A Skeptical Analysis of the Ica Stones

[@beefsupreme9679]

But did the stones have feathers

[@mariogabrielvignali3497]

MerlockTheUncanny hmmm interesting proposition

[@dragom2009]

the pterosaurs in the stones seem to have pycno fibers on their wings. in the carving on the stones

[@mariogabrielvignali3497]

The fibers could just be the man trying to add details since only the wings have them

[@dragom2009]

could be but a couple of other seen to show feathers. yes this is a hoax but I would love a dumb proof explanations for those most suiting coincidences.

[@Killerwhale-kp2fm]

Better question, does the muffin man have feathers?

[@chickenturtle5026]

Those stones are actually decomposed basking sharks.

[@lor-dylan6998]

Negative. Flying frogs confirmed.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

That is definitely a possibility as well.

[@randomstuffproductions6194]

TREY the Explainer I've heard that there's been sightings of the mothman in Chicago, could you explain?

[@corbon5288]

Angry Azhdarchid or a bioluminescent pterosaur with long tails

[@gabugabu04]

Marc Linan, owls.

[@mossbag69]

I haven't watched Avatar in over a decade but immediately remembered that song. It's just that good, I guess.

[@Ratciclefan]

I took longer to recognize it

[@jamesmtob1562]

Moss bag good to see you here

[@mgwood6939]

The queen of Spain had multiple about 50 or so, Inca stones in 1680 so he's wrong 😂🤣😂

[@flaminglettuce9464]

yoooo

[@Erratic_Pulse_0758]

Hey mossbag

[@HoundofOdin]

Even though they're absolutely fakes, the art is nice enough on it's own. I love "ancient tribal" style art.

[@HoundofOdin]

@@billyjean2349 I absolutely would too.

[@lgrozdanovic769]

I would like one as well, I really like the art style.

[@ducoo6212]

the reason why scientists are faking since decades everything they can is the mindless mass which love the nonsense and even spend their money for it..

[@henrykkeszenowicz4664]

I love these pieces of modern ancient-style art. It still can be a good souvenir.

[@sznycelsznycelski820]

@@HoundofOdin hey!!!!!Hallo mr. SCP man.

[@tyr7876]

isnt it terrible when people dont disclose the location of there *secret tunnel*

[@bananatorpedo275]

*_SECRET TUNNEL_*

[@kr8os965]

I like that. Thanks for the laughs

[@dstinnettmusic]

Their*

[@alanmcnaughton3628]

Pre Columbian sea crossing? So no ships existed pre columbus??? If you beleive that you need that brain transplant you speak of. "Scientist " need to accept??? their religious billions of years garbage to hatch the plot. Which thickens as the primordial soup plot cooks. All your garbage has been already scuttled its long dead except the lying dogs love to keep you in the dark These stones are much more real than your drivel. Dr Dennis Swift begs to differ kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5eqhImLj9Zlh8U Dr Dennis Swift.aurhor Ica stones & Nazka lines.

[@lucyk8935]

SECRET TUNNELLLLLLLLLLLL

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Selling self made carvings and trinkets is fine. Selling them as archeoligic artefacts is fraud.

[@JoshexDirad]

they were found in nazca burial pits not caves, they were not secret so much as not well known in location, today archaeologists are finding more of these burial pits and consequently more of these stones. might I add the radiometrically dated the stones engraved regions and found them to be 600 years old (1400 AD) this was 200 years before the colonists or even the spanish (Columbus) ever set off for america. the official way scientists view these stones is that they are authentic, but the drawings were based on fossils in the region that the natives saw exposed in a desert and thought they were a monster so they drew them. thats the official scientific thoughts on it. only the video author with his second hand knowledge is discrediting the authenticity of the stones.

[@luckyblockyoshi]

@@JoshexDirad ...what the fuck

[@Ζήνων-ζ1ι]

@@JoshexDirad yeah... need some sauce on that

[@YEs69th420]

@@JoshexDirad oh my gosh i've been trying to prove these are real for so long! please share any links you have so i show these idiots that they're real.

[@David_Punzalan]

@@JoshexDirad You are extremely misinformed. Please give me scientific articles to prove your official scientists. Even Uschuya admitted to faking them in BBC's Pathway to the Gods. He also recanted his claim that he found them in a cave. What you are referring to as carbon dating reveals you have been searching Wikipedia which instead states that the *context* dates back, not carbon dating. Also, if fossils were sticking out of the ground, how would they know what they looked like? It would be similar to the megalosaurus incident, where they did not know the position of the bones. Even then, if they did carve them, it's very uncanny that the carvings were very similar to the wrong ideas of dinosaurs at the time, stated in the video. Now, even then, if they saw dinosaur fossils, why would different dinosaurs from different periods that they existed in be in one place? Sir, I say that you have second-hand knowledge crediting the fraud of these stones.

[@Seb90009]

Trey used to be a creationist? Top ten anime plot twists!

[@znightowlz6585]

Cheb I don't know what a creationist is lmao😂

[@znightowlz6585]

Snoi Med so Christians? If that’s the case then it’s false. The bible says 6 not 7. And god is an all-powerful immortal deity, the millions of years for us was only 6 days for him. That’s entirely logical so I don’t know why that’s an argument

[@znightowlz6585]

Snoi Med oh and Adam and Eve weren’t the only humans god created. They were the first, that’s why they were the ones being talked about. The bible never said they were the only ones ever. So there’s another false argument by atheist. God created many AFTER Adam and Eve. maybe ages after maybe right after who knows

[@znightowlz6585]

Snoi Med are you stupid?! No fucking shit his perception of a single day is really a million years for us. He's fucking immortal, he lives in space! He has no sun to base his perception of time on. WHAT KIND OF ARGUMENT EVEN IS THIS?! Everything about this is logical wtf is wrong with you?

[@znightowlz6585]

Snoi Med do you have any idea how big God is?! Any idea how evolved he would be? If his perceptions of time or his understanding of things was anywhere near ours I'd think he's either a shit God or we're pretty evolved ourselves. And I highly doubt we're the evolved ones. Yes gods understanding of time is slower than ours (because he's immortal) none of the things that created our perception time are present for an all-knowing, omnipresent cosmic-fuckin-deity! The fact that you seem so offended that I assumed the fucking obvious is retarded and laughable.

[@ice9snowflake187]

Why would an "ancient" civilization use engraved stones (with no apparent practical use) to keep records, if they had such an "advanced" technology, presumably entailing the need for a rather precise and detailed communication/writing system, and accurate illustration?

[@jasoncolegrove4817]

You never heard of the ancient Egyptians?

[@eduardofreitas8336]

@laser325 That's why we do that today right??? Also we like to put all the advanced information in a singular cave, and to make it all poorly drawn and with barely any detail.

[@danmeyers708]

No one really knows what the ancients were thinking! Everything is just their best guess. There's many many fake artifacts and honestly clueless people. These stones are an example of the fraudulent people out there trying to get rich off false history. I am no expert but i find proven history and unproven history very interesting.

[@chengong388]

laser325 yes, a CNC machined stone, onto an extremely durable special synthetic stone.

[@ArkadiBolschek]

@laser325 That's actually the explanation that Javier Cabrera gives in his book. He "theorizes" that the "ancient civilization" fell to a period of global warming and decided to lay down their records in a medium that would resist rising temperatures and other hazards. He even says that "the rising temperatures probably made the stones easier to carve."

[@totallynotjevii574]

The art looks nice and stylized and I wish that the artist made them and just... sold them as they are.... nice art.....

[@jamesknight2198]

it is possible that he just started carving because he enjoyed it, then this idiot came along and bought them, prompting him to create more and search for images to copy. when someone throws money at you, particularly if you are poor, there is an obvious incentive not to kill the golden goose.

[@fancypigeon681]

@@jamesknight2198 that sounds like a great plot for a movie

[@maztr_0n81]

Yeah tbh I would not mind seeing this art on like... a vase or something, nice little decorations!

[@bangrojai]

The art is good. Lets say it is a hoax. Okay. But the stone is from 60's Dino Fever. Just like collectible item from 80's pop culture. It worth to collect. Dont forget, the stones connected to specific event, The Ica Stone Hoax. I will not hesitate to pay 1000 US $ for a stone that is proven as The Original Ica Stone Hoax.

[@ArkhanNightman]

The problem with making a living as an artist is making people care about your art in the first place, because there is just so much nice art to compete with.

[@PiousMoltar]

3:23 I can't get over the hilarity of the image of those dinos trying to eat plants.

[@MagnusTonitrum117]

like... how do they get the idea that Ceratosaurus and Deinonychus (clearly carnivorous dinosaurs) ate plants and, more ridiculously, coexisted with humans?

[@aste4949]

@@MagnusTonitrum117 Falldidit. Everything was happy joy time 24/7 in Eden with zero suffering, ergo no meat eating. The sharp teeth were just, like, used to open coconuts, man! Dunno why god couldn't have changed all meat-eating teeth to be suited to that purpose AFTER deciding to punish absolutely everything over that guy created in his image eating from the forbidden tree god left sitting around unguarded and in such easy access. Would make more sense for an all-powerful god, IMO-but non-sharp dino teeth are less cool to the kiddos and something something god made everything perfect something something.

[@evanz2704]

I know, right? 🤷🏻‍♀️ Still, kinda endearing painting...

[@Lumberjack_king]

if god exist then why did he banish animals if humans comited the first sin

[@cloutmastermemes2007]

@@aste4949 why just mock

[@contrarianduude3463]

It's even more complicated. The stones were made by modern day time traveling aliens who need money to fix their time machine......lol

[@danmeyers708]

Did they crash it?

[@ArkadiBolschek]

Why didn't they time travel to our era so they could set up a Patreon?

[@davidmhh9977]

This is why I don't put any credence into ancient aliens theories. It hinges on Aliens being capable of travelling across space with technology we can only dream of, and just leaving behind artifacts that are only advanced by standards thousands of years ago.

[@tompatterson1548]

@@ArkadiBolschek because the time machine broke before it could

[@gonzalo0408]

X-D

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

If these weren’t passed off as real, I think I’d buy one as a decoration. Probably use a smaller one as a paper weight

[@AJSSPACEPLACE]

@Caitlyn Carvalho I mean, yeah you’re right. Not every creationist believe that dinosaurs and people co-existed. But plenty do (just look at Kent hovind, and the following he’s gathered), and this video is addressing a hoax that was likely perpetrated by that sort of creationist. But my point is. This video isn’t talking about the kinds of creationists that don’t believe dinosaurs and people co-existed. They are entirely exempt from the criticism that applies to the other group

[@Jiub_SN]

@caitlyncarvalho7637yeah he's talking about those specific creationists? Like he outright says so in any video that that's relevant to? If you feel attacked somehow then it's probably because the things he's saying otherwise are challenging your beliefs in some way, so think about why you feel that way

[@yesman9792]

I will now be calling horses " Elk dogs" exclusively

[@ulalaFrugilega]

Understandable. Personally, I'll go for 7 dogs.

[@OHOE1]

Me seeing the title and seeing ICA, ICA is a supermarket company in skandinavia

[@letsomethingshine]

I guess the native word for pet was... dog.

[@Throckmorpheus]

You could also just say, 'Why would a civilization capable of brain surgery make their art on tiny stones and leave them in a *secret tunnel* somewhere?'

[@keizoxd5623]

Finn Else-McCormick becuz of Spanish Reconquista and Gun Powder! they all died but kept the Stones safe in the tunnel :0

[@Cancoillotteman]

Sooooooo... an advanced half alien civilization with dinosaur chiavalry and pterodactyle aviation was defeated by a few conquistadors....? Gosh, someone forgot to raise the difficulty in Total War Aliens wars ! X)

[@Cancoillotteman]

That'd actually make for a fun movie :)

[@manospondylus]

Zacharie Guillerey That's basically the Lizardmen-faction in Total War Warhammer 2

[@Ptaku93]

If you think about it, today in LA you also have an advanced civilisation capable of brain surgery, yet there are grafittis plastered all around the damn city.

[@GoblinModeKnives]

"Time is a frauds worst enemy" nice

[@kahlilme2025]

I don't get why Creationists, even today, can't accept that dinosaurs had feathers. Seriously, why? It's not like feathered dinosaurs are the blatant smoking gun for a scientific theory they also refuse to accept.

[@kahlilme2025]

xX_Squirtle The accurate position.

[@erickapujol265]

xX_Squirtle it’s true

[@JonPITBZN]

Because feathers on dinosaurs are lame. Dinosaurs with feathers are only half as cool as dinosaurs without feathers, MAXIMUM. Probably less. So, if you're going to selectively ignore science anyway, why not selectively ignore lame stuff like dinosaur feathers.

[@Hunter12396]

Creationist here, dinosaurs had feathers. I don't think I know anyone who would staunchly disagree with that if it came up in conversation, there's no reason to.

[@znightowlz6585]

Hunter12396 I don't know what a creationist is (but from what I've been seeing I'm assuming it's a person who believes in God and that I am) but a majority say they believe one thing and suddenly the whole group is labeled with the same thing. The only people I see hating on feathered dinosaurs is people who were too attached to the idea when they were growing up

[@jeffreygao3956]

9:25 Yeah, you'd have thought the invading Conquistadors would've recorded fighting funny looking feathered dragon riders as they conquered Peru. Spanish written sources during the conquest of the Americas were common and they'd surely boast of their conquest of the native peoples.

[@JoshexDirad]

actually that's factually known to be inaccurate, the Spanish conquistadors were basically sent with the king of spain's sword at their throat telling them "Gold Now or else!" when they failed to find much gold in south america and the islands they attempted to send other artifacts back to the king of Spain, these artifacts were seen as a delay tactic, the king wanted nothing to do with them and destroyed them and threatened the lives of his soldiers. Further more the role of the roman catholic church controlling the king of spain had contrary views to modern day creationists, the temples, buildings and history of the south american peoples was seen as paganism that needed to be wiped out. they destroyed and desecrated all ancient sites they could find or learn about "are you sure that's the last sun temple?! Tell me or we behead your wife! yes we are going to destroy them all!", keep in mind that the only official spanish record of this destruction was an order given by the king to destroy pagan temples and the accounts of the natives and the upturned stones! if the natives had had any dinosaurs they would have been called demons or devils and obliterated and not recorded.

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@JoshexDirad Not even keeping the hypothetical dinosaurs for slave labor? I know the Spanish did TRY to enslave the native peoples for a while.

[@lilactheleafyboi]

ARK

[@tylerstewart5829]

@Matthew Taylor I feel like dinosaur pelts would be a pretty good export. Not as good as gold obviously, but someone would've said something.

[@one-re2ub]

If Incas rode dinosaurs they would have won.

[@AStainOnAShirt]

That's not an extinct fish on that stone. That's clearly a basking shark.

[@Bananappleboy]

Its SCP 682.

[@genitalgrievous5293]

No, it's a barn owl

[@GrandCorsair]

That stone is clearly is a paid actor.

[@manospondylus]

9:10 The ancient alien cities are of course all under the ice of Antarctica. But beware of Shoggoths!

[@tylerw1774]

I found you again!

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

Disappointed Turtle it is Anubis that worries me.

[@darkmodern5333]

Global warming is a plot by cultists of Yith.

[@senecanero3874]

And they are cooexisting with High Tech Nazis in the holow earth, which entrance is in antarctica

[@centralgameing9641]

Then why are people against global warming

[@IGameChangerI]

You definitely aren't ruining my imagination or happiness with your videos. In fact, they inspire me to create more accurate art. The real world is often so much more interesting than popular culture makes it out to be.

[@MockingToaster]

I just wanna thank you for that Avatar sound clip. And I'm in the same boat, hard creationist as a kid, and now it really is freeing to look back on that time as a kid and see how much I've learned about our history and the planet's history, super glad I found this channel today!

[@JoshexDirad]

the video author miss-attributed the secret cave label, they were found in nazca burial pits not caves, they were not secret so much as not well known in location, today archaeologists are finding more of these burial pits and consequently more of these stones. might I add they radiometrically dated the stones engraved regions and found them to be 600 years old (1400 AD) this was 200 years before the colonists or even the spanish (Columbus) ever set off for america. the official way scientists view these stones is that they are authentic, but the drawings were based on fossils in the region that the natives saw exposed in a desert and thought they were a monster so they drew them. thats the official scientific thoughts on it. only the video author with his second hand knowledge is discrediting the authenticity of the stones.

[@boonxai]

@@JoshexDirad Dude... If I find a rock in my garden that's 600 years old and draw some shit on top of it, it doesn't mean that the drawing is 600 years old... Think about how stupid your comment sounds.

[@tyr7876]

@@JoshexDirad WHAT how did you think this would work.

[@genericusername4206]

JoshexDirad citation?

[@andreaslois3074]

Trey I actually found a cryptid dinosaur while searching on the internet that was called "partridge Creek beast" it's basically a 50 ft long ceratosaurus. Although some facts from the story prove that it's fake, the interesting part is that it was said to be covered in a fur like coat and stood horizontally, which wasnt known at the time (1903-1907) I want you to talk about it please, even though it is most likely fake

[@qubox692]

I read about that too

[@left4newbz]

[ Madman ] Ooo, sounds interesting. I'd like to see a video on cryptids with scientifically accurate descriptions.

[@Humberto4790]

That's interesting! Trey should debunk all of the currently living dinosaur cryptid myths out there.

[@andreaslois3074]

Humberto Martinez well technically his living fossil video already did that

[@andreaslois3074]

Lil' Pliosaur I think they measured 40 tonnes due to Marks and footprints, which is obviously fake

[@azumarill1309]

*insert overused owl or basking shark joke here*

[@SalSwan]

azumarill *insert laugh anagram here*

[@Boypomelo]

George Parker *insert insertion here*

[@papaidoceuteamamuito5975]

*insert smart reply here*

[@gelatinocyte6270]

[Insert basking owl here]

[@duelljanney5765]

Yes baphomet that's the awesomeness that are my fellow friends lol

[@vickytsurka8109]

I have no idea how Trey got the pronunciation "asucha" from the last name "uchaya"

[@MatiasLunaMusica]

I know, rigth?

[@peperando8733]

He also said "Museo de priedras Gradabas" instead of "Museo de piedras grabadas" as a spaniard that hurt my ears quite a lot

[@bigworm2129]

Egregiously bad pronunciation. So bad it needs its own video explaining it.

[@juanguerrero5626]

u chu ya

[@chancekahle2214]

There is nothing he can't mispronounce. It is a baffling fault for someone that loves dinosaurs to have.

[@uncivilizedelk]

Fantastic Avatar TLA reference; wish even more uses of it were squeezed in there, haha.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Uncivilized Elk XD thanks man

[@zangarkhan]

Made my day! IDK how my brain knew exactly where this came from seeing that it has been years since I have watched the show.

[@darlenecunningham1711]

SECRET TUNNEL SECRET TINNEL THROUGH THE MOUNTAIN SECRET SECRET SECRET SECRET TUNNEL!!

[@danmeyers708]

Sh it's a secret

[@peanutgallery123]

twooo lovers, forbidden from one anotherrr...

[@JoshexDirad]

the video author miss-attributed this label, they were found in nazca burial pits not caves, they were not secret so much as not well known in location, today archaeologists are finding more of these burial pits and consequently more of these stones. might I add the radiometrically dated the stones engraved regions and found them to be 600 years old (1400 AD) this was 200 years before the colonists or even the spanish (Columbus) ever set off for america. the official way scientists view these stones is that they are authentic, but the drawings were based on fossils in the region that the natives saw exposed in a desert and thought they were a monster so they drew them. thats the official scientific thoughts on it. only the video author with his second hand knowledge is discrediting the authenticity of the stones.

[@tyr7876]

@@JoshexDirad What did you expect to gain from this post.

[@kameron1290]

JoshexDirad In the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea began to collect and popularize the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung.

[@ТимотиКурошка]

20% Comments: Stuff 80% Comments: SECRET TUNNEL

[@Tareltonlives]

Well, except for the recent flood of creationists

[@dlxmarks]

Also back before basking sharks were replaced by barn owls as a throwaway reference.

[@ryaquaza3offical]

People riding pterosaurus!?, What's this? Archeology Evolved?

[@brianlevine871]

I would've guessed they were riding Aerodactyls.

[@andreaslois3074]

Ryaquaza 1 no it's ark survival evolved

[@Metroid51]

[ Madman ] now i want trey to compare ark's dinos to current standards

[@ryaquaza3offical]

[ Madman ] I know what it's called, I was just making a archeology joke ^^" I love that damn game, even with it's inaccurate creatures

[@andreaslois3074]

Ryaquaza 1 yeah it's quite fun Hard, but fun especially with friends

[@spaecii]

Is this scrapped concept art for an ARK expansion pack?

[@frodobaggins6684]

It probably got delayed again.

[@josgretf2800]

@@frodobaggins6684 Why did they cancel the expansion where you play as a dinosaur ?

[@frodobaggins6684]

@@josgretf2800 i believe that was only an April fool's joke. Lol. I was, however hyped for that...

[@josgretf2800]

@@frodobaggins6684 untapped market. Not enough games where you can play as animals.

[@frodobaggins6684]

@@josgretf2800 agreed. I remember wnen i played Turok evolution i played as a raptor in multiplayer. Lol.

[@Azuris190]

I can see those People luaghing and saying:" Pintè unos Dinosaurios en cima de las Piedras y los Gringos empezaron a pelearse jajaja".

[@dinoguy163]

Verda hermano

[@uubangishar]

You now you write that wrong, right? I think you wanted to say “Pinté unos dinosaurios en la cima de las piedras y los gringos empezaron a pelearse. Ok?

[@louisboscarino2651]

You should really be laughing at the lack of evidence for evolution.

[@Alice-gr1kb]

extra thicc and spicy memez SKSKSKSKSK

[@FumanyuX]

@@uubangishar *encima

[@bravocado04]

oh man if I had a time machine I would be the biggest troll, I would put rocks in caves with accurate dinosaurs carved in, and I would make cave drawings of them to

[@_DMNO_]

you are the one who started this all aren't you?

[@finchatforharambe905]

In the far off future,he probably did...

[@bentramer682]

This has most likely already happened had someone thought about it

[@jayha242]

I heard "Secret tunnel" so I hit like

[@Hunter-we8ve]

jayha242 Same

[@JoshexDirad]

the video author miss-attributed this label, they were found in nazca burial pits not caves, they were not secret so much as not well known in location, today archaeologists are finding more of these burial pits and consequently more of these stones. might I add they radiometrically dated the stones engraved regions and found them to be 600 years old (1400 AD) this was 200 years before the colonists or even the spanish (Columbus) ever set off for america. the official way scientists view these stones is that they are authentic, but the drawings were based on fossils in the region that the natives saw exposed in a desert and thought they were a monster so they drew them. thats the official scientific thoughts on it. only the video author with his second hand knowledge is discrediting the authenticity of the stones.

[@tyr7876]

@@JoshexDirad nope he got it wright, you got it wrong.

[@kameron1290]

JoshexDirad In the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea began to collect and popularize the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung.

[@fierceeagle3458]

My theory: The Icans just really liked playing Ark

[@baldeaglesarentbald1921]

No, they had basking sharks and barn owls as pets, that's why they painted dinosaur Duh

[@MidnightDarkness666]

Everytime I see people try to say or piont out evidence that we lived side by side with dinos, I'm just think "You so know ARK is a video game right?" Just tamed a gorgoues red and pink Basilosaurus BTW and before that I got a freaking pink with green stripes Meg

[@GreenGleem]

Now I'm really sad that none of the carvings were of badger moles.

[@simonk.4338]

Well...you dont need to be a scientist to realize that these stones are fake.

[@znightowlz6585]

Ratko Mladic but they're not

[@JoshexDirad]

the video author miss-attributed the "secret cave" label, they were found in nazca burial pits not caves, they were not secret so much as not well known in location, today archaeologists are finding more of these burial pits and consequently more of these stones. Might I add they radiometrically dated the stones engraved regions and found them to be 600 years old (1400 AD) this was 200 years before the colonists or even the spanish (Columbus) ever set off for america. the official way scientists view these stones is that they are authentic, but the drawings were based on fossils in the region that the natives saw exposed in a desert and thought they were a monster so they drew them. thats the official scientific thoughts on it. only the video author with his second hand knowledge is discrediting the authenticity of the stones.

[@davidkoshar2607]

JoshexDirad if what you’re saying is true then they should depict South American animals, all of the dinosaurs depicted look nothing like the actual fossils and are from North American formations, there are no triceratops, stegosaurs, or tyrannosaurs in South America.

[@tyr7876]

@@JoshexDirad You fail to realize how wrong you are.

[@kameron1290]

JoshexDirad In the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea began to collect and popularize the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung.

[@duckietheduck]

There's an episode of Weird or What on these stones where an artist perfectly recreates one of these stones with very basic tools and techniques to make them look worn and aged. They're unbelievably easy to fake.

[@ravenstorme3558]

I have never clicked on a video so fast. You're an extremely good content creator.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Thank you :)

[@ravenstorme3558]

NotAkira I chose Trey over continuing my SciShow binge.

[@NiraSader]

NotAkira you have good taste my dude

[@ember6677]

I agree.

[@dennisanswermealsoihaveagr2998]

Hey guys it scares zero

[@brannythefrenchie8847]

Had the stones not been used for fraudulent purposes, I would've loved to purchased one of them simply because the art is well made.

[@lakrids-pibe]

The artistic value isn't bad. I would love to have a poster in that style.

[@ferguson704able]

Knowing thet you were once a creationist, how did you end up switching over to believing in evolution? What caused the change?

[@summbuddie9120]

Alexander Ferguson facts

[@TREYtheExplainer]

I had trouble reconciling my religion and the science. It was a slow progression, due to the evidence, I started to disbelieve more and more about my religion, until one day I just gave up on it all together. I simply couldn't believe the things I used to believe. I began looking solely at the evidence and arriving at a conclusion based on reality not preconceptions and it was the best decision I've ever made.

[@006blank]

I knew a guy in high school who was super christian but made a big deal to everyone that evolution was just the process god used to create everything. He said the "seven days" were metaphorical. I've always wondered why more people didn't think that way, considering how much creationists lose out on this whole debate

[@aarongronsman2170]

The thing that most people don't seem to understand is that if you read scripture from the original languages, instead of the English translations, you get a completely different picture, one that makes scriptural reconciliation with the fossil record not only theoretically possible, but even relatively simple. In fact, I have spent the past 9 1/2 years reconciling scripture and the fossil record.

[@shirel.a8421]

dinobot I like that guy

[@yourmomasaurus]

As I said before, I'm a Christian, yet I believe the new theories of prehistoric life. Such as feathered and birdlike dinosaurs, furlike coverings on pterosaurs, etc. I know I'll sound so basic and common, but, if you can or want to, could you please do a Paleo Profile on Austroraptor or Albertosaurus? They are my favorite dinosaurs. Also, how do I send Paleoart?

[@applez4life200]

@@twocents4912 HAHAHAHA

[@somniumisdreaming]

@@twocents4912 take your meds fella

[@ILikeToLaughAtYou]

Two Cents * Q. What guy has time to carve hundreds of thousands of stones and place them into a cave as a hoax? A. A guy who’s lazy as hell and decides to scam people with fake artifacts, just so he doesn’t have to engage in actual manual labor. Plus, there’s no proof any cave actually exists, so that also says he never HAD to bring the stones to the cave because there WAS NO CAVE! Q. What would they get from the hoax? A. Figure it out! He was in a show, meaning he was paid. He sold countless stones to tourists as the real thing, meaning he was paid. He likely co-opened the museum with the doctor guy, meaning he was paid. HE WAS PAID FOR THE HOAX! I’m a devoted catholic, but you can’t let your beliefs get in the way of scientific, legal, and overall reasonable facts with reasonable motives.

[@ILikeToLaughAtYou]

Two Cents * how about this, your comment is a lie. What guy has the time to make a 14 minute and 33 second video highly researched and cited, just to try to discredit a supposedly factual argument? Why would he shed light on a conclusion apparently based on fact and try to refute it, instead of just not shedding any light on it at all? What would he get from trying to cover up what you claim is the truth? Truth is, you’re a sheep, and can’t realize how blinded you actually are. I hope you wake up soon, because some things don’t have a hidden meaning or agenda, surprisingly.

[@telvanni3651]

@@twocents4912 What would he gain????? Moneyyyyyyy stooped.

[@DrLongWang]

I like how creationists will say the dinosaur stones are good evidence but never seem to bring up the alien stones that are equally valid.

[@thelimeduck2.097]

All hail the explainer

[@An_excellent_YouTube_account]

The Lime duck 2.0 all hail

[@thelimeduck2.097]

Whoops misspelled

[@ultrasour7007]

Deutschland, deutschland

[@NiraSader]

ÜBER ALLES

[@hehhehehohohoe8807]

WHY DID YOU DO THIS?! Now it will hail explainers from the sky and we will bath in their blood as they hit the ground with deadly velocity!

[@andrewc3336]

How is everyone so dumb? The stones are clearly barn owls feasting on decomposing basking sharks. Just look at them with that in mine, and it will be obvious!

[@shortfuse875]

Andrew Corbett Woah youre right

[@marrygbg]

I used to have a phase when I was 9 where I was highly interested in Dinos, evolution and that kind of stuff. I'm now 13 and back in that phase. I am even considering becoming a biologist or zoologist one day

[@genericusername4206]

maria georgieva you can try but it is unlikely sorry

[@evansims2816]

@@genericusername4206 its not unlikely, you can become an educator or professor

[@lucasoheyze4597]

McDonald's will be waiting to hire you

[@JoeOvercoat]

If you go into the sciences then you find that people will treat you like crap, but they will keep you around because they need you. It’s not a bad gig if you have a thick skin.

[@mysterioso2006]

It's honestly a shame if you ask me. The art style of some of the better stones is incredibly charming, and I can see how hapless tourists would've been drawn to them. If they'd been presented as artistic studies or something similar I'd think they were incredibly cool.

[@tupandactylushours6928]

one doesn't simply ignore a notification of a new trey video

[@fioqw4596]

Horrible demon thing you are absolutely right.

[@adryelyel1794]

hahaha FUNI STALE MEME.

[@Ilovemydogmorethanlife]

I love how the carnotaurus is the THICKEST of thick boy dinos

[@j.a.1117]

I don't know why but I just laugh every time trey says that people actually think this is an authentic thing even tho it's a hoax

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

Me too. Then I remember that those people actually exist, some of which in very influential positions. And the laughter turns into sobbing...

[@mymovies9172]

Yes, finally! Love your video Trey!

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Thanks man!

[@sirius5192]

you're a lucky man

[@TheBigC942]

Trey great video, also where do you get that neat artwork from? (the ones made by matt) I think the T.rex depicted looks very accurate.

[@smallwitchy]

You mean, "I love your video, Trey!'

[@BeyondEcstasy]

Also, the engravings are obviously made with power tools.

[@tyr7876]

@@JoshexDirad fuck off dude. you posted this on every comment.

[@kameron1290]

JoshexDirad In the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea began to collect and popularize the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung.

[@kameron1290]

web.archive.org/web/20080827173630/forteantimes.com/features/articles/259/jurassic_library_the_ica_stones.html he straight up admitted that it was cheaper and easier to get money this way rather than farming.

[@warpnin3]

not proven

[@naturegnatiggy]

**Edit** I took out the joke about notifications because I thought it was dumb. Hi Trey, I have a video idea. If you plan to continue your globster series, you should wrap it up with a video titled along the lines of "How plausible are sea monsters?". In it, you discuss the likelihood of undiscovered large marine animals actually existing in the ocean, their biology and what they mean for the environment.

[@ruirui7764]

great idea ol'chap

[@NEET_201]

Fred the Internet-Using Peacock Mantis Shrimp NOTIFICATION SQUAD .......fight me

[@naturegnatiggy]

YA BOI Okay *fights you*

[@ruirui7764]

Fred the Internet-Using Peacock Mantis Shrimp WORLD STAR WORLD STAR!!!!

[@ruirui7764]

Fred the Internet-Using Peacock Mantis Shrimp WORLD STAR WORLD STAR!!!!

[@poweralth5496]

I took a shower and got out, saw this. I'm even wetter now

[@samantha.redacted]

if he didn't pretend they were ancient his work could have probably gotten into actual museums, for art

[@purplerathalos7226]

Brilliant video Trey. I especially loved how you shattered the argument by pointing out that native extinct fauna of South America were absent in the stone depictions.

[@someguy4405]

Those images of fucking dinosaurs eating fruit and vegetables in the garden of Eden alongside Adam and Eve will never get old.

[@wcdeich4]

Thank you. Interesting. I too used to be a Young Earth Creationist. I had thought that maybe the Inca had uncovered fossils before their civilization was destroyed by the conquistadors, and so knew about dinosaurs the same way we do. But, if those dinosaur species were never in South America, & the guy admitted to carving them himself, then this myth is totally & absolutely busted.

[@Panemii]

I really wish your videos are also shown on T.V For everyone to learn.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

^^ thanks man

[@liammartin2089]

Wait. Trey used to be a creationist? That's...actually one of the most amazing things mentioned on this channel

[@l-l]

Agh the opening statement of your video is exactly where I’m at now. Just knowing you’ve had a similar past and this where you’re at now is empowering and motivating.

[@vikenemma2953]

I thought the supposed trex looked like someone had asked a lizard to stand up on its hindlegs and do its best godzilla interpretation. It didn't look like a trex to me.

[@captstoner1577]

Loved that you looked up what currency they used mid video, made my day

[@TREYtheExplainer]

XD

[@Tymbus]

A BBC documentary for their Horizon series debunked these stones in the 70s. They found villagers carving such scenes for tourists

[@Jay-ji6ng]

Ah, I remember my days as a creationist. I believed complete and utter nonsense in fear that I would otherwise go to hell, haha. I'm so glad I matured and learned to think logically.

[@etherallullaby5482]

I know right? I'm so glad those days are behind me.

[@stupidluvdisc4019]

Yep. I remember believing there was a big boat on Mount Ararat and the Grand Canyon forming after a year long flood. It was so cringe worthy.

[@yaboioof3229]

You went from believing in a man in the sky to believing that all of a suddenly nothing just became everything. I wouldn't claim you've ever really been really mature or a logical thinker.

[@adamsmith1323]

Believing in god or the afterlife does not require believing in creationism. God and heaven can still be real even if creationism is a fraud on earth.

[@dang2979]

as an agnostic, i think its unfair to label christians as immature as a whole. both my parents are christian and they are rather logical ppl in rl. even tho i disagree w their ideology on life and some aspects of the bible, ik they have their own reasons to believe what they want to believe.

[@alexc8114]

Very nice that whoever carved these stones met all the dinosaurs that are popular nowadays, and depicted them as fitting late 20th century ideas of how they should look.

[@kameron1290]

Ah and they made a good fortune as the forger admitted that making and selling them are easier than farming his land. Of course the reason they admitted that is that Peruvian law banned selling of archeological discoveries.

[@tannermccollum7060]

Nice touch adding a Last airbender reference when mentioning the "secret tunnel".

[@joearnold6881]

It’s sad and pathetic the guy felt the need to be a fraud. He had real talent as an artist, with a unique style. He could have just done that

[@munstrumridcully]

But given his circumstances, he knew he could make way more money selling his frauds to eager gringos than by just being an artist. Starving artists are the default state, lol.

[@x.r.d7744]

Yes all of them are fake the farmer made +50,000 of them. Sarcasim*

[@munstrumridcully]

@@x.r.d7744 regardless of how many he made, they are fake and made with modern machine tooling. Having made a lot doesn't in any way make them less fake.

[@joearnold6881]

@@x.r.d7744 what’s your source for that number? and you just believe this one farmer *found* fifty thousand rocks with drawing made by modern tools depicting a Flintstones version of what ancient animals looked like? Weird that ancient people who supposedly lived with dinosaurs every day didn’t know what they looked like, and drew them the way, say, an uneducated farmer from decades ago might draw a dinosaur… Sake of argument, let’s say fifty thousand exist. Which is more likely: One guy found 50,000 stones in such perfect, impossible condition that they look freshly made with modern tools, and that ancients depicted every species in exactly the wrong way random people thought dinos looked fifty years ago, and this one piece of very dubious evidence invalidates all of human knowledge and the laws of nature OR Gullible people pay well for these stones, so the locals started making lots to sell, same as any other trinket? How many “crystal skulls” can you buy in markets for tourists as if they were authentic, even though “crystal skulls” were the invention of a white con artist in the modern age. They didn’t exist in ancient times.

[@johnnywoodson4231]

@@x.r.d7744 Cope

[@angelicwarrior118]

Your next video should be Top 30 favorite Prehistoric Animals.

[@HoopsAndDinoMan]

That would be awesome! (perhaps also a top favorite dinosaurs, with modern birds on the table)

[@eriosyce688]

Awesome video Trey! I wasn't expecting to learn something and I learned something very interesting. Great work mate. I'm impressed!

[@CyberKnightMiky]

Great video as always, Trey. And thumbs up to the secret tunnel song on Avatar :)

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Thanks man! and XD

[@Zinervawyrm]

They might not be accurate, or real but I do like the artistic simplicity and stylization to make them look ancient. I would consider the museum to be an art gallery worth visiting.

[@wehafse]

5:43 thats a pickle-saurus

[@chesteramstrong2592]

Funniest shit I've ever seen

[@bearlyrandom4462]

It is so obvious how did we not see it. An ancient Peruvian civilization invented a time machine, traveled to the future saw the depictions of dinosaurs at the time, then went back to the time period they came from and drew them on rocks and hid them in a cave just to fuck with us.

[@TerribleTonyShow]

I like how cute some of the animals look on the designs

[@shiba2ndworlder]

Noooo! You'll never catch me! I have collected all of the *CONSPIRACY STONES!*.

[@anitabath8315]

I’m Catholic, but the idea of young earth creationism isn’t that solid. Why would God experience time the same way we as humans do? He’s literally almost incomprehensible.

[@icantthinkofagoodusername5564]

Yeah God is almost incomprehensible thats why theres almost no evidence of him. What God meant by 6 days creating the universe is billions of years to us humans and those who reside in the universe.

[@ratatouilledrinksclorax9897]

Yeah who would even think that god can even think the same Im not as religious as i used to be but tbh if god does exist and i wouldnt be surprised if it did then it would be some kind of incomprehensible force that does things with or without reason and we would never understand

[@kylepeyer9775]

Barn Owls

[@ilicgustav9192]

Kyle Peyer Nah , surely it was a Basking Shark

[@purpleYamask]

It's like Dude just admit you carved them and make money selling them as art, they're pretty impressive-

[@jackstraw4222]

thats a very western take on things ....why should they ruin the role they are on....

[@jeffdabird4761]

Hello Trey just want to say keep up the good work and keep educating people on evolution and biology

[@captainclipy6236]

JeffDABird but evolution is just a theory, with little evidence backing it up.

[@jokuvaan5175]

CaptainClipy. Creationism is a story with only evidence being a 2000 year old inconsistent story book. Evolution is a scientifically proven fact that is consistent with archeological findings and can explain for example the large number of different dog breeds.

[@theargonianmercenary184]

CaptainClipy creationism is hurting Christ and his teachings so I wouldn’t support it for the sake of god. “Theory” in science means there’s evidence backing it up, ranging from fossils to observable changes between animals between the generations. “Hypothesis” is the word you’re looking for to say evolution is unproven, but it has significant evidence backing it while there is no proof the world is 10,000 years old.

[@CrazyPangolinLady]

Any story where a person’s first instinct on finding something like this is to sell it to tourists, it’s suspicious. It seems like it would be much more profitable to buy the land, and rent it out to scientists.

[@JoshexDirad]

they were found in nazca burial pits not caves, they were not secret so much as not well known in location, today archaeologists are finding more of these burial pits and consequently more of these stones. might I add the radiometrically dated the stones engraved regions and found them to be 600 years old (1400 AD) this was 200 years before the colonists or even the spanish (Columbus) ever set off for america. the official way scientists view these stones is that they are authentic, but the drawings were based on fossils in the region that the natives saw exposed in a desert and thought they were a monster so they drew them. thats the official scientific thoughts on it. only the video author with his second hand knowledge is discrediting the authenticity of the stones.

[@tyr7876]

@@JoshexDirad GO.

[@kameron1290]

JoshexDirad In the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea began to collect and popularize the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung.

[@snapslingpeavine1371]

How could you go from being a creationist to such a knowledgeable, general science-type person? It seems like such a huge leap from one belief system to an entirely different one. With how simple and obviously unrealistic one belief is, to another completely different well thought out one considering all the different factors at play is just so intriguing to me.

[@JoeOvercoat]

One can be both, just don’t get hung up on the details. After all, science utterly lacks an explanation for the Big Bang. Open your mind, and realize no man of science would ever state that there is no God.

[@timothymclean]

Random aside-is anyone else shocked by just how successful trepanation was? I mean, you're basically taking a medical hammer-and-chisel to someone's skull and expecting that to make them feel better. _And it worked!_

[@vaiyt]

Well, we don't know if the surgeries made people feel better. The success rate is of survival after the surgery.

[@millantronni3242]

One complicating factor is that there are actual authentic inca stones, taken form graves, but they only have geometric pattern on them and no "images". So when discussion inca stones these should be separated form those in the video.

[@warpnin3]

Smart move! Hide the evidence that doesn't fit your beliefs.

[@millantronni3242]

@@warpnin3 hide? Please elaborate what you mean ?

[@bipbiplechuga2286]

I love how these “ancient depictions of dinosaurs” don’t even bother to use dinosaurs that are ACTUALLY from their respective regions.

[@kameron1290]

It was as if that the dinosaurs were picked from the ones that are famous culturally.

[@albatross4920]

2:04 He went full Stanford Pines, .... Never go full Stanford

[@3b106]

1:09 Name: Trey the Explainer Mission: to mispronounce every foreign name in existence

[@DeidaraAmped]

Love your "OOPArts" episodes, like this one, the one about the Paluxy tracks and the "ancient stegosaur"! Would love to see more videos on similar topics!

[@ilikepie2eat3]

Are these stones real? Or just a legend? Trey: Oh they're a real legend!

[@akshitpalamthody3343]

woah avatar referrence took me *a year* to get it

[@williamvaux7500]

Just watching this while imagining trey sitting there in his knee high socks, skirt, and crop top while he's talking makes me so illogically happy

[@enderz1341]

I want an Ica Stone merely for the cool looking artwork.

[@MAFDOMiNUS]

I came here faster than when my dad left me.

[@anthraxmacabre5200]

MλFDOMiNUS Jesus Christ... that’s messed up...

[@notablegoat]

MλFDOMiNUS You came here when your dad left you?

[@forodinssake9570]

i know that feel bruh

[@aden1466]

that's hilarious!

[@svenservette4197]

It took me years to leave you.

[@nuniyoa]

trey i have been bingewatching avatar: the last airbender for the past 2 days and now you make a new video with avatar references this must be destiny

[@djay6651]

I went through Army training with Cabrera's grandson in 2009. He said that even at that time, people in the area if the Museum still believed the stones were authentic.

[@mickginny6075]

Those stones do look kind of cool

[@Meadowy]

I gotta admit, they are really well made

[@masotan152]

I would like to display it in my room

[@Algeriawindows69]

They are good for display

[@SitKid721]

Obviously the “stone” was an Owl 🦉

[@greyideasthetheliopurodon4640]

dried and fossilized basking owl pelt

[@sarawilliamson5420]

They are pretty cool looking, I'd love to have one as more of a "look at this awesome rock I bought from a local artist on my trip" discovery.

[@farzanafizul6215]

Hey Trey! I have few questions! If hypothetically primates (and by extension human) never existed, would another animal evolve into a "human-like" state? And which animal is more likely to evolve into something "human?" And what would they look like? Can a different animal fit a human's role? I really want to see your opinions about this.

[@TREYtheExplainer]

It's possible, if the environmental conditions favored human level intelligence and culture then it would be possible for another organism population to fill our role. Really any animal is capable of reach our level of intellect with enough time. Dolphins or Elephants or Corvids or Parrots are all very intelligent and some have traits that show the beginnings of culture. I guess the issue is that we will never know what the possibilities are if primates never existed. Maybe in a different world, underwater cities filled with intelligent dolphins flourish or sophisticated crow-people build great civilizations.

[@farzanafizul6215]

Okay, thanks for answering my questions!

[@manospondylus]

TREY the Explainer Underwater civilizations would never get as advanced as us, since they can't make fire and therefore no technology more sophisticated than stone-tools.

[@percafluviatillis4901]

don't forget cuttlefish! their very smart.

[@farzanafizul6215]

And have amazing camouflage! NINJA CUTTLEFISH!

[@INTOTH3LIGHT]

love that Airbender drop, great video

[@TREYtheExplainer]

Thanks man!

[@MartinX1701]

giganotosauras had a narrow snout like allosauras

[@ninefoldrin5507]

As someone who grew up with Kent Hovind videos, it really means so much to hear someone so thoroughly investigate these kinds of things. I figured out it was all bs a while ago, but it means so much to understand why it's all bs. Thanks so much for these videos!

[@gabrielgiorgio-dormon8427]

+TREY_the_Explainer I'm afraid you are mistaken, it is not the men in the video that carved the stones! It was Owl man, he carved them with his beak and some bones from a decomposing basking shark! :) Great video Trey, you really raise the bar and make people think... Can't wait for the next video, keep up the great work! 👍

[@JoshexDirad]

they were found in nazca burial pits not caves, they were not secret so much as not well known in location, today archaeologists are finding more of these burial pits and consequently more of these stones. might I add the radiometrically dated the stones engraved regions and found them to be 600 years old (1400 AD) this was 200 years before the colonists or even the spanish (Columbus) ever set off for america. the official way scientists view these stones is that they are authentic, but the drawings were based on fossils in the region that the natives saw exposed in a desert and thought they were a monster so they drew them. thats the official scientific thoughts on it. only the video author with his second hand knowledge is discrediting the authenticity of the stones.

[@tyr7876]

@@JoshexDirad wow still going down I find you.

[@tyr7876]

@Drinking Water this guy copy pasted this in every comment on the video lol. I responded twice already and just kept commenting every time I saw this comment.