A STUART MODELS BOILER FEED PUMP - HOW IT WORKS - IN THE WORKSHOP

[@CraigLYoung]

Mr. Appleton, I've watched your complete series and of all the boillers, engines, and pumps that I've seen you rebuild, this one is the most unique. I can't wait to see it reconditioned and working. Thank you elevating my curiosity of this Hobby.

[@Alphaminer100]

I know you don't like that color but in my opinion, I would keep it grey. Has a nice industrial look and seems to be painted rather well.

[@sethg6157]

Now that's a complicated looking bit of kit!

[@tomherd4179]

Wanted to add comment on a holder for turning threaded items, such as the brass connector you turned down. I saw this on another Y-Tube video and made up a set for myself. Each holder was about 1" long and made from various sizes of brass ODs drilled and tapped through with threads I selected, then each OD turned down to about 1/4". Cut 3 slots 120 degrees from one end through the threads to about 75% of the length (1" or whatever was picked). The brass connector you used could then be threaded into a holder and once in the 3 jaw lathe chuck under compression it is held rather tight without damaging the threads.

[@steamandsmoke97]

Beautiful little feed pump Keith! I had an idea for your consideration in regards to mounting the pump to the 504 boiler plant. In my opinion the steam pump would be a far better combination with the Economizer than the hand pump would, and my reasoning for this is because the pump's speed can be adjusted to maintain the water level in the boiler while the Engine is running, instead of the injector filling the boiler rapidly and making the steam drop. Also, considering the Pump's exhaust could be run through the economizer as well through the blank port with the checkball behind the union nut, I believe the preheat the water would be getting from both the Engine's exhaust and the Pump's exhaust would be enough to offset cooling down the boiler if it is fed slowly and steadily. So with the pump dialed in to a nice tickover to keep the water where it needs to be, the burner set to maintain steam and the engine running at a consistent RPM, the plant should be able to produce a nice consistent power output while not needing as much babysitting or fiddling from the engineer aside from oiling. Then the Injector and Hand Pump would be back-up feed systems. Just the thoughts of a Daft Yank ;-)))

[@keithappleton]

Maybe, but I think the 504 generator plant has enough gadgetry on it. I will build another plant to utilise the Stuart Steam pump.

[@curtisburnett6384]

James May just mentioned you in his show grand tour. Took me a second but I figured it out. Lol

[@keithappleton]

??? - ?

[@curtisburnett6384]

Keith Appleton James May said he had a friend that makes model steam boilers. I assumed since both of you are classical musicians and British it was you. Hopefully I didn't make an ass of myself.

[@keithappleton]

Close ..... only thing is that I don't make boilers, I have rebuilt a few . . . . I wonder who his friend who makes boilers is?

[@curtisburnett6384]

I wonder. Don't really think that many people do that in such a small country. I apologise for my assumptions. Have a good day sir.

[@jamesoates1334]

Likely someone has said this before, but you might find "gunwash" works just as well as expensive thinners for what you want it for.

[@hollyferguson7340]

Keith,someday when it is conveinent for you ,could you show us what is going on inside the smoke box of your old Black 5 locomotive?IT sounds like a real locomotive and it is loud.So many engines are very quiet or sound like a broken air hose Thank you for listening and I will find it helpful.P.N.

[@keithappleton]

That's difficult to do with the black 5 as I sold it in 1994, but I am starting to work on model steam locomotives commercially so I will explain the principle. It's simple enough but you need to know about the pipe arrangements.

[@modelsteamers671]

Nice find Keith. I'm thinking of getting something similar, I did consider making one from a Stuart kit but have heard they are very difficult to build and get working properly. Southworth pumps do sell casting kits but I guess they are difficult to build as well :-(

[@keithappleton]

They are all fiddly to build but the 6 inch Southworth is a simpler design.

[@modelsteamers671]

Thanks, I did look into the 3" Southworth but I was told it is a pain to make and I think for my 5" dia boiler I'd need the 6" pump.

[@jedpusczykowski4955]

I have a few of these pumps. Took me a week to build. I found out that the prints are wrong. Had to machine some of the parts again. Then, it still hasn't quite worked like this.

[@machiningbasics1729]

Nice find !!

[@phoenixrising4573]

What about your coal fired kingdon (I think I spelled that right) boiler? It's far to pretty to not have a home! I've always hoped you might do a horizontal build with a paddlewheeler arrangement, even if it just the drive gear!

[@keithappleton]

I considered it, but I think that the "Kingdon" boiler is a bit too small . . . . a 4 or 5 inch maximum diameter boiler would be the best size for this little pump. Having said that though I will sit the parts close to each other and see what the setup looks like {:-)))

[@flippop101]

Now, for a second there, I could have sworn I saw locomotive on the workbench. Maybe one day 'ey!

[@keithappleton]

You ain't seen nothing yet - please keep watching ....... I will making detailed videos about rebuilding & resurrecting model lLive Steam Lcomotives starting this Friday

[@phoenixrising4573]

Keith Appleton oh be still my heart ;-). But no, seriously....that news makes my day

[@flippop101]

kyndal anne mine too!

[@flippop101]

Keith Appleton you can't believe how pleased I am to hear that. Your viewing statistics could hit a new high! Thank you for your kind reply.

[@JonatanGronoset]

Good as always, Keith. While the pump is interesting enough, I'm more curious about that 14xx we saw on the bench... a new thrilling video series?

[@keithappleton]

There will be a few nice surprises coming very soon. But the 14XX belongs to a customer and is not a video project.

[@flatbrokefrank6482]

I have a set of castings to make one of these, its in my unfinished jobs pile It has been there a while - thirty years or so - now where's my medication!

[@zukowski2023]

Excellent review Keith. I have a question Sir.. Do you know of other manufacturers producing casting kits for steam engines other than Stuart Models? I have done my required google search and turned up no other results, unless I am using the wrong search phrases... I was trying to find out where I could source other casting kits, just to see what variety of engines there may be out there for us hobbyists.. Thanks John

[@keithappleton]

Blackgates Engineering do the "Clarkson" range of steam engine castings ...... www.blackgates.co.uk

[@modelsteamers671]

You could try Southworth engines :- www.southworthengines.com/

[@andyg3]

What would you say is better. This stuart pump of the southworth 6"

[@keithappleton]

Appearance: Stuart Performance: Southworth 6"

[@andyg3]

i thought the same. would the stuart work mounted vertically?

[@keithappleton]

No

[@pdppanelman5889]

I have decided that the Appleton Answer is the only way. If I have anything mechanical that does not work I shall paint it green and all will be well.

[@keithappleton]

I like Stuart engines to be Green - it's sort of Historic {:-)))

[@pdppanelman5889]

Perhaps you could perform your version of an old Rolling Stones hit and change the title to "Paint it Green"

[@BustedWalletGarage]

I want one of these steam pumps just to pump whiskey into my glass.

[@keithappleton]

now that's a good an idea }:-)))

[@CarroBelga]

Hi Keith, where can I find a chart for ME Taps and Dies?

[@keithappleton]

Try typing "chart for ME Taps and Dies" into Google . . . . .

[@J0nnyGT]

Nice GWR steam loco 1:03 - Is this going to feature in a future video?

[@keithappleton]

Not that particular one - but please watch this space {:-)))

[@laurenssmith9534]

Keith Appleton is it a 5 inch 14 xx and please could you do a video on it as I would like to build a 5 inch locomotive myself and I can’t find much information on how you go around building one as I would like to build a sweet pea .

[@keithappleton]

Please keep watching the channel as I am about to take it up a notch or two . . . . . I was thinking about the possibility of building a "Sweet Pea" and I am currently talking to Phil at Blackgates Engineering about it.

[@J0nnyGT]

Keith Appleton sounds very exciting and an interesting project to look forward too

[@jamyers1971]

Sweet pump! I'm curious about the piston valve and its timing. ps: you forgot to tell people not to drink Cellulose Thinner. :-)

[@keithappleton]

It's not a piston valve, the pump uses two slide valves but one is driven by the shuttle piston.

[@jamyers1971]

OK, now you have to take it apart and show how it works ;^) btw, I googled "Weir pumps", and the best thing I could find was an ebook showing a vertical model with what looked like a single slide valve, but no diagrams or explanations.

[@jedpusczykowski4955]

This is an early all gunmetal pump. I have 2 new old stock kits and 2 brand new kits. I want to get one to work correctly. Very fiddly.

[@allinaxford]

Great Western 0-4-2?

[@keithappleton]

The 14xx is not mine ........

[@allinaxford]

Thank you. i was checking i recognized my favorite Great Western Engine.

[@keithappleton]

the 14xx is my favourite too . . . today I did a steam test on it with an injector fitted, I have the footage and i am going to do a feature about Model Steam Locomotive injectors etc . . . watch this space . . .

[@allinaxford]

I am not sure if this is the best place for this. Thank you for your videos. You information on lubrication, tightening of parts, and bearings has been enormously helpful with my O-gauge trains. My 0-4-0 runs much better than before, as do my other engines. Thank you.

[@steamboatmodel]

What is your obsession to paint everything Green? Is that the colour of the local asylums walls? I think it looks fine in Gray. I wish you had opened it up so we could have seen the valves.

[@keithappleton]

I just associate Stuart engines with being dark Green - no more obsessive that usual ..... }:-)))