A U.S. Warship Fires an Anti-Sub Weapon on a German U-Boat

[@andrewstackpool4911]

Has to be the cleanest and most immaculately dressed U-boat crew I have ever seen; definitely no Das Boot here

[@flybobbie1449]

I think Das Boote was over dramatised, even the advisiors former uboat crew said it was too Hollywood. I would imagine discipline and order they would have been reasonably tidy.

[@wagnercorange3458]

@@flybobbie1449 Unless it is real footage, it will absolutely be too hollywood. With that narrator, then, pfff, i'm already expecting UFO's.

[@chucknorris6640]

@@flybobbie1449 one of the advisor was Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock who in real life survive the war

[@NoPulseForRussians]

Their uniform of the day is definitely squared away and neat for a sub crew. Complete with the shaving discipline and new boots. Hollywood is so good at portraying EXACTLY what its like in real life. 👍🏻😉

[@donkeyslayer4661]

You do realize this isn't real, don't you?

[@badlandskid]

“D-4” “Hit!”

[@glengerdes2447]

You sunk my submarine!!

[@patrickgjorven7832]

🤣

[@capt_noo]

hacks you fired 3 shots you're only supposed to fire one

[@ShadowsOnTheScreen]

You made me laugh. Thank you, commenter from 5 years ago, for your time-traveling joke.

[@Robloxchat123]

I was actually praying the man surrendered, dying in a submarine by drowning is not on my list of things to do

[@moganosakana]

Even imagining such a death is already painful. Glad they didn't sink it as soon as it floated.

[@arjentromp12]

drowning is the least of your issues, imagine getting crushed to death by water

[@realdealman5594]

@@arjentromp12 Thats much better than drowning because you don't feel anything

[@arjentromp12]

@@realdealman5594 getting crushed by water isnt instant though.

[@realdealman5594]

@@arjentromp12 oh yea? It's much better than waiting a minute or so drowning. After all it's ranked as one of the most painful deaths you can experience.

[@someguy4425]

USE FLEX TAPE TO STOP LEAKS FAST

[@kev03103]

That shit doesn't work

[@jcjcjunk1881]

@@kev03103 it really does I've tested it

[@kev03103]

If there is any pressure behind the leak it blows right through.

[@helenparr4234]

* You use the Flex Tape on the leak, it's super effective * Another explosion occurs... * The Flex Tape comes off from running water... * You'll suffer a very terrible fate along with your crew... * You're going to have a terrible fate, haven't you?

[@devontaenash1409]

@@helenparr4234 ............

[@wes7706]

damn, it must be really scary inside a u-boat during a situation like that

[@benedikteckl3560]

Ye man

[@JohnSmith-dh3kx]

@SSJG Heroes? That's not what I'd call them.

[@antihypocrite6022]

John Smith well heroes for them selves I agree with you tho

[@lewisclements7625]

John Smith they maybe thought there were the good ones and we were bad maybe they just did not even know why they were doing it they just have to do it

[@superandreanintendo]

Many in reality knew nothing except propaganda. In fact the sub raids were effective during the first years of the war but later it was just only destroyers depht charging subs. There's a nice movie "Das Boot" that gives a good immersion into the characters

[@varun009]

"they called the hedgehog because it looked like porcupine quills." brilliant.

[@frezcrax1046]

varun009 American intellect at it’s finest

[@markturner4219]

@@frezcrax1046 It was called hedgehog by the British who invented it in 1941. It was named after the hedgehog (not the porcupine) there being no Porcupines in the UK. This whole thing is rubbish. It was not a 'new' weapon in 1944. BY November 1942 the British had over a 100 ships fitted with it and the kill rate had improved from 60:1 with depth charges to better than 6:1 with Hedgehog, which is partly why the Battle of the Atlantic had turned massively in the Allies favour by May 1943.

[@SlideRulePirate]

@@markturner4219 Allow me to express my appreciation Sir. You have saved me the trouble.

[@ronnieince4568]

@@markturner4219 thr Germans called the Short Sunderland flying boat "The Flying Porcupine " bearing in mind it's 10 machine guns making it very difficult to attack from any angle

[@markturner4219]

@@ronnieince4568 The relevance to this thread being?????

[@greyfells2829]

Kept his men alive, that's victory enough

[@willie417]

guess he wasn't part of the wolf pack Awooo!!!!

[@RedOrm68]

Ah, but did he destroy his code books / Enigma machine?

[@willie417]

@@RedOrm68 I'm sure 100% that he did

[@Suisfonia]

@@RedOrm68 Unfortunately, without knowing the U-boats name, can't really look it up. However, I would think he did.

[@stanstenson8168]

@@Suisfonia U-515

[@jeffb3232]

My father was on the USS Pillsbury during the attack on Easter Sunday of the U-515, and then the U-505 on June 4th, seven weeks later. After clearing U-515 of their men, the US Navy sunk the Uboat, even though it took 2 days. For the U-505, it was decided to board and attempt a capture. An all volunteer boarding party from the USS Pillsbury did just that, in an incredible show of bravery. For this action, the entire task force was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation.

[@lordshipmayhem]

If you haven't read it, I recommend the book, "Clear the Decks!', by Admiral Daniel V. Gallery, who commanded task group 22.3, which your father served in. Humorous as well as detailed.

[@captainzachsparrow6193]

You’re father was a very lucky man to witness the capture of the U-505. The narrator gets the story’s date and the u boats mixed up a bit. I liked the fact that I’m not the only one who was thinking about it. God bless you and your father.

[@pauldietz1325]

The U-505 can now be seen at Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry.

[@jackwhite6030]

@@pauldietz1325 been there it is very cramped to say the least!

[@mrvlsmrv]

Been through the U-505 several times. My wife won't go through it due to claustrophobia. It would take a small man in stature to serve on a U-boat. A lot of guts and heart would be helpful too.

[@misterjag]

Hedgehogs had a higher kill rate than depth charges.

[@Rikki0]

Tremendously so. Around 5 to 1 for hedgehog attacks. 80 to 1 for depth charge attacks.

[@geni3595]

Hedgehogs are lethal Gotta stay away from them

[@testfortester7131]

Higher confirmed because it only explodes when it makes contact

[@vegasspaceprogram6623]

But depth charges are scarier...

[@superandreanintendo]

If you ever played Silent Hunter, you get used to dive and dodge depth charges runs. Well, with time going on, one day, in 1944 I didn't see the usual line of barrels coming down, but an immense amount of grenades. That's was for a videogame. Imagine those, knowing their life could easily end there

[@b.l.9764]

Ironically, the U-boat getting hit in a way that they were able to surface probably saved the lives of the crew. Almost all of the U-boats were sunk during WWII.

[@Ugnutz]

785 of the 1162 in service were destroyed and of that 785 only 632 were sunk at sea and of the 632 only 246 were sunk by Allied surface ships and shore based aircraft, thoes numbers are hardly the picture you paint claiming all U-boats were sunk in WWII, the remaining U-Boats at wars end either surrended or were scuttled .

[@b.l.9764]

@@Ugnutz I think you have your numbers wrong on how many were sunk by combined ships and aircraft. Are you saying that 400 u-boats sunk on their own! 🤣🤣 That extra 150 destroyed that were not sunk were also all or nearly all attacked by allied ships and aircraft. Anyway, approx 75% of U Boats were destroyed and the crews were nearly always were killed when this happened. 3/4 chance of a U boat sailors to be killed. Id consider being surfaced and going to a US POW camp as great luck in those odds any day

[@Ugnutz]

@@b.l.9764 yeah sorry i meant to write the surface ships accounted for 245 and aircraft sunk 246 for a total of 491 nearly 50 just up and dissapered 35 hits mines another 40 odd destroyed attacking ports

[@alessiodecarolis]

Being an allied POW is surely better than a slow death in an immobilized sub (sadly not all the crews died swiftly, it's a true fact)

[@sameerthakur720]

Yes. Even Gunther Prien died that way.

[@georgemorley1029]

That bloke at 3:38 - "U-boat! U-boat!". The guy next to him just looks at him as if to say, "Mate, you really are steely watchkeeper, with eyes that can detect an enormous submarine that just exploded out of the water about 100 feet away from you...after half the entire Ship's company have already spotted it!" Fuck me, even the chefs in the galley had eyes on before he did...

[@robertgranados2120]

HA!!! I wonder if the actor feels stupid for having to say that delayed line.

[@BoredRants]

hillarious

[@dragonlords7310]

Your right it flew into the air like wut

[@JyWalker1603]

God best of the best🤣

[@mizto3291]

They do that to clarify the position of the U-Boat once it has risen from the surface after a tactical forced rise.

[@bobveinne2439]

The title should have been "A U.S. Warship Fires a Hedgehog at a German U-Boat."

[@wcresponder]

P.E.T.A. would have been all over that.

[@DavBlc7]

Yep a Yank warship fires a British made hedgehog. After all we are allies.

[@JimWalsh-rl5dj]

No, " A US warship fires the British invention hedgehog"

[@zelts]

@Ayaan Lal Sonaric.

[@mackydog99]

Splat!

[@welshpete12]

The hedgehog was a British invention .It gave two advantages . One, it did not explode only when it hit a sub. Two , Sonar could be used when it was in action. Not like depth charges which blocked out Sonar .

[@marcmelander1815]

Depth charges exploded at the depth set Nothing to do with contact with a target.

[@charliesilverwood3608]

@@marcmelander1815 depth charges where normally deployed from the rear of the vessels to allow them to escape the blast zone. ASDIC didnt allow contacts to be maintained reward. Therefore Asdic contacts were broken to use depth charges.

[@jassonsw]

Yes British contributions are often not mentioned or even worse in the case of the film U571. I know it's a fictional film but the first Enigma machine captured from a U boat was captured by HMS Bulldog of the Royal Navy.

[@michaeldowson6988]

Depth charges don't have to make contact to sink a sub. It was best of you could get one below or beside the sub, rather than above it. The explosion pushes the water away at high pressure, but it can only do that laterally or upwards, not downwards with much impact.

[@thegreatdominion949]

Hedgehog mortars had contact detonators only (no hydrostatic pistols), so they had to directly hit something solid to explode. If they missed the target sub they wouldn't detonate until they reached the ocean floor.

[@georgecoates4595]

My dad was stationed at Guantanamo Bay and his crew flew Martin PBYs hunting for U-boats. During the 4 years he spent there his crew sank 3 U-boats and rescued 6 downed US pilots. They were shot at 2 twice and rescued the crew of another PBY that went down and couldn't take off again. Greatest generation!

[@Linds12302]

The PBY was the Angel of the skies, could come up on a submarine with the plane engines off and hit them with the lights and bombs. Saved many a downed crew by landing near

[@johnharper2016]

My Father, John Milton Harper, was aboard the Guadalcanal when the U 505 was captured. His name is on the wall at the exhibit at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. He passed in 2014 at 94 years old. Men like him are few and far between today.

[@wtcashel]

Tell that to Donald Trump! Con artist supreme! Getting ready to become our POTUS for a second term by lying his way to the White House. Traitor!

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

The weapon was invented by the Royal Navy in 1941, fitted to RN and RCN escorts during 1942, and supplied to the USN at the same time. RN and RCN escorts made 268 Hedgehog attacks during WW2, and achieved 47 sinkings, a ration of 5.7 to 1, compared to 60.5 to 1 from a 'normal' depth charge attack.

[@jacktattis143]

doveton sturdee: Dont forget to mention that the British did not charge the USN for it .

[@DavBlc7]

Yep but actually it was first introduced in world war one and over peacetime before second world war, it was improved very much in time for the early part of that war.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@DavBlc7 Sorry, but I think that you will find that it wasn't. Hedgehog was a development of the Thornycroft designed Fairlie Mortar, which was intended to throw charges ahead of the ship, and was first (unsuccessfully) trialled aboard HMS Whitehall in July, 1941.

[@zeero62]

A book called "Churchill's Ministry of UnGentlemanly Warfare" tells the story of Hedgehog's development....its a very good book.

[@maconescotland8996]

Surely that ratio is 1 to 5.7 ?

[@anthonywilson4873]

Hedgehog was developed by the Royal Navy so you could keep eyes on with ASDIC. As Mortar bombs fired ahead of the ship only exploded on contact you did not loose the sub in multiple depth charge explosions or being so close to the target you lost it due to signal and return being “instantaneous”. 5 to 1 ratio five attacks on average to one sub destroyed as opposed to 80 to 1 with depth charges. ASDIC used sound to to ping direction and range of a submarine developed as a weapon in First World War era France and UK. Wikipedia is brilliant for research!

[@MagaKoz]

Hearing stories from some family members who survived depth charges it gives you a whole new perspective. Can't even fathom. That was a hell of a generation! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@jasonvansteenwyk5984]

I see what you did there.

[@richardcline1337]

Sounds a lot like what happened to U-505, a captured submarine now on display in Chicago. Same aircraft carrier and destroyers.

[@peterson7082]

The _Guadalcanal_ (CVE-60) was actually involved in the capture of _U-505,_ but this action is referring to _Guadalcanal's_ and its escorting forces' actions against _U-515_ which was sunk.

[@markcash2]

@@peterson7082 Nathan, that is what he said! You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

[@RamblinRick_]

Around 1970, I read Gallery's book about the capture of U-505. Very interesting reading. Gallery thought the Navy would be happy he captured an Enigma machine. Navy was not pleased. Had already broken the code and kept that fact secret. Now, the Navy felt the Germans would know about the capture of U-505 and that we would have Enigma. Therefore, concerned Germany would change its codes. Capt of U-boat was kept below decks and did not know/believe his boat was captured. Gallery brought him a picture of the U-boat captain's photograph of family that was on his desk in the boat.

[@tommissouri4871]

At first, I thought they many a mistake saying U-515 instead of U-505. But looking at the story of U-515, this is probably what triggered the idea they could actually capture a U-boat. Or they had already thought that and this was an early attempt. This is April 9th which is less than two months before June 4th capture of U-505.

[@Kellethorn]

"By replacing water in the tank with air, it should lighten the submarine" Yes. That is how ships work, yes.

[@phapnui]

Once at the surface they wanted to share the remaining 4 dry cigarettes but they didn't have any dry matches. So they threw one cigarette into the ocean. That made the U-boat one cigarette lighter.

[@Maree_Customs]

Yes. The sub here is made of sub

[@noahhastings6145]

@@Maree_Customs Sir, this is a Wendy's. Subway is down the street.

[@fishingismydrug1]

Did they have compressed air tanks, or a compressor for this?

[@The_Trinity_Effect]

He did the right thing , he knew he had no where to go , he accepted defeat like a man , he surrendered and kept he’s crew alive , one of the lucky ones that would’ve lived out the war with only little regret if any

[@michaelkovacic2608]

Henke was an exceptional commander, especially if you consider that he won his successes in 1942 and 1943, when the tide had already turned against the u-boats. He sank 25 ships with 155 000 tons, for which he was awarded the knights cross with oak leaves. His finest hours were a battle with an allied fleet during operation torch on 12 november 1942 (where he sank a large support ship and damaged a destroyer) and the sinking of 7 merchant ships from convoy TS-37 with only 9 torpedoes during a single night (30 april-1 may 1943). He also got in trouble with the gestapo because he protected an austrian family from them during vacation in tyrol. And he managed to save 43 of his crew at a time when most german u-boats sunk were lost without survivors.

[@stanstenson8168]

Mike, you are a ray of light in this dim witted comment section. A quarter of them think it is 505.

[@markschneider8815]

​@stanstenson8168 Most people have only heard of the 505. I read Admiral Gallery's memoir and this sub was the one that gave him the idea that lead to the capture of the 505. He expected the sub to fight after it surfaced, when Henke told him he surfaced to surrender he decided if these circumstances happened again he'd try to capture it instead. That resulted in a treasure trove of valuable information including the German naval cyphers and Enigma code machine.

[@geoben1810]

Proud U.S. NAVY veteran here. I salute BOTH crews. I realize it was war, but if after I attack a sub, and it comes to the surface, especially in a way other than normal, it's an indication that it's been damaged. I'd have guns on it but I'd give the captain the opportunity to surrender. It's the honorable thing to do. ✌🏻🇺🇸

[@kahasson]

George B My uncle John was killed when this u boat torpedoed the RFA Darkdale at St Helena. My uncle’s younger sister asked me to research the loss of Darkdale and what happened to the U boat. I’m afraid her reaction to the details I could give her were much less nuanced than yours! The USS GUADALCANAL and her crew are heroes in my extended family.

[@scotth6814]

Their top priority was to capture U-Boats, not sink them. They wanted the Enigma machine & the codes.

[@markschneider8815]

​@@scotth6814 Their top priority was to STOP the U-Boats, by any means possible. Capture was a nice bonus. (Source: Admiral Gallery's memoirs, including his time as captain of the USS Guadalcanal and Task Force 22.3 commander.)

[@scotth6814]

@@markschneider8815 Getting the Enigma machine & codes was the best way to stop ALL U-boats. When they could finally understand what they were saying to each other and to/from headquarters, then they knew when, where, and in what force U-boat packs would attack.

[@nigeh5326]

If you want to watch a truly great movie about the terror of being a submariner in wartime watch ‘Das Boot’ (the boat in English) it was made in 1981 in Germany. The tension when they are being depth charged is immense. Thoroughly recommended 👍

[@routeoz02]

Yes, it's excellent in a number of ways.

[@Linds12302]

On the DVD for Das Boat you have the option for English language. It wasn't dubbed, all the German actors could speak English and did the scenes in German and English.

[@johnstreet797]

get the directors cut

[@yesyesyesyes1600]

Wolfgang Petersen movie. Watched the longer Mini series Version as a kid.

[@NiumeLTU]

I want full episodes

[@h.s3223]

get on smithsonian website and pay monthly to get full access

[@markjosephcastro5127]

Go on Torrents :D

[@urmom-dt5no]

WW2: Hell Under The Seas. National Geographic Channel It has the full episode of this and many more

[@uttaradit2]

The Kiwis had a navy??

[@oiudatropen9548]

uttaradit2 so I've been toldsnd I believe, still do,as well as an army and airforce

[@jaridkeen123]

Atleast he lived

[@iksigrek2033]

RealDealMan ¿ I think getting crushed by whater is more painfull than drowning.

[@Ranillon]

@@iksigrek2033 Actually, being in a submarine when it implodes is one of the better ways to die for when a sub reaches crush depth and succumbs death is instantaneous. Your nerves don’t even have a chance to register pain before the end. By comparison, drowning is far slower and painful.

[@stevejh69]

@@iksigrek2033 sorry, but I really don’t care. Just a shame it was not slower.

[@Commando______3377]

@@stevejh69 thats just cruel.

[@grantaldrichaguilar5645]

*they

[@maconescotland8996]

1:36 - it wasn't a circular pattern that was fired - it was elliptical, by design.

[@bodasactra]

This engagement was a great read. A few Americans won medals for keeping the sub afloat at great risk after the Germans opened an 8 inch pipe to scuttle her. That's why she appears so low by the stern in the video 4:00. You can see the American salvage team's whaleboat smashing apart on the heaving rear deck as they board her when the plane goes by. They secured the prized enigma machine, with code books, and the sub. One of the greatest intelligence windfalls of the war.

[@1chish]

With the greatest respect that is Hollywood bullcrap. The first Enigma machine and code books used by the German Navy in WWII were found by a Royal Navy Sub Lieutenant in May 1941 after HMS Bulldog damaged U Boat U-110 and the crew abandoned ship. Although a tow was attempted it sank off Iceland where the crew were landed having been kept below decks the whole time. They were told the U Boat had sunk without being boarded. The equipment on this American captured U Boat was the later one with an additional reel but again the Royal Navy had already captured one. What this film does not show is that because the code breakers at Bletchley Park knew where every U Boat was by mid 1942 the RAF had already straffed this U Boat and made it impossible to dive. Its position was known and the Guadalcanal group was directed to it by the intelligence from the UK. The Hedgehog weapon was also developed by the Royal Navy and proved massively effective. Having secured the U Boat the salvage crew did a magnificent job of bringing it to be towed. However the US Navy showed huge naivety in doing this and it was a directive from UK HQ that made them take it to Bermuda where it was disguised and hidden. Any details of captured U Boats had to be hidden as the Enigma secret was so valuable to the Allies using intelligence from Bletchley Park.

[@bodasactra]

@@1chish I know, thank you. I don't use movies for historical reference. On this event I refer to The History United States Navy in World War II. The 15 volume commissioned work by Samuel Eliot Morison. I appreciate British contributions as deeply as I do American. To be honest, its hard for me to differentiate them to a certain extent. I consider our particularly special relationship as harmonic as the P-51 Mustang born of it. It is irrefutable we do our best work together. Congrats on the incredibly capable new carrier and her F-35 compliment. An excellent symbol of advanced British naval might and pride. She is a comfort to freedom loving peoples of the world. May the enemies of Great Britain lay low and take note of her passing.

[@iatsd]

@@bodasactra Absolute bullshite. Enigma machines, code books, and Type IXC subs had all been captured 2-3 years earlier by the British. The sinking of U-515 - the subject in the video here - was simply the removal of 1 more sub from the German fleet. The Americans did NOT capture an Engima machine or codebook in this action. You're thinking of U-505.

[@petergaskin1811]

@@bodasactra Psst: we already had an Enigma machine, but even that was largely superfluous because Alan Turing and the team at Bletchley Park had already, using work done by the Poles before WWII, broken the Enigma codes. The problem for the British was how not to win the War so easily that the Germans would figure out that we'd broken their Codes. We even told the Russians when and where the Germans were going to invade them but Stalin wouldn't trust us.

[@bodasactra]

@@petergaskin1811 I am fairly sure Bletchley's work did not involve the U-Boats, that was a different system

[@LeeRaldar]

No hedgehogs were harmed during the making of this documentary.

[@jackkuchera2612]

Yes >:]

[@yesyesyesyes1600]

At least no real hedgehogs. 😅 5000 Huey Hogs were lost in Vietnam though ...

[@orbitingeyes2540]

Best clip of a Hedgehog firing that I've seen. Thx!

[@crookedpaths6612]

My grandfather was in the New Zealand merchant navy. A lot of Kiwi mariners were killed by those U-boats. Those in the engineering room had it worst (as my grandfather was) as it was at the base of the ship and most likely area to be targeted by a torpedo. If you weren't killed by the blast, you could be drowned or scalded to death by the rupturing steam boiler. As saying goes: "worse things happen at sea".

[@verdier2294]

Never understood why usa and british saved all these Nazi's ..they killed over 10.000 not even on an armored convoy ships ....and still no one killed a nazi......really really strange..the war lasted so long cause only germans killed the ones who surrendered..it has costs many americans and british canadians aussies their lives....

[@levelwithz3779]

verdier229 then after the war our gov absorbed thousands of Nazis into the intelligence agencies/black project military arenas & more. If you have ever read or watched the Marvel Cinematic Universe's movies or comics you'd recognize "Hyrda" being a Secret Nazi Order which infiltrated every aspect of America's Power Structure... There is much more to this possibility and miles of evidence. For instance, Prescott Bush, George Bush Sr.'s father, had extensive documented ties to the Nazis including during the Wars. Much more but short on time. KZbin is full of videos on the subject though.

[@ASMR.GentleMan]

@@verdier2294 you can also argue that every ship that reaches britain is one more supply run for the frontline and costs german soldiers their lifes, so the uboats had an important role in denying that supplies reach europe. Every side had its intentions. And being a crew member of uboats was as shitty as these merchant sailors. Getting ass blasted under water isnt funny either...

[@ASMR.GentleMan]

@@verdier2294 and where did u get that from that all germans killed the guys who surrendered? EVERY side did that from time to time - things got rough during the war. There even is an incident where a german uboat takes survivors of an allied ship that just sunk and a scout plane spots them and shoots at the uboat and their own survivors....just wtf .... things like that made the sailors think twice before saving someone.

[@legopachycephalosaurus6825]

verdier229 they did because it’s humane, everyone deserves a second chance and FYI the Americans and British also sunk merchant and supply ships as well. They also bombed factories and cities to try and force surrender and stop supplies from reaching the frontlines. But no that’s not the ‘MERICAN way of thinking nah when we bomb factories and destroy merchant ships it’s ok but then when the enemy like Japan or Germany dies it it’s a war crime that’s nit corrrect unless we do it.

[@worldpeace32]

The submarine malfunction actually saved the crew, I am so glad it did

[@Vortex421]

The same squadron that took down this sub (U-515) was the squadron that captured the U-505 three months later.

[@PatD8665]

My uncle was the exec officer on the Guadalcanal

[@cam_1845]

Thank you for your service all those years ago even through these hard times we appreciate it regardless.

[@shawnmarks1400]

Now imagine all the live hedgehogs laying down there

[@Ken-no5ip]

They explode after the timer runs out

[@CazzyVR]

@@Ken-no5ip Actually most Hedgehogs didnt have Timers. Instead they exploded only once they hit something. So those things likely kept going until they struck ocean floor

[@angelbenitez281]

I honestly though you meant the animal

[@richmond3090]

@@CazzyVR *or by water pressure

[@rambler241]

No, it's not "so they can go in for another attack" - it's so contact is maintained DURING the attack, and the position of the U-boat is precisely known.

[@lyndonwillms9668]

Same task force would capture the U505 in June 1944. The U505 is in a museum in Chicago. And my dad was on the USS Chatelain for both actions.

[@luckypuppa4950]

Ahoy mate my dad was on the Pickerel during the Korean War

[@PatD8665]

My uncle was the exec officer on the Guadalcanal. I read Gallery's book when I was a kid and I had a German dagger and scabbard that he must have gotten from 505, with "blood and iron" written on the blade, in German, of course.

[@kevken3293]

The hedgehog was a British invention and had been used by them for more than a year before the US navy was convinced and copied the design, it was the British with their love of naming things who called it the hedgehog, had we invented it we would no doubt have given it a number.

[@inary682]

"Eh whats the name of this thing" "Oh its mark 1 underwater contact explosives"

[@nateborck4577]

nobody name then the sailors would have callled it the 1 U.C.E (pronounced U-sea) and then fired it off with, “One juicy UCE going down!” And that is why it would have been called the Juicy U-sea.

[@inary682]

@@nateborck4577 huh neat

[@dr.ofdubiouswisdom4189]

*Could've gone with: "F-U HANS" (Hurled Artillery Nautical Shell) anyway, along those lines.

[@mtsky-tc6uw]

i thought the brits only invented fish and chips

[@Talltrees84]

Of all German military arms during WWII the Kreigsmarine suffered the highest porportinual number of casaulities. With Germany relining on U-Boots as the backbone of their Navy it is easy to see why. On a surface ship one can evacuate and get on life rafts. Not so easy for subs.

[@kokhowe]

Its good to see that the U-boat captain had the sense to surrender rather than to force his men to die with the ship.

[@rockedupreefco.3809]

It’s cool that their still doing these

[@jnjtiger]

U-505 and it’s at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. Incredible exhibit.

[@Lnino-sd3kf]

His decision saved his men from a most horrible agonizing demise.

[@bluemarshall6180]

I think they massacred those german guys. 😆

[@Lnino-sd3kf]

Perhaps

[@kingenkang]

or he could just not fail so the uboat made a overcorrection so the uboat dident surface

[@antorseax9492]

What the video didn't show was the US ships firing at the U-boat for no reason

[@alansohn855]

Literally the escort ships surrounding and planes flying overhead is definitely an intimidating tactic for sure and if I may say, looks badass.

[@andy-ow5sd]

I'm just glad those germans lived, I spent ten years working with these guys and what a great bunch of people, I would have loved my wife and children to have an experience like that, love the people and the culture, I just wish I was there, thank you so so much for welcoming us British thank you

[@bm952]

What

[@andy-ow5sd]

@@bm952 I don't understand where you are going with, "that" comment, I'm just a bit bewildered 🇬🇧

[@bm952]

@@andy-ow5sd i was suprised to see a comment of somone that actualy knew them

[@YeOldeTowneCryer]

With all the movies and books I read regarding WWII, I never heard of this anti-sub weapon before.

[@thomasaquinas2600]

In many ways, the battle of the Atlantic was the important battle of the western Allies, the only place where even Churchill was worried. The dramatic turnaround in 1943, when air cover, new radar and depth charges made U-boats undersea coffins.

[@chingompiew1]

Those Hedgehogs look, sound and fire like the weapon from the alien ship in the movie Battleship!

[@justinpeterson3686]

Respect to the German commander who knew he was done and did the smart thing and surrendered.

[@jimmyfale6370]

Thank you for another unfinished ending would've liked to know what happened next!!!!

[@nicholaspopeney110]

They failed to mention the Britt's invented the Hedgehog for obvious reasons.U-boats were a real menace

[@jameshorn270]

I met a guy once who was wearing a USS Jenks hat. I had recently read Gallery book and asked him if he had been part of the operation. He had been in the third or fourth boat to arrive. the crazy thing was that Gallery almost got courtmartialed because they were afraid the Germans would learn that one of their subs had been captued intact, which would include an enigma machine, and they would almost certainly have changed their codes within days, the codes which the Brits were reading about as fast as the Germans.

[@bigbananna1616]

Hedgehog was developed by the British and "Shared" with their Allies including the USA. Hedgehog used actively (In a developed form) amongst NATO Allies till the mid-1960's. After the War Britain developed the hedgehog into the "Limbo" 3 barrelled rapid fire ASW Mortar which was used into the late 1980's by Nato. Limbo fired multiple salvoes from a position Fore or Aft of the ship in a pre-programmed pattern. Limbo had many firing patterns and gave its captain the ability to select a pattern based on a specific situation.

[@bigbananna1616]

Absolutely correct .... not sure I get your point we were Allies you do that with Allies............ except the USA never paid for British war technology but Britain (And ALL US Allies) paid in full for the equipment they received through "Lend-Lease" with heavy interest (So heavy Britain only paid off its WAR DEBT in mid 1970,s) No problem with paying for stuff like that all the Allies were glad to do it but just call it what it is the SALE of equipment to an Ally that shares its technology with you for FREE. Love the USA for its role in WW2 big fan .... also a fan of the truth :0)

[@pershingpower9397]

Smithsonian has become early 2000’s History Channel, thanks

[@Alistair2348]

Hedgehog, another British invention, first used in 1940

[@maconescotland8996]

The pattern fired from a hedgehog was elliptical, not circular, as this boosted the chances of a hit by a least one round. The subsequent capture and towing of U-505 to Bermuda threatened to compromise Allied code breaking secrets and court martial proceeding were considered against the commanding officer.

[@grandaddyoe1434]

Fired in a particular order so that all would descend similarly in a co-ordinated pattern, not a random one.

[@redstone5149]

Werner Henke dodged death in this instance only to be shot and killed when trying to escape a POW camp in Fort Hunt, VA.

[@routeoz02]

What a fool he was.

[@nigeldeacon3271]

My late father in law was commanding officer of a Flower Class corvette which sank a u boat using hedgehog.

[@georgea.567]

That's pretty cool.

[@MrRunner]

The class of vessel that Nicholas Monserrat made famous

[@stevek8829]

@@MrRunner too bad "The Cruel Sea" can't be found on KZbin or Amazon. The book was pretty good but that wouldn't interest KZbinrs.

[@drinks1019]

Those hedgehog depth charge launchers look like a lot of fun to fire!!!

[@jonasplett172]

“It was called a hedgehog because it looked like a bunch a porcupine quills” Brilliant!!!!

[@theteutonking3306]

Its because it was a _British_ invention, where porcupines arent a thing, but hedgehogs are extremely common.

[@JHNielson4851]

It was the sinking of U-515 the the task force commander Capt. Daniel V. Gallery came up with a plans for capturing a U-boat if the conditions were right. When they encountered the U-505 they were able to implement the plans and captured the boat. The bravery of the men that sized the boat can not be over played. The went on the boat not knowing if there was anyone yet on board or if the scuttling charges were set. Read the Captain's account of this in his book U-505, if you can find it.

[@colwilliamnoydb4134]

in my family we have a vast military group of officers. 3 officers of flag rank, any many junior officers. We have DAR SAR recognition with 3 officers serving during the War of Independence. During WW2 we had six officers at war. 3 from the US, and 3 from Germany. On the US we had a Maj who was a Battalion Commander, a LT XO on a Destroyer, and an LT Jg skipper of a PT boat. On the German side had a Lt Cmdr Kriegsmarine U-Boat Captain, and 2 brothers who were Oberleutant in the SS Panzer Corps. They all survived and I got to meet my German Uncles as a child back in 1968 when my father was stationed in Berlin. They were honorable men who did their duty according to their lives at the time. Even though 2 were SS, they were not a part of the genocide and were just an elite unit like our Seals, and Marine Force Recon, or Delta. They just commanded tanks.

[@swansinatorjr3453]

I love how it can be very dark it always ends with It’s brighter here

[@hammer1349]

Being attacked by a hedgehog mortar could even be more terrifying than depth charges. You might not seen hear to mortars coming on sonar amongst the noise of enemy ships etc. Suddenly, your sub is rocked by a silent killer sea mortar round, with the enemy destroyer still behind you but still able to attack and keep track of you. The first encounter with a hedgehog mortar for the German U-boats must have been absolutely terrifying.

[@johnrettig1880]

Talk about doing things " Bass ackerd " . Tail First . Next time try parallel parking .

[@g8ymw]

I see the fact that Hedgehog is a British weapon is omitted. Anybody would think that the Brits were not involved in World War 2

[@mikebrown1926]

I usually don't watch the Smithsonian channel on tv because of numerous historical inaccuracies. In this case I'd like to point out that Captain Gallery and his task force captured the U505, not U515 as the narrator states.

[@douglascampbell3523]

They dealt with U-515 too -- its captain scuttled it to prevent its capture as a prize of war.

[@jamesgleave3681]

Nerd

[@douglascampbell3523]

@J Calhoun Thank you for that bit of history.

[@justafanintexas7913]

@@douglascampbell3523 - He scuttled it to protect the Enigma device.

[@drew65sep]

Lol, yeah...and I don't think any naval ships went by the name "Guadalcanal" quite yet...

[@drogomuircastle7175]

Love the clean shaven U-Boat commander in a notoriously short of water U-Boat, and the US captain unshaven while his officers and men are all pretty obviously freshly shaven.

[@ernestclements7398]

One mistake the U boat involved was not the 515 it was the 505 captured by Admiral Daniel Gallery ( a Chicago native whose brother happened to be the commissioner of the Chicago Park District) he quickly gave the order the first time it was given Since the war of 1812 of Away All Boarders a boarding party got to the sub in time to close the seacocks and disable the scuttling charges, it was the first time that an operational Uboat was captured during the war, the boat was towed to Bermuda where it was hidden, and it's crew was placed under quarantine to conceal the fact that it had been captured intact, along with its code books, and it's enigma machine, after the war it was towed to Chicago, where it was placed alongside the Museum of Science And Industry, where it remained for many years before an addition to house it and other large exhibits was built, tours of it led to my nephews becoming a submariner in the U.S Navy.

[@belleriffraff]

really need to get the facts right. The British Navy did all that in 1941, months Before pearl Harbour, but as usual, can't let the truth spoil a your story.

[@woodb51]

The terror experienced by sailors in a U-boat under attack is un imaginable.

[@dustin1931]

Hedgehog is a British invention and submarine detecting sonar was a French invention.

[@Slavicplayer251]

actually sonar and radar were developed by an Australian man in late ww1

[@neprhicarrot9283]

@@Slavicplayer251 He meant the Ones used on the Ship,not the first ones

[@davidleach5646]

My Dad served on the USCG Arundel in the Battle of the Atlantic WWII, headed to the South Pacific at the end of the war. Enlisted at age 17 in 1942 right out of high school, exited for a non military career with New England Telephone in 1946. Well done, Dad. (1924-2018).

[@semperf1dude]

hedgehog being a little spiky creature found in hedges in the countryside in England

[@theloweffortchannel7211]

Who goes *_fast_*

[@CarlosAM1]

What happened next: - Destroy them, no mercy. Yes, sir. - and prepare 1 pack of popcorn Yes, sir.

[@Brofederationgoogleplus]

That would be a war crime if they surrender.

[@cjjohnsin3747]

there were no geneva conventions in ww2.

[@Brofederationgoogleplus]

Still a war crime.

[@Sicklehead88]

@Cj Johnsin, that's wrong, the first version of the Geneva Convention was from 1864. The Red Cross in one of the symbols that got introduced back then. so there was a Geneva Convention in WW2 and Germany actually signed it.

[@bobmcmurtry7609]

@@Sicklehead88 They kinda broke it though. Like a lot.

[@mister-v-3086]

It ALL goes wrong after 1:15: You DON'T go into combat without wearing your Helmet...I don't care WHO you Are on a US Navy ship of the time. NO Ship can maintain SONAR contact at Flank speed...10 knots is about maximum. Other comments, below, about the dorkiness of the Destroyer Crew (As Portrayed) stand on their own Merits. Can't argue with any of them.

[@jcb5782]

This is honestly one of the best shows I have watched in a long time. It's accurate, it's to the point, the acting is good, the music is good, the narrator isn't screaming in my face like in so many documentaries. I think there are only 2 seasons, but they should make a lot more.

[@theteutonking3306]

Well, apart from the narration. The hedgehog wasn't new, or American. It was a british invention, and by 1942 over 100 ships had been fitted with it.

[@dcroach60]

dying only hurts for a minute or two- at 4 minutes - you are dead from hypoxia- oxygen starvation to the brain- sort of like the Happy gas at the dentist- & then you black out & then youre dead- id be more in fear of being rescued only half dead knowing the certainty finality & being able to say a prayer before you lose consciousness- would be the comfort- every day- alive is a good day- the uncertainty of "is this the day I die" would be the worst; i would think. I could be wrong.

[@canoe365]

Most deaths in submarines occurred when the sub sank past it's 'crush depth'. When the hull imploded the pieces of the hull would fly inward at 2-3 times the speed of sound. The air pressure inside the hull would increase rapidly and become incandescent through compressive heating. But no one inside would notice, it takes about 1/10 second for events to register on the brain, the crew would be dead in less than 1/100 second. They literally wouldn't feel a thing.

[@KLee-qi7gh]

"Mister Hirsch, step away from that bulkhead. The shockwave from one of these explosions could snap your spine." - Lieutenant Andrew Tyler U-571

[@reg1mbald294]

Good thing that they surfaced to surrender, even if I was a US sailor, I would've taken them as pow's, letting your ennemy die in a submarine is cruel, a sailor isn't a soldier when his ships is out of service.. we're all in the same boat when it comes to naval warfare..

[@jeep146]

Depends how much damage the U- Boats have caused. The British lost plenty of sailors to U-boats. In one case a German sailor was rescued and the captain of the ship asked him questions when he refused to answer the captain ordered him thrown overboard at sea.

[@tisi6312]

Admiral Daniel Gallery (aka Dan Dan the Lavatory Man) was one of the more interesting American naval officers, Very wicked sense of humor. He went on to become a prolific author. One of this books goes into detail about this action and another about his general military career but most of his books were built around Naval humor.

[@SeanP7195]

The Admiral had a very interesting life. He graduated the Naval Academy at only 19 and also competed in the 1920 olympics also at 19. Not bad for a teenager. He also wrote many books and articles, and even started the first little league in Puerto Rico (ARod is happy). They actually sunk this u-boat and Gallery realized he missed a opportunity to capture a sub. A few days later they caught another one and stormed it and kept it afloat although it was loaded with explosives to scuttle it. That U-boat was taken to Bermuda i believe and the enigma code machine seized. However, he got into trouble for this (although the crew were praised and given medals including one MOH) because the Navy feared if the Germans found out they would simply change their codes. The US had already secretly captured an enigma machine unbeknownst to the crew. Later he would get blackballed for fighting against the reduction of the Navy and the US Marines were almost rolled into the army (could you imagine). He was eventually forced to retire for being physically unable to be an officer anymore and was never promoted to Vice Admiral (which was a custom for retiring Rear Admirals at the time. P.S. I’m sure at some point there was some sort of new screwdriver or heating duct “invented” by the British which was involved and I’m almost positive it was an all British operation and the US charged the British for something and the only reason it was accomplished was because some British guy wrote a letter or created a technique that was stolen by Americans or something or other so please don’t lose your heads. We are acknowledging your greatness as we tremble in shame.

[@Thx1138sober]

Actually, this was extremely lucky for the U boat crew

[@korbell1089]

Some people seems confused about this, remember this is the U515 NOT the U 505, same Amercianc task force but completely different submarines. Despite all the bad haircuts and unshaven faces the Smithsonian channel actually got this one right

[@sanseijedi]

Daniel V. Gallery was in command when they captured U505, boarding it & capturing an Enigma machine, if I'm not mistaken. Good writer as well. Check out some of his bibliography.

[@TheSaneHatter]

This weapon is like Tony Stark's "Jericho" missiles for the water.

[@shinkreytpuylap]

The Jericho word just reminded me of the Stuka siren 🤣🤣🤣

[@wd9dau]

I was born in 1948. Every elementary schoolchild went to the Museum Of Science And Industry in Chicago at least once. Two of the highlights were the coal mine and U505. U505 was captured by Admiral Gallery. Her Enigma Machine and code books helped win the war..

[@nightjarflying]

Her Enigma machine & code books did not help to win the war. Gallery was almost sent to courts martial for not sinking the sub - it was just before D-Day & the Allies were very worried the Nazis would discover the capture & change the already broken coding procedures.

[@tomburton8239]

The "Hedgehog", so named because the empty rows of its launcher spigots resembled the spines of a hedgehog, was invented and developed by the British.

[@philipbarrett3151]

Clean shaven U-Boat crew? They've been at sea for weeks in a vessel that carried only enough water for drinking and food preparation. And this is the Smithsonian!

[@jeep146]

At this stage of the war the U-boats mission which was to sink merchant ships carrying supplies was over. Radar and the most important was small aircraft carriers. We could now escort and protect shipping. No longer was the middle of the ocean a safe place for the U-boat to hunt. Remember most U-boats were not true submarines they had surface to intercept convoys and to recharge. Even with snorkels they could be seen by air. This generation of boat was just a Iron Coffin at this stage.

[@adeadchannel4129]

If they are carrying military supplies to aid your enemies...they aren't merchants.

[@seanmurray6026]

RoVidz Animations Good thing the Germans still took a nice fat juicy L

[@Jon908584]

I don't think that radar was all that important at this time although it did come into its own when fitted in aircraft. A major cause of the discovery of an U-boat was the use of HF/DF which picked up radio transmissions. If two ships or a shore station picked up the same transmission and could accurately ascertain the bearing from which they came then the location of the source of the radio transmission could easily be found. Although not totally accurate it did broadcast that U-boats were in the area and the convoy could alter course to avoid them. Donitz foolishly commanded U-boats to send him daily weather reports thus breaking radio silence. This proved fatal for many. U-boat commanders were also enjoined to report sightings of convoys and thus lost the element of surprise. Until the advent of escort or "Woolworth" carriers when each convoy would have its own surveillance aircraft, air cover was provided by long range Wellingtons. Liberators and Catalinas. The British invention of the Leigh Light meant that U-boats could be surprised in the night when they surfaced to recharge batteries and to get fresh air in the boat., giving U-boat commanders only about 35 seconds to take action before being plastered by depth charges. The noise of an aircraft's engines was drowned by the noise of the U-boats diesels.

[@oldschoolcfi3833]

Admiral Gallery's vainglorious actions nearly got him a court martial. The Allies had had an enigma machine in their possession for some time, after a U-boat surfaced and was captured near Iceland. They managed to keep that fact secret from the Germans for the entire war, lest they change their codes. Additionally, the British Bletchely Park effort to decrypt the codes using early computers had succeeded, and if the Germans had changed codes for any reason, all their efforts were wasted, and the intel they were gathering on U-boat actions would disappear. As for the other actions, machine-gunning submarine crews by all sides was a fairly common event. The blood was up, the invisible enemy that kills without warning, was finally visible, and it was time for some payback for weeks of fear., lost friends etc. It was always justified by the allies as "suppression" or defensive fire, claiming it was possible the submarine crews were surfacing to use their one small cannon and machine guns against the superior firepower of the surface vessels engaging them. Gallery deliberately ordered only smaller caliber weapons be used, to 'suppress' the crew, to prevent sinking of the U-boat. The actions of the prize crew, in boarding the sinking u-boat and salvaging it were above and beyond the call of duty. The risk of going down with the scuttled submarine being very real.

[@patrickgriffitt9136]

Most heroic actions on any side are usually performed by someone teetering on the brink of a court martial or equivalent!0

[@richardlahan7068]

The hedgehog charges would sympathetically detonate. When one exploded, it set off all the other charges in the pattern.

[@patrickmccrann991]

Richard Lahan not true. They would only detonate on contact.

[@richardlahan7068]

Patrick McCrann Incorrect information I read in a history book.

[@bdonkulousgames8562]

if the triggers were sensitive enough to be set off by touching something while free falling in water then im sure they would be set off by pressure waves whether they were designed to or not.

[@patrickmccrann991]

Still wrong, they were not set of by sympathetic detonation. They were a simple contact fuse with a shaped charge to penetrate the pressure hull.

[@john9972]

@@richardlahan7068 my father was in the Royal Navy and worked on development of the system. You are correct, if one in the pattern detomated the concussion would set off the rest.

[@welshpete12]

The hedgehog antisubmarine weapon was a British invention . First used in 1941 by HMS Westcott .

[@broworm1]

It always amazes me how little credit is given to overseas inventions in American documentaries..

[@sirtristram8297]

The hedgehog pattern hit the water about 200 metres ahead of the destroyer. A ping from the destroyer's sonar has made a round trip of 400 metres when the echo from the U-boat is picked up by the destroyer. The speed of sound in sea-water is about 1500 metres/sec so there's about 0.25 seconds between the ping being transmitted and the echo being received. You had to measure that time very accurately to get the correct timing of firing the hedgehog, and allow for the time-of-flight of the mortar bombs in the air before they land in the water. And yet the hedgehog was surprisingly successful. It was later replaced with Squid, which fired two patterns, each of three bombs, ahead of the destroyer, one to port and one to starboard forming a hexagon about 200 metres ahead of the ship. Squid's bombs did not explode on contact; they were electronically set, before they were fired, to explode at the estimated depth of the U-boat.

[@grahampahl7100]

Hedgehog and it's rival, squid, exploded on contact. A hit from hedgehog was a certain kill, unlike depth charges.

[@deathdragon2283]

Squid didnt explode on contact. It was set to detonate 25 feet above and below the target submarine. The depth could be changed up to the moment of launch. The resulting pressure wave would crush the submarine like a tin can

[@WildBillCox13]

The reason Hedgehog allowed contact to be maintained during the pass is because while depth charges always detonate, whether or not they strike a target (roiling the water, rendering SoNAR and Hydrophones unusable for minutes at a time), Hedgehog projectiles only detonated if they struck a target.

[@busteraycan]

Doesn't that also mean they have a less chance of actually hitting/damaging the target?

[@geoh7777]

@@busteraycan According to the statistics compiled under combat, the answer is a resounding No.

[@nikko5354]

That hedgehog reminds me of the movie battleship. The allien ships shoots things like that.

[@DamienDarksideBlog]

They used the Hedgehogs as inspiration for it. With how the pegs work in the IRL game, those look a lot like the Hedgehogs and they paired those designs for Alien Tech since pretty much nobody knows about the Hedgehogs. Kinda like how in Star Wars, they just took a ton of surplus WW2 weapons and added a black finish with some extra metal. If they can take something you might know, and tweak it into an alien object, it is cheaper than making it all up yourself.

[@leifjohnson617]

If any of you want a really good read about the Allied effort against the U-boats I recommend "Black May." It's a fascinating read about how the Allies had to learn how to get the upper hand in the war against the U-boats.

[@mastersgt3588]

Looks like the one used in movie battleship by the aliens

[@BeenDownSoLong...]

One single hedgehog hit. They were all finally removed from service from USCG High Endurance Cutters in the late 60s, being replaced with anti-sub torpedoes. The existing ammo for the hedgehogs had become dangerously unstable with age and was no longer produced, and modern weaponry spelled obsolescence.