A Terrible Vegan Insults This 32-Year-Old Lady

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[@UnnaturalVegan]

14:16 Something I forgot to mention: there are plenty of non-graphic, happy images and videos that can help you feel more connected to farm animals (e.g. Esther the Wonder Pig, Crouton the Cow, the dodo)

[@janekatzer1199]

Unnatural Vegan thank you so much for making this video. She loves your channel and I hope she understand we are all in support of her (Jenna’s) life🌸

[@marzkell]

Just so you're aware, the Dodo is run by PETA

[@mattypunkcake]

I was about to write exactly the same!! Such accounts helped me a lot when I first became vegan

[@graceperez8759]

Hank the pig is my favorite insta!

[@luvfitall]

Yea Ive been vegan for 7-9 years I think, but just recently I purchase Magnesium Supplements that CLAIM to be vegan online, but when I got them they were vegetarian....I noticed this AFTER a few days of supplementing with them. It happens Freelee. But in all reality, Jenna HAD to kinda know lol I mean " CHICKEN Ramon Noods" ...come on lol I love her tho

[@Treebeeify]

She came for Jenna??? Hold my tea, gotta cancel my basketball game. It was tomorrow.

[@nellciara1709]

Treebz omg I’m dying lmao !

[@amaryxxx3738]

Shes been coming for jenna for years. It's pretty sad

[@Veronica-fc9td]

Hell Yeah!!

[@cayden114]

are you a point guard? do you have shoe game?

[@asherknechtel2505]

Treebz best comment yet

[@rachelanne7945]

1) Jenna was vegan before it was trendy 2) Jenna and Julien are the two LEAST problematic KZbinrs on this platform like who would even go after them?

[@ashg4045]

Someone with no soul.

[@inyobusiness4331]

Rachel Anne right 🤧

[@Spacers3057]

Someone who always feels self righteous and always looks at the negatives in life

[@iTeacupPanda]

Someone without a personality and likely a declining youtube channel and zero talent.

[@warlocket5326]

Jenna and julien are innocent people

[@mante_vos]

The AMOUNT of people who went vegan while Julien was slowly going into veganism is insane. They don’t have to make videos on convincing people. They tell us why they choose the lifestyle and MOTIVATE PEOPLE

[@hanyougirl1991]

Exactly. I honestly would not go fully vegan but thanks to them I would consider making some changes to my diet once I could afford it

[@elaineabreu282]

To be honest, watching their videos, made me feel more motivated to move towards a plant based diet. I was looking at them and was like, oh look, their food looks tasty and not boring or stuffy.

[@grosspillow]

Just so you know! You can eat a vegan diet for SO cheap. it does get more expensive when you add in the replacement type stuff but I ate a more whole foods vegan diet for under 75 a month! and I had a huge variety of foods as well ☺️ if you want to you’ll find a way! and there are so many amazing people promoting cheap ways to eat vegan as well ☺️

[@lightsoutdarlings1222]

@@grosspillow its hard to eat vegan cheap while still staying cruelty free tbh

[@grosspillow]

@@lightsoutdarlings1222 what do you mean while still staying cruelty free?

[@tyem5819]

Being 👏🏻vegan 👏🏻is👏🏻 not👏🏻 a competition👏🏻

[@laurentaylor7303]

Yess. It feels like some people use veganism as an excuse to be The Best at something and berate others for not being perfect.

[@danielletrigueros1489]

👍👍

[@twolamevegans3591]

Yyyaaassss!!!

[@lissaw4]

Exactly! She is the reason so many people say they stopped even trying after a while. Simply because they are constantly told they are a shit person for a small mistake or that they can never win/ be good enough. You'd think someone who tries to claim she wants everyone to do better would have learned this by now.

[@bo_trilly]

🙌

[@carlyr4036]

Did anybody else read “32 year old lady” from the title in Jenna’s voice?

[@AmethystEyes]

Carly R yes!!!

[@ashleemarie8506]

Always 😂

[@CatBloom42]

Of course! :D

[@erinrenee980]

Lol yes!!

[@KiraFloyd96]

Yes I sang it in my head

[@JennyWas13]

The irony is Jenna and Julian have probably converted way more people than freelee

[@spiritedaway1828]

JennyWas13 yeah Jenna and julien made me go vegan because I realized I don’t have to be so strict. Trying my best is an improvement compared to eating all animal products

[@haboombaby]

They actually make me want to go vegan tbh (I just have my personal issues for why I haven't yet) But Freelee makes me feel like I'd get yelled at if I didn't do it the way I want.

[@mysticmajestic2360]

I'm not vegan but when they cook vegan food, I want to cook that food. I want to incorporate that into my diet. Just being honest and open with your way of life without judgement for those that don't subscribe to those same ideals is a good way of opening up a community to people who probably thought it wasn't for them. Like saying "hey, you don't have to make this your entire lifestyle, it's okay to dabble a bit and see what you like, whilst continuing with what you were doing before."

[@madtingz2288]

So true

[@jordanh4362]

Very true! They inspired me to try out veganism by showing the many things you can still eat. (Gluten free too!)

[@myleesimm]

Banana chick: “Honey is bad for your blood sugar!” Also banana chick: “Don’t be afraid of sugar! Sugar is your friend!”

[@kaley4788]

Right!! Banana brain diet consist of pure sugar cause all she eats is fruit! Even though it’s natural sugar it’s A LOT of sugar and wayyy more sugar than anyone should be consuming!

[@decembervyne6541]

I'm still losing my mind over that. No diet should consist of that much sugar with so little proteins and fats to balance it out. I mean... she must be getting SOME protein to get so fit right?

[@KFrost-fx7dt]

@@decembervyne6541 She's not fit, she's scrawny. It's easy to pedal a bike when you weigh nothing.

[@s.graham9951]

Doesn't she eat like 20 bananas a day? Like that's healthy...

[@evab.6240]

@@KFrost-fx7dt no it's not lol

[@0Squiggles0]

Jenna and Julian have done more for the vegan image than most of the major vegan youtubers in recent years. They have made us look normal and chill, undoing the damage that people like freelee have done. Being vegan "in the background" instead of making it your main personality trait really shows that it is possible to be vegan and not be the stereotype I have infinate love for those two for so many reasons

[@jise111esanchez]

IK RIGHT they are both some of the main reasons why I went vegetarian and am transitioning into veganism

[@MyMyClank]

I’m not vegan, and I used to think not so great things about them, but from watching Jenna and Julien I’ve gained SO MUCH respect for vegans and the food they create. to see someone with an audience promoting a vegan lifestyle that’s fun, empathetic, and welcoming is SO EFFECTIVE and I buy and promote vegan brands because of people like Jenna and the kind vegans I know. Hopefully someday I can afford to try to go vegan. Keep being awesome.

[@julieboolie4070]

I'm not vegan but I love, love, love, tofu tenders bc of Jenna. She is so nonchalant and non pushy.

[@leeannlyons9476]

You’re absolutely right. Their videos aren’t shaming in the least when they make vegan and gf recipes and I’ve tried several (I’m not vegan) and they’re REALLY GOOD. I love that they make it known they follow the lifestyle but it’s not in your face and rude.

[@madelynnorberg7151]

They were the ones who introduced the idea and turned me towards being vegan

[@christina7454]

Freelee: Honey is bad for your teeth Also Freelee: drinks 2 litres of orange juice with coconut sugar for breakfast

[@SarahLouG]

Christina yes!!!

[@christina7454]

@@tinmanluver35 I mean, she even says how sugar (even refined sugar) isn’t bad for you 😂

[@xLiLlyx98]

Honestly... seeing her put that heaping tablespoon of sugar into her juice/smoothie was the last straw I needed go convince myself that this woman really is insane... 😂 No really. If you become so desensitised to the taste of your food like... don't you think it's time to cut back on the fruit?

[@CarmelWox11]

I can’t even imagine how bad Freelee’s teeth are after consuming so much sugar >.

[@Annika9517]

Really hahahah. Oh my. I feel I lost some braincells just by reading this comment thread about what this woman is saying / doing. So glad i don't know her videos 😅☺

[@lissie3669]

This is the lady who made an hour-long video of her crying and apologizing because she put a tiny fish in a rounded aquarium. Leave Jenna alone she's so pure.

[@inyobusiness4331]

Lissie please she really is the sweetest 😫😩

[@Alex-sv7vt]

And excellent at giving her hamster the most possible.

[@kioko8968]

THANK YOU! SHE’S AMAZING AND KIND.

[@calliecalista184]

Ugh! That’s not purity.. that’s ridiculous. Good grief.

[@NVeva]

@@calliecalista184 This. She's an adult. There was no reason to carry on like that about something so trivial/essentially beg forgiveness of a bunch of fucking strangers. It was bizarre and immature.

[@Zailynne1]

There’s girls out here accidentally uploading themselves beating their dogs but this girl’s going after Jenna’s ramen nails 😂

[@SurprisedPikacheesecake]

Wait... WAT!?

[@simoneyoung825]

@@SurprisedPikacheesecake Brooke houts, alinity threw her cat and there's this other girl beating her dog up.

[@Moji710]

Seems like she attacks popular KZbinrs so she can get more views. I love Jenna and Julien, I had to watch that terrible video banana lady did and unfortunately probably counted as a view, even tho I exited it early and didn’t finish it. That’s how that lady has to get people to watch. That’s how she makes that $$$$$ Didn’t hesitate to give it a thumbs down on my way out. That banana lady was absolutely disgusting to listen to. And she also showed gnarly animal slaughter with ZERO warning and was completely traumatized!

[@phookiephook1043]

She doesn’t care about animals she just wants views. There are a bunch of KZbinrs who eat meat and are super fit and healthy and she can’t argue about them because they are fit then their are really great Vegan channels who give great advise and tips but she would never promote them if it doesn’t get her views or attention. She really just wants attention because she isn’t good at anything other than judging everyone for not being a 90 pound raisin like her. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@JennRighter]

Amen.

[@PortalLogout]

I have nut allergies which I could die from, and even I sometimes forget to check the label or miss the ingredient (although nuts are usually written in bold). Like people make mistakes

[@Raphtacular]

I'm celiac and I'm totally the same. Sometimes I just can't be bothered... It's not that I don't care, it just takes a lot of energy to be switched on all the time. Some people might have a problem with that but oh well 🤷‍♀️

[@isabella.amroyan]

same with me. i have celiac disease so i have to avoid gluten as if my life depended on it and there have been many times i accidentally ate gluten. it doesn’t mean i didn’t care to check or that i wasn’t trying, it just means i’m a human being who makes mistakes and i’ll definitely be able to tell if i had gluten cuz my stomach would be obliterated! i’m also dyslexic so i sometimes even have to ask someone in the store to read the ingredients to check for gluten if i think i might have missed something. this freelee chic needs to pop a xanax and chill the f out!

[@norap.4657]

Same, except i haven't had an allergic reaction in a while so idk how serious they are

[@ramoladsilva]

Same 🤷🏻‍♀️ I have an egg allergy and every six months I fuck up

[@SessVlogs]

Milk allergy here, and hard same. Plus, there’s milk in some really weird things that I’m not necessarily going to assume to check. And then there’s the whole “made in the same factory that handles x, y and z” and like…sometimes I’m just hungry and need a sandwich on my break so I can do my fucking job, so I take a gamble.

[@blueberrypomegranate]

As a 26 year old lady who's hasn't missed a jenna marbles video in years I am offended that she called jennas content mind numbing lol. Glad I don't follow the banana broad

[@JamiesChaos]

blueberrypomegranate I’m a 25 year old lady who never misses a Jenna Marbles video! ❤️ Jenna has some of the most wholesome content on the Internet it absolutely warms my heart and cheers me up when I need it. Banana brat can lay off our girl.

[@ConstantChaos1]

I'm an EMT if I didnt have some friendly fun disco ball-greenscreen-32year old-bunwitch nonsense to take my mind off shit I would be burnt out before I could even legally be an alcoholic (I'm 20 and in the states)

[@delirium789]

Love your profile picture

[@monafck]

her videos are "mind numbing" because she's doing things that make her happy and not actively being rude to people because they aren't following the exact diet you are

[@dinosuarzr0ck827]

23 y/o psych student, compassion fatigue is real and Jenna's content is a lovely break from the real world

[@maddiefern1267]

Also saying you need to watch animal torture videos to stay committed sounds a lot like cult-like emotional self flagellation.

[@GabyyRose]

Vegan/Vegetarian/Animal activits telling to people to "Watch Earthlings, it'll change your mind" are fcking assholes and I won't take any kind of counter argument to people defending people wanting to put others throught a traumatic documentary because it's apparently good for them. And I've seen so many people recommanding that it make me SO MAD

[@maddiefern1267]

Kougz right! I’ve never made it through earthlings and I don’t feel the need to because it upsets me

[@spacecase7566]

She had a photo of animal torture on her phone to remind her everyday of her mission.

[@malloryg4251]

Exactly my thoughts- it reminds me of an extreme religion where you constantly have to repent for your "sins." Anytime I watch a video where an animal is being abused, it doesn't make me feel newly committed to the cause of animal activism, it makes me want to jump off a cliff!! Instead, I prefer to watch videos of animals being rescued, to remind myself that there ARE good people in this world trying to help out, and I want to be part of that.

[@malloryg4251]

@@GabyyRose Earthlings messed me up so much and I only got through 20 minutes. I would never recommend that video to anyone or force people to look at disturbing images. I stopped following people online who constantly posted cruel pictures and videos. It just made me sick.

[@zsuzsmoux6109]

If anyone says anything negative about our 32 year old mega tall queen I will be throwing hands.

[@beccadallas]

Zsuzsmoux lets go!!!

[@singitdolly]

Oh shit!

[@skimblebanks]

the 6'11" legend will dunk on freelee at least five times

[@homebodycassidyofficial]

Im in!

[@kendram13]

You commented everything I wanted to say and more.. freelee better wAtCh OuT

[@bellini392]

... I thought jenna’s audience was just people who either like dogs or are generally exhausted isn’t that everyone

[@maggieholland8202]

Also people who are in need of a break. Not necessarily tired. Just need a break from the world to watch a 32 year old lady and her boyfriend do arts and crafts while her dogs seek attention

[@xonlyy0u]

Yup!! That's me lol

[@annahaynes5790]

An attack on Jenna Marbles is an attack on everything good in this world.

[@Vaneska59]

Yes.

[@RoseAngelWitch]

Facts.

[@Herziii1]

True!!

[@nicoletodd1380]

Accurate, no one comes for jenna and gets away with it

[@Sarahizahhsum]

Preach!

[@tash6319]

"Her diet is full of fried foods! So unhealthy!" Bold words coming from a woman who adds a table spoon of sugar to her fruit juice

[@oscarhen1420]

Tash i love that freelee thinks that juliens once a week cooking videos represents their whole diet lmao

[@shortyfry85]

*ladle

[@Vscustomprinting]

Coconut sugar has inulin in it... just saying

[@evab.6240]

Um what? If anything, she added coconut sugar, you make it sound like it's white sugar or something

[@dreamof_me]

Eva B. i’m pretty sure that coconut sugar hasn’t been shown to have a lower glycemic index independently

[@taneshanottanesha5456]

She protecc She attacc But most importantly, She got Jenna's bacc.

[@Max-tz2il]

:') fucc yeag

[@EllyFLuft]

Hell yeah!

[@supermaxx1]

Baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

[@anthonyfox585]

Tanesha Crews lol Jenna is awesome

[@mswalkingcorpse3280]

I like Jenna because she doesn't shove being vegan down people's throats she makes it look fun and not so hard.

[@racheltania4498]

She's been off and on again too right? She did a funny video several years ago where she shoved burgers in her mouth while crying. I think she's cycled back and forth between vegan and not, which is so totally fine. If anything, it makes her relatable.

[@guesswh4]

@@racheltania4498 I don't think I've seen that exact video, but is it possible it was a beyond burger? They do look a lot alike.

[@racheltania4498]

@@guesswh4 It was from maybe 5 years ago, and I am not sure those existed yet?

[@JaxiXD210XD]

Rachel Tania I think she mentioned in a podcast a while ago that she used to go on and off, but for maybe a couple years or so(?) she has not done that. She used to have non-vegan cheat days when she first started going vegan! :)

[@ajbratley9082]

Rachel Tania From what I remember she and Julien weren’t vegan 5 years ago. I think they’ve started a vegan diet in the past few years, maybe starting 4 years ago.

[@MoistNasa]

*Non-vegans and Vegans have come together to support our 32 year old queen*

[@evatovbe]

Can vegetarians come too?

[@seaqueen9694]

Non-vegan and Celiac disease gal here, WE MUST PROTECT JENNA

[@jennifertosspon6197]

Can understanding non-vegans be here? Bc I'm here and ready to do the protecc.

[@radiatorbacon5239]

@@jennifertosspon6197 yass we just got added to the comment 💁 we must protect Jenna at all cost. Shout the war cry HELL YEAH! I'll go home now.

[@jennholden4153]

OH HELL YEA!

[@gabbiearballo941]

Freelee's tone gives me anxiety, lots of underlying rage. She just needs to chill.

[@HOHGuncle1312]

G. Bee I think she hasn’t let go of her eating disorder and control issues with it

[@libbyquade3244]

It's all that sugar 😂

[@fionnrex9513]

@@HOHGuncle1312 yes absolutely.

[@Lifeofpeta]

Omg yessss 😂

[@marianna3253]

She clearly has lotof issues

[@Flofromprogressive]

I think at this point freelee is the vegan version of onision

[@InsoIence]

Actually... I thought that's what she was going to say in the video! :,)

[@Luxmundee]

I think she is the vegan Trump. Enough said.

[@chels6492]

Even she and Onision don’t get along. I don’t watch their content but I remember seeing a bunch of videos of them together and then an onision one denouncing her. So if crazy is saying your crazy, then you must REALLY be crazy 😂😂

[@Laurafulx]

please do not compare anyone to onision, very few in the world are as vile as him

[@grosebud4721]

Isarely Chavez at THIS point?! When was she NOT?!

[@thegingermommy]

NO ONE insults our vegan queen, jenna. she is literally the sweetest and most caring person ever. meanwhile freelee is the most problematic bully and makes the entire vegan community look bad.

[@athghost2256]

Breaking news: Freelee stepped on an ant at some point this year. Cancel her

[@anthonyfox585]

kai 😂

[@babyteethx]

i’m gonna be honest... i forgot freelee even existed 🤷‍♀️

[@letharja]

Me too, nice huh?

[@lynnanne8435]

I envy you...

[@phookiephook1043]

That’s why she puts Jenna’s name in her videos.

[@mollygrace3068]

YES!! I didn’t think she even still did the banana thing or the raw til four thing until I saw a video of a dietician reviewing her daily diet. Haven’t thought about her for years.

[@stephaniebeffanie8956]

Who is she? I don’t know her.

[@hinduhillbilly]

Jenna Marbles, with her low-key, no big deal veganism and overall kindness to animals AND people, does more for animals and veganism than Freelee the Bananaz Girl's snide judgemental perfection will EVER do. She is the kind of vegan who drives people to meat in reaction to her hatefulness.

[@arwenthegreat]

This comment!!!!! Yes

[@bempoucasombra7098]

My first contact with veganism was through people like Freelee and lemme tell ya I hated it Took me YEARS to change my mind about veganism, and I can only thank people like Jenna for showing me Not All Vegans Are Assholes and being a vegan wont turn you into a literal Human Butthole

[@maddiwiser7167]

Absolutely.

[@bempoucasombra7098]

@@hilomona its not "you were mean to me so I wont care about animal abuse anymore", because 99.9999% of FreeLee and other shitty youtubers like her will NEVER be personally attacked by them, and most looked up veganism BECAUSE they care either about their health or the animal abuse. It's more like "I wish I could educate myself about this subject and lifestyle, but the proeminent spokespeople are so judgmental, cruel, and inflexible, that I'm afraid to be joining in a hateful cult-like movement where I will never be good enough and might turn into an asshole too" kind of feel.

[@sevans1414]

Yes!! She models the best parts of veganism.

[@viannaise]

Jenna’s videos aren’t “revolutionary”??? Okay freeleee literally makes the same content over and over spitting the same rhetoric in every video.

[@MoaMorgenstern]

Right?! Jenna is a revolutionary QUEEN!

[@maggieholland8202]

Who else turns their hair into a hot wheels track? Blows bubbles with their hair? Does excellent arts and crafts with a lovely ares sidekick? Turns their boyfriend into a bratz doll? A revolutionary QUEEN

[@ihateyouall7026]

Maggie Holland I like Jenna but I don’t think you know what revolutionary means.

[@ritsudokidoki]

Also, Julien has a few videos of them visiting an animal sanctuary near them where they fell in love with a cow... and adopted her. As in paid for the cow's needs until the cow passed away. But I guess Freelee can't do all of the research.

[@TJustMeT]

and he got her tattooed on his arm for the rest of his life! Guess that's not enough of a connection for bananabrain girl

[@motolumpy1216]

I didn't know about this, yay, another reason to love Julien

[@clovesbian]

Omg?? That’s so cute!!!!

[@mintyalpaca]

“I think she’s got a hamster” how dare you insult ad like that

[@katereid8992]

Christine Payne RIP ad

[@arieldanielle23]

Just the fact that she doesn't know that Ad died shows that she doesn't really keep up with her channel, and probably only watched the videos she's referencing because someone probably tweeted her about them because *fake vegan alert system*

[@maddielabb2278]

AD DIDNT DIE FOR THIS

[@betterrunforyourlife]

Okay totally not on Freelees side AT ALL but she did put "RIP AD" text in her video when she mentioned it.

[@betterrunforyourlife]

25:40

[@raedar3570]

Jenna is too wholesome for this LMAO

[@bubblegumplastic]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Jenna has such positive and thoughtful energy, trying to act like she's a drama source is ridiculous lol.

[@lisa5hot]

bubblegumplastic 100 million times agreed!!! Freelee got nothing left to say lmao what a joke

[@ktsb1563]

I mean tbh Jenna and Julian have done a lot more to inspire me to become vegan than Freelee ever has.

[@dramasbomin]

Freelee seems like the type of vegan that would force a vegan diet on their cat.

[@SuperGamerGirl555]

dramasbomin oh my god! You don’t know how many people I’ve argued with about this.

[@anzedanzedyr]

Didn’t she feed her dogs a vegan diet?

[@kasairan8492]

NeverHide dogs can be vegan, cats can’t

[@Janeoffools]

Anybody doing that should be charged with animal abuse

[@user-ix4nq9yz8k]

Ran Kasai even if they could.. just why xD ?

[@adjasjdkdk9891]

let's not ask the girl who said missing periods is healthy and blamed heavy menstruation solely on a "toxic diet" who is and isn't a terrible vegan

[@garypack1709]

All vegans are terrible

[@garypack1709]

@@unabruja624No I will not shut up Vegans are simple stupid people who have been indoctrinated into a cult

[@garypack1709]

@@unabruja624 Yes you understand , good Joining a vegan cult is very ignorant I am so happy to have reached someone You are welcome

[@marianaamoedo5942]

I should talk to her, I'm eating worse now than 20 years ago and my period is getting better

[@amelie9364]

@@garypack1709 haha good joke 😂

[@DemyrNox]

Missing honey on a label is really easy too, because unlike milk or eggs, it's not in bold letters and is usually near the end of the list.

[@Sarah-pl8rp]

Yes. That’s because honey isn’t one of the top eight allergens. It’s similar with being gluten free. There have been times when I’ve skimmed the label and because there wasn’t wheat listed at the bottom, I assumed it was gluten free. My stomach suffered after...

[@2702-i9i]

Yes!!! I accidentally ate some granola bar or something and it was sweetened with honey. This is still unfortunate but still better than accidentally eating something with meat I think

[@pinkeysherbet7249]

Also there are vegans who choose to eat honey to support bee populations, so from what I understand honey is one of those "vegan's choice" foods anyway. To come after Jenna for honey is fucking weak lol

[@annabelcrescibene4257]

Wylde Fyre I feel the same way. I have a cinnamon allergy and often I miss it because it just says spices.

[@user-ds3ow7cy6m]

Yeah, especially when you’re in a rush and can’t triple check the label, recently I bought a cereal with honey in it, luckily I saw before opening it.

[@shwetaswaminathan6401]

Also omg, Julien making more junk food is what's convincing me to transition more from vegetarian to vegan, it comforts me to know that I can still have my tasty food once in a while.

[@RainCheck797]

And he just did chinese food the otherday 😍

[@natmarie864]

Isnt refusing to consume honey adding to colony collapse? It doesnt hurt the bees at all, if anything it benefits the bees to purchase local honey because that will support bee keepers. Happy bees make honey, sad bees dont.

[@eckopeace7068]

In the beginning i of my veganism of my veganism i didn't understand as well. But try to look at it like that. Often Bees dying in the process and they may have a shorter live due to farming. But lets pretend it isn't like this. Why should someone eat honey, with so many alternativs on the Market. Bees need their honey, we don't.

[@spiderlily723]

@@eckopeace7068 Because bees overproduce honey, because no sugar alternative is free of side effects (xylitol gives you diarrhea, agave nectar harvesting is adding to the endangerment of bats who feed on it, etc.), because despite what some vegans think SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIPS ACTUALLY EXIST?

[@eckopeace7068]

@@spiderlily723 i don't want to tell you, what you should or shouldn't eat. It is just that vegans believe, that is better to not to eat products where animals are getting harmed. Symbiotic realtionships means both induviduals gets a profit from the relationship. When only we take honey it is more like a parasite. But whatever, do whatever you like, i just want to explain why it isn't vegan. Have a nice day.

[@spiderlily723]

@@eckopeace7068 Parasites actively harm their host, that's why they're parasites. Good bee-keeping means you take care of the bees, provide housing, make sure they survive in non-optimal weather, provide them with plants to pollinate and in exchange you get to harvest honey.

[@eckopeace7068]

@@spiderlily723 thank you for claryfing that, have you already seen Industrial farmed honey? Maybe they are normally mit killed on purpose but is it worth? I would recommend to watch a KZbin Video about this subject.

[@rawglowkristina]

Playing vegan border patrol is getting old. Someone, please buy that woman her own special hat and a notepad, so she can look more believeable and then let’s call it a day. Honey is not vegan, but neither is botox.

[@mj-yo7vt]

TheKristinaH or palm oil

[@nicksurfs1]

Plus I’d say honey is debated as vegan or not in the vegan world so we just have an understanding not to push each other on it because both interpretations are pretty valid.

[@annabortion7866]

LOL

[@h.thumbsthomas5479]

OOOOOOOOO shiiiiiit

[@kawaiikawaiianimegirl4144]

She watched to much Scott Pilgrim and she wants to be Vegan Police too

[@mikaela4180]

Freelee constantly talking about how Jenna might be "slipping" sounds exactly like extreme religious rhetoric

[@itwasnevraphase]

Exactly my first thought.

[@humanzarentreal]

All extremists sound like this it's like comparing the crusades (freelee) and Buddhists (Jenna and Julien) lol

[@givemeattention4163]

Mikaela especially when she talks about hanging out with non vegan people and that she's being influenced by them... creepy

[@fionnrex9513]

@@givemeattention4163 implying non vegans are bad people u shouldnt be freinds with...so creepy

[@kyra7849]

So does the "you've been hanging around non vegans!" Rhetoric

[@JacobMichael]

WOWIE.. Who even goes after Jenna Marbles? 🙄 Not saying she is above being questioned, but honestly.. She's arguably one of the most POSITIVE big KZbinrs. ALSO LOL AT "I don't disable my comments" 😂

[@shantimarty4901]

I also find it funny that she has cats and used the word “catty” to descried her action 😄. But I’m just a tad immature/wird like that 🙈😂

[@retrosavi431]

Julien is the reason I am even working towards veganism. I always had that stereotype in the back of my head that vegan food is gross and bland but the stuff Julien makes looks hella delicious, sometimes even more delicious than the non-vegan equivalents. Freelee was the reason I vehemently opposed veganism when I was younger.

[@jadecunningham240]

RetroSavi exactly

[@Maya-bk8wv]

This describes me so much omg

[@veronicae2291]

Why I watch Jenna's "mind numbing videos" 1. Because I need a brake from my stressful job 2. Because being an adult at all times is not fun, and getting to be childish for half an hour once a week is not bad, I'd say its necessary. 3. Because Jenna is the most wholesome person I know on this platform.

[@willow612]

Same, she helps me when I'm having anxiety attacks:)

[@Moji710]

Yaaaaas! Jenna is Queen. ❤️❤️❤️ That banana lady is the most disgusting personality I have ran into on KZbin.

[@whichline8408]

yea i look forward to wednesdays/thursdays cus jenna's videos are like the highlight of my week

[@LostApotheosis]

Jenna has single handedly quashed my fears of growing older. I know now that transitioning into adulthood and becoming an adult full time doesn't have to be joyless. You can be selfish and kind at the same time and that's wonderful.

[@JaxiXD210XD]

TheCurvyGamer me too! I’m 21 so I’m still pretty young(?) and Jenna & Julien make me actually pretty excited to get older. They seem like they’ve found a really good balance of being responsible adults and still having fun

[@Angela-lp3lz]

Jenna’s casual/ non-judgemental veganism has probably done a better job of inspiring others/ reducing the demand for animal products than freelee.

[@Zeldabruhh]

Freesia Laxa THIS

[@kayla5978]

Soooo true

[@kaitlinbenz255]

There's so many adults who watch Jenna's content because we were kids & teenagers when she started on KZbin. So crazy Freelee thinks her audience is kids when I'm positive it's majority adults.

[@Alicehad3cats]

Yeah, I really doubt that a lot kids would watch a 20-30 min slow paced video of Jenna walking her dogs or painting. I feel like her energy and style are more suited to young adults and up

[@weasleynmunatoti]

She makes videos for anyone who is a ✨32-year old laaaadyyy ✨ in their heart

[@jannamallory7885]

I just started watching her a couple months ago for her 32yr old lady content lol

[@dennispie5532]

That's for sure, I'm 25 year old lAaAdDyY and watch every single one of her videos

[@isthecarpetcomfortable9410]

I'm 19 and I love Jenna, her videoes are genuinely funny

[@Violetwazhere]

Why does FreeLee talk like being vegan is a personality trait

[@mayadelaneys]

Cuz it's the only thing her personality revolves around.

[@Stevie-oy8zj]

Because she’s boring and pathetic and she is a narcissist. It’s all about her. And her being the best vegan in the world lol

[@janetclark5668]

Her judgemental shout outs are like running fingernails down a blackboard, horribly irritating voice.

[@AliS-ml7nd]

The thing is the Jenna and Julien also eat gluten free, which is hard enough. So any effort to go animal product free should be commended in my opinion. And Julien also shows certain recipes that are suitable for him, so can also introduce celiacs who may be intimidated by vegetarianism/veganism etc.

[@xxistoleurcookiexx]

I’m GF and this is so important to consider, I wanted some bread as we’re going on a trip soon and it’s a nice treat and literally every single GF bread in the store I went to had egg in. I mostly eat vegan but I’m GF for digestive issues and it’s hard to find things that work

[@shakiras5679]

Yes!! If you have a dietary restriction it can be SO much harder for you to be vegan. I have a nut allergy and SO many “vegan” products or recipes contain nuts and it is one of the reasons why I am not vegan. Sorry Freelee ✌🏼

[@ThimbleFox350]

Without human interaction honey bees do not survive in nature so when you refuse to eat honey, you are killing honey bees.

[@ThimbleFox350]

@DingleBungus there's plenty of other types of bees in the wild but the kind we use to harvest and gather honey are a domesticated breed, they have been in human captivity longer than we've domesticated cats... as far as them surviving in the wild perhaps they do in their native habitat but not here in the rural US where I'm from, beekeepers have a hard enough time keeping them alive while protected let alone in the wild

[@Veronica-fc9td]

Yeah yeah yeah

[@ripirene]

those who don't watch animal exploitation videos regularly did you mean: *normal people*

[@vigtoria8123]

Honestly I don’t get how she can do that. The few videos I have seen made me sick to my stomach. But they didn’t make me want to go vegan either

[@alisaishere]

I'm numb to those videos because I've been on enough farms to see animals slaughtered in real life. I do better following farm sanctuaries on instagram and seeing happy animals getting another chance at life. (But I'm also not fully vegan yet, thanks stomach issues)

[@meRguitarLUVR]

@@vigtoria8123 how does that not make you want to go vegan after seeing that horrendous slaughter:/?

[@queenofcups88]

👆🙌👏👏

[@emmajanofsky]

Haley .JustHaley it’s not necessary to go vegan after seeing that. people like meat. they just need to make sure they are buying it from an ethical and reliable source. with no growth hormones added and pure, 100%, organically and ethically raised.

[@User_87937]

Freelee wishes she could be The 32-Year-Old Lady

[@JacklynCunningham]

Love the capital haha The KZbin Queen

[@kevinpatrickcarey3741]

especially when she looks 50

[@darcymatissa]

Life as a "grown up" is nothing without play. Jenna Marbles validates my belief that we can be simultaneously grownup and ridiculous. That combination makes the shitty parts of life much more bearable. Thanks UV :)

[@Starsim99]

This has the same energy as Jake Paul calling Cody Ko a cyberbully. What is it with these problematic youtubers trying to vilify people just minding their business?

[@looksleft]

v i e w s

[@KERYNN007]

^^^ views, yeah.

[@Nalanzazu]

J&J have made veganism and gluten free veganism so incredibly accessible.

[@angiefawn2578]

Literally, jenna and julien are so committed to veganism. Freelee was just wanting to clickbait and get views for this tbh. There are way more important issues than people who are vegan making a little mistake

[@willowmuck]

Angie Fawn yes!!!!!!! First thing I thought. Click. Bait. Freelee and her channel have been dwindling. And freelee has been trolling Instagram and hitting allllllllllll the popular KZbins and looking for reasons to make videos with their names so she gets those views!!!!

[@Yomika14xyukina44]

Angie Fawn i know right ?

[@lillianvalla5808]

It's so stupid of freelee. She's loosing so many friends from this

[@marysmother1152]

Freelee is the last person who should be judging anyone's eating habits. She literally puts sugar in orange juice, a juice that is already naturally sweet enough. She can sit and gorge herself on sugar while judging everyone else who does the same. Cannot stand the woman.

[@marysmother1152]

@@lillianvalla5808 Wait. She *HAD* friends? Shocking.

[@mattuwu9978]

Regarding the honey, I’m a bee farmer in training, and I want to clarify that we aren’t cruel to our bees in any way. They live naturally, but call our hives their home. A single bee makes 1/12th of a teaspoon of honey in their entire life, but they only eat less than a quarter of that amount. Bees produce large quantities of excess honey that they simply don’t use. We harvest that excess and use it. Bee farms like ours are the only reason bee populations are even alive today. The natural honey bee, an insect that’s absolutely essential to the environment, is dying out due to pollution and habitat encroachment. It’s the hard truth, and the only way we’ll be able to sustain the population is through controlled bee farms. The only way many vegetables, produce, and flower species will survive is through controlled and monitored bee populations. Please, if you want to support the bees, buy organic honey. It does no harm to the bees, but actually helps them massively.

[@debanydoombringer1385]

You are way over stating honey bees role. It's not because of bee farmers that bees are alive today. Yes native bees are insects, but so are honey bees so I'm not sure why you felt the need to make that distinction. Honey bees are an invasive species and contrary to the picture you are attempting to paint, are responsible for a miniscule amount of pollination minus almond farms. There is a new species that's here now harming the wild bee because it's aggressive and guards any area it claims for pollination. There is no where near enough honey bees to even begin to replace the wild bee nor can there be because they can't survive the winters in many areas like wild ones can.

[@chloro8306]

The honey bee is a non-native species in most of the world and competes with native pollinator species. Stop spreading this blatant lie.

[@LostApotheosis]

@@chloro8306 Not to be rude, but maybe they don't know this? Its better to educate than accuse.

[@JenCouture716]

Matthew Jensen sane reason they should just eat local and organic dairy and egg products too.

[@unicornburgers302]

J Couture bees are kept in much different conditions then cows and chickens

[@JennRighter]

Jenna has done more for veganism than Freelee could ever dream of.

[@TinaVegan]

Technically she could, that is as long as she advocate veganism in other areas. Veganism was never about just food. But it was never about making random videos on youtubers either. You see the circus that is the vegan movement today is not taken seriously and "we" eat MORE MEAT THAN EVER. Veganism is often seen as just a diet trend or associated with being extreme and a bit crazy. Whatever vegans are doing at the moment, it is not translating to the supermarked which is a dissapointment

[@user-zk5cn3mp6q]

OMG is that ur hair in ur pfp??? If it is then it looks amazing!

[@Finalgirl-daydreams]

I am considering going back to vegetarian/vegan lifestyle because of Julien and jenna

[@jumbo4billion]

Jenna is the good kind of crazy

[@frogtime5963]

jenna and julien have showed me u can be vegan and still enjoy great food and that u don’t just have to eat salads 24/7

[@eastender6846]

I love that. Who would have thought you could eat beef and brocolli with homemade egg rolls for dinner? YUM!

[@superh8245]

Also that they do struggle sometimes. It's such a relief. Makes me actually want to try to be better about my food choices

[@Roxette2541]

Or in freely's case just fruit juice 24/7 xD

[@linguinec9984]

louise shulgin One of the points of the video was that vegans make mistakes. Those were TWO instances of the years that they’ve been openly vegan online. Julien makes plenty of vegan/GF friendly cooking videos, it’s really opening up a lot of non vegans to the lifestyle. So really I’d say they’re doing more good than harm. :)

[@harperreinn6899]

louise shulgin Promoting ramen noodles..? by putting them on her nails..? And nOT eating and even saying they were disgusting. Oh my god shut up and go eat a salad or some shit.

[@RareCandeh]

"I don't disable my comments" OOOOOOOOOOO GET HER JADE

[@Jadeikens]

Notmatt who’s jade?

[@hyperluke1034]

Jadeikens it’s from drag race

[@Ladytasya]

@@Jadeikens it is a famous quote with drag race.

[@MademoiselleCl3]

*WHIP SOUND*

[@ConstantChaos1]

I would not be surprised if freely uses tang as highlighter

[@tobeornottobe911]

I forgot Freelee was Australian and when she opened her mouth, I immediately had a reaction to both square up and apologise for her representing us aussies.

[@Stevie-oy8zj]

RIGHT. I hate it

[@shoesofbilliejoe]

me: i'm over vegantube, why am i here, i'm not even vegan me two days later: WHO'S TALKING BAD ABOUT JENNA????

[@juliavazquez5222]

shoesofbilliejoe yes protect Jenna at all costs

[@BoogieBitch69]

MEEEEEE!!!!!!

[@danielle8877]

@J R oh my God me too

[@danielle8877]

@J R yes! I watched her back when she had dreads and did all those crazy crash diets. and shes not even vegan anymore 😂

[@Dennise_Who]

Same!

[@sandihj]

Jenna and Julien’s videos of helping their rescue greyhound, Bunny, adapt to her new life filled with love and compassion, do a thousand times more toward promoting a commitment to animal welfare than any of the animal torture porn that Freelee promotes. And that more than compensates for a molecule of homey and another molecule of chicken stock.

[@nyxynoo7903]

sandihj - Sometimes manufacturers change ingredients in products. We have been caught this way when buying our usual brands which were safe for our daughter’s allergies. She had a reaction and I had to go through the pantry to discover which product caused it.

[@its_raining2472]

And whatever happened to freelee's dog figsy?

[@blommastrass]

Absolutely!

[@mortimerjames218]

Yessss!

[@carrie_ell]

Right!

[@mimimicamica]

I was watching this video and then I went to Julien's chanel to see his cooking videos and then I realized that this video is on Julien's liked videos, TEA

[@BatyBug]

eh shut up this video? The one we’re watching right now? That’s amazing.

[@strawberrycherrybaby]

this is hilarious lmao thank you for seeing that

[@justcallmeteacup4711]

Lol I love that. Julien always keeps a positive and friendly energy on his channel, but he isn't a pushover. I remember he had to make a video addressing the parents who were allowing (and driving) their children to go to their actual house and hang around trying to meet Jenna. He was (understandably) blunt and no nonsense about it

[@AmethystEyes]

Freelee is jealous, and is super obvious. Especially when she tries to belittle Jenna’s channel and audience. She dislikes the fact that Jenna is more beloved than she is. Jenna is an example of what a vegan should be. She also doesn’t force it on people or judge other people for not being vegan. She talks about it and it’s actually gotten many people into it from watching her channel. Leafy is the obnoxious and stereotypical example of a vegan that makes people not like vegans. She turns people off to veganism especially with her attitude.

[@skyemurphy3228]

the amount of effort jenna & julien put into their veganism and sustainability cannot be put back by accidentally eating honey. she's acting like she accidentally ate a steak.

[@oklahomaproud6665]

Skye Esprit and even if they ate one steak, that wouldn’t undo the progress they’ve made. It’s still way better than most of the population

[@Donteverlook4videos]

Not eating honey is killing the bees. Harvesting honey does NOT hurt the bees. Using agave as a substitute is actually killing bats. Honey should be considered vegan.

[@nirvanakamala2809]

I agree with you!! Also Ur so pretty

[@saintnicole3209]

Exactly! And honey doesn’t even harm bees. Beekeepers are providing homes and care for a dying species. Idk. I agree with you!

[@carolinevale7569]

I literally misread this as “ate a seal” 😂

[@cyb0rgirl]

"Watching animal exploitation regularly" girl that CANT be good for your mental health

[@hannah_mithamende]

cyb0rgirl I would have depression. Really.

[@madtingz2288]

She also said she has dead animals as her lock screen to “remind her” of the torture..... like girl.

[@maenad1231]

This would be like me watching obese autopsy and gastric bypass videos regularly to remind myself why I exercise and eat healthy

[@oliviaarslan1836]

cyb0rgirl I watched a video of the (halal) slaughter of a pregnant cow. They executed her then took her baby out and beheaded it. It fucked me up so so bad. I still cry when I think about it. She looked at her killer so innocently right before he killed her. I’m still “damaged” by it.

[@veoh112]

It does... watching animal violence of any kinds even in books makes me sick.

[@strawberryhoney420]

JENNA AND JULIEN LITERALLY INVITED HER TO THEIR HOUSE. They were so polite and nice on the podcast they featured her in. I can’t speak on how they acted outside the podcast, but whats with this 180??

[@HOHGuncle1312]

Genna Sitero reaching for clout, relevancy and probably needs money

[@strawberryhoney420]

Jayden Desino you’re very right. She saw that sub to view ratio and freaked tf out.

[@lateral-alice]

That was years ago when she went to their house. The reason for the 180 is in the video! Jenna is obviously not vegan anymore because she's not bothering to read food labels before buying stuff full of honey, chicken fat, eggs & milk product.

[@tabbycat3610]

@@lateral-alice stfu

[@Ari180_RE]

@@lateral-alice Where's the proof? You can't use any examples freelee used so make sure it's actually something new.

[@ameliej6690]

Why does comedy on KZbin have to be “revolutionary”? Why can’t comedy just BE comedic, without some greater message? Also, is freelee implying that Jenna’s older content (the stuff freelee used to watch) was revolutionary????

[@kisstwobirds]

Yes it was very revolutionary to put a fake mustache on and show how guys drive a car, I can’t believe she stopped fighting the good fight

[@pockies7446]

I wanna like this but it's got 69 likes and I dont wanna fuck that up so I'll just leave a comment saying I like this :)

[@Goat.Cheese]

I think most Jenna Marbles fans are actually in their 20's and 30's. Freelee just doesn't really know what she's talking about

[@ipetzombies]

Yeah, she's one of the few very popular KZbinrs that I find makes content that's more interesting to adults than content suited to kids.

[@berniceanderson539]

I am 58 and a fan of Jenna Marbles

[@Ash_theanimesimp]

I'm in my mid 20s and that's true I'll look at the comments and I see more 30 + people then 20s or even younger

[@meowser1905]

Not to mention a lot of Jenna's fans grew up into their 20s and 30s watching her

[@ChristinaWoodall]

40s here as well 🤘🤘

[@Iron_Stigmata]

Freelee is low-key a woman version of Onision. Similar delusions, narcissism, and obsessions with the past. I LOVE Jenna's videos, she's genuinely lovely and absolutely hilarious. I'm 22.

[@jaderamirez857]

Misha Rogerson especially when she said that Jenna doesn’t make revolutionary content...as if Freelee makes anything worth watching either lol the delusions of grandeur are real

[@unknownlifeform8458]

Completely agree.

[@bellajaid]

I don't watch a ton of her videos, but they are really good. I love when we see her hammys. I'm 29

[@moxiousch]

@@jaderamirez857 Jenna's content IS revolutionary. Her self-mocking and absurdist humour is very unique in the youtube sphere. Her humour does NOT go after other people, she does things that make herself laugh even if it's hilariously dumb (in a good way!). And her empathetic, loving personality is so obvious, even despite her money and fame on the platform. Freelee is blowing smoke out of her ass and I'm pissed off that she's coming for my precious animal-loving cinnamon roll.

[@Iron_Stigmata]

@@moxiousch A concept of empathy and boundaries is absolutely revolutionary in the current KZbin climate, you're totally right

[@hollymiller4190]

THIS TITLE. I love the 32-year-old lady! I still get embarrassed that I used to like Freelee. I've never had this many likes! I'm happy it happened on a channel with someone who is so intelligent! Love you guys! Oh... And I'm 30. And I honestly think I'm less childish than Freelee and Harley were when they were my age.

[@Addelorme20]

Holly Miller you still must credit her for the large number of people she inspired to become vegans

[@adrian_hook]

I think *we all* still get embarrassed that we used to like Freelee

[@michellestratton9732]

Me too!!! I can’t believe I use to force myself to eat 8 bananas for breakfast 😂😂 so brainwashed. I got a stomach ache every time 😂

[@haylaebay]

@@Addelorme20 um no we must not. Brainwashing is a better term for what she did to thousands of young girls, myself included

[@rosefitz7694]

I used to love That Vegan Couple we’re in the same boat my love

[@DavidBittt]

Julien liked your video! It’s in his likes playlist on his channel.

[@leoness726]

Does Jenna even say that she bought that ramen? Was it bought for this purpose? Because I have several non-vegan dry products in my pantry that I still use because I'm not just going to throw away food. Me throwing away my Progresso bread crumbs isn't going to unmilk the cow or reverse my payment to the Progresso company for this product. It's entirely possible that Jenna had a couple of packets of ramen noodles she wasn't going to eat sitting in her pantry. Either from literally years ago or maybe something she bought in one of her off periods over the years or during a moment of weakness on a bad day when she needed comfort food... you know, because she's human. That would be my automatic assumption... this is something that was collecting dust in the pantry. Or maybe she asked someone to pick up some ramen for her and forget to specify or consider the flavor and this is what was grabbed. Or she was in a hurry and just didn't think because this kind of ramen is barely food and it just didn't register in her head. Or maybe she is in an off phase right now and slipped and is not currently vegan. IT'S NO ONE'S BUSINESS. Freelee is the absolute essence of why people hate vegans. Honestly, she is just the grossest.

[@TheFago1]

Debra B and they post mate stuff all the time! Maybe a post mate grabbed the wrong one. Shit happens.

[@eviec7303]

maybe she had bought it for when her family was over her parents and her brothers family are not vegan like she could have bought it for her niece kids love ramen like it’s none of banana girls business

[@suchnothing]

She got it for the video because it's the ramen the other people used when they made ramen nails. All the same, it was a single pack of noodles for a video, it doesnt negate Jenna's veganism.

[@julieboolie4070]

@@eviec7303 My exact thoughts!

[@chesirecat136]

Honestly, this was my first thought. Ramen can last for awhile so maybe Julien bought it and she wanted to use it to get rid of it without eating it. Maybe a friend gave it to her and said "how hilarious would it be if you made nails out of this" and she used it since it was already bought.

[@oliviabirmingham7007]

We don't need a few people being vegan perfectly to make a difference, we need millions of people doing their best (imperfectly!) to make a big impact on the environment, our food supply etc.

[@Delight101ful]

Thank you! I have a lot of vegan friends, some of them have introduced me to some of the most delicious meals out there, but since I have a nut allergy, I cannot participate fully in veganism. I know a lot of people have dietary restrictions that make everyday eating much more challenging, and sometimes going fully vegan will affect that. I do my best to remove meat and milk from my diet (which is extremely difficult in a Hispanic household, my dad makes carne asada every week) and increase the amount of vegetables and fruits to my diet, but it’s an effort. Hopefully, one day, people can enjoy food while still being aware of the impact they make with their food choices and care for the planet AND those that live on it.

[@lizshepherd354]

Bingo! I doubt I'll ever go 100% vegan, but I make a conscious effort to limit my consumption of meat because it's a practical (for me) way that I can have a positive impact on the environment. At this point I probably only eat meat 1 or 2 days a week. And it's not like I miss it! If everyone did this, the world would be such a better place with so much less animal suffering and an overall healthier global ecosystem. And it wouldn't require a huge shift in lifestyle, which is something that most people just find intimidating, if not outright impossible depending on their situation.

[@cristlewrite7944]

Agreed so much. "It's the little things" is a good saying. Everyone is in a different place in their life...you can only try so hard if you also want to keep your mental health, especially if you have other stressors in life. I'm vegetarian, not vegan because I'm at a point in my life were it would not be practical (for many long reasons) and we're I can't mentally deal with the stress of more societal judgment about my diet... I mean, my family almost disowned me when I went vegetarian lol. Meat eaters included, everyone has their reasons. Shade never made anyone less omnivorous (yes that's a Taylor reference). I started being vegetarian by making small changes. As silly as it sounds, that first step was learning HOW TO FIND vegetarian recipes (I'm not entirely sure I knew they existed😂). Apparently all you have to do is google 'vegetarian recipes'. WHO KNEW??? Then I started eating a flexitarian diet and slowly (like over the course of 2 YEARS) became vegetarian. But you know what? I still eat sushi sometimes because it's my mom's favourite thing to do with me and I love her more than fish . But you know what? I love to challenge myself to make vegan recipes and I actively support/defend vegan products/people. (Almost) everyone is trying to do good. The causes we support and the ways we show our love for humanity/ the planet may be different, but we are all trying to accomplish the same goal.

[@Koselill]

Thats why meatless monday is making its round around the world! I love vegan and non vegan food and I cant give meat fully up, but I know sustaining from meat a couple of times a week can help!!

[@Sophassofa]

I have OAS (oral allergy syndrome) and I’m allergic to a good 25 types of fruit, veg and most nuts out there to being vegan to me is pretty much impossible unless I wanna live off bananas and tangerines and some people need to realise dietary requirements are a thing

[@sarahmccrea18]

if she comin for my favourite 32 year old lady she gonna catch these hands

[@alyxskyler]

👏👏👏

[@maria-rl2fu]

Not to mention it's IMPOSSIBLE to be a "perfect" vegan or a PERFECTLY ethical person period. Like does freelee look into every brand of every product to make sure that every material is ethically and sustainably sourced? Does she research every piece of clothing to make sure it or the material it's made from didn't come from a sweatshop? Sounds like someone who is clearly reaching and obviously name dropping for nothing but notoriety and views. Edit: Someone literally commented on her "off grid shower" video that the pipes she uses aren't vegan because "plastics manufacturers use animal fat additives to improve material properties and/or to aid in the processing of raw polymers." I don't know about that but POINT PROVEN. A taste of her own medicine perhaps?

[@StargazinGummybears]

I enjoy Julien's cooking videos, because it feels more like "a chef who happens to be vegan," than "a vegan chef". Making veganism seem like an incidental characteristic, I think, shifts the potential target audience from only vegans to people who like to eat.

[@ThatMackieGirl]

Yeah honestly!! I'm not vegan/GF (far from it...) but I cook his stuff all the time on meatless Mondays just because of how good it is.

[@pollyrawcliffe9416]

Yes!! Couldn't have put it better myself

[@crazypazygirlygills]

I also love that Julien's recipes are accessible for regular people. It's meals people can actually make reasonably and eat on a regular basis that are satiating and flavorful!!

[@Jess.Anderson]

Yesss. I agree so much!

[@anastaciazara1787]

I never would've guessed Chicken Ramen actually had chicken in it. I always assumed it was fake seasoning.

[@kenza_wenza]

Depends on the brand, some are at least vegetarian but other contain chicken stock 😊

[@lisadevries1099]

I eat a duck ramen all the time and it's vegan, while at the same time the vegetable ramen of that brand is not 😂

[@sennah9890]

@@lisadevries1099 lol same

[@LolaOpheliac]

no way would it be this cheap if it had actual chicken in it imo

[@AeroMysticLifestyle]

I always thought “chicken FLAVOR” on the bag didn’t mean actual chicken lol

[@JennRighter]

Oh and I'm not sure if you watch the JennaJulien podcast, but they shouted you out a few weeks ago.

[@sarahc4194]

Which one?

[@SowwyIDied]

um did you watch because she mentions that in the video

[@JennRighter]

Honeydew blue I keep commenting as I'm watching, lol. I was also at the pool so I lost internet connection. Thanks for letting me know! I'm still only 12 mins in.

[@JennRighter]

Sarah C 236 Q & A ☺️

[@silvergarcia9897]

I think she's done it a few times

[@aimee.marie.cherie]

"fried food is bad!1!1!!1"....says the 32 year old woman who ADDS SUGAR TO HER FRUIT JUICE

[@UmuPadoru]

So? Knowing something is bad (and saying so) for you is one thing, actually steering clear of it is an entirely different matter

[@waluigi6410]

Your body ruins on sugar, not fat

[@Shortkingharry]

It's not like they went to a steakhouse and got huge porterhouse steaks. Freelee needs to have several seats.

[@hannahfleenor9864]

Unnatural Vegan out here protecting everyone like the mom she is 😭 thank God

[@randimatthews8092]

should call her mama vegan

[@hannahfleenor9864]

Randi Matthews actually yes

[@thevirtualzookeeper8226]

Brah you cant attack jenna marbles. Jenna marbles is the closest we have to perfection and the perfect example of a genuine person. Jenna's videos are so wholesome and good lmao.

[@SoulDelSol]

@I like Potatoes the wall

[@SoulDelSol]

@I like Potatoes remember old school ones like "3 looks". Once she made it channel with her different sappy pushover hipster boyfriends i lost interest. I mean she marketed herself as "sexual Wednesdays". Maybe she's wholesome now idk but it used to be all about dick jokes and panties and stuff

[@angelacuebasmercado4036]

@@SoulDelSol that shit happened like 5 years ago, literally who fucking cares about what she did with her ex? Her content now is very wholesome and enjoyable

[@larag3747]

Maybe watching these extremely violent animal abuse content constantly is making her a little too extreme and crazy... Just maybe.... Maybe she should calm down a little, have a glass of water idk

[@Kknderbueno]

You know who I could see being able to watch animal torture videos every single day without experiencing burn out? Someone who lacks empathy.

[@skelet0r23]

Judging from Freelee's other callout videos, she 100% lacks empathy. She can't put herself in someone else's shoes AT ALL.

[@ComaLies225]

Was about to make that same comment. Would t be surprised if she enjoys it actually

[@trappnest4490]

If she was really committed to her ideas she wouldn't have to be reminded why she believes in what she believes in.

[@marypalmer00]

yep

[@aBirdAndHisBoy]

...didn't Freelee move to the jungle and stop wearing clothes..?

[@ronneisemunoz7374]

I thought so 😁😁

[@babydoll6664]

She disabled comments on her video about Jenna because she knew everyone would come for her😂

[@sophiebirch1672]

I mean look at the dislike bar. I remember the time she dragged Zoe Sugg down for making Easter treats. Bear in mind that Zoe Sugg has never been vegan, only really did baking videos occasionally on her channel and acknowledges that her lifestyle is not the healthiest.

[@peaceten9]

Freelee doesn’t understand how her behaviour can affect her public image. She can’t get past her own fucking ego to understand attacking someone that may not do as you like is entirely inappropriate. Jenna actively LIKES her, and it shows in how Jenna and Julian have never said a bad word about her, and they continue to not say anything so not to hurt Freelee by bashing her. The whole Ramen saga and graham cracker thing is literally nothing, just because she uses something non-vegan doesn’t mean she actively is hurting animals. She has never intentionally hurt or abuse a animal? No, she has not, I support Jenna because she will always own up to a mistake as soon as it happens and she doesn’t hide. I use vegan and cruelty free makeup but my medicine isn’t subjected to my disposition of animal byproduct, because medicine and food for me is pivotal, I can’t not eat meat as I’ve been exposed for too long, if I stop cold turkey I’ll make myself very sick. If it was easy as pie I would be vegetarian. Freelee would attack me on my disposition because it didn’t align to her standards and that why I HATE her, because she’s a Asshole who can’t see past her ego. Of course she knew attacking Jenna and Julian would cause backlash, because she pays more attention to her mentions then to her public image. I know I’ve gone in a tangent, but fuck... I HATE FREELEE.

[@AmuJaneTV]

Because she's a coward and she's toxic so everyone who doesn't like her be toxic back

[@deadletter4317]

People who believe consuming honey and beekeeping is immoral is willfully ignorant to how beekeeping works. I have been keeping bees for months now and I’m constantly learning more about them. There are so many misconceptions about beekeeping and it’s very frustrating sometimes. Here are some examples of things I’ve learned since I started beekeeping: 1. *Smoking bees* is NOT harmful for them. Obviously you don’t want to light a campfire under the hive, but a few puffs of white smoke to mask their alarm pheromones is beneficial for both the bees and the keeper. Bees communicate through smell, and if one bee thinks there’s danger, she will alert other bees to attack. The smoke disguises that smell and drives the bees back down into the hive so they aren’t crowded at the top. I usually don’t even have to smoke my bees, they’re usually docile and I can read their body language to know if they’re getting upset. 2. *Some bees get killed in the process* but it isn’t dozens all at once. We’re very careful not to squish them, but it is inevitable that some will die here and there. It hurts my heart when it happens, and I try to avoid it to the best of my ability. What we do for the bees by inspecting their hives and make sure everything is running smoothly makes up for the fact that some may perish in the process. It’s in the keeper’s best interest to avoid squishing the bees. 3. *Honey bees are competition for native bees* (depending on where you live), but there are ways to increase native populations of bees too. Non-honey producing bees are just not profitable (although they do a better job of pollinating) compared to the financial benefit of selling honey. But many beekeepers have native bee houses as well as honey bee hives, and it’s a growing trend even among non beekeepers. They’re very easy and inexpensive to make, and there’s hardly any maintenance involved. People who think beekeeping is unethical just don’t know enough about it, same as everyone else in the world. I’m constantly answering questions from people who are curious about how beekeeping works, and I was even able to do a demonstration of a hive inspection for an audience of friends. I wish people would do their research on honey bees before concluding that honey is morally bad just because someone on youtube said it was. It’s so much more complex than *animal product = bad*

[@hotmamma2126]

@@somad6997 This logic doesn't actually care about the bees when it completely disregards the millions of others that are well taken care of. There is nothing about any consumption that can avoid the accidental loss of insect life

[@hotmamma2126]

@@somad6997 Not eating honey won't really do anything for the death of the bees and instead impact the livelihood of the thousands of surviving bees. Again, there is no food you can consume that hasn't killed insects in some way or another, be it accidentally or on purpose. So it is better to support one that intentionally tries to avoid it or lump them all together anyways? Regarding "exploiting" the bees, I can assure you that they do not care. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. The bees get protection for generations in exchange for their excess honey. There is a reason exploitation is bad but that's just not what's happening here 🐝🐝

[@hotmamma2126]

@@joshb895 I can understand trying to minimize damage and harm in our diets but I still believe the logic holds that honey does that just fine to be considered vegan friendly. If all food industries kill, ones that actively try to avoid it should not be lumped with the rest. That's the point, right? To minimalize? Also there's nothing wrong with beekeeping. Irresponsible beekeeping will allow invasion but that doesn't need to be fought with boycotting honey. There's different ways. And yes, they are taken care of more than a wild bee. Nothing wrong with it. I'll repeat my points just as often as you do yours. I defend honey because I legit care about the business and just do not agree that it's not vegan. An opinion developed and backed by many other vegans so it genuinely doesnt matter that I'm not one. We'll likely go back and forth forever tho so no real need to keep debating about it tbh lmao

[@marissascott9727]

The pesticides many farmers use on there crops kill insects so are vegetables and other crops not vegan as well?

[@abiotic_sloth1768]

DeadLetter I love beekeepers that show up and educate ignorant people. Keep doing you and keep taking care of those bees 👏👏🐝

[@Beereadshorror]

I love how she jumped to the conclusion that Jenna is being influenced by her non vegan friends to resort to animal products. Like jeez that's a leap and a half.

[@jettf.1049]

I have a friend who is allergic to peanuts (she carries an Epipen), and she's definitely misread labels with food that has peanuts in it. TBH she hasn't had to use her Epipen in awhile, but it's similar! And that could be detrimental to her health! So shit happens and we're human. Buuuut, she doesn't watch a lot of anti-peanut documentaries, so maybe that's why?

[@AutumnSun140]

Yeah, those anti-peanut documentaries would for sure help her out. She probably just slipping because she's friends with so many peanut-eaters.

[@brittinijoyo4525]

Jett F. This comment made me laugh so hard my stitches nearly came out. Thank you. 🤣🤣🤣

[@mojann1]

Same. I will probably DIE the next time i consume peanuts. And i still missread lables. Has happened so many times and i am sure it will happen again.

[@petrap9214]

@@AutumnSun140 Your comment just made my day! ::cracks up laughing::

[@orangeradios]

You guys are the best! 😆😆😆 Skskskskk!

[@passionspotatoes9182]

Leanne just can't accept that she is irrelevant. Vegan KZbin has evolved and she hasn't. All she has left is to pick at current vegans for not being vegan enough and disabling her comments so she can live in her echo chamber and criticise other people, whilst not taking criticism at all (referring to her taking down a video Abbey Sharp did, criticising her diet).

[@noahatlas5240]

Passions & Potatoes was anyone going to tell me Freelee’s real name was Leanne or was I supposed to read that in a KZbin comment on a video of her pointlessly dragging Jenna Marbles myself?

[@passionspotatoes9182]

@@noahatlas5240 her real name is Leanne Ratcliffe I think

[@lisadevries1099]

Oh my gosh I never thought about the fact that Freelee has a real name

[@_k3l5]

Noah & Atlas Wow you and me both 😂 Leanne? I’m kind of mad now that I didn’t see free-LEE as a clue. It all makes sense.

[@lizashush]

Onision of vegans

[@chloep.2498]

Ughhh my mom's a dietitian and it is so refreshing how solid an understanding of nutrition science you have! Thank you for being "logical and practical," as Jenna said lol

[@uribheidi]

Chloe Parsons I’m not remotely vegan but I love listening to her talk, she’s so smart and well spoken.

[@elfinartist4961]

Jenna Marbles fanbase ain't children, just adults who grew up watching her and still adore her. Like me.

[@eastender6846]

Me too -- and I'm in my 50's.

[@cheryl1182]

Get a farm animal but your rescue severely traumatized greyhound that you are recently dedicating your time and heart to doesn’t count... ok...🙄

[@emmagraceanderson1054]

Cheryl they did adopt a cow! Basically. They paid for all of its expenses until it died. Julien has a tattoo dedicated to it

[@grosebud4721]

Cheryl THANK YOU! All I was thinking was « what about bunny?! »

[@JohannaDeutschman]

I think she’s pretty out of touch with them because she didn’t even know that Ad had passed away. That makes it even more obnoxious because she obviously doesn’t keep up with them so to act like she “cares” is just sad.

[@eviec7303]

Johanna Cheryl yes pour little ad passed away i think over a year ago

[@suchnothing]

Also jenna and julien have talked about getting chickens in the past, but have acknowledged that they dont know enough and wouldnt be able to care for it properly. That's responsible veganism and pet ownership, you dont just get a farm animal for your own "connection" or whatever, you make sure you're ready and doing what's right for the animal.

[@zoevuksanovic8137]

Why is freelees whole identity just being vegan

[@emalinel]

I know, right? It's so self-degrading to place your identity in one belief/label. That leads to burnout, a whole host of mental health issues and most importantly it SPREADS that kind of toxic mentality to other people

[@nursesida]

It's easier than being a functional part of humanity and this way we get to look down on everyone around them.

[@GR3yyyyyyy]

i don’t think that it is because in the time she stopped doing these kinds of videos she was acting normally , i think this is just a huge blown up extension of one part of her personality she’s using to try and get back the traction she had back in the day when she had more eyes on her

[@urbestamericanboy6457]

It's kinda sad tbh.

[@Junitunes]

She is also a biker!!! How dare you say that's her whole identity ... shes a vegan biker... that's it but... yup that's all she is.

[@AmethystEyes]

I would bet money on it that Jenna and her boyfriend Julien have inspired more people to become vegan than Freelee.

[@raquel4474]

"we're talking about someone whose been on YT for over a decade and still can't bothered to upgrade her audio" I SCREAMED😂

[@karimecolettadominguez]

😂😂😂

[@jadedbelle4788]

Jenna seems to be what i like to call 'casually compassionate'. Compassion to all things (she made a video introducing her house plants by name) seems to comes naturally and casually to her. All you need to do is watch the videos about J&J working with their rescue dog bunny to see their coming from a genuine place. Jennas videos appeal to people because they are relaxed and chill.

[@lateral-alice]

she's so casual in her compassion that's she's now promoting animal abuse on her channel in the form of ramen noodles.

[@jadedbelle4788]

@@lateral-alice oh please! Get over yourself. No one, and i repeat, no one has a zero impact on animal lives. The food farms (and i'm talking fruit, veggie and grain farms), wholesalers and retailers will all have pest controll measures (i.e ways to kill rodents) in place to keep the food safe for human consumption. Cotton farms have a massive impact on tne enviroment including pestisides and water usage. Organic farms may have less pestisided but use even more water. The delivery trucks hit and kill animals on the road all the time. All your tech and the power to charge it has had an impact on the enviroment it its creation and disposal. Any medication you take or have ever including over the counter stuff has been tested on animals at some point. 'Vegan' leather is often just PVC rebranded and is pertrolium based. And Thb freelees botox has more animal product in it than a seasoning packet.

[@maggiesveganeats7292]

I've been vegan for 4 years and just today I accidentally drank milk! Trader Joes was handing out samples of cold brew coffee and without even thinking about it I took the sample and as soon as I took a small sip I realized it had milk. Oops, but NO BIG DEAL.. I also bought some "meatless" sausage patties a few weeks ago and realized after I ate THE WHOLE DAMN BOX that they contained egg. I read the label when I bought them too! I somehow missed the egg in the ingredients, and I read nutrition labels religiously. Anyways, Freelee is crazy and makes us vegans look unreasonable and makes this lifestyle seem impossible.

[@mj-yo7vt]

MaggiesVeganEats it's absolutely fine

[@mj-yo7vt]

My boss is vegan and he bought mini pies one time (pirozhki, we live in Russia). One of them contained egg or something like that and it wasn't a big deal either

[@kaylawaters2691]

I agree. We do the best we can. If you accidently eat or drink something non vegan, you know not to consume or buy it next time. Definitely no big deal.

[@marianna3253]

She's the reason why people don't like vegans.

[@irismeeow]

for my birthday, my boyfriend made the effort to make me a vegan tiramisu with coconut cream and strawberries and it was the best thing ever. until we realised he used normal sponge fingers that contain eggs. it was an honest mistake and we laughed about it.

[@iMegans]

I think it’s also important to remember that Julien is first and foremost gluten free, his options are already pretty limited and he’s checking to see if products will make him sick first before he checks anything else. And I’m sure he still felt bad for it? Idk it’s all ridiculous 😂

[@jordynirene]

Freelee: Jenna’s demographic is children Me: actually I’m a 26 year old lady~*

[@paymweaver5650]

I'm a 64 year old lady and love, love, love Jenna and Julien.

[@jelllllllly4954]

~28 year old lady 👵 ~

[@HOHGuncle1312]

magickalgirl and I’m 30 from Rochester aka her part of New York

[@me11ssa]

27 year old lady here!

[@hannahs1162]

Almost 23 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@TG-xp5zw]

Jenna’s material may be silly but that’s why she has such a strong following. Because she’s not afraid to be herself and that inspires her fans and brightens their day.

[@SarahLouG]

“Jenna videos are mind numbing” Well guess what freelee so is your personality.

[@isthecarpetcomfortable9410]

O O F

[@shannonrowland8379]

Haha so true

[@pursuitofhypiness1015]

That’s why I like Jenna’s videos 😂

[@She-wolf3636]

I wouldn't say her personality is mind numbing, I would say rage inducing

[@SarahLouG]

She-wolf3636 couldn’t agree more 😂😂