A Tragic Knife Story: The Worst $200 I Ever Spent

[@anthonyrollins9825]

keeping it real TY for not being a shill. great video.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey thanks. Yeah, I've noticed a lot of that going on in the knife community, it's disappointing. I try to always point out the good along with the bad.

[@richardvirchow3390]

Great review; I’ll bet you saved a few people from heartache and disappointment.

[@maybefrank8345]

For those of you without a Dremmel, it took me about 2 minutes to do the same job with a regular course file. Probably did a better job at keeping it square too!

[@Countryboy071]

Thanks! I was only looking at these a couple of days ago!! You've definitely changed my mind, im so glad i subscribed to your channel. Keep up the great work. Ive been inspired by your reviews, unlike a lot of others who can be biased to certain brands. Good to see fair, goood honest opinions based on experience and knowledge

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Thanks so much! My main goal is to show knives and give my opinion, not sell them. I always try to not just talk about the good, but the bad stuff too. I guess that's why only a handful of companies send me knives.

[@karlyt0s-tt]

the bm bugout(1st 1000). my first bm and quite expensive knife. first the lockbar or crossbar was really gritty. then the springs keep breaking every 2-3 months with minimal use. ive abused ganzos and never broke a spring. havent bought a xbar style lock since then

[@corymoore2292]

You bought the worst axis lock knife from the worst knife company. Benchmade is the only company who has omega springs breaking in their knives. You can trust an axis lock from pretty much any company besides Benchmade. And yes, I still have a BM 940-2 I need to rid my collection of, it’s truly a piece of garbage.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Sorry to hear, but you make a great point.

[@timmccorkel2989]

I feel ya, brother! On my AM 8 Morad, the backspacer was actually glued to one of the scales. After cleaning and reassembly, the backspacer rattled back and forth. I ended up shimming it with Scotch tape, but shouldn't have had to do that on a $200 knife. What a disappointment.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

You're the 2nd person I've heard from that had a problem with their Morad. I agree, you shouldn't have to do that on a $200 knife. Sorry to hear about your troubles.

[@davidkurle5418]

Shame about that one. Thanks for the heads up, buddy!

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Any time!

[@bladecentered2264]

I know that feeling, sorry you went through that Jay!

[@TheKnifeBeater]

You're the first person to say that. Thanks Tom.

[@attic42]

Jay, thank you for this video. I was really considering this knife, but you have confirmed my concerns, and now I know to steer clear. Like you, I really like the OG Moyarl... enough to buy a second one. I knew to stay away from the crossbar lock version because people pointed out that the springs were weak. Floppy action is my pet peeve. Hey Jay! Please do yourself a favor and do a spine whack test on you OG Moyarl. They have been known to have lock failure issues. Out of the two I own, the lock on one EASILY fails a spine whack test, but the other one I have is fine. It's great to have you back. Keep 'em coming!

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey, so glad to hear this helped. Yeah, I would stay away at least until they fix the pocket clip. I'll have to check out the lock on my original Moyarl, thanks.

[@SavgSith]

Sad day. I had my eyes on this model too. Maybe they will listen to their customers and fix the problems. Good video. Thanks for the info.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey you bet. Thanks!

[@wgkincheloe2458]

I appreciate the truthful review. Not every review should be positive if we're telling the truth. Not every knife is a win

[@TheKnifeBeater]

You are so right. Just about every knife has some bad to go along with the good. Some more than others, which I always try to point out. We (knife channels) need to focus less on sales, more on info and opinions. As one famous KZbinr put it: "My opinion is not for sale".

[@wgkincheloe2458]

@@TheKnifeBeater agreed. You were the 2nd knife channel I ever found and I've watched you since because you give the positive AND negative. Not many channels will spend so much time helping people find knives under $40 PLUS be honest when a $200 purchase doesn't tickle the fancy like hoped. Please keep up the quality content. Very glad you're feeling better and back on KZbin!

[@Darkwing-w2k]

I bought a MKM Yipper that would allow the cutting edge to hit the barrel spacers when closed. I immediately found several other owners with the same problem. I really like that knife and hope they fix the problem in the future. The biggest disappointment for me is that retailers that know there is a problem aren’t just continuing to sell the knife, they are actively hyping it in videos. Maybe it’s just a small number that are having the issue though.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

I have actually seen a few written reviews mentioning that same issue. Unfortunately, it looks like many channels are focused on sales and less about actual honest info. I try to tell you what's good about a knife along with the bad, which means I get less free products, but I'm able to sleep well at night.

[@johnsanford3596]

Oof!! The pocket clip is a pure design fail, the lockbar clearance COULD be an execution fail, but I lean to design. They wanted the Anti-Harsey, using the thinnest cuts for the lockbar possible. They got thin... too thin. Nice milling on those scales though.

[@bert2530]

That’s a bummer man! This pocketclip is a real design fault.

[@Nordraw]

Unfortunately there are many bad 200 dollar knives out there that aren’t worth the money

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Don't I know it.👍

[@jamesreese7111]

Jay, sorry you're having trouble with that Moyarl. I saw Neeves talking about that clip. There's not enough clearance and it's too tight. I love the Moyarl and, like you was really wanting a premium version. Luckily I heard there were issues and didn't buy one. Thanks for the info! Like most Miguron/AM8 knives I'd bet a version 2 will come out next year with design improvements. I bought a Nymble linerlock that has excessive detent lash and was ignored by the owner so I live with it , at $300 I'll probably never buy an Emp edc knife again.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey thanks, yeah it kinda stinks, but I'm glad you found out ahead of time. It's great that Miguron/Am8 makes these design improvements, I just wish they caught this stuff before manufacturing any. Thanks for the info about the Nymble, was seriously considering one.

[@jamesreese7111]

@@TheKnifeBeaterYeah, Maxace recenly had a similar clip issue with their Merkat premium while the mid grade Merkat had a good clip. I shouldn't have said I'd never buy another Emp edc knife since I have 4 of them, but the liner lock Nymble was a huge disappointment for sure, on the bright side I use it more because I don't worry about messing it up. Lol.

[@jamesreese7111]

Hey, Jay. The milled clips from the budget Moyarl will fit and fix the problem. Also available from Miguron for $10.

[@meatman666]

Glad you're back Jay.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

thank you!

[@dustinwhitt5297]

Can you switch the blades out in any?

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Probably not with the crossbar lock. I don't know if you can put the m390 blade on the liner lock. I've tried it with other knives before and usually it doesn't work out. Excellent idea though!

[@ct2368]

I did the same thing to my PF beluga. Quick knife studs are awesome.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Nice!

[@Keith_the_knife_freak]

Thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍

[@TheKnifeBeater]

You bet.

[@mylife2162]

I agree and appreciate your honesty. I too made a very similar mistake with the same manufacturer. Their customer service is like non existent? I wont be making another purchase from this company again!!

[@TheKnifeBeater]

I hear ya

[@anthonytrojan9501]

I ordered a Spyderco Q-Ball from Amazon and it was a complete mess. The compression lock (ball) was stuck and wouldn’t disengage. I sent the knife back and never got another one. I’m pretty sure it was a bad clone but didn’t bother getting another replacement.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

That's a knife I always regretted not picking up.

[@Frizzlefry7]

Thanks for the info, Jay. Like I told you a week ago, my biggest premium disappointment was the WE Elementum. Wish I never pulled the trigger on that one. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yeah, I hear ya.

[@luisnouel4268]

I have the crossbar version. The same problem with the weak springs, but I can live with that issue. Do not shake the knife. I love my Morarl, but after your experience I dont think I can go for the premium one

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yeah, save yourself the headache.

[@sknight0391]

Proof of point ..... sum of my favorite knives are Ganzo's . Under $28.00 ✌️😂👌

[@RookCAF]

Sucks you got a lemon. My frame lock is a lemon too. Lock fails if you breathe on it. My cross bar lock also had the weak spring but I bent the springs a bit and much better

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yeah, I'm starting to think that it's just a good looking design and the only one worth buying is the liner lock.

[@edgblades]

I just had some buyer’s remorse with the CJRB Prado. It came with a terrible grind, stiff action and not easy to accessory its opening hole. I did reprofile the edge, action loosened and I put a Kwik stud on it. Still not in love with it, but nowhere the level you must have with that.

[@joet81]

Damn, I was really excited for that one! I've never been a big fan of clutch locks but that knife is beautiful.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Sounds like you put some effort in to yours to try and make it right. Sorry it didn't work out.

[@rustyshackleford5331]

I have the titanium version myself. All you have to do is take a titanium clip off of another miguron and problem with the clip is solved. The clip that comes on it is the same clip that came on the maxace meerkat and it has the exact same problem. Once you switch the clip, the knife goes in and out of the picket no problem

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Thanks for the info, good to know. Not sure if I'm gonna buy another Miguron just to harvest the clip, but someone might.

[@rustyshackleford5331]

@@TheKnifeBeater you can order just a clip for $10 off their website.

[@sawmillsam7156]

I thought the Miguron Pelora really sucked after having it in hand and in pocket...similar conclusion you had with the Moyarl. The pocket clip was awful, it felt like a brick in pocket and in hand...I returned it.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey thanks for that, I've been thinking about picking one up. Sorry you had to go through that though.

[@sawmillsam7156]

@@TheKnifeBeater no prob. I forgot to mention that the scales were very slippery and another nit pick I can't remember for sure, maybe choil or lock issue.

[@mikereese15]

Well that stinks. Very much appreciate the comparisons of the 3. Not a fan at all of cross bar locks and sometimes crame locks are not the best. Thanks so much for the link to the thumbstuds. And the idea of dremelling out for thicker blades. ❤❤❤

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey no prob, hope that tip works out for ya. Take care!

[@trlarosa]

Good to know you can return it! I was relieved for you when you mentioned it 😅

[@TheKnifeBeater]

I'd be crushed if I couldn't.

[@timtitus2532]

Had the same problem with the Kizer Doberman, extremely stiff and had a protrusion on the scale side that had a near right angle on it, almost impossible to pull out once you got it in. Took my dremel to it. Now it's just hard to put it and take it out. Probably going to go at it again.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Sorry to hear. I hope you're able to fix that.

[@b_shady_22]

Actually missed this one .. Caught it on MC’s channel and had my eye on it. But Divo re released the Pony Stout in a Premium Model. S90V and Ti for $162 after the discount. Might have to STILL check of the Premium Moyarl. Love that model as I have 3 of the g10 variant. 💜✌🏼💙

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yeah, I love the design of the Moyarl, but I wouldn't get the premium until they fix the pocket clip.

[@HenryPipes]

My biggest letdown was a sheep’s foot BM Griptilian. It was my first nice knife but I sold it. Years later I bought one and the omega spring was so weak and it was super thick behind the edge.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Oh man, that sucks. So sorry to hear.

[@jameswhoever3730]

Damn, and I was just going to shoot for the ti/m390 version of this without getting the cheaper one. Thank for the video.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey no prob. That's exactly why I made this.

[@bobbthompson]

Great video as always! I was SO disappointed with my Hinderer XM-18 3" flipper. The action is so bad that you can't thumb flick it or reverse flick it at all. The knife feels clunky, the ergonomics are not good, the lockup is SO deep it's painful to disengage and it is such a bad slicer that my Emerson mini a-100 slices better, and it's basically a folding pry bar. Compare that to when I got my Rosie. I was really excited because I got one on a drop which is hard. Then it got stolen in transit and I received an empty USPS box. Then I had to wait 6 weeks for the insurance claim. Then another week for OZ to make a replacement. When I got the box in the mail I was so frustrated that I was almost over it. BUT it is SO, SO good that I instantly forgot about all the bad. It's as close to a PERFECT knife as I've ever used. I carry it almost every day and I get so happy when I use it.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey thanks! So sorry to hear about your XM-18, especially considering the financial investment. I have the skinny sheepsfoot, which has been good to me so far.

[@cintage]

Can’t say anything about the premium ti version of the Moyarl, but my crossbar version is great (as is the liner-lock) version.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yeah, other than the weak springs, I like the crossbar version.

[@chronovore3726]

I'm 2/2 on instant returns from Miguron. I don't recall the issues now but it was enough to not want to give them a third chance.

[@SKVektus]

This wasn't an utter disappointment, as I usually leave my knives in right-hand carry, but years ago I added the Kershaw Launch 12 to my collection, (the stiletto looking one) and I was happy to see it was tapped for lefty carry.....until I thought about the long, shallow clip that comes on it, and sure enough: if you swap the clip over, the end of the clip covers up the auto deployment button 😆

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Wow, thanks for the heads up on that!

[@fredstephens6737]

I love my liner lock Moyarl and thought the ti version would be great. It's disappointing, but thanks for the info.

[@optimuscrime608]

The titanium Moyarl is fantastic. I absolutely love mine. Mine has perfect lockup. Such a great knife !

[@corymoore2292]

Yeah what a gem, you got lucky to get a working lock, but you will still be shredding your pants for no reason. Unlike those of us wise enough to avoid this brand.

[@optimuscrime608]

@@corymoore2292 No he just got unlucky and got a bad one…99% of them are great! And no it doesn’t shred pants

[@corymoore2292]

@@optimuscrime608 I guess you missed my other comment. I had both the Mero and the Kermu and they both had bad failing locks. I haven’t received a knife from them that had a functioning lock. And yes, it does shred pants badly over time, just like the Mero and Kermu I received. By doing mental gymnastics to justify unwise purchases you rob yourself of opportunities to learn and improve. After returning both of the faulty knives that I received from Miguron and Ameight I landed on the Kansept Fenrir, which so far seems like a really excellent knife. I will not be giving Miguron a third chance and I will always be critical of all knife companies rather than doing mental gymnastics to justify an unwise purchase. Thank goodness for Amazon returns, Miguron is the kind of company that makes convenient returns a necessity.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yes, with the lock, I was very unlucky. I'm so happy to hear yours has been great. Sorry, but I gotta push back on the pocket clip issue though. I've tried to carry it with a couple different pairs of pants. Putting it in and taking it out of the pocket was REALLY tough. Believe me, I wanted to love this knife and I thought for sure that I would. I was absolutely heartbroken. I would rather keep the knife if I could fix the issues myself, but I can't.

[@scotteisenbraun1581]

I usually wear jogging pants with zippers on the front pockets, so knife clips don't work. Switched to a pocket leather knife slip, rectangular, which hides the knife and keeps it upright in the pocket. Slower than clipping to jeans but access is still good and no one needs to know you are carrying. Leave clip on and slide knife under edge, turn knife backwards, or take clip off.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

That's a great idea! Thanks.

[@hector_dom]

Hi Jay, 3 comments on this text. First, for me my OG Moyarl (storm trooper edition) has an adequate thickness for my mid-sized hands/short fingers, but the Pelora feels thicker eventhough it is only 1 mm wider (13.4 vs 14.4 mm) to the point I don't want to use it. Second, it's been my experience that titanium pocket clips (like the one shown) look very nice, but are always overly stiff, making it hard to slide the knife in and out of the pocket, however, that turns into a real problem when that clip is positioned just like you showed... bad design. Third, I found that the advice you give regarding adding a thumbstud was not really necessary on the Moyarl, but it is really necessary on my CJRB Hectare, and that trick turned that knife from a gadget into an actually useful tool. Cheers!!

[@TheKnifeBeater]

I agree with you about ti clips, they do look nice, but they rarely work well for me. I was able to use my Moyarl without the thumb stud, I just had to reposition to get a good flick. Now, I don't even have to think about it. Yeah, this would work great on the Hectare.

[@Metal_Matrix]

Ive never understood the relief cutouts on their ti knives it's pretty annoying

[@donuilcelt8494]

I have had several lemons from this company. Three problem knives to be exact, I will never buy from them again. People might love them and most might get great knives, but they have a real problem with quality control. No Thanks Never Again.

[@fredp1983]

wow really.. interesting to know...my interest has been steadily growing...somany nice designs...but hearing this makes me feel good for not pulling th switch yet

[@donuilcelt8494]

@@fredp1983Here is some more detailed information. I have purchased 5. Akri - Came with no edge, like a actual butter knife, Moyarl -- Just a hunk of crap, action horrible and almost destroyed it getting it apart should have never left the factory, Pelora -- decent action fit and finish okay, Velona -- wonderful knife great action well made, Miguron Ameight Gladiator II - decent fit finish action is OK nothing special, like a 30 dollar budget knife, not worth the price, would I buy another, No. Buying a Miguron is like shooting craps, you never know what your going to get because of poor quality control.

[@gregvanderlip7726]

That's rough bro 😕 😔

[@Gregorybridgewater]

Seems i have to "tune" almost every pocket clip to my liking. So it will slide down with minimal material bunching and force, but then will come out just right.

[@lwilson95990]

I'm glad I didn't get the newer versions. My most disappointing knife is the giantmouse ace grand it has zero lockup my wife got it for me so I kept it, I spent a lot of time fixing it not buying anymore giantmouse!

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Sorry to hear. I picked up the Tribeca, which I really like.

[@carmeng5867]

When you become an adult things that give you a childlike excitement are hard to come by so when those hopes are dashed it really bites. Take solace in the fact that you're smarter now and your heads up to the rest of us has prevented a lot of childlike glee from being ruined. So thank you for that. Hope your next knife choice turns out better.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Well said, thank you.

[@miller8638]

Sometimes they don't listen 😅

[@lennyzee]

Every titanium clip I ever had needed to be removed and bent with pliers to make them functional. I never understood the attraction to them.....

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yeah, I feel the same way as you.

[@seth_goodwin]

I have this knife and no lock bar issues for me. Unfortunately the pocket situation is the same. My Morad 2 as well. I can’t carry these knifes. Give me deep carry folded Ti or wire clips! 😁 I have no need for a “premium” poorly executed milled Ti clip.

[@seth_goodwin]

Tension cuts on the outside don’t help either.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yeah, I was hoping that my lock bar issue was few and far between, but the clip is a much larger problem they have on their hands. I love wire clips, I would be happy if every knife had them.

[@ryanreason9234]

It doesn't make any sense that they did a crossbar lock and didn't make it lefty friendly.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

You hit the nail square on the head!

[@grimreaper6042]

Jay, you should learn your lesson 😂 put your hands up because you are being robbed. Thanks for sharing

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Lol! Oh man was I ever.

[@RadioGeekBlades]

Sorry to hear you got a dud. Hopefully they will take care of you and send you out a new one.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey thanks! Yeah, I hope so.

[@MrKopamontanga]

I know the pocket clip is super tight , but to have a title like it’s the worst money you ever spent ..???? I dk , to each his own … 💪🏼💪🏼

[@JoshMurphy-f9v]

So as far as the titanium version goes, not squeezing on the pocket clip when removing from your pocket will make a world of difference. The clip rest halfway on the solid scale and halfway on the lockbar. The end of the clip on their Mero knife has a more aggressive tip (the part that touches the scale) and it goes in and out of my pants easily with one hand. I understand being disappointed in a knife once it's in hand but to me it seemed like you were exaggerating the clip issue. The "Spongy" lockbar is something I'm unfamiliar with but if it locks up solid and doesn't stick then I'd say it works. Grab yourself a Mero and I think you'll be more pleasantly surprised

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Yes, the clip rests halfway on the solid scale and halfway on the lock bar, but it's directly on top of the tension relief cuts for that lock bar. Hey, I'm just simply trying to save you the hassle of the inevitable return, but go ahead, I hope it works out for ya.

[@pauljosephbuggle3722]

Sound advice.

[@jasonbeecher509]

They both sound like tinker toys to me unfortunately

[@joet81]

Nothing worse than a shit pocket clip. I never end up using my knives with bad clips because they can be so annoying. #1 worst clip for me is the ruike m105tz. You might be able to get it in the pocket but good luck getting it out😂😂 too bad because it's an awesome knife. The clip on my Archbishop 3.0 sucks to get out of the pocket as well

[@TheKnifeBeater]

I hear ya. A bad clip can just ruin an otherwise great design. I have so many knives with ti clips, that I actually swapped out for a regular old stamped steel clip and my Archbishop 3.0 is one of em.

[@BradGryphonn]

Hey, mate. Haven't seen you for a while, so I better check my feed settings. That's a really disappointing, high-priced knife. Other than a Case xx that I bought and returned, most have been fine.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Hey, nice to hear from ya! I've actually been buying a few Case's lately. I like the Copperlock's.

[@pressrolls]

The Miguron "Hype Train"......I bought the budget Moyarl. Looks great - SHIT blade. DULLEST factory edge I ever bought brand new. Won't hold an edge for shit either. I hear their M390 is even worse. Won't ever buy another of their knives. .

[@Barney_Greenway]

Phew! Better luck next time! 🙏I once received a PM2 in S110V with a missing tip (well, it broke off somewhere, d'uh) right out of the box. Sent it right back with a notice to customer service. Had another PM2 in S45VN with heinous lockstick, truly finger-breaking. Also sent back w/o problems, full refund. The worst was a direct order from Kizer (although I generally like their models) where I received a Megatherium with lock-rock. I literally, no joke, took that knife apart 9 times. It's "meh" now, but there's no easy answer to lock-rock on a framelock. It didn't disengage under pressure, but every cut was accompanied by the blade moving proximally. ↕

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Wow, sounds like you know exactly what it's like to get a dud. Thanks for sharing.

[@DB.KOOPER]

I bought the Miguron cross-bar lock and IMO it's GARBAGE. It feels cheap and the pocket clip is trash (all milled Ti pocket clips are garbage) and the edge geometry sucks. Literally one of the most overhyped knives I've bought. The words "Titanium frame lock" and "M390" sound WORSE to me... all things I avoid in knives. hate Ti scales, frame locks are lazy junk and M390 is so overhyped and underwhelming... No wonder it was a let down, you should have known that from the description.

[@andyhayward1261]

lol all milled clips and framelocks are garbage what a garbage statement 😂

[@donuilcelt8494]

Yeah I can not agree with this statement "all milled Ti pocket clips are garbage". But Miguron does produce a lot of poor quality junk in general.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Wow, that a lot there to take in. I will agree with you about the ti clips, they look good, but they generally don't function well for me. I have plenty on ti frame locks in m390 that I like, but I guess it all depends on the brand.

[@corymoore2292]

I had a Mero and a Kermu and both locks failed. They don’t test the locks on their knives.

[@donuilcelt8494]

The build quality is just rubbish.

[@TheKnifeBeater]

Wow, really? Both locks? So sorry to hear that.