no one is surprised now.

[@N4VR4S]

What do you mean that when they dont have enough evidence, that they couldnt prove if he was either guilty or not. if they dont have the evidence then hes NOT GUILTY. There is no in between

[@veigar9347]

Yes and he’s not innocent either, that’s what inconclusive means they can’t have a verdict

[@N4VR4S]

@@veigar9347 how is he not innocent. You are innocent until proven guilty, which he wasnt

[@Wetam99]

He was never prosecuted. There is no guilty or not guilty unless you go to court.......

[@TheFreeMinecraftTV]

Really good cutting at the end, even though it may have been split up felt very fluid! Nice job!

[@davidbanterford3216]

Legends say preach's beany is surgically fused to his head.

[@Aismartin]

15:42 no way, this stuff happens wayyyyy more then you think

[@Fr33mx]

This whole story causes only destruction, there's literally no room for redemption provided to anyone. This has been bugging me two days, if there's literally nothing they can do to Josh apart from getting him kicked from method and Method potentially being gone for good over this scandal, was it really worth it? I mean, sure, justice has to be served, but the means should be legal, cancel culture doesn't provide the legal ground for everyone involved to defend themselves, all they had left is just watching everything burn. This is so fucking depressing. I wish they did that right choice of making it public back then, then now this many people wouldn't have to suffer. Jeesus crist I hate this reality.

[@baystorm94]

If you were a business, would you associate yourself with a child groomer?

[@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940]

@@TheGraveyarder in the usa the predator law is a joke. u can be on that list if you walked around Shirtless near a playground or pissing in the bush.

[@morgenmuffel5747]

The police did not declare him innocent. Rather, they concluded that there was not enough evidence to prosecute in a court. These are two completely different things

[@jatama1]

So what's the difference between this and Blizzard's reaction with Swifty? Both are unproven allegations

[@sweggieboi4928]

The difference is one has evidence and one doesn't?

[@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940]

@@sweggieboi4928 is asking for nudes from 16 year old illegal? ive never seen someone getting sent to jail for just asking. possessing some is different, but theres no proof she actually sent him some

[@jamesc7894]

This situation has more to do with Methods handling of the situation and disclosing to their own members what happened. They could have said, don't bring kids or give Preach a heads up.

[@Varnow]

Yeah bro i think the same, people is judging without proofs. And what happens if josh is inocent and the girls are liers? Police did an investigation and didn't found nothing... ppl is destroying his life. You cant judge a guy for twetlongs....

[@sweggieboi4928]

@@Varnow it's crazy ppl actually still defend him after all the evidence was leaked

[@scarlet8078]

I know this is going to be an upsetting thing to hear, but depending on the legal jurisdiction, if you are told by law enforcement about an ongoing investigation, you are LEGALLY PROHIBITED from telling anyone. If word gets back to the suspect, or potential witnesses, they can be tipped off & destroy evidence & it can cause a loss of the whole investigation. Method probably COULDN'T tell their colleagues

[@xoxar1]

2020, if you think you saw everything, 2020 will punch you in the face.

[@deekay336]

well have you heard of the dust storm that is about to reach USA coasts from the Sahara deserts? xD

[@a40989d1]

I'm hoping aliens are next. Hostile or peaceful....I have no preference at this point.

[@Overphased]

Funnily enough 2020 has been the best year for me in terms of self improvement

[@captainlongstar1757]

We are only half way through this year.

[@xoxar1]

@@deekay336 no but its USA so... You have Trump it can not be worse.

[@dawn-blade]

The internet has been my sanctuary for almost 15 years now, I started using a PC for KZbin, RuneScape and typing school assignments. Without the internet, I don't know if I would have made it to where I am today. I am struggling, though. Life is crushing me from all sides. I can rely on the internet to escape in many ways but it isn't enough anymore to keep away the realization that I need to get a job and license and go back to college to graduate. I am so scared of what the future has in store for me. I don't know where I will find a job that is anxiety friendly. I don't have the motivation to search around and call places. My best idea is the library or an animal shelter, I worked at a cat shelter years ago and I enjoyed it. I just want to succeed. I am so sad. I need someone to guide me and talk me through this, how to be an adult. 😭💔

[@dclc96]

If you really want it dude you will get to where you need to get to, just dont go into shit half hearted. At some point you gotta just push out of your comfort zone I know it's easier said than done but every day you dont is time you ain't getting back

[@jreverie7018]

Hope you're doing okay! I did the same thing when I was younger too. Good ol' RuneScape I still play today haha

[@caboose2741]

Just saw this. Caboose1001 Gmail com if you wanna reach out to talk.

[@qwertypoiuy355]

Preach is unique. He is a man who has been in a happy relationship since the begiinning if his debut in 2011. Emma has been there since the dawn of time and has been around for every moment of his important life from his teenage years, before KZbin, till now. If Emma, and Mike, can't trust someone then I know I can't. Their judgement means everything to me.

[@synchrogods]

Did anything more happen than writing that one girl? We are talking about a 21 year old, writing a 16 year old. So calling him pedo and stuff is waaaay over board.

[@sammccord4931]

Jesus I thought it was like some 7 year old, thats how they are making it sound, 16 is legal age of consent in most of eu and in my state in the us.

[@ragnnohab]

@@sammccord4931 Preach knew what he was doing bringing up how he feared for his kids, he purposely poisoned the well.

[@Revanchistus]

Thank you so much for raising and discussing such an important topic. It takes courage.

[@rogermucroy750]

Tbh Asmongolds chat seem like a bunch of Joshes.

[@ChaosturnMusic]

It's probably the first they hear of the situation. I doubt that many of them would say the same things had they read poopernoodle's tweet.

[@majiwaruu]

so does his comment section with all these people caping for Josh

[@colinanthony2011]

Asmon’s chat has always been mostly incel spergs. Always safe to ignore them.

[@Reippa]

Colin Anthony Been watching streamers for years and i can say that Asmonds chat is most retarted one

[@onepieceelover]

​@@ChaosturnMusic i think she was the only one accusing him of rape or? and even she said she has no prove so why believe her? she could go the moment it happend to the police and take a DNA test and everything would be fine. But she did nothing and now everyone should just believe her? why? its the same shit as the johny depp and amber head stuff, you all believe someone without any proof.

[@heckinlmao]

Asmon is most level headed dude on twitch.

[@masonmcconnell9375]

Hes probably the best streamer on twitch hands down imo.

[@LycanWitch]

2:46 of course they will play it down or just not talk about it or go into details.. They can't. It's no different than any other job, a company and it's management/hr/supervisors/etc cannot talk about any private details, any disputes, any investigations, or disciplinary actions about it's employees (both current and former). It's against the law and is grounds for a lawsuit if they do. A good example of employee privacy is how I work at an Amazon warehouse where there have been literal confirmed positive COVID-19 cases, however other than Amazon letting us know this, they wont tell anyone who the individuals were, what shifts they worked, what area in the warehouse they worked in, etc.. not because they are attempting to hide it or sweep it under the rug or down play it... but it's because they can't, regardless of how much we believe we deserve the right to know for our own health and safety and the potential that our own lives could be at risk, it is simply against the law and violates the employee's right to privacy.

[@Fr33mx]

Fair point. I feel like the key factor here is that the girl did go to the police and reported him, but they failed to prove him guilty. Had the police had the success, nothing of this shit would've happened. I hate that people make too many assumptions about this whole situation and rely on their feeligs too much rather than accounting for their rational reasoning. A lot of the info is not accessible, you can't really tell how guilty everyone involved in the story is. There's literally angry people hating on the employees of the org right now, claiming they should've done something cuz they knew, when in reality the crazy mob was only told that "heads of Method had been told about the investigation", not that "everyone knew everything". It is good that Josh has been exposed, but at the expense of literal dozens of people getting their livelihood endangered by cutting off their income from losing their jobs? In this global pandemic situation? Fuck me if that is rational course of action.

[@LycanWitch]

​@@Fr33mx only issue too with MethodJosh is that both parties were in the UK where age of consent is 16, And while she does make the point that if she had sent him nude pictures, etc that would be illegal as you must be 18 to do that, however in this case she didn't. So overall, no laws were broken as they were having consensual conversations regardless of his sexual, lewd, stereotypical horny guy talk, which isn't a crime in the UK since she admitted right at the start of the conversation she was 16. Furthermore, you have to ask yourself, if she was truly offended by his advances, at no point did she ask him to stop, or do what any truly offended or victimized girl would do.. block him and stop talking to them. instead she continued to chat with him well beyond the initial advances, months deep.. Even doing activities together (running raids together, hanging out in wow, etc). Because of the later, i'd call it a clear case of Cancel Culture or MeToo, as any truly offended or victimized individual would have reported someone asap, at the very least end the conversation, ignore them, and/or block them.. not continue to chat with them regularly for months on end, do activities together, etc.

[@Fr33mx]

@@LycanWitch wait, you're talking about the other girl. I'm talking about the fact that he raped Poopernoodle, the girl he had on stream. Rape is a crime, he also did it several times. Idk what I'm saying here. Read Poopernoodle's twit about it if you haven't.

[@Fr33mx]

@@LycanWitch as much as I agree with your stance on that case, there's plenty more. Ranging form hitting on 13y/o girls to raping and abusing Poopernoodle. I had been defending Josh up to the point when she tweeted that Twitlonger about the events that got him banned on Twitch and what else was left off stream. Shit's horrible, it threw me off real bad. I wish I knew sooner, I regret every second thinking he deserves to be free.

[@LycanWitch]

@@Fr33mx as for Poopernoodle, that one is hard to judge on, especially considering that authorities dismissed it, and that's BS about the part when she talked about no witnesses/video.. as there are plenty of cases of rapist going to trial and prison with none of that type of evidence, based on victim testimony alone. so that should tell you something (most likely determined a consensual encounter but she regretted it after the fact).. Then the parts about 13 or 14 y/os, everyone is pretty much ageless online unless they state or make public their age, considering the twitlongers, they did briefly mention their age, for the 13 y/o, but also mentions how he didnt believe her, but other than that, looks like she did the right thing, unlike the one i mentioned in my previous reply, she shot him down and ended the coversation when it got too inappropriate.. So overall dude sounds like a moronic stereotypical lonely horny dude desperate for an e-girl. And these girls, especially the 13 year old are obviously just jumping on the metoo/cancel culture wagon which is clear by their use of the typical cancel culture terminology such as accusing them of "grooming" her as seen in her twitlonger that is pretty much a meme these days.

[@girthiusmaximius8486]

Technically you're wrong when the police cannot find anything guilty about the occurrences of others. Furthermore, Until you are judged upon a court and you are found guilty. 30:00

[@nGAGE0nline]

If someone is proven guilty, he should be punished and put in jail, for sure... but I don't quite get why we live in an age where people get their life ruined based on accusations. Anyone can accuse anybody of anything, for whatever reason. That doesn't mean we should treat that person as guilty. What if he turns out to be innocent? He's now branded for the rest of his life. That's just wrong. We should wait till he's proven guilty!

[@Varnow]

Yeah bro i think the same, people is judging without proofs. And what happens if josh is inocent and the girls are liers? Police did an investigation and didn't found nothing... ppl is destroying his life. You cant judge a guy for twetlongs....

[@BatteryExhausted]

I know nothing about any of this but I can say that ::>> if (party A) told "Preach" (information about party B) then "Preach" would IMMEDIATELY BROADCAST (information about party B) putting (party A) in A DIFFICULT POSITION. - People are remarkably reticent to divulge legally volitile or potentially damaging information to people who broadcast for money.

[@lihisluikku]

Has he been found guilty? I'm genuinely curious and know nothing of this drama. I do not want to defend any pedophiles, but I definitely also oppose ruining a man's career, and a whole organization over allegations or suspicion.

[@houssembenachour109]

What a shame Josh was the most entertaining m WoW streamer and I always thought his incel mentality was all jokes

[@justlikeyourfathersaid]

Yeah, gaming community is going to shit

[@rogermucroy750]

Cringe. Guess I'm 30 though.

[@mnamethonk]

His OSRS streams were insanely entertaining but the incel part of his streams was the most annoying shit ever.

[@FelipeSantos-wu1uf]

Thats exactly the point, people always say its just a joke, people that make racist, sexists jokes and etc, "cmon stop being sjw, is just a joke", but in reality a big part of them, if not the majority, completely agrees and live by the exact ideology of these so called jokes. I don't think 100% of people that likes dark humor are like that, but a pretty big margin are.

[@anomalyevolution40]

Usually it makes me cringe when you see these types of reactions before the man is even found guilty. However it's intelligent to distance yourself from people who have multiple allegations of sexual assault. That's the bottom line and this is why people who lie about sexual assault should face serious repercussions.

[@Zephiren]

I totally agree. The backlash Method is facing is unjustified until proven guilty. If it turns out to be unguilty, Method has faced insane losses for no good reason at all during the last few days (excluding the fact they should've taken action much earlier if these allegations were known internally).

[@Chaoticsaur]

I mean there’s physical evidence as well these < 18 year old girls showing him trying to have sexual intercourse and exchanging photos with them. Idc if its legal in the EU for 16 being consent its still fuckin weird.

[@Karuzen]

@@Zephiren yeah if only the girl that got raped took a min to place his semen in a baggy and took a selfie to give to the cops. She didn't wait years to go to the police, just a day and because she had no proof or wasnt thinking of turning him in during the rape to save evidence... the system will never just put an official 'Guilty' stamp on it. did you not watch the last min of this video? it's not just one allegation, it's multiple and some underage, the twitlonger from the underage girl also provided SS's of how he was talking to her. And this is after tell him she was 14 btw. But yeah, because our legal systems rarely convict these types of cases, "not finishing an investigation is a big fucking difference as saying someone is innocent" but if you still want to back up an accused even after all these ppl coming forward with proof and character witnesses coming forward.. dont know what else to tell you. "unjustified" idk, seems like they are getting what they deserve at this point. But hey, method is recruiting, you should apply

[@Karuzen]

@Jesus Christ ppl white knighting for method or the victims?

[@Chaoticsaur]

Arukoth Jesus christ guy does nothing but spam the comments with anything he can to troll just ignore him. He’s a classic wow andy.

[@jps342]

Pretty important fact to get across here is Josh was never publicly declared Innocent, UK laws and Police investigations on matters like this are notoriously very bad, hence not many Victims come forward, (if i remember right its like 5% of cases actually make it to a court) the fact part is the Police failed to come to a %100 legal conclusion due to "lack of evidence" and probably willing witnesses too, he was NEVER declared innocent, Now after this weeks revelations after more very damning evidence has since come to light and I personally hope the UK authorities do their jobs correctly and reassess the original investigation, This should not be "swept under the rug" by the authorities Like Method management quite clearly did, one thing for sure the ceo's Scot and Sasha were definitely 100% aware of.

[@rulinggodsidly3217]

Lol the internet is not the place to go to forget about the world.

[@themynameiscorn]

it used to be :(

[@spud2063]

it use to be :(

[@Bronx1875]

Its now the place to spread rumors about a possible crime that occurred instead of reporting it to police.

[@RecklessCV]

Ironically putting down your phone and going outside for a walk is the best way to unplug and forget. Weird world we live in.

[@kj12351]

No it's just a shithole of crap now. Drama, pedo allegations, rape allegations and all kind of fucket up crap. The worst is only 10% is fucking true the rest is bs.

[@zzbzq1]

What Preach and others may miss is companies' hands are really tied in scenarios like this because there's legal liability of sharing personal information of their members or employees. Often it appears companies are covering it up, but they're legitimately not supposed to share info; it's often a good thing. However, they should have had a prepared statement to that effect. "We're not allowed to share information about the ongoing investigation." It indirectly answers the question without putting them in hot water.

[@reyalexandro]

Ive been gone from WoW for a year and come back to this LMAO

[@beniamingherman2452]

Wow's on fire lol everything is drama and bugs and stuff

[@beastrule]

Rape isn’t funny dude

[@Xargiyt]

This is legitimately making me so sad... Method has been some of my biggest idols since I was just a small kid...

[@veravalo]

I don't know what's going on in gaming anymore.

[@TaIathar]

This whole thing is unrelated to gaming. It's about a person who supposedly did something illegal while there is no evidence to prove said person did such and it just so happens to be happening within the WoW community which is a group of people within the gaming community.

[@legoboy7825]

@@TheodoreBotman Except this guy clearly is responsible for multiple things.

[@legoboy7825]

@@TaIathar There absolutely is proof, did you even read the posts?

[@TaIathar]

@@legoboy7825 If there is proof, it wasn't in this video. I haven't read anything about it.

[@veravalo]

​@@TheodoreBotman While I support saying no and using block functions in game, and simply not meeting up in person with weirdos as the primary defense from this shit ever even happening (worked for me from when I was underage to now, highly recommend). I can also see how children can be really really really stupid. 16, 17, 18... those are really dumb ages too, and as much as I support personal responsibility, maybe it's even all legal, but there's still something really fucked up going on here. Also, a raider bragging about his HPS to a girl in order to get nudes or sex, I can't stop laughing to begin to grasp any of this.

[@LucasRogers92]

So basically a bunch of people either knew about this as fact and didnt care or at the very least knew about the accusations and didnt care. Darrie herself told the one girl she "wasnt sure she agreed with everything she said" and now is leaving method in "disgust" can we trust anyone in that org at this point?

[@agilagilsen8714]

This feels like an overreaction from Preach. But still very much understandable. Method absolutely were not morally obligated to tell anyone about the investigation. How the lack of information makes the reaction easier to understand and it probably feels like a betrayal of sort. Not to mention that given how things ate today Preach's livelihood might have been put at risk due to this. It'll be strange to see how things play out. But I am not a fan of allegations being enough to convict people publicly. Innocent until proven guilty, but it's hard to do that if you are a public figure today. But you should strive to hold to that ideal, although that doesn't mean you have to work with them.

[@CookedPotatoes47]

Still it was a bit weird for Method to say that there is no problem when Preach asked about Josh after he was banned on twitch last year. And as he said, someone had to have known about Josh in Method. And even then they didn’t do anything about him until now.

[@CookedPotatoes47]

Johnathan Bowers Yes that’s true. But that’s why Preach left as he felt he couldn’t trust them. Even if they didn’t have to tell him legally, they should’ve done it anyway. How is that hard to understand

[@chrisp174]

I remember when the Ninja story broke about him not playing with female streamers. He was totally excoriated over it but I think in the end he was pretty smart for thinking that way, especially for a man as popular as he was. 1 single allegation made against Ninja from another female regardless if it was true or not would completely sink his streaming career.

[@jgn1977]

Slept in a bed with 5 other dudes? Sounds like a Tuesday night

[@jamesc7894]

Wow, I got kids like Preach. Its a no brainer as a father. On a side note, this channel seems different in the tone. Good work.

[@newgamer85]

20:28. You say nothing or I don't know because you didn't. Spent a lot of time distances himself from the guy in the 20 mins. You did feel that you had to defend him last year. It does come off (true or not) that you knew the guy as a friend or you liked the cash association with him. Let's just call it what this is damage control nothing short.

[@shahaman5694]

Guilty for what? For flirting? For dumb flirting on discord? Look at him, he is just a regular gamer nerd, Internet full of guys like him, if he writes you something, just freaking ignore. This world is becoming crazy. People be offended by everything and make drama out of it. Those who left Method are big hypocrites

[@NoGamuNoLaifu]

It's funny how Asmongold manages to contradict himself multiple times in such a short time. First, he makes a video about how bad it is to have such and such people abusing their power to sexually harass woman. Then in the Swifty video he talks about, how bad it is to find someone guilty over unproven Accusations und how bad companies like Blizzard are, who don't stand by the people they work with and immediately deleted Swiftys NPC. Now it's bad that a company stands by an Employee until he is proven guilty........

[@preventablesuffering6239]

BIG TRUE

[@abelincoln1866]

Shit is difficult and confusing, and there's no right answer, kinda understandable. Have your own opinion

[@abelincoln1866]

Shit is difficult and confusing, and there's no right answer, kinda understandable. Have your own opinion

[@F34RTwilight]

its almost like those two arnt mutually exclusive opinions...

[@NoGamuNoLaifu]

@@F34RTwilight not it's not. First, he jumps on the bandwagon and talks about how bad it is, that this people sexually harass woman and that they should be fired/banned, when it was just unproven accusations. In the Swifty Video he talks again about false accusations and how bad it is, that people automatically find them guilty and that Blizzard sucks becouse they canceld Swifty. And now he talks about the same thing again but Method stands by Josh untill he is proven guilty and that's now bad again.

[@SirKenNorth]

You can't be morally obligated to do something that would be illegal. Their reaction should have been to suspend Josh until investigations are finalized.

[@Razerfreak1]

18:10 NO. U cant jail someone cause a girl said she got raped. Thats a bad move sir XD.

[@CoopMoe]

As far as a moral obligation to inform their partners, Method should have ABSOLUTELY let them know about the issue. When you tie other brands with yours anything that can taint your brand could taint any brands you partner with. Granted, Method should have put anyone in investigation on leave/bench and let people know. That's why there'll be no more Method. They forgot that they aren't 20 people playing videogames anymore; they became an entertainment company. To not disclose something like this was completely irresponsible. People/businesses need to know what they're getting in to.

[@BleachRush]

I'm seriously confused.. so as far as I know there are no evidence right? It's all accusations yet to be confirmed. Why the method drama took off before they know exactly what's going on?

[@CookedPotatoes47]

there is some evidence, look at livestreamfails reddit or the Destiny stream vod

[@UCvow2TUIH0d2Ax2vik9ILzg]

Correct. A woman just disliked him and took the opportunity to destroy his life. Classic.

[@gorgor6978]

@@UCvow2TUIH0d2Ax2vik9ILzg What? He insulted her, made fun of her, even pointed a knife at her, all on twitch. She was clearly upset, and viewers knew what's up, she left the very next day clearly rushing to get away from him asap. Few days later she's crying on her stream, Josh is banned. Destroy his life? The guy's a damn WoW player for fuck sake, it didn't seem he really did care about his life or reputation spewing fucked up shit all the time, he even made a song about raping and hanging a girl.

[@UCvow2TUIH0d2Ax2vik9ILzg]

Huh. Did that shit really happen? At this point, almost all the accusations of this kind are bullshit, so I just assume that this one was bullshit too. Insulting somebody and making fun of somebody, I couldn't care less, but pointing a knife at her? Was that meant as a threat or was it some sort of a joke? If she was crying, I'm guessing it wasn't a joke.

[@gorgor6978]

​@@UCvow2TUIH0d2Ax2vik9ILzg Some people speculated that he was banned because of the knife thing, he did it as a joke, but even then it's against TOS. Needless to say, the girl wasn't really pleased, as I said, he mistreated her, lied to her, made her go buy clean bed sheets in a downpour, because his place was dirty as hell, and he didn't bother to clean up a space for her to sleep. Just a week before that, he crashed his car while driving over the speed limit with another girl, his alleged girlfriend, and, thankfully, both came out uninjured, yet he though it was somehow funny, and joked about it on his stream. Right after the rape allegation made by the girl, he terminated both his Twitter and Discord, Method decided to drop him off months ago for reasons unknown, his channel on twitch was banned a year ago, presumably because of the police investigation about the alleged rape. It's almost impossible to prove that someone raped you, a failed police investigation doesn't acquit him of anything - that's why no one is acting surprised, even Asmongold, who went on to defend a lot of other guys on twitter, connected the dots. The guys is a bloody rapist, it didn't help him to make the effort of appearing absolutely psychotic, a bully, a creep(he did talk a lot about his fucked up fantasies in his streams, also his interest in weird porn, several time making remarks about how he'd go to jail, if his folders were searched) and a reckless driver.

[@Schbashin]

I think the news companies cover bad things is because they are trying to bring awareness to said things, however they still cover positive news as well. I guess you have to decide what you want to read at the end of the day

[@Wetam99]

They cover what gets more clicks. They answer to stockholders or they get replaced. It’s the people’s fault not the journalists.

[@Leronos]

What actually happened with Josh anyone has a tldr?

[@Dravileyen]

There are screens of him chatting up a 14 y/old unless they lied about age

[@MrDoggson]

@@plummet3860 you missed the rape allegation?

[@VictouffeVideos]

@@plummet3860 that's not the story at all. read the twitlong from poopernoodle. This are plain rape allegations, with the police that could not do anything without a witness or a video.

[@plummet3860]

@@MrDoggson yes i did i havent honestly read everything ill delete my reply

[@MrDoggson]

@@plummet3860 you didnt need to delete, you just missed some parts. It was still part of it

[@Shwrecked]

What makes this different from the Swifty situation? Everyone seems to be on Swifty's side while everyone is throwing Josh under the bus, with Blizzard doing the opposite for both people.

[@whatisthisidonteven3584]

This case has a lot of evidence.

[@kolepaul3919]

josh is a loser

[@sleepydruid100]

Why is Preach getting fllag for something someone else did? I sorta don´t understand the context here.

[@knfbnny]

Let's say you participate at your local chess club, and there are a few odd folk, and at the end of the year you are a guest speaker at the chess convention .. you are concerned about the weird boys but we're told not to worry Later on mountains of evidence comes out the weird boys at your local chess club are confirmed for violent nasty behaviour Now everybody at the chess convention thinks that you, and the rest of the people at your local chess club knew, or had something to do with it

[@fus7646]

@@knfbnny that was a really good analogy

[@Apollofish_games]

@yGLeviathan YOU DONT KNOW MY CHESS CLUB!!! YOU ARENT MY REAL DAD!

[@Kalsimir]

yGLeviathan Method isn’t his employer. He’s acting there more out of charity than anything else. Furthermore, while they legally may not have been able to give him information, assuring him that everything was fine was an incredibly irresponsible and immoral move. If they couldn’t say anything, that’s what they should have told Preach.

[@ThunderingRoar]

@yGLeviathan except that they already lost sponsors because they kept him safe mr lawyer

[@1Animeculture]

I dont know the full details of it, was it only an alligation? because earlier asmon talked about how "alligations can destroy lives!" thats why im a little curious on why this case is seen with different eyes? is there some info i havent heard?

[@blackeesh463]

Because evidence has been provided apart from the pussy begging a 13 year old claim.

[@FisherGaming]

Innocent until proven guilty. I'll withhold judgment until the court case is decid-- ... there was so little evidence it didn't even make it to court? Well, then...

[@lemonscented2644]

I went through something similar, someone I knew and became friends with had been convicted in the past of something disgusting and I found out years later. Found out and the next day confronted him about it, he just walked off. Never heard from him again, still makes me sick. Nothing but love and support Mike

[@chexet3025]

where can i get intel about this, id like to make up my own mind with propper info

[@chexet3025]

found it, everyone read it.

[@mattdavenport789]

Wheres the link

[@timothymartin5538]

Would seriously appreciate the link too, I can't work off heresay, bombarded with hyperbole and rhetoric.

[@taycom962]

I see a lot of people trying to dismiss the rape accusation purely because it was a dropped case but what you have to remember is that proving rape is incredibly hard ESPECIALLY in a situation like this where there is basically no witnesses on either side. What we do know for a fact is that he's been accused of doing creepy shit before this and the girl has clearly had some trauma after visiting him (her breakdown after returning home) not to mention he was acting incredibly creepy with her on stream. I know that ''fake'' cancel culture outrage is the obvious knee jerk reaction for many people here but this went far beyond just an accusation, there are multiple people giving detailed description of his character, her story checks out with the livestreams and he has literally not even attempted to defend himsel, as such even without an actual conviction its very obvious that he deserves to be cancelled at the very least. Like, I get that everyone is trying to say ''NO PROOF fake allegations ruin lives!!11'' but so does rape, its just simply unfair to completely dismiss her claims purely because there was no video/witness/physical proof, which is ultimately the only thing that can prove this type of crime 100%, and then completely ignore the mountains of evidence suggesting he was exactly the kind of person to pull this shit. Also you'd have to be genuinely autistic not see to see he was clearly fucked in the head.

[@rosco3]

I'm sorry but canceling someone because he might be a rapist/abuser is stupid. Let at least the investigations conclude if the messages are fake or not, if the pictures are fake or not. You don't necessarily need a 100% proof which is why we have 2 standards for guilty (the resonable doubt for criminal and balance of probabilities for civil matters). At least meet the latter before destroying someone's life.

[@talic182]

Uhm No way to prove rape? I am not so sure you know what you are talking about. Rape does in fact leave actual physical evidence, and I can give you hospital nurses who would tell you exactly whats up. Did he message her? Maybe. Is he creepy or strange? Sure, but just because he isn't "normal" doesn't make him a rapist or molester or sexual deviant. Like the other dude commented, if there is an investigation, let it conclude. Preach is acting prematurely based on accusations not fact, and facts is what keeps us from locking up and destroying many mens lives that where in FACT innocent. I get that there are some fckdup men in this world, but you also have to admit that there are women out there that regretted a decision they made or just want to destroy someones life just for the lulz.

[@rosco3]

@@talic182 I would just like to add that I don't think Preach is acting prematurely but not because of Josh or whatever he may or may not have done. Method literally lied to him, this completely breaks the trust you have on your employer and I don't see how he could have continued to work with them. Maybe some stuff he said was a little premature but distancing himself from Method wasn't one IMO.

[@taycom962]

@@talic182 Uh huh, yeah nowhere did I say that it doesn't leave physical evidence, just that it was clearly not available in this case. By the way i'd love to have you explain the stats on actual convictions when it comes to reported rape in the UK (where this took place) only being at 5.7% Surely if any hospital nurse can tell you ''exactly whats up'' that number would be a lot higher wouldn't it? Unless of course its not so easy to find actual physical evidence and everything else is obscured when dealing with victims whos first, and very natural, instinct is to compulsively clean themselves. Also to my knowledge the investigation has already concluded due to lack of said evidence, just like thousands of other ones for the very same reason. Dude got away from any real repercussions.

[@thristanebben8902]

And then the investigation ends, Josh was actually innocent and we all acted like fools and talked crap for nothing. Or not and this is one of the cases where there’s actual degeneracy, backed up by actual facts and evidence. All i know, Complexity-Limit has to be partying in secret. Consenting adults put themselves in these situations, things like this happen. People can either take responsibility for their actions or not. Whatever happens, i hope justice is done.

[@kryo4412]

Everyone in the chat just saying "Allegations....." if you were preach, you'd assume the same --having asked DIRECTLY about the situation, and being constantly brushed off by those closest to all the information.

[@lolzinjo12]

being constantly brushed off really????????' she made sex jokes 2 days after she left josh house

[@kryo4412]

@@lolzinjo12 Bruh preach literally DIRECTLY asked them. And they just said "It's fine". That's being brushed off.....

[@kryo4412]

@@lolzinjo12 If it wasn't a big deal, they would have gone into detail, and actually explained the situation if there wasn't any information to hide.

[@lolzinjo12]

@@kryo4412 thats a beautiful semantic s its fine = brashed off or its fine = she was not raped

[@kryo4412]

@@lolzinjo12 I dont know what you're on about, or what you're typing. But I give up trying to read or understand it.

[@aphexius3287]

Of course they were obligated to tell their partners.

[@devinhoyt2935]

I'm not familiar with the situation but from the sounds of it, the right thing for them to do would be to hire someone to stay with the guy through the entire event to watch him. Might be a bit conspicuous but wouldn't require breaching any privacy laws while making sure nothing could happen. Plus if the guy somehow manages to do anything creepy during the event, you'd only have more evidence for the investigation.

[@devinhoyt2935]

After learning more about the accusations, assuming they knew half of what's going on, I'm no longer sure that would be good enough. What a fucking mess.

[@midnightwizard1410]

This stuff is everywhere. Ive worked in the Tattoo Industry and quite a few artists I used to look up to, have been exposed and one even has been arrested. It just goes to show you cant trust anyone. There are predators in every industry unfortunately.

[@moeloehoe]

Who'd have thought for people with an animal like drive and energy to go forward... That those people are the ones who don't give a shit about other people and take advantage whenever they have a sniff at an opportunity.

[@PKcrash]

Asmon is the best. He is the most "normal" content creator that I watch and I love it.

[@NoTruth_42069xdgodxqtjaja]

*Bruh. He just followed the ways of the priest.*

[@nandrolone.is.underated]

underated

[@thetruth4196]

Followed the way of Muhammad.

[@NoTruth_42069xdgodxqtjaja]

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[@thetruth4196]

@@NoTruth_42069xdgodxqtjaja ? Db?

[@Nozem13]

30:30 "The police said he was innocent." That's incorrect, they said they didn't, at the time, have sufficient evidence to move forward. It never went to trial. POLICE DON'T DETERMINE INNOCENCE. Courts do.

[@rosco3]

And people who aren't found guilty are? Innocent. So yes, the police did say he was innocent at the time.

[@NoConsequenc3]

@@rosco3 no, that's not how that works. You can simply not have a verdict. Dipshit.

[@nowhale]

@@NoConsequenc3 Yes, thats how it works. You are innocent until found guilty by the court. If there is no evidence you are innocent.

[@rosco3]

@@NoConsequenc3 That is how it works. Dipshit.

[@axelwedelin92]

@@nowhale Innocent in what capacity? Are you seriously so naive as to believe that every single person found guilty in a court of law did what they were charged with and every single person who has ever done something horrible has been sentenced for that exact thing. With no exceptions, no innocents ever wrongfully convicted and not a single person in the world ever having committed a heinous act having escaped justice? Get the fuck out of here.

[@langa77777]

Asmon: “blizzard are spineless for cutting ties based on allegations.” Also asmon when it comes to method ..... Maybe blizzard aren’t complete idiots after all.

[@zsoltsiro1310]

METHOD HIDDEN the information about Josh FOR YEARS It's disgusting

[@marshallmcelmurry7087]

I read the long post of the allegations... There's literally screens hots of conversations. Now I know those cane be faked etc, but it doesn't look good given his rep. Swifty is a different deal all together from the way I see it....

[@BigManTommyB]

both situations aren't the same

[@lam0bot]

@@marshallmcelmurry7087 Except all those screenshots don't even show anything incriminating.

[@marshallmcelmurry7087]

@@lam0bot if that was my daughter that dude would be a dead man....

[@doclewis8927]

It bothers me when people say "couldn't you tell someone was (fill-in the criminal allegation)". All of the serial killers in the world and people still say "how could you not know". Well, because people see only what they want to see AND only what the cr wants them to see. No...you can't tell that someone's a criminal or alleged criminal. Transparency is ALWAYS better than covering it up or trying to ignore it. Even if the allegations ended up being false (I'm speaking in general terms not this case), your followers and your staff and other contractors should know about allegations and that they are being taken seriously and being investigated. Covering up or ignoring something...makes you and your company look complicit, enabling even more bad behavior.

[@WithouttheFluff]

Is there an Asmon discord? I just want people to play WoW with cause I’m garbage at the game.

[@druidswarm3775]

yeah there is, idk where to find it tho

[@jasona7340]

Preach is Amazing, that kind of integrity is what we should all strive to.

[@dodoenthusiast9586]

I hope people realize that the reaction to the swifty story and now to the josh story contradict each other on a fundamental level.

[@axelwedelin92]

They certainly do not.

[@TayronBerlanga]

I was looking for this comment. Unfortunately there is not much common sense on this particular part of the community.

[@vallougomoulou5945]

@wowalinbie OneHead "reacted" is such a specific term, no way it could mean different actions taken

[@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940]

witchhunt.

[@axelwedelin92]

@wowalinbie One is a case of he said/she said, there is only 1 witness account, and said witness is biased against the accused. She has reasons to lie. The other is a case of multiple witness accounts, unrelated accusers with zero reasons to lie, there are chat logs, screen shots, a police investigation. No, these two cases are not the same.

[@mrfluffyhedgehog]

preach had his kids at those events. you bet that he asked and that this is very personal. i get that this situation was difficult for method. i get why they would not want to pull the trigger too fast on a member of the team without hard evidence. once you officially distance yourself, those kind of allegations inevitably ruin someone's life no matter if true or not. something like that never goes away. BUT: they needed to have had him benched the second the first whisper of an allegation was made known to them. keep him on the team but do not place him - without any explanation or a made up one (time reasons whatever) - until this is very VERY thoroughly cleared up. having him continue to actively play and even attend events, downplaying the situation? that was not just irresponsible, it was flat out braindead. this kind of mistake is not something an org like that can recover from. i feel for sco and the others in some way. it looks like they just where not ready and/or able to believe and deal with such allegations against someone they knew. that stain of inaction in the face of something this bad will stick with them for a long time, even though they did literally nothing. career death by association is a very real thing for someone who works in this field. in the end their plight is self made. their inaction very likely lead to more victims of that predator. what a horrible end to a group who clearly had a lot of fun, was made up mostly of decent people i am sure and who i enjoyed watching ...

[@BloodPlayTv]

without knowing what josh did it sounds like he installed a bomb at the event wtf is going on xD

[@raver377]

there have been rape accusations amongst other things

[@ElderSign32]

Grooming and soliciting nudes from teens, mostly. At least one rape accusation that I've seen.

[@xTatsumix]

Believe all women. Lol. Disgusting. Allegations!

[@CookedPotatoes47]

Tatsumi read the tweets.

[@xTatsumix]

@@CookedPotatoes47 not on Twitter. Send pics.