A Somewhat "Deep Dive" into Star Stable's Recent Controversy

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This video was intended to educate and show both sides of a highly popular argument in the Star Stable community. Do not target or attack ANYONE in this video. All they are guilty of is being honest of their feelings, and that is not a crime. I do not want to classify this as a documentary, video essay or even a deep dive because honestly, this was my first time doing a video like this and it was mid at best LOL. Please give me the benefit of the doubt here, I did the best research to my ability while using outside knowledge of these current events. I am open to constructive criticism & am of course willing to listen to anything I may have gotten incorrect soI can fix it. I did my best to double check everything & even had a few people watch the video before it was uploaded, I was given the okay that everything seemed to make sense. Thank you, truly if you sat through this. There’s 2 sides to every argument, and I wanted the community to understand both. It provided me with prospective I didn’t even think of.
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[@AmeliaDreambell]

READ ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE Eleanor Diamondforest kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4TTp6ScqJmkrNksi=IhewajtX0ZnkKJeE Daniella Moonstar www.youtube.com/@DaniellaMoonstar Quibbi www.youtube.com/@QuibbiPineeagle_ Georgia Bluefield (Geo) instagram.com/georgiabluefield/ Beec1oud (Cloud) instagram.com/beec1oud/ Wade (My boyfriend) www.youtube.com/@BugeBusV1 Hunter Moonhearth kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqDJlmeDjLx7i5osi=B4MLF9HmItfC5eoU Julie Macfoot (Chan) www.youtube.com/@JulieMacfoot SSOSWORST instagram.com/ssosworst/ Cole (Boycott creator) instagram.com/g.dragoning/ Brooke Seagirl (seagxri) instagram.com/seagxri/ Whimsy instagram.com/baileyatwater/ Keira instagram.com/keira_puppybell_sso/ If your screenshots were shown in this video and you would like to be credited, please reach out to me here instagram.com/ameliadreambell/ This video was intended to educate and show both sides of a highly popular argument in the Star Stable community. Do not target or attack ANYONE in this video. All they are guilty of is being honest of their feelings, and that is not a crime. I do not want to classify this as a documentary, video essay or even a deep dive because honestly, this was my first time doing a video like this and it was mid at best LOL. Please give me the benefit of the doubt here, I did the best research to my ability while using outside knowledge of these current events. I am open to constructive criticism & am of course willing to listen to anything I may have gotten incorrect soI can fix it. I did my best to double check everything & even had a few people watch the video before it was uploaded, I was given the okay that everything seemed to make sense. Thank you, truly if you sat through this. There’s 2 sides to every argument, and I wanted the community to understand both. It provided me with prospective I didn’t even think of.

[@orcashadow8989]

Ultimately, I feel bad for the devs more than anyone else. They're stuck in the middle and are getting shit on by both sides (the higher ups making bad business decisions, and us, the players/community.) They did a lot of hard work this year. Character update, big story update (Devil's gap? Awesome), Hollow Woods, Western camp... Honestly, this was the most enjoyable year I've spent on SSO. I know this doesn't really have anything to do with A/B testing (and how messed up it was at worst, questionable at best,) I just feel bad for all the people stuck in the middle who just want to make players happy. They are always who I have in mind when I see all the uproar in the community and it makes me sad.

[@AmeliaDreambell]

I agree with this wholeheartedly

[@floortje_v2095]

when i see sso i see the devs apart from the people that make the decision. i feel sorry for the devs and all the people that know best about the game but yeah i'll take shit on the one's that are moneygreedy any day any time :)

[@Messy320]

I agree with you as well! I was just thinking about this the other day. A lot of players complain about this game but completely forget how much hard work is put into it. Don’t get me wrong, I see the flaws the company has but the game itself isn’t horrible. I personally love the new look of the game, the graphics go well with theme and are overall beautiful. The only thing I personally had an issue with is the lore of the updated characters. I was a little disappointed with the updated dark riders. But it’s something I can get around, I mean people do change.

[@gracekiepke1340]

i know i feel so bad too😭 whenever i ask them for something they sound so done😂😂

[@Agererainbowstarsandponies]

I wish they didn't touch the moorland soundtrack, they completely changed it and now it feels like another Starshine Ranch

[@r_u_s_t_y__h_o_r_s_e_s-hg4fe]

I can’t believe we got a bum-scratching “betty the yeti” instead of 300 SC. Whoever did the yeti’s idle animations is crazy and needs help. I want to cry.

[@r_u_s_t_y__h_o_r_s_e_s-hg4fe]

(I know we did get sc, but it wasn’t their intention at all lol)

[@DeathbyPixels]

I don't go here but I almost wonder if they took inspiration from world of warcraft for the animations, because the yeti models in that game ALSO have an ass-scratching idle lmao

[@mxria1447]

i didnt know you could get 300 sc...was through a code? or was it automatically sent to you on mail

[@r_u_s_t_y__h_o_r_s_e_s-hg4fe]

@@mxria1447 it was a code back in December but it’s expired now

[@miawalthour8837]

@@DeathbyPixelsyou are so right wth 😭😭 i didn’t even make that correlation

[@elizzabeth255]

Oh boy, I truly did not expect this amount of drama around the holidays this year 😅 such an emotional rollercoaster, expecting star coins, not getting them, and then finally getting them anyway 🤯 Thank you for the video, you have such a soothing voice and you recap this topic so well 🙏🏻

[@crowngamer901]

20:00 - 21:03 I’m still watching the video as of writing this but this part right here is so true. I live in an area where I can’t afford a horse (and knowing me I’d want two so they wouldn’t get lonely). I haven’t ridden horses since around 2013. SSO is the only way I can do that with how my life currently is. I do get upset when something like this whole thing happens because it makes me worry about my pixel horses. I’m attached to them. I love them. They’re the only way I get to experience the horse riding lessons of my youth again.

[@30ratsstackedinatrenchcoat91]

Same!

[@DaniellaMoonstar]

Well done mellee👏🏽This whole uproar was one of the weirdest I've seen in a while which makes me curious how it'll be going forward next year. As of rn it's the question of if SSO will be making similar bad decisions again next year, or will they own up to what's happened. Anyways this was beautiful and 10000/10 from me💗

[@AmeliaDreambell]

mwah kisses

[@BecksCreations]

Your part in the video had me laughing! XD

[@DaniellaMoonstar]

@@BecksCreations ty💗💀

[@EvelynOpalriver]

This is probably the most well put together dive into the recent happenings in the community. Thank you so much for putting in time and effort into creating this video essay on everything, as well looking for different opinions and sharing them with us. Persoanlly- I wasn't aware of the deeper ends on everything going on, but this really helped me get a stronger grasp on the depth of the situation and it explained everything wonderfully.

[@crowngamer901]

Okay, so now having finished the video, I just want to say this was extremely well put together (and I do like how it was dramatized, I found it really kept my attention on every word that was said). I will admire that I’m not the most informed person in the SSO community and this completely filled me in on everything on both sides (whereas before I just had a big chunk of info from the boycotting side and a little bitty crumb of info from the defending side). I think I could’ve worded my statement in the server a little bit better but hindsight is 20/20 and overall I still agree with the uproar while thinking the yeti is a unique pet. If you had told me this was NOT your first deep dive video, I would’ve believed you because this was so well put together and informative 👏

[@ThirrinDiamond]

Love your two part comment energy. I do that too 🤝

[@crowngamer901]

@@ThirrinDiamond tysm! I don’t like editing my comments too often so I do two parts instead 🤝

[@cloud_..]

still watching, well listening but you did so well on this video! the editing and everything is literally top notch, please make more of these, i love listening to them

[@AmeliaDreambell]

🥹🫶🏼🤍

[@Frog_Pond4]

I miss old sso giving us like 5 star coin codes each year now only 1 like …

[@Tiredanbored]

well one thing united sso players throughout this : our hate of betty the yeti

[@92lilah]

definetely think this deserves way more views, loved the editing, amount of research and the way you talked about everything, i also watch a lot of video essays so i appreciate the effort. i've been disappointed with star stable's decisions for some years but this might be it for me, just doesn't feel like the same game or company anymore.

[@hannah_and_horses]

Thank you for letting me be a part of this video absolutely amazing Love you Mellee

[@skybluepainter]

Love your drama editing. Very nice! But on the sc issue: they deff gave them as damage control as when they responded to the first inquiry about getting them, they could have said we will be getting them just not in the usual way. Instead they made it sound like we weren't getting them at all. After several years of the same, of course players will expect the same. That's like if they suddenly stopped giving themed outfits for birthdays. Its expected and if they know they are making a major change, they need to be straight up with it and broadcast it. I love all your points you covered and stand on your opinion side as an og player myself. SSO is trying but i feel like they've been in business too long to still be making such ridiculous mistakes/decisions.

[@MidnightMeadowsEquestrian]

Looking back on this a year later is crazy! Like they gave probably about 500 SC just in codes

[@Bluecatsea]

Heres another example that I would like to compare what's going down in sso to. Wizard101, a game that has been around for just as long as sso. A childhood game that i grew up with and still to this day play. Kingsisle ran the game for almost 16 years. They were also a little greedy, often taking away crown codes and coming out with more bundles rather then content. The game went stale until it was bought by another company that had game development experience. After that, the games story got updated, as well as the prices being very reasonable. People who had membership were now getting benefits and more recognition for supporting the game. That's what i feel like sso needs. It needs to be in the hands of people who know how go run a game, who know how to connect with their audiences and how recognize its supporters.

[@felsiccanis]

Agreed!! Wizard101 is a great example

[@ali.y11]

Thank you for taking the time (especially around the holidays) to make this video. Your open mindedness is something to be applauded. I've been playing sso for almost ten years now and I've seen a lot of progressions over the years, some good and some bad. I believe your video was extremely fair and gave me some new perspectives for both sides. Your maturity and kindness speaks for itself. So again, thank you!

[@AnziaSouthlord]

I don't really understand their way of a/b testing... what are they actually testing? To see if more people buy SR if the only option in front of them is cheaper? Wouldn't it have been a better test if they showed both offers to everyone? To see if people decide to buy the cheaper one even tho they don't get weekly SC or if they still would buy the more expensive one so that they get the weekly SC. I just don't understand their thinking.

[@arabellaovari1715]

I feel like the expectatitons are also coming from getting older and feeling we need to grab onto something. I'll explain. We got SC for over 10 years. When the players were around 8-12 years. But those players including me grew up and it was/is a HUGE part of our lives. And it's really hard to let the game go, because it's changing so much from what we lived loved and it's not there anythere. I feel like this SC was the one and only thing the older players including me grabbed onto, as a way of still searching for the game we started to play, the game we missed. About he a/b testing. Kind of around 10 years ago they already had this option, where the cheaper didn't get an allowance. Did people really forgot about it? But it was definietly wrong of SSO for promising they both get SC while the other actually doesn't. That picture was wrong

[@Neptune_EQ]

The disdain in your voice talking about the Yeti lmfao, I love it. This video is so well done! Thank you for speaking on the matter! I think you handled it respectfully but honestly. I really hope SSO can... well... get their shit together? i don't know. But anyway, beautiful job, I hope you have a great new year!

[@huntermoonhearth]

I saw this yesterday but due to my cold I was sleeping most of the day away so I opted to wait to watch it later, here I am now! What an amazing video, a lot of nice points from both ends and I am really glad you played devils advocate so we could see both ends tysm. I was looking away when my vid popped up so I got startled when I heard my gremlin sick voice and poof there I was xD

[@Randomcrap-zx5ks]

I just wish that they would let non-star Riders pick out a horse of their choosing without any money

[@AmeliaDreambell]

I’m not sure how that would work though lol

[@eli_1607]

why should they though? we pay for horses, so should you

[@Randomcrap-zx5ks]

@@eli_1607 i Pay for mine not everyone can

[@Randomcrap-zx5ks]

@@bellee15 real I got lucky my friend gave me her account because she had 2 I had everything already on there im so thankful for her

[@bonehead2641]

It would be cool if that's how the starter horses worked. Like you picked a breed and color and thats your starter. Maybe from select breeds so people still had to spend money on special horses.

[@siennaorangewinsso]

Honestly was not expecting this and some of this drama happening with changes in sso makes me sad since sso is my childhood game and i put so much time and love into playing it. Great video as always!

[@yanfeikozume]

i don’t even play star stable. i put this video on to fall asleep, needless to say, i had the best sleep i think i’ve ever had. i love your voice ❤

[@tikooooooooo]

This was said wonderfully. The fact that u put in both sides of the story is amazing. And I completely agree with what you and other creators said. It is STILL a fact that sso made some downright stupid decisions, but the playerbase shouldn't be so, how to put it, expectant i guess. However, this game is literally so many people's childhood, so to see it go downhill is somewhat sad. Nevertheless, new year, fresh start, so we can only see what star stable has planned for next year. Once again, well done Mellee! PS: I'm so sorry if this is random, but i'm trying to enter your other discord server (not the boarders one), but I can't find it on ur instagram. If someone could help me find it that would be awesome. Happy new year everyone

[@taxidermiedlamb]

Amazing video like always! Very interesting to see both sides of this

[@Artist_Keena]

To those complaining about getting a free yeti instead of a cute pet, just do the "Chilling at Winter Village quest. You get a Fearless Fox Kit and it's adorable. (If you don't have it, do the yeti quests. Why a fox after the yeti quests? Because foxes are involved in the quests.) Also, this video's the most down-to-Earth one I've seen about the controversy so far. Thank you for making it.

[@MrssCrow]

Thank you for this wonderful video, I think we all needed some more insight on not just one but both sides of the whole controversy. I really miss the old club PurpleTide, (This is Nikki Lioncake lol) not saying you remember me but thats not what is important. Your video production has come far from last I've really checked up on you, and I've got to say I'm excited to see what you've got in store for us next year. Until then, you AND Wade have an amazing new years, and cheers to y'all and for whats to come on the channel.

[@Laceyridespixelponies]

The star sc they gave us was in panic they realised that everyone was pissed and have it us

[@nancyfriendstream]

this video was so mature and informative 💓💓

[@PetDKK]

Your video has explained everything SO well! Thank you for the clarity

[@orlafalconer2314]

This video is so good omg 🥰 I’m an older player, I have a full time job and maybe 2 hours of free time in the evening, I logged in to the winter village maybe ten times this year, the grinding for a temporary event was too much and all that for them to go against the community is just sad to see ☹️ I used to want to defend sso so bad but I don’t think I can anymore, the horses being made at the moment are gorgeous and the quests this year were good, but the higher ups at sso are really ruining this game for us 💔

[@River_Plays_Games]

Such a well-made video! The points made by your interviewees were all very good and certainly gave me more to think about. Thank you for all the work you put into this video, Amelia!

[@Star_stable.lover1]

Off topic, but I love these long talking videos!❤

[@cloudyyy_dragons]

Aș a person who sat through all 59 minutes and 59 seconds of this video, I just wanna say how well done this was. Not only did it validate both sides, but it showed different perspectives, and you said your opinions in a respectful way. The way this video was put together was very well done in my opinion. And for an outsider, Ricky Cranberry’s side (I hope I’m not the only one who remembers that 😭) wasn’t that bad, considering he started off with ‘both sides are stupid’ XD

[@Aquaerie]

really really good video, i have such a muxh better understanding of everything now, even though i'm trying to be kinda neutral i also understand both sides. I'm leaveing this video with a sub and a thumb up

[@jamesrichtsmeier]

We got an code according to minotizy idk how to spell her name

[@yeye-pg2px]

Yup, HAPPYNEWYEAR2024

[@madisonkupsky685]

I don’t think that SSO needed to do the testing at all. We’ve been telling them that we want lower prices for years now. So if they had just lowered the prices and kept the 1200 SC plus 100 weekly then I think it would’ve been fine, but because they decided to do this testing to see if people would rather pay more or less they’ve just screwed things over with the community as a whole. I think it’ll take SSO a while to recover from this huge upset with their players this whole thing has caused. Yes I’m aware that it’s not just the star rider deals that are causing all of the upset and that there’s more to it, but the pricing is a big part of it.

[@savanadawg]

Dead ass game bro💀🙏🏼 either my fyp strayed away from sso content haven’t heard anything from the community in months, probably since the character update or changed prices, haven’t even touched the game either😭 I’m rlly surprised people still play ts⁉️

[@k0bby_]

One thing about the star rider offers I would like to add is, back in 2017 (when I bought my star rider) Both the weekly allowance and the no weekly allowance was an available option. Years later I was wondering where it went (I made an alt account and only the weekly allowance was an option)

[@tatehotchkiss9883]

As a horse owner irl my family pay 150-200 for a stable at our local yard per month so even the original price for getting 8 people starcoins is getting crazy lmao

[@Bowwybear8422]

Wow you went in such dept of this matter. I'm a new player. Started at the end of the Halloween this year. I had no idea about the star coin code till i saw a few videos. First i have to say is the update was not what i was expecting. I had watch so many videos of Sso on KZbin because i couldn't play. It wasn't till mobile for Ios came out. All of the years i watch people play was awesome. So my chance came and i played for a week and was hooked Couldn't leave the starter area due to no star rider. And i severely loved the events i got to be in. As soon as i heard about the code i was hopeful to buy a winter horse as i had saved up from a 99 cent thing they had going. My dear mother heard how excited i was for this. As i enjoy horse game to death and was going to be able to get another one. Then christmas morning i get up and do stuff then in down time i log on. The drop on my face when i saw no star coin code. I was a bit sad. I know and understand how these games work and that its not promised to us but was really hoping for it. I didn't cry or anything as it doesn't help stuff. But im really bad with things so when someone i looked up to was one sided i went with it. Betty the yeti is okay in all defense. I don't hate her nor love her. Befor this my mother bought a discounted star rider for a late birthday present so i had sr and some sc. But still my budget was tight as i spent the sr thing on some horses. So i was then hoping for sc so i could save for the Ardennes. (November was when i became a star rider, and sometime in the first week of playing i found info for sc's on yt for Christmas so if that makes sense) so i was indeed still sad because of the sc issue. But that doesn't stop me from playing what did for a few days was!!! NOT being able to do anything as anytime in the village i would get super hurt and sent back to stables for just walking. Or falling through the map! Tapping on the quests, or racing as it would say i was hurt when i wasn't. All the glitches hurt the game to play plus the headache inducing purple tint. I spent the whole first week grinding due to head splitting migranes. (Not my best moment) I hit 18k after (what my game play was for that week) 50 or so hours. As i can't see specificly for that week. I was putting in the blood, sweat, and tears into collecting that stuff. The boycott seems to of been long coming and the A/B testing is illegal as I have an alt that i went to the store on and found the sc allowance on there and in the description. I don't have socal media so i had no idea about this. I was just confused as to why it was that price as my main had discounted and this one was to but with no deal. (Didn't buy it btw have no money and its an alt) I'm in the in-between as of now as the boycott was called for with all the issues but it was confusing. As you said the hay that broke the cammels back. Or in this cases the carrot that chocked a horses. I will say for some White Knights they gotta chill i had one yell and curse me because i said i would like more quest and less horses. As you can only get to like 24 and have nothing to do. If you made it this far. Don't yell at me.

[@sophiayellowgrove5664]

Thought Christmas was supposed to be jolly…Thanks sso 🥲

[@Czepialska]

As I do agree with cloud. Since once when I started playing sso (in 2020)again my friends started telling me that usually on children’s day sso would give a code, which they responded to as “not every country celebrates children’s day (that’s okay), but then next couple of years we got a code from them (on the exact day)? Couldn’t they just say “Sorry due to the covid we won’t be giving a code on this day?” Tbh it would make much more sense rather than being like “sorry we’re trying (not) to be inclusive”, secondly as I do agree sometimes they have to raise the prices, they kinda have been like ea games with these, they raise prices over 3 times in span of 2 years! Also the giftcard store was kinda a scam to the players who weren’t from us or euro user either, the prices were overly overpriced for users who used a currency which wasn’t those who I mentioned before. Although the prices now kinda look better it’s still pain in the ass for people who would rather want to give their friends starcoins this way rather than logging on their account. To the a/b testing, I think it’s a bit scummy for new players, since well… how would they know if the only option doesn’t even see to have “weekly allowance” (and when u click on the FAQ page it would say yes u get w weekly allowance with star rider), but to the person on Reddit who kinda made it popular they’re at fault since well, since they said they’ve been playing for over a month they did know that all the other offers said “weekly allowance on it”, although moving away from that fact it doesn’t make any sense for me why someone would buy it, except if someone would didn’t have just the money to buy the normal life time subscription (ALTHOUGH from what I hear u still kinda got some profit out of it? Since it wasn’t full price if u wanted weekly sc)

[@IMSkyePOG]

I'm going to share my opinion as somebody who hasn't played star stable properly since around 2019. I am level 19 on star stable - started playing around 2017 and only go on to take photos or open the presents under the tree...and I can safely say that sso has gone downhill (which we all already knew) and what they are doing now is wrong for not just the community but for themselves and I think they should have been more open about a lot of things especially the A/B testing, I get why they didn't to get the most reliable results but it still makes no sense how they missed that it says +100sc on the 50 dollar option. Surely, they would have checked through the site before releasing it and if they didn't it shows how much this company doesn't care enough. As for the boycott i don't think they are going about it in the right way as at the end of the day it will only make prices more expensive but sso has had it coming for years now. The game has changed a lot and I see why with a whole new generation of kids playing and honestly, I'm proud of how far they have come with the horses as the Lipizzaner's and Dutch warmbloods are impeccable compared to older horse models sso released in prior years such as the Haflinger but throughout all this change sso has lost a lot of its old self in a way. They have always called us ''starfam'' but even that has lost its meaning over time as how can this community feel like a family when it seems star stable is moving away from the community and its communication is the worst it's possibly ever been. I wouldn't be as mad if they communicated with the community they built. Personally, I believe that the some in the community will be mad at anything SSO does, but I agree with the anger this time and while we have the 300sc should that really excuse what else they have done? Being completely honest I bet they only gave the 300sc to 'cover up' all of the backlash they have gotten. I don't have any expectations for star stable anymore, yet you can see why people expected star coins after having them every year for 10 YEARS and having 0 communication. As previously stated, I don't keep up with the community or the news, but I opened the 25th present and expected star coins but I wasn't mad about it, I just said to myself 'oh? bit weird but alright...?' and didn't think about it much after. Again, I see why people were angry although I guess we have gotten a lot this year that the community didn't seem the most grateful for. The celebration items are on the same level as the magical horses are for me, just retextured and being sold so ppl buy more sc to get them which is more profit for sso and I don't care much to even get online for the special events to get items that are retextured and if they aren't we will get the same retextured items (sometimes nicer) I can just buy so either way I don't have the motivation to complete a special event for a retextured item. I bet it takes effort to create the tack but for them to say it takes them a lot of 'effort' to retexture them is like a massive middle finger in a way, I am not a developer or coder, but it can't take that long especially if they already have the models for the tack such as the saddle pads. Star Stable has more players now which is probably why they don't give out free star coin codes more often as it wouldn't be worth it for them to do but at the same time yes sc prices are really stupid at the moment but again as I've said the prices will go up more with people boycotting as star stable needs the money to keep running which leads me on to say that this business just brought a whole new office and moved into it and has expensive things in the office like the models which they moved so there's no way this company is doing badly if they can afford to do that so I guess it just shows how sso is starting to not care anymore about the wider community which I guess is fair if you think about it because the sso community can be incredibly hateful.. if we are actually communicating without all the threats which is messed up how that even happens because the people replying the comments are paid to say those copy and pasted things but anyways if we as the community stopped being so hateful towards starstable - I'm not talking about when sso actually does something wrong but when they just release something then star stable might want to communicate better with the community because they can respond to this situation about the star coins (not the A/B Testing) and still be hated on no matter what they say. Of course, star stable needs to make an effort as well and it seems they don't and even when they used to give out the star coin codes, they never really had a connection with their own community. In this situation both sides are bad, people against star stable (not all of them) will be against star stable whatever they do, people for sso will defend them if it's the last thing they will do, star stable doesn't really care and there's the small majority that is in the middle. I really liked this video, and it really caught me up with everything going on, after I watched it, I went and did my own searching and wrote this comment mainly to show the opinion as somebody no longer really involved in the star stable community anymore but used to during the era of dressage clubs and gen 2 Friesians that every club and their mothers used. Thank you for making this video! It was a really enjoyable watch.

[@Crispemuffin]

I was so confused when I read about the test star rider 💀

[@christymills6154]

So I don't usually comment on the drama of sso but in my opinion some of the drama is going too far. I can see the frustration of some of the players (being a sso player for 12 years myself) when it comes to the drama from bad updates to prices being raised. I just wish that sso would tell players more about what they are doing. Like with the a/b testing for an example, the team behind that could have told us players about before doing it and saying that they misprinted the cheaper option. If players knew what was going on with sso then I think the community would be a little bit less harsh to each other (game blogs).

[@RubyConiam]

I watched this all while being ill and I just layed there vomiting, occasionally watching on the loo, and I must say. I was once very confused what was going on and this has really helped. I’m still projectile vomiting and shitting though sooo

[@foureyedsnake244]

Im just gonna write this from someone who has played other MMO's and payed their subcriptions and special currency fees. Star Stable, is so cheap in comparision, LIfetime subcriptions, pay once never pay again does not exist in others. We get weekly money, other MMO's give you 1 time a month and basically are, here you go now f*** off. Even the monthly and 3 month subcriptions are much cheaper. 13,99$ for 3 months? I payed that in 1 month. Even the prices are cheaper if I wanna buy SC. Speaking of codes, no MMO that I have played has given out special currency for free, not for birthday not for christmas or new years. In general, I find a lot of the drama around SSO jsut ridiculous. When the new characters got released the feedback? That was not feedback, that was people mad that oh no, how dare SSO give the option for bigger people. It was wild on servers ingame for months afterwards. The amount of fatphobia was crazy. Additionally as someone who has been playing since atleast 2014, but was only able to get starrider in 2022. Man, do most of the players jsut have nothing better to do?

[@hails3d1ts]

Can’t wait to watch!! I love drama😍🤓

[@Starstablelover-do5po]

Me to

[@Sassafrass95]

I agree games have to change... That being said! If they change too MUCH and/or alienate their older fan base they run the risk of losing a vast majority of their players who have been there since the beginning or at least for a good chunk of the game's lifetime

[@Yamini.ponylion]

To play devils advocate: no one said that we would get 300sc every year. If sso decides to not give us sc it is their choice. I think we are forcing sso a bit but that’s up to you. (Really late with this ik)

[@itsnotthatdeep6657]

You're absolutely right and that was mentioned I believe, but still from a moral standpoint if you decide to create an expectation through a pattern of behavior and then with no warning decide to break that pattern of behavior, I do think it's fair for those affected to be upset.

[@doglovermaya5861]

I agree with all your points, but there is one more theory about the star coin code lateness that I figured I'd point out; It was intentionally delayed, with all the Christmas deals and all the Star Coin offers being thrown in there so that parents would fork out cash to make their kids stop crying that they can no longer get the horses they want. It's a marketing strategy that I believe they expected would get them more money, but "unfortunately" backfired. One thing I really want to be pushed though, is what you said about not threatening or insulting others. I have seen endless stories and comments of people openly mocking the boycott side primarily. I've been called disgusting, ungrateful, greedy, stupid, petty and ridiculous for sharing criticism of the game. I don't take it to heart of course, but these comments just make everything worse. I find most folks (not all) on SSO's side tend to resort to mockery and insult instead of honest critique or just leaving it well enough alone. That said! Boycott people have also sent nasty things to people openly sharing they'd bought star coins. Really I just sometimes forget this is a community of children and teenagers who have trouble separating critique from bullying. There are rational folks among the community of course, but they're often silenced by the ones screaming hate at the top of their lungs. -Cuffs (Freja Kingson)

[@PetDKK]

Bee Cloud said everything SO well! 28:40 - 31:00

[@shannoneq185]

Thank you so much for making this. I continue to love watching your channel because of my similar views on the game. I have a huge sweet spot for the game due to it being my childhood and actually the big reason I began riding horses. I'm not extremely active on the game anymore but from the times I have log on I have a hard time seeing the social "climate" change. I agree full-heartedly this games NEEDS change. I love seeing the new areas and actually find it really frustrating people constantly ridicule them. But socially this game seems so different-- maybe I just need a fill in-- there isn't much of a sense of community anymore? It may be because I'm no longer on the social side of the game (except for these videos) but even when I was still an avid player about a year and a half ago I watched as the big clubs everyone looked up to disbanned and never truly got replaced. While I found this whole controversy understandable and actually agreed with it, I have watched SSO take this route time and time again. When people complain enough they comply. I truly think the real change is in the future with the other built up frustrations-- some even going back to when I first started playing in 2016.

[@belindawalker3120]

Thank you for all the time you took to make this, there was a lot of food for thought. Just one question though, if SSO is taking away weekly allowance options, are they going to be reducing their prices of their items in game? The only way I could have survived in the beginning of the game ( I have been playing since 2018) ,was through the weekly allowance, even then it took a long time to save up and get what was needed. Now to buy tack or clothes is just too expensive, how are those who cannot afford a more pricier subscription and therefore a weekly allowance, going to afford to buy star coins to get what is needed. Yes there is the in game currency of Jorvic shillings, but you have to graft REALLY hard and long to get 10k and then its poof , gone on 1 item!. The consumer is being used as Guinea pigs and should be made aware of what is happening. No hate, I enjoy this game but prefer to know what I am getting into in order to make an informed decision. Keep up the good work, you have a new subscriber.

[@melaniemulder6035]

This year I wanted to experience the wintervillage again and because my subscription ended a way before that. So before the wintervillage update I went to the website to buy a new subscription. And I saw that the pay once subscription was €35,98 and on 50% sale when it is normally around €70. And yes i am getting my 100sc allowance (first i was a bit scared because i couldn’t remember if i did). So I don’t really believe the ‘they need the money’ reason for not giving us the sc on the 25th. If it was a money problem then they probably wouldn’t have done a 50% sale on lifetime.

[@axe2971]

i honestly don't understand the "boycott"... i haven't bought sc in years, simply bc i can't afford it, so does that mean i'm partaking in a "boycott"?? wouldn't our complete abstinence from playing the game be a more effective & true boycott???

[@AmeliaDreambell]

I mean that’s a great point to bring up, but boycotts are usually a mutual decision from a majority of a community at one point in time. Take Starbucks for example (totally different I know, and far more serious) but people all at once decided to boycott them and they’ve lost a lot of profit in a short amount of time. It’s normal for a company to lose clientele, as in you not buying in years, but someone will fill your place eventually & make up for your “lost “ profit. I understand the confusion on that though, boycotts are a difficult thing & take a lot of commitment from a large amount of people as a whole. As for people not playing at ALL, that’s a far harder boycott to organize, people usually target sales for boycotts more anyway. Thank you for the perspective though, that was genuinely something I didn’t even think of!!

[@spookymp8366]

I just have a big problem with the bullys..in the community. i mean the people just being rude asf and bullying other players who just dont want to join the boycott

[@StrayKisswHobyStrayKids]

There were, just recently, two SC codes for like max. 100 SC (not even that much if I recall correctly, the 2 codes tgt accumulate to the max. 100 SC). It felt like an insult or at the very least something they'd do and when people later complain about no SC codes, they could point out that they gave some

[@Ameila_playZz]

Honestly idk what to think of star stable, when I was a little kid all I wanted was to play star stable ,but I couldn’t bc I didn’t have a computer so I would always watch star stable videos bc it was like I was playing the game. Well when mobile came out I couldn’t afford star rider so I lived off of codes, lost interest in the game a lot until I got a computer ,star rider , and then I stopped playing bc I realized how shady sso is . said all that to say I play bc I don’t have horses irl and play this game to have “ horses of my own” but even on the game I can’t afford the horses 😂😩

[@PretraMoongren]

Thank you for sharing this with us. I had heard about this issue, and knew about alot of this, but it was nice getting a more "sum up, both sides" in one video kinda view of the whole thing. I know that alot of the older players are "pissed" at sso, and I am not here to debate if they should be or not, as I have not been around in the community for years. One thing that I do want to point out is that even though you say you are taking the "middle road" in this video, you make a lot of point towards the negative, and you can clearly hear your annoyance with the situation(s) that has been going on. Not saying that its not valid, this is just from my point of view watching you video.

[@AmeliaDreambell]

Because I was also learning as I went along. I had no opinion going in & formed it as I made this video so all the information I was taking in was new. Truthfully, and as respectfully as possible, looking back on this video I did take the middle road at the end because I had bigger things going on in my actual life LOL. It was around the holiday season, literally the day after Christmas so I was more so annoyed I was being pressured to make a video than I was towards people opinions. I obviously didn’t HAVE to make a video, it was just exhausting & im very expressive so that probably slipped out.

[@thehorsecrazyyoutuber9604]

Just realized we got star coins because of this video thank you so much lol❤

[@loviley]

THE MATH MAY BE INACCURATE! sso has been partaking in split testing (aka bucket testing, a/b testing) for a while. they recently sent out an offer of, basically, star rider without the weekly allowance, which is already super low. for the same price as normal star rider. (they have said for a lower price, but is it really gonna be lower?) we get 100 star coins per week, but if you don’t have star rider, you can buy it for 6 dollars. to get 1k it’s 18 dollars. most horses cost 850-950 star coins. you are paying about 18 dollars for a pixel pony. a singular pixel pony. if you saved up and did not buy any extra star coins except our 100 every week (52 weeks in a year) you could buy about 16, 850 star coin horses, and maybe some pets or tack. so sso better, either raise our allowance or lower the price of the horses.

[@huntermoonhearth]

You're math at the end is way off. 52 weeks a year ends your year with 5200 sc that's 4 horses depending on price not 16. Every weekend we get 100 sc (if you get it due to a bug you might not.) 100 sc for 52 weeks = 5200 sc on Dec 31. So if you rely solely on weekly allowance you can get only 4 horses a year.

[@Crispemuffin]

Bro I remember they used to give 300 sc, it was the best part, and the advent calendar.. this is so rigged what sso hq is doing, thats why I dont buy sc anymore, thank god I got the one time buy membership back in 2019 so I dont need to buy sc

[@ErisFrance0]

you know what I don't understand on the people saying we should be grateful? the fact these people don't even bother to do fact check on how long SSO actually worked on the "free rewards" or anything they have been adding to the game lately I work in the industry so I can say this quite confidently. Tack sets and even the horses are shaded and textured on a greyscale, so all artists need to do is use the select tool and bucket tool on photoshop to change set colors after to reuse it. Not only that but the Yeti set looks dangerously close to just a saturation and curve layers added on top of the original set we already had. If SSO works with professional artists and programmers, and knowing all sets and the 4 new horses we got were already in the game, model and texture wise, I did the math and in work days, they probably worked 12h on recoloring, and 2 days programming the yeti and uploading everything in game, I will be generous and say it took them a whole working week, 5 days if they work slow or add connection issues, lets say, very generous (aka I would be fired if I worked at that speed from places I worked in the past). this would be fine if these gifts were free and a one off, but all the stuff we have gotten this year aside from the new horse models which have to be paid for from our pocket as extras, no one can buy them on lifetime anymore if you want to buy one of each, were recolors of sets already in game, even the new horse colors look a lot like each other. Horses have a billion shades of bay in real life, but SSO keeps recycling the same 4 shades of bay, same with the black shade thats always the same or the silver manes, or even the grey texture that looks like one of their artist has just a pencil texture on photoshop and just uses it instead of handmaking the grey dapples. So, their work is been more lazy every event, with the reuse of textures and recolors being more blatant with each release, horse colors have been more boring and copy pasted than before, updates have been more buggy than ever, I mean we have had the new characters for half a year now and the proportion of the model still looks gigantic next to the other riders if you put the models side by side (no, not tall, we could be tall, I have no issue with that, the model is just pasted in the game on a bigger scale than all other characters, like a bad png crop and paste and thats a programming and scaling issue that should be fixed ASAP in my opinion, we look wrong on most ponies now) and they have been "less giving" to their players with SC but the prices keep increasing? Where is all the money going if the work is less detailed and "cared for" than 4-5 years ago? What are the justifications for these prices? Personally, I have an lifetime account but I used to pay for SC and even gave my friends SC and lifetimes as well. Did it for years. I havent bought anything since February. I cant justify the prices they are asking. I will not give them 50 to 70 dollars which is the minimum they ask for, if the work I see being put like a "new set, look how great it is, be thankful to us for our hard work" can be done in an hour, which is 10 dollars of payment where I live, to a single artist with a bucket tool on photoshop. Its ridiculous

[@horse_gamer1212]

Ok I’m going to share my opinion as this video made me think a whole lot about this whole issue. My opinion backing up SSO: I think that both sides have their equal share of good and bad. Star stable has made their fair share of mistakes so I feel like when people expect things they are building up themselves which causes the uproar when something changes. Star stable is a great game in my opinion but the developers don’t make the best decisions and that is why I’m kind of unsure. I feel like SSO is just a big drama platform. People need to learn to accept things sometimes and not get so expecting. Creating games and running a business is hard. While I feel like SSO developers are not the greatest I do believe they don’t deserve all the hate they get. People need to control their emotions and realize that when something happens, it doesn’t mean it’s time for a big uproar. SSO creators do give us a lot. They gave us multiple presents, they have a lot of codes for free items, and they give us a lot of updates in the game. About the 300 SC, SSO never made a promise that it would be a tradition to give us SC. They just did it every year which made people expect it. Again I think people should lower expectations because overall it’s just people trying to make money and have a job. A lot of the time people overreact on the smallest things. In the end it’s just a game. That isn’t everything I want to say but I don’t want a whole uproar of people coming at me for giving some credit to SSO. Now for my opinion backing the players: SSO has done a lot of things that they really shouldn’t have done. I do believe it could have been a test to see how we would react if they took SC codes away and clearly people did not react well. I do understand why people were so upset about the code. A lot of people rely on that code as they can’t afford SC or Star Rider. Also the whole shop thing is definitely not ok and I do believe that was on purpose as they never apologized for it. I do feel like there was a reason for the boycott and I can understand why it happened. I think if SSO was more transparent about what’s actually going on people wouldn’t be as upset I don’t really want to say anything else because I don’t like when people come at me for my opinion but I just want to make if clear, I feel like both sides have issues so I support both sides in some way. Thanks for reading this.

[@Chumnky]

don't forget the money spent on the horse armpit candles

[@fleurdelice777]

My biggest problem with sso is lack of proper measures to keep children safe

[@foxgriin]

I EFF W HIM HEAVY. fantastic video, loved it. that comment was the best tho LOL

[@SirsSmilesAlot]

Honestly i am part of sso since 2015, and i never got upset or anything cuz i play the game for fun and to busy myself with random dailys, i rlly barely dont have an opinion going on to the game, i do enjoy listening to people what they have to say about the game but i dont talk up or anything lmfao i like drama, and entertainment to my favourite hyperfixations haha xd

[@BillyBob123-cr1yd]

This video almost made me cry

[@Ivyeveningfall]

I do think as of this illegal stuff startstable might just be nearing its END

[@serra_a1]

I didn't even realise that people were mad on sso! I was also dissepointed but we also had amazing other events and stuff so i'm not mad on sso :)

[@horse_gamer1212]

What happened to your ‘The Equestrian World Scares Me’ series?

[@AmeliaDreambell]

someone from my real life found it and threatened to send it to the trainer I was talking abt so I had to take it down

[@horse_gamer1212]

@@AmeliaDreambell oh my gosh. Will you still do the one with your fan’s stories then?

[@BecksCreations]

This was a really well done video, you should give yourself more credit! 💙 It definitely didn't feel like an hour long and I was really interested to hear all the details about this drama, which you definitely provided! I have been feeling a little disappointed and disconnected with SSO and it's good to know I wasn't alone. 🩵 Thank you for this great video and Happy New Year! ❄

[@l0vebur_WSS]

people find this the best year of sso, im not trynna hate on my childhood game ( 2014 - 2018 ) as i still play it but not much. it was better during 2018 and 2019, that joy of hopping on before school to see the new update on wednesdays, after my homework i would have an hour or so before dinner to play. it was fun until the game became modern and no longer was mysterious/exciting. i think they might be able to fix the game, even if its just altering the way that they price things or change the quests/some updates. they need to bring the midsummer event....

[@Sassafrass95]

Also I may be wrong but Betty the Yeti looks VERY similar to WoW's Yeti pet

[@nevaehmolina-w2h]

This might be very random, butbwhat do you use to film?

[@-Brassy]

this is so true.The game is targeted towards kids, but they make everything an jaw-dropping price.Like, some kids don’t get an allowance or many they can spend of games like this, and most parents aren’t willing to pay so much money for just a game the kid will probably grow out of.I get they need the money, but everything is just such an insane price.I can’t even play SSO anymore because i’m a Free player and have literally done everything a free player can do.But if they wanted more attention to the game, I feel like they could at least let players free roam past level five, and maybe instead of having the whole “star riders can go explore the whole map and do all the quests” they can just have like extra features that star riders can do, like just about every other popular game.

[@stacystein2275]

has anyone else been having these glithces? 1. not getting there js for selling tack\items 2. not able to use tack in the backpack having the hose stuck in your hand anyone? dunno if its just me

[@ellecarlton.eventing]

I love this so much 🤩 I think its super important to show both sides of the argument, I was super annoyed when we got the yeti rather than star coins as I didn't think I'd need To buy star coins over xmas because we get codes but I also get cloud's point on the team not promising codes for the next 20+ years. I'm quite in the middle, I think that star riders get spoiled a lot by the team and with getting stuff in the bonus shop etc whereas non star riders don't really get much but then the way sso didn't tell us when they did the non star coin star rider isn't right and is more likely to annoy people than get them to buy it- thats definitely not going to boost sales or players I think sso need to listen more to the feedback they get on social media and bring back the things that made old sso such an appealing game. sso WAS the only game that was very generous to all players and that was their USP. Now they're much more like other horse games (or most games tbh)where youre either a beginner and you get next to nothing or you pay x amount and get everything.I think star stable need to do a massive deep dive into comments on social media to really look at what WE want and what will in turn up their money, player count etc. I totally get that the world is more expensive but sso will get more sales if stuff is cheaper so everyone can actually afford this, once I make a new insta (mine got hacked😜) would I be ok to do a similar thing? 🩵

[@DemonEatingChair]

Somewhat deep dive. ITS AN HOUR LONG 😢

[@Darkmoon331]

I havent yet finished the video (at the 45 min) but i wanted to put my thoughts into words. (Also im not hating on the game, I'm a very passionate person and i love this game) I want to start by saying that the sso situation feels like its getting worse and worse (with some exceptions): the accidental false advertisement, the fact that it feels like theyre too prideful to say "hey, sorry, we f'd up", the starcoins code thing and the overall fact that the more this happens the more older players get angry (and in my opinion rightfully so). Another thing is the bugs. The amount of bugs is astonishing to me. Ive been playing sso for longer, but I now come from a game, Wolfquest if you wanna look it up on yt, that has a waaay smaller team but any time i get on it's honestly rare for me to spot a bug. Now, I'm aware that they're 2 completely different games, don't get me wrong, but yesterday i got on sso and it was bug, after bug, after bug (ranging from, any time i ran into something with a horse that has special gaits, it triggers them and you can't do anything but wait until the animation stops, when you brush the npc horses it tps you to yours, or when you pick their hooves they get stuck with their leg up, 'having a bad fall' by falling 2 pixels off of nothing, not being able to mount my horse, the follow/call commands never working, and i could add many more) until i just logged off. And you know what? I would have loved to help the devs by notifying them of those bugs but the hoops you have to go through to do that makes it too hard. Wolfquest, on the other hand has both an in-game report system, and a discord server with apposite channels for reporting any kind of bugs you might encounter < bugs that also then get resolved within a couple days, mind you (unless it's hard to recreate). I'll stop here before i write a whole book lmao. Also (insert 'english is not my first language' comment here)

[@Darkmoon331]

I wanna add that I'm really loving the video, im also a huge enjoyer of deep dive videos

[@Cow.Moo01]

This is amazing. But me personally I’m a little mad at not getting the star coins and I tried today when it expires but it wasn’t working but that is okay. I’m with the boycotting. Well I don’t know. I’m just in the middle of

[@SSO_GR]

I know that SSO got so much hate and callout that they made a code. The yeti is just.... ew.

[@Caoimhe-h9m]

I understand why they make sc so expensive and why they probably wouldn’t do this, but they could test out for say a week making the prices lower, and compare how much money they make after obviously announcing it to the community otherwise people won’t know unless they check if there’s an offer etc. but anyway, love your videos mellee :)

[@Wild.island.eventing.]

Wow. I paid almost 80 bucks for them to set the price back so much

[@ayoyoulookingweird]

Watching this vid I sended emails to sso because sso game made my computer crash by the bugs I also contacted in case of the sc code and they tried to ghost me after I put the facts in the table but when they fixed everything I was finaly responded too why? For mentioning buying sc but now not doing it by the bugs..woah sso. Just money is important huh?

[@ArianaAshham]

Ik I'm posting this in May but I was curious So I was disappointed when we didn't get the starcoin code but I wasn't mad. And now I'm watching this and I'm a little miffed and also a little scared because of some of the points brought up. Y'all are correct. But what Amelia says is the most correct, because you shouldn't get worked up quite this much about some of the things that SSO does. It's best not to get mixed up in it. I don't agree with some other recent marketing and business practices, but that's not a reason to just quit playing the game because lot of people love the game and they won't quit playing it, so a boycott is sort of useless

[@ari9531]

If you look at the other games targeting the same ages. You see deeply predatoy practices. Like fortnite and roblox. Although i dont want SSO to follow in the same path. The game 10 years ago was a janky, unbalanced mess. I played before you could even have two horses! Most games charge a monthly fee. If SSO is going to continue to be playable they need to make money. Id rarher see them do this than offering loot boxes to children.

[@payton5264]

I definitely fall somewhere in the middle. I have problems with SSO. there are things wrong. however, I also see the good. the people on the team making quests, horses, etc, work hard. I appreciate them. I'm always there ready to criticize kindly, but I'm also there to say "Yay, you guys are awesome." I 100% play both sides depending on the situation. no, I'm not always happy with updates. we haven't gotten quest progression in a while and that's annoying. however, what other game has updates every single week? I know it's been a thing since they started, but I keep hoping they'll throw away the weekly updates. i think if they could focus on the bigger picture things might be better. that might be an unpopular opinion, but i truly think if they even updated once or twice a month things would start looking better. yes, that wasn't talked about in the video, but I just started typing and it happened lmfao. i wasn't online for the winter updates, but that star coin situation would have angered me too. i also think SSO needs to be better at proofreading because that website issue with the star rider offers both saying they had weekly allowance never should have happened. i mean seriously, there are always typos or misinformation. they need editors or something.

[@reeseandrex]

Unrelated to the video but I find it so funny she’s had Rainly for so long and rides him often but he’s still not maxed out 😂

[@kaylee__brooke2]

honestly at this point i don’t have a side in this situation, im js in my own world and i wont fully step in unless it gets really bad😅

[@roninemeth]

I actually bought the LTSR without the weekly allowance back in 2018? 19? but I dont see anyone else talking about it existing before, not even SSE itself. I do also remember checking SR offers on their website a few months ago, not seeing that specific one anywhere and wondering why they removed it

[@PetDKK]

19:46 - 21:05 Exactly how I feel

[@jaxtracy8]

i personally did get 300 star coins. but i also got crap i didnt want.

[@mascha8978]

Great video! I do have two points I'd like some clarification on because I want to understand your opinion/experience better (this is not meant as an attack in any way, I really just want some things to be cleared up!)

[@AmeliaDreambell]

English isn’t my first language so I didn’t know there was a difference lol. & Fortnite & cod battle passes are monthly, and they’re usually $30. We pay for lifetime once unless you’re subscription based SR which most people aren’t

[@mascha8978]

@@AmeliaDreambell thanks for replying! Can I safely assume from this response that you do think corporations can be greedy, then :)? Or what did you mean?

[@denisedolphinpark]

wades response lol tbh, i really dont give a dog crap either way, not a great way to go w/ it being illegal-ish and with all the bugs going on currently, this games just wack as hell and i do love it and *some* of the community but im glad you covered this and showed both sides, nice to get more understanding for why it could of been justified for no sc code (until after xmas)