New research highlights Scottish origin for part of Stonehenge

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Stonehenge, the Neolithic stone circle on Salisbury Plain in southern England, has captivated archaeologists, antiquarians and sightseers for centuries. For decades researchers have tried to find the origins of the stones, with some being sourced to the surrounding landscape and some from the Preseli Hills in Wales.
But new geochemical analysis of the Altar Stone, a partially buried slab of sandstone at the centre of the stone circle, suggests that this stone originally came from the Orcadian Basin in Scotland over 700 kilometres away.
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@Knappa22
@Knappa22 25 күн бұрын
Some comments about the Scots wanting it back. I don’t think they will. Stonehenge is a monument that predates the concept of England, Wales and Scotland. As a Welshman I am happy for the blue stones to remain at Stonehenge because it is a monument of great antiquity and belongs to us all. The Stone of Scone is a different matter as it a symbol of sovereignty and of subjugation. The stones of Stonehenge have no such conotations.
@ransakreject5221
@ransakreject5221 19 күн бұрын
We want our rock damnit. We have other rocks we’ll trade you. I got tons in my back yard
@DS-xg9kf
@DS-xg9kf 12 күн бұрын
You don’t understand the scots. Theyre so tight they’d want their toilet paper back
@superfly1321
@superfly1321 27 күн бұрын
Fantastic video. One can only imagine the truly legendary journey that stone must have taken through the prehistoric swamps and forests of britain at that time. A++ work
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 7 күн бұрын
@@superfly1321 If you believe such s far fetched story.
@Carloshache
@Carloshache 27 күн бұрын
I guess we severely underestimate the people of Neolithic Britain. Please consider that the Mesoamerican Mayans were a "stone age civilizations", that didn't use any metal what so ever.
@ericrobinson8078
@ericrobinson8078 23 күн бұрын
It’s not a case of underestimating them it’s more a case of not understanding them. How can we possibly with our 21st century mindset understand the motivations of a Neolithic mind. We constantly bring to bear our own prejudices and overlay them on these Neolithic peoples. Who knows what motivated them when it came to building structures like Stonehenge and why they brought the bluestones from what is now wales and the alter stone from what we now call Scotland, not that these human constructs existed then. To them the land that we know as the UK was a very different place were England, Scotland and Wales did not exist.
@annbretagne2108
@annbretagne2108 19 күн бұрын
Neolithics didn't have any metal 5,000 - 5,500 years ago. In Britain, copper/bronze came in around 2,000 BC; iron around 500BC.
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays 26 күн бұрын
Great work
@nickcooper1260
@nickcooper1260 26 күн бұрын
This is very interesting, in his 1977 book 'Secrets of Lost Races', suggested a link (because of parallel alignments) between northern Scotland stone circles and Stonehenge.
@archibaldtuttle8481
@archibaldtuttle8481 26 күн бұрын
A much simpler and vastly less daunting explanation is that the Scottish Altar Stone was moved by ice as an 'erratic'. Enormously larger erratic stones have been found in Washington state and in Oregon. A simple search online shows the hypothetical extent of glacial ice is evidently near Stonehenge. Man utilizing nature instead of striving against it.
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 26 күн бұрын
The glaciers flowed north from the Highlands to the Orcadian Basin, not south.
@Palpameme66
@Palpameme66 26 күн бұрын
Correct. There's mounting evidence for glacial activity across Salisbury Plain, and in the area surrounding stonehenge.
@garyprice6504
@garyprice6504 26 күн бұрын
Exactly. See USA geology. Massive rocks carried in glacial rivers. Not downwards but nowadays found up mountains.
@paulingvar
@paulingvar 25 күн бұрын
This possibility is considered in the video, but rejected. It was also my first though. There must be geological maps showing transported glacial large stones in GB. Anybody knows?
@Palpameme66
@Palpameme66 25 күн бұрын
@@paulingvar absolutely. There's mounting evidence. And the notion that the glaciers flowed north from Scotland, and not north across the country is just flat out wrong.
@yaeldegany
@yaeldegany 27 күн бұрын
The comments some people write here about ancient times are really interesting. I wish they'd include a source or two so I could check / follow up. 👍
@grahambell5340
@grahambell5340 25 күн бұрын
A glacial erratic does not have to end up next to the Stonehenge site. It could have come from a few dozen miles away and transported like the other stones.
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 11 күн бұрын
Or just a few hundred yards away 🤷
@grahambell5340
@grahambell5340 11 күн бұрын
@@jono1457-qd9ft No, I don`t think so. Glacial erratics did not reach that far south.
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 11 күн бұрын
@@grahambell5340 Do some research.
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 11 күн бұрын
​@@grahambell5340there are thousands of glacial erratic boulders in many southern counties of England. They have been documented over the last 100 years. Why this is being denied by certain people who publish science research is baffling.
@grahambell5340
@grahambell5340 11 күн бұрын
@@jono1457-qd9ft Good point, but there do not seem to be any next door to Stonehenge
@mpmdean
@mpmdean 10 күн бұрын
They don't have anything near adequate evidence to suggest the stone was transported by humans from Scotland. Even if ice flow models suggest that it was unlikely to be transported all the way by ice, the hypothesis that it was transported all the way by humans is also improbable. Not only due to the hassle but primarily because there are many other interesting stones with a couple of 100 miles, including many erratic stones that have been transported much closer to Stonehenge. This is typical of Nature publishing what will get most attention and not what is most likely true.
@herbertfawcett7213
@herbertfawcett7213 2 күн бұрын
It is a shame that your ancestors were so much less creative than everyone else!
@JohnVance
@JohnVance 27 күн бұрын
No one is considering the possibility the stone was transported by swallow
@camp44mag
@camp44mag 27 күн бұрын
African or European?
@keithwebb2349
@keithwebb2349 26 күн бұрын
@@camp44magAfrican surely ?
@PapaRocks
@PapaRocks 7 күн бұрын
Cattle raising was very important in Neolithic Britain. Piles of cow bones were found at Stonehenge, suggesting ceremonial feasting. Oxen could have pulled a sled on rollers to the site. I believe it has been shown that: 1. The Ness of Brodgar area was abandoned shortly before Stonehenge was begun or upgraded, and 2. Cattle bones at Stonehenge were shown to have originated in northern Scotland.
@presstodelete1165
@presstodelete1165 21 күн бұрын
Interesting that no one thought to mention the coincidence of the stone coming from the very area where the oldest stone circles are found. Another point is the suggestion that long distance travel would be overland when, during that period, all the evidence shows water was the superhighway of the era.
@dondouglass6415
@dondouglass6415 26 күн бұрын
Love the dad photo... 😊
@kevinmcalpine4521
@kevinmcalpine4521 25 күн бұрын
I'm a bit uneasy that their sample wasn't taken directly off the Altar Stone. It was chipped off (allegedly) in 1844. They are putting a lot of trust in the truth of that, and the chain of evidence. The Altar stone is about 6 tons. Surely it wouldn't hurt to take a sample? It's not sacred material, it's just a rock with a history. Using the sample that they did use devalues the work by introducing unnecessary doubt.
@uncletoad1779
@uncletoad1779 24 күн бұрын
Second that. As fascinating as it all sounds, scientifically it would be much more unambiguous to take a small chip off the altar stone itself instead of trusting the words of some diggers back in the 1800s.
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 24 күн бұрын
Also, the authors even ignore the likely glacial transport of the bluestones from mynydd preseli, referring to that location as a quarry, when in reality there is no local evidence of quarrying.
@Julia-nl3gq
@Julia-nl3gq 23 күн бұрын
That's a fair point. However, the thing is, you don't actually know what they know. What I mean, is, you're assuming that they're ''putting a lot of trust in the truth of that, and the chain of evidance''. But you don't actually know that. Not trying to be rude at all, just pointing out that you don't actually know that. I mean, for all you know, it's not a question of trust. Perhaps they actually have proof. In fact, if a person is going to make an assumption, I think that a safer assumption is that they do, indeed, have proof, and it's not a question of trust. I mean, think about it. These are very skilled people, who know exactly what they're doing, and understand the importance of what they're doing - I really do not think they're just going to wing it, and base it on trust. One other thing: it is sacred material. So better not to cut it.
@kevinmcalpine4521
@kevinmcalpine4521 23 күн бұрын
That's because they didn't cover it in the video. A few sentences might have been enough. But I don't see what they could have offered. 1844 is 180 years ago now. And without good witnesses to it's collection, and storage history, it leaves a pointless doubt. My point was, why not chip a new piece off to test? The thing weighs six tons, it can afford it. There's nothing sacred about it.
@kevinmcalpine4521
@kevinmcalpine4521 19 күн бұрын
@@LucasProgeny The site in 1844 was privately owned, and the owner probably took a chip off it for himself. So the chip would be private property, and the permission needed would be from the current owner. From what I read, the chip was taken from the underside of the Altar Stone, which is now buried. But for that, I would think you could have verified if it was genuine, by offering up the chip to the place it was taken from, and see if it's a perfect fit. But really, it's a bit farcical not wanting to take a fresh chip off the altar stone. It's six tons of rock, and the only value is in what it can tell you. It's hardly sacred, but even if it was, all the more reason to get it right. They took samples off the Shroud of Turin for scientific testing some years ago, and THAT was supposed to be a miraculous image of Jesus. This stone isn't in the same league sacredness.
@footfault1941
@footfault1941 27 күн бұрын
Surely our ancestors never ever intended to leave the such a complicated manner to understand for the contemporary. Quite simple, straightforward for them! Crazy, un-henged!
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 27 күн бұрын
It would not have been straightforward for them but it shows what you can do when you have the will and the resources to do something.
@Autorange888
@Autorange888 26 күн бұрын
@@ptonpc It's called dedication.
@ericrobinson8078
@ericrobinson8078 27 күн бұрын
The really interesting question is why that stone? Given the other blue stones from Wales were repurposed for Stonehenge in that it’s thought they formed their own earlier stone circle in Wales, could the alter stone have been part of an earlier monument possibly in Orkney? Could this alter stone have achieved some sort of Neolithic fame causing it to be relocated? While the method of its relocation is an interesting question the why that particular stone is a far more intriguing one. Were the peoples of this time period regular travelers? Did they think nothing of making lost distance journeys? It’s an area that needs more research.
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 26 күн бұрын
Neil Oliver did a BBC show which claimed that the centre of the Neolithic culture that built Stonehenge was in Orkney. So it could have been symbolic, a bit like Christians bringing pieces of the "True Cross", or the bones of saints, over great distances.
@ericrobinson8078
@ericrobinson8078 26 күн бұрын
@@David-qw3qk Could well be or it could be for a totally different reason. The problem is our 21st century minds are so far removed from those of the neolithic thats it's very difficult for us to put ourselves in their place in regard to motivations and mind set. What we have to do is find archeological or other scientific evidence that we can use to draw evidence based conclusions.
@theadventuresofamermaid4816
@theadventuresofamermaid4816 26 күн бұрын
It came from Westray Orkney, is green purple colour unlike anything else in Stonehenge. There are many reasons why that stone. I need to write a book!
@Julia-nl3gq
@Julia-nl3gq 23 күн бұрын
Personally, I think it's not a coincidence that it's the altar stone that came from Scotland. Stonehenge is, I firmly believe, a sacred place. The ALTAR stone being different from all the others makes sense, in a religious way.
@theadventuresofamermaid4816
@theadventuresofamermaid4816 22 күн бұрын
@@David-qw3qk I have matched the type of stone to the Rousay Flagstone and the best match is from the rocks between Westray and Papa Westray. It could have been one of the missing stones from Ring of Brodgar but I thinks it was always a recumbent stone when placed at Stonehenge.
@DTChapman1
@DTChapman1 19 күн бұрын
Truly the first ever British project
@markhand4530
@markhand4530 19 күн бұрын
the egyptians were transporting huge stones of that size down the nile but to have moved this one by sea is mindblowing. I guess the other question is not 'how' but 'why' would they have felt it necessary to move it from scotland. Maybe, it has huge symbolic meaning in their religious belief in terms of unifying all the tribes in what now wales and scotland and england in one religion as the pre cursor of stonehenge exists in scotland.
@user-jl9uy5zf4y
@user-jl9uy5zf4y 27 күн бұрын
That guy is a legend! He can die happy.
@michellerenner6880
@michellerenner6880 26 күн бұрын
And he’s only 25!
@quantum-entanglement1568
@quantum-entanglement1568 19 күн бұрын
If you watch Neil Olivers documentaries, Life during Stone-Henge and Life After Stone-Henge; he undercovers what science already knows...the oldest henges are from Orkney in Scotland, its surrounding Islands and also settlements of ancient Scots now lying beneath the waves - where Henge also exist. This being that Henge originated in Scotland and their creators migrated down across the British landscape taking their culture with them... It's utterly fascinating how the Islands of Scotland were the origin of spirituality in Britain and became the cornerstone of British culture... And it is FACT - these creators were of no ordinary lineage. These were the Original Druids. The Origin of them... This ideology of worshipping sun, moon and stars and perhaps celestial-returning objects was as fascinating to these emerging Druids before society existed in Britain...
@GideonCyn
@GideonCyn 24 күн бұрын
The sample was from the 1800s? how do they know its genuine?
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 11 күн бұрын
Exactly. It's just a silly story with a huge amount of media hype.
@colinlockyera4341
@colinlockyera4341 23 күн бұрын
Could it have been brought down from Scotland in/on a glacier during the Ice Age?
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 11 күн бұрын
Yes, of course. If it did come from Scotland, but they didn't actually take a sample of the Stonehenge alter stone. They sampled a piece of stone which was claimed to be from the alter stone a long time ago. 🤔
@Jez-Hunt
@Jez-Hunt 26 күн бұрын
It would certainly tie in with the pig remains at Durrington Walls from up that way too
@theadventuresofamermaid4816
@theadventuresofamermaid4816 27 күн бұрын
It came from no quarry, the Altar Stone was thrown up out of the sea onto the land at Aikerness, Westray Island Orkney. Nearby today can be seen a similar block of micaceous sandstone outside the Coffee Shop and Gallery of Edwin Rendell called "Wheeling Steen". A Norse word for Resting Stone. The megalithic builders in Orkney were expert seafarers and using tides alone could take this 6 tonne stone by sea to Salisbury Plain in 72 days, no problem.
@ericrobinson8078
@ericrobinson8078 26 күн бұрын
And where is your evidence for your claim? As far as I can make out you spotted a stone near a cafe in Orkney and you used that as your evidence for where the alter stone originated from. I think I would rather stick to the scientific evidence that points to the stone not originally coming from Orkney due to its chemical/mineral composition. IT may well have made its way to Orkney but there is no evidence as yer pointing to that.
@timgstar3585
@timgstar3585 26 күн бұрын
@@theadventuresofamermaid4816 .ok but What is the capacity of a 18 foot boat? For example, for a boat 18 feet long by 6 feet wide, the number of persons is 18 times 6 (or 108) divided by 15, which equals seven 150-pound persons (or a total person weight of 7 × 150, or 1050 pounds). A 6 tons stone would not work on that boat from Scotland to Salisbury
@FacesintheStone
@FacesintheStone 26 күн бұрын
My friend, the rocks are the the written record. It goes without recognition, but each, and every one of these is a statue, I understand that this stone structure was rebuilt by modern humans, we have video recording of it. Understand that these are not the way that they sat before. I teach to see this ancient art. I learned it after several weeks of studying a native American village found along the “Haw” river in North Carolina
@Autorange888
@Autorange888 25 күн бұрын
Our far ancestors used sacred geometry aligned to astronomical events. Stonehenge was not rebuilt in modern times, some restorations were carried out, re-erection of some fallen stones. You can find the word 'restoration' explained in a dictionary of the English language.
@Julia-nl3gq
@Julia-nl3gq 23 күн бұрын
It wasn't rebuilt. The video is of restorations being done. When they were done, they stones were put back in their original places. Nothing was changed. This is how the stones have always sat.
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
For those sceptical about the carrying capacity of Bronze Age boats, search for "Where are the missing boatyards? Steaming pits as boat building sites in the Nordic Bronze Age" (open access academic paper). These are Scandinavian examples, but would have been perfectly seagoing and there's no reason to suppose the British Isles, surrounded by sea and on long-distance trade routes for, e.g., copper, would have had inferior craft. Fig. 4 comments on the continuity of design from the Bronze Age through the Iron Age to Viking longships. Some were over 20m long with benches for at least 20 oarsmen.
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 27 күн бұрын
Amazing :D
@robertpeters2001
@robertpeters2001 24 күн бұрын
It would be wonderful if humans transported the megalith that distance. However, I would like to see some more information on the sample’s provenance or to confirm the analysis with a sample taken from the megalith, and I would like to see evidence of the extent of glacial erratics in the UK.
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
It's not about the extent of the erratics. It's about the flow directions inferred from ice-plucked grooves, kames, eskers and roches moutonees. Ice flowed outwards from a high point in the Grampian Highlands, which was south of the Orcadian Basin. Any Orcadian erratics which ended up in the south of England would have been moving against the flow for the first 100 miles.
@MrScoopers1
@MrScoopers1 24 күн бұрын
​@David-qw3qk That's it. You can find maps online with directional markings for the ice flows and erratics. None of them moved from NE Scotland to Salisbury. And the area in NE Scotland is one of the least affected by glacial erosion.
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 11 күн бұрын
​@@MrScoopers1 Incorrect. Just another piece of misinformation about glacier movement.
@sijonesguitar
@sijonesguitar 4 күн бұрын
Modern pop culture provides evidence that it may have been a giant granite birthday cake or a prison far too easy to escape…?
@RJ-xv1nh
@RJ-xv1nh 9 күн бұрын
No mention that ice could have carried them to Wales ?
@MOEMUGGY
@MOEMUGGY 21 күн бұрын
Either way, it is impressive to think that all of the skeletal remains associated with these megalithic Stones only averaged 5 ft 3in. These were really little people. They originated the term, "Napoleon syndrome" They were definitely overcompensating, and had something to prove.😂
@davidhughes7637
@davidhughes7637 27 күн бұрын
Does the stone have to have been brought from Scotland by humans? Could it have been brought down by a glacier beforehand?
@forestforestforestforest
@forestforestforestforest 27 күн бұрын
6:25 he says no
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 27 күн бұрын
@@forestforestforestforest Exactly.
@helenamcginty4920
@helenamcginty4920 27 күн бұрын
He explained that there were no ice flows that would fit. Plus theres no evidence the Salisbury plain was ever covered in ice. Ive still to watch a recent video claiming ice flows for the blue stones from W Wales so dont know how that chap solves his idea.
@davidhughes7637
@davidhughes7637 27 күн бұрын
I need to watch the video next time!
@ericrobinson8078
@ericrobinson8078 27 күн бұрын
Not according to what’s known about how the glaciers of that time flowed.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid 26 күн бұрын
When these stones were still freshly cut, were they more visibly different? Like, could your average neolithic non-geologist looking around Stonehenge immediately tell that there were three distinct kinds of stones used? I'm asking because if they were all just grey slabs of rock, then why go to all the trouble of dragging the thing across the entire island?
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 26 күн бұрын
The Sarsens are also sandstones, but I presume the Altar Stone is Caithness Flagstone which would be visually different, hence categorisation as a "bluestone" (anything not a local Sarsen).
@herbertfawcett7213
@herbertfawcett7213 2 күн бұрын
The neolithic Scone Stone!
@Nick.Martin.
@Nick.Martin. 26 күн бұрын
If they can narrow it down to originating from Orkney, that would be astounding and proof it was at least in part transported over water. Exciting times!
@andrewmorton7482
@andrewmorton7482 26 күн бұрын
I wonder if we've had Stonehenge wrong all along. If this stone came from Scotland and the rising sun hits it at midsummer then it also hits it at sunset in midwinte. At Maeshow on Orkney the alignment of the entry passage illuminates the chamber at that time
@Autorange888
@Autorange888 25 күн бұрын
All the Neolithic chambered mounds and stone circles were designed with solar/lunar orientations in mind. Stonehenge was famous in prehistory, as far as the Alps, Greece and the Mediterranean. Our Anglo-Saxon ancestors still laid out solar alignments, this ancient High Art was killed by Christianity, now we have to re-discover everything we have lost, archaeology finds it hard to deal with the evidence.
@johnrangi4830
@johnrangi4830 26 күн бұрын
I think the solution to the stone only settles the origin of the Stone. It does not solve the specific culture, spiritual belief or empire. I believe it's only part of the answer. I'm guessing you would have to take all information into account. Like who was possibly in proximity there and in the surrounding areas. It does seem to be fitting the current data. Could you please tell me what part of history you believe was built? I honestly thought it was possible between Hunter gatherers and farmers. Don't get me wrong but isn't that possible, if not why not. I would appreciate your opinion?
@williamc6774
@williamc6774 26 күн бұрын
Good old glaciation eh?
@sotony7483
@sotony7483 25 күн бұрын
Oh, don't say that, the SNP will demand it back.
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
They won't. The Stone of Scone was taken as a symbol of foreign conquest and subjugation, to support the claim that future Scottish kings would only be legitimate if crowned in London. The Altar Stone... wasn't
@Peter-uj8ye
@Peter-uj8ye 25 күн бұрын
obviously William Wallace brought these stones from Scotland
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 26 күн бұрын
The paper is open access and quite readable (just accept the dates and the method: they're a slam dunk)
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
Re some other comments about it being an old sample and you have to trust the curation. I presume they asked for a pristine sample but modern conservation rules vs. 19th Century Indiana Jones got in the way. It does seem to be a proper chain of custody and if as I assume it's Caithness Flagstone, there's a reason that was sold all over Britain as a premium stone: there's literally nothing else like it (actually there's a decent Permian lookalike from Lossiemouth which is still cut for facing-stones, but it's a freestone you can saw at any angle and slice thin without it breaking, not a natural flagstone).
@neiltaylor8198
@neiltaylor8198 27 күн бұрын
Now can we have our stone back😉🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@fenlandhobbit2307
@fenlandhobbit2307 27 күн бұрын
Only if you knock on the door and ask politely 😅
@harryc8415
@harryc8415 26 күн бұрын
Having to keep asking for our stones back is becoming quite the habit.
@fenlandhobbit2307
@fenlandhobbit2307 26 күн бұрын
@harryc8415 yes , and those ones should go back
@Autorange888
@Autorange888 25 күн бұрын
The stone was not stolen, it was a gift, it was donated.
@fenlandhobbit2307
@fenlandhobbit2307 25 күн бұрын
​We were referencing the Elgin Marbles ​. With reference to the 6 ton stone at Stonehenge, maybe it was dragged down from the last ice age in the huge glaciers . It would have stood out, just plonked on a plain. @Autorange888
@neiltaylor8198
@neiltaylor8198 25 күн бұрын
Been proved Orkney have older standing stones than stonhenge
@keefsmiff
@keefsmiff 19 күн бұрын
You mean okney? 😊
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl 17 күн бұрын
You wrote"Been proved Orkney have older standing stones than Stonehenge" *"Proved"* to whom and to what standard?
@neiltaylor8198
@neiltaylor8198 16 күн бұрын
@@keefsmiff no Orkney 😉
@andrewhodgson9750
@andrewhodgson9750 25 күн бұрын
it was my dad that brought it from border ,me uncle donald brought it to the border tied to his ting an that was the challenge to me dad ,he said "right then little brother i have dangled this big stone on my "!" for150 miles can you beat that young brother"an my dad ,with the infinite wisdom of youth replied " you can beat an egg ,but you cant beat a wan
@timgstar3585
@timgstar3585 26 күн бұрын
Please tell us how you move 6 tons that far thousands of years ago ... Anyone ?
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 26 күн бұрын
Boat is the authors' proposal. Same as the Egyptians moved their stones along the Nile.
@timgstar3585
@timgstar3585 26 күн бұрын
@@David-qw3qk have we ever found one of these boats in the UK ? I don't so
@timgstar3585
@timgstar3585 26 күн бұрын
@@David-qw3qk I went to Egypt last year Luxor and Cairo I didn't see anything to suggest they we're carrying 20 to a 100 tonnes on a boat probably smaller stones
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 26 күн бұрын
@@timgstar3585 Sunken boats have been found with huge stones in them. Recent documentary on Discovery Channel showed them. And a harbour at the quarry, and one at the construction site accessed by a canal.
@timgstar3585
@timgstar3585 26 күн бұрын
@@David-qw3qk yeah smaller stones on boats I can see that but not 6 tons, plus Stonehenge is older than the pyramids . That would mean a boat that can carry the equivalent to three modern day cars
@StudentDad-mc3pu
@StudentDad-mc3pu 26 күн бұрын
Perhaps they are going to ask for it back, like the Stone of Scone/Scoon?
@harryc8415
@harryc8415 26 күн бұрын
Well it would help if you lot would stop taking the bloody things 😢. 😊 On a more serious note as a Scot I find it fascinating and really like the connection from Scotland to stone henge as it feeds into a lifelong fascination with stone henge.
@StudentDad-mc3pu
@StudentDad-mc3pu 26 күн бұрын
@@harryc8415 Absolutely, not sure how you feel about it but perhaps Stonehenge could become a symbol of the Union, with Scotland at the centre - makes sense considering it was the Scottish monarchy that took over England.
@harryc8415
@harryc8415 25 күн бұрын
@@StudentDad-mc3pu I think that a new Parliament should be built in the closest suitable point of centre of the entire UK (which will still be in England and that’s fine by me) This would help remove the north south divides and create a more equal balance in the country. I personally think a non combatant parliament building would result in more sensible governance. Then I think you would see the Scottish independence moving onto the back shelves. We have our share of bigots up here in Scotland also but the anti English sentiment amongst the normal people is simply not true and I could list plenty English persons who have prospered up here. The real dislike is for right wing Westminster (already the Scottish separatism is waning now we have a left of centre government in London that so far is nt ignoring Scotland. And the north east of England). You’re right though. There is something symbolic in finding this alter stone originated From up here. Cheers 👍🏻
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
Pretty unlikely. We know the difference between something that was stolen by force in an act of conquest and a ritual object that was moved by a unified culture that predated both conqueror and (briefly) conquered.
@yourstruely9896
@yourstruely9896 25 күн бұрын
Who says when they redecorated and rebuild stonhenge in the 1900 they did not add a stone they thought would fit niceley. Current stonehenge is pretty fake.
@Julia-nl3gq
@Julia-nl3gq 23 күн бұрын
Current stonehenge is 100 percent real. Sacred, beautiful, real. They didn't add a stone, because they were professionals, who would never do, or even think, of such a thing.
@TheManinblack1011
@TheManinblack1011 27 күн бұрын
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@MerePasser-by-7482
@MerePasser-by-7482 27 күн бұрын
🎙️: "What the fxxk is with stone-hhhhh-HENGE~~~?"🎤🎤
@johncopeland3826
@johncopeland3826 26 күн бұрын
Lots and lots of deflated and disappointed english egos , everywhere ! That's a heavy stone to carry around on your shoulders ...forever and a day .
@neiltaylor8198
@neiltaylor8198 27 күн бұрын
Bunch off stones why does this interest so many people, I'm only interested in the Scottish one in the middle off this ancient builder's yard , got to be the most important one , when surrounded by the other's 😉🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@ericrobinson8078
@ericrobinson8078 27 күн бұрын
Scotland did not exist at that particular time period and neither did the Scots. Overlaying your modern nationalist notions on an unknown Neolithic culture is meaningless.
@theadventuresofamermaid4816
@theadventuresofamermaid4816 26 күн бұрын
Quite right, an Inaugural stone that came from Westray, Orkney by sea somehow.
@Julia-nl3gq
@Julia-nl3gq 23 күн бұрын
Because it's a sacred, holy place.
@myrants5836
@myrants5836 27 күн бұрын
A load of absolute rubbish. So let's put this into perspective. People from 1000s of years ago all of a sudden decided it was a good idea to go and get a stone from Scotland. They probably didn't even know Scotland existed back then let alone had stones they would like! Absolute joke!
@liamchamba8114
@liamchamba8114 27 күн бұрын
Of course they knew Scotland existed. Trade & storytelling has been going on for thousands of years!
@RealUlrichLeland
@RealUlrichLeland 27 күн бұрын
You should go and see the stone age ruins of Orkney for yourself, they're very extensive, and archeologists have found evidence of Orkney products that were traded all across the British isles. Even when people's understanding of geography was limited there were still extensive trade networks in ancient times because you only had to trade it to your neighbour and they could trade it to their neighbours and so on. Archeologists have proven that one of the main sources of tin in ancient Greece was actually Cornwall, long before the Roman invasion there was still trade going on between Britain and Europe.
@MrScoopers1
@MrScoopers1 27 күн бұрын
Yeah. People were pig ignorant back then. Luckily we've evolved to the point we can leave comments like yours on KZbin 🎉
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
The Bronze Age needed bronze. Tin in Cornwall, copper in Spain. We didn't have a Tin Age here and a Copper age in Spain. They had long distance maritime trade. In 20m boats with (see my post of the morning) ten oar benches.
@gnenian
@gnenian 26 күн бұрын
Makes sense. It was already the oldest area.
@petertownend7777
@petertownend7777 27 күн бұрын
Its from a glacier nothing alien or mysterious
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 26 күн бұрын
The glaciers flowed northwards across the Orcadian Basin from the Highlands, not southwards.
@Autorange888
@Autorange888 26 күн бұрын
Find your answer at 6:28 of the video. And by the way, it's science.
@Charles-jf3mx
@Charles-jf3mx 26 күн бұрын
How long before the Scottish parliament demand its return ?
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
The end of time. No reason. In fact that would be a logical impossibility if you're referring to the Stone of Scone. It's return was agreed several years before the Scottish Parliament (or the preceding Assembly) existed, by a UK Government that opposed devolution.
@pingnick
@pingnick 27 күн бұрын
That is interesting wow I’d presume the South of Britain was colonized by the North at that time but!?🤯🪨🧪♾️
@pingnick
@pingnick 27 күн бұрын
That is interesting wow I’d presume the South of Britain was colonized by the North at that time but!?🤯🪨🧪♾️
@David-qw3qk
@David-qw3qk 24 күн бұрын
@@pingnick See the Neil Oliver series Capital of Ancient Britain series on BBC iPlayer. But I suspect it was more like the later Celtic/La Taen culture, a common culture and religion across thousand of miles with much regional trade, but with individual tribes and kingdoms much smaller and no central government. Like what the Romans found when they landed in England. La
@pingnick
@pingnick 24 күн бұрын
@@David-qw3qk yeah any reason is possible for the apparent long distance travelled for this central part of Stone Henge including subtle/not so subtle visual allure!?
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