A weird guy invaded me and i died :(

[@bluegum6438]

It's like watching a cat play with its food. You're done here, he's just waiting for the funniest moment.

[@watoyatoauto8526]

The host wasnt bad either. You can tell he knew how to play for sure. He was just way undergeared/underleveled compared to the twink invader.

[@bluegum6438]

@@watoyatoauto8526 yeah I didn't mean to imply the host sucks or anything, the invader's gear is literally insurmountable

[@mollywhoppedsouls_pvp]

I loved his bow at the end like he was some honorable opponent and didnt stack every advantage/end game spell like dark bead and black flame😂

[@mez.bastian]

Yeah, but it needs effort to achive all of that and still being able to invade the undead parish

[@sweet_sweetiepie]

@@mez.bastian twinking aint easy but it sure is fun

[@CrocodrilloX]

funny thing here is great combustion does significantly more damage than black flame, black flame is only for its poise damage

[@mollywhoppedsouls_pvp]

@CrocodrilloX which is wayy more beneficial (in pvp) than raw dmg

[@CrocodrilloX]

@@mollywhoppedsouls_pvp depends, kicks are usually the best, black flame is for breaking 61 poise, but kicks can usually combo into an r1 from weapons like chaos blade, and on switch black knight great axe gets an r1 combo off from kick. Generally speaking though, great combustion does around 2-300 damage more on average, and is more worth it than black flame because of kicks

[@BrandonDurry]

Fairest low level invasion

[@LuisCarlos-oo9im]

I can confirm it

[@antarikshification]

He just wasn't in the mood of dying.

[@bowshattersg7776]

He was chill for the most part. Notice how he intentionally two hand the dark hand which is glitched so he does no damage. If you were chill back I'm pretty sure he'd even give you some items.

[@grass324]

tbf he should've gestured instead of trying to hit him without the guy having no clue it didn't deal damage

[@dylanwoodward5256]

Trusting an invader tends to end badly 99% of the time. Besides, they block progress. If you wanna help, put a summon sign down.

[@nofearofwater]

@@dylanwoodward5256yeah I tried to trust a twinker at the undead burg and he instantly killed me

[@adamcadek6606]

still one of the better-mannered darkwraiths

[@SHUNGITE-EMPLOYEE]

Valiant effort soldier

[@thepainkiller5527]

Well...at least he didn't rush your arse and teleport backstab you over and over again while looking directly at you. If anything, this was probably one of the nicer player invaders because at least he let you backstab and hit him...

[@AccelSternritter]

You are defending scum

[@aritrasom9536]

It was just for the red tearstone ring I believe

[@realcuondaotherside]

He's a twink. They're the worst kind of invader

[@Dr.Vinheim]

​@@aritrasom9536no?..

[@janyozenith4331]

How do invaders teleport backstab? Is it due to ping or hacks?

[@dylanwoodward5256]

Unfortunately this is how practically all invasions go in the first game now. Invaders only twink. Youll never find anyone invade you at higher levels because they no longer have an advantage.

[@screwgoogle4993]

twink this twink that. i like making actual builds, not going to sl500 and making spellcasting havel #39864789. "twink". try not crying every time you die in a souls game. oh no, the weapon swapped dark hand wiggled at you and didnt try to kill you right away! better attack him in a panic.... i lost! so unfair waaaahh im gonna cry about it to reddit! fool. theres weapon level matching, twinks dont exist in dsr. crybaby. oh no, your sl 300 build isnt complete yet, better bitch and say twink... because why should you be expected to upgrade your weapon to +4? its not like andre sells the materials right by that bonfire. nope, better fight with unupgraded weapons and call it twinking when you lose.

[@jayleno1121]

Yeah got invaded at the start of undead burg by someone with shadow magic that one shot me lol

[@hidan407]

What is twink?

[@jayleno1121]

@@hidan407 Something gay, look it up on google images.

[@julesbrown4319]

​@@hidan407 Low level players with high level/special equipment. They generally invade noobs or other low level players to troll and kill them.

[@AccelSternritter]

Ah the moment he pulled out the dark spells i lost the little respect i had for that tiny red dude

[@aorimiku]

The guy did drop some gold pine resin for the host though

[@cheeseisgood17]

Are dark spells good in pvp? I wouldn't know cuz on Switch, multiplayer is impossible :c

[@Shrooman_01]

​@@cheeseisgood17 multiplayer on switch is dope cuz is active and the dlc is easy enough

[@cheeseisgood17]

@@Shrooman_01 It's active? That's a surprise. I'm on NG+6, never once have I been invaded. I cannot find worlds to invade. And I've sat in the DLC arena for hours searching for players before.

[@Shrooman_01]

@@cheeseisgood17 what level are you cuz you usually get invaded between 90 and 140

[@colbyboucher6391]

They didn't even try attacking you until you wouldn't stop attacking them.

[@buttbuttwhat1]

DBZ in a nutshell.

[@AnxiousBlue]

Why would anyone attack an invader in Dark Souls, ridiculous

[@unfrnate]

its an invasion, he's a new player, he's going to attack the invader. see how that works?

[@Oni_Aqui]

Welcome to Dark Souls moment.

[@karlmannvoigt7546]

That's rough buddy

[@ThePhysicalReaction]

if you can't win the battle, you can at least start running towards the nearest bonfire and save yourself some leg-work for lost souls.

[@SneedFeedAndSeed]

virgin halabarder vs chad weird guy

[@dylanwoodward5256]

The amount if people trying to defend the invader is depressing. But then again, everyone justifies tweaking in ER so idk what i was expecting.

[@sacknutgaming2428]

Whats tweaking

[@sashisuugi4944]

@@sacknutgaming2428 giving endgame items to a fresh account for the purposes of invading.

[@Jayjeez-qw1by]

You're in a situation where you're not going to beat them. The best way to outsmart them is just to run and hide, or make your way to the boss door. The best thing that can happen is they fall off an edge or make them lose their Patience. Either way, these are very rare occasions that can be completely avoided by just playing in offline mode.

[@Jayjeez-qw1by]

You're in a situation where you're not going to beat them. The best way to outsmart them is just to run and hide, or make your way to the boss door. The best thing that can happen is they fall off an edge or make them lose their Patience. Either way, these are very rare occasions that can be completely avoided by just playing in offline mode.

[@giantfriendcrab6571]

What exactly do you think he did wrong? Getting invaded is part of the risk you accept when you go human. You noobs really will cry about anything.

[@mll9700]

Seems fine to me. He even let you finish mob without interrupting, a gentleman indeed but a weird one

[@darkfeeels]

I used to invade like this when I was bored. I'd just invade to watch someone clear a map and then wave them before the boss fog gate. It would not do anything _menacingly_

[@VinitsyReznov]

a spell-build user invading low level, wow this guy is so good at this game

[@Garl_Vinland]

The host was completely hollow, if he was polite to the invader he might of lived and even got a present

[@LeeJingerZhred]

Poor guy is just trying to be nice and goof around not even attacking They only fought back cuz you kept attacking Idk why people think they're some sort of evil twink with end game gear they're just using base dark bead (it's not at all op on its own only with certain toxic set ups like cod twop), dark hand, and combustion He even bowed in the end He deserved better

[@LeeJingerZhred]

Edit: the invader wasn't using the dark bead. They're using the dark orb spell, which is a slow spell with no tracking

[@xt2l-x6r]

are you trolling, combustion is one of the best spells in pvp and he has oolacile catalyst with dark orb to oneshot people who assume dark bead roll timings lol

[@LeeJingerZhred]

@xt2l-x6r I am not trolling I'm aware that gcombust and bf are some of the best spells in pvp, but they aren't some kind of "op end game spells" like people described The point is that the invader is falsely stigmatized and I felt bad for them. It's not the op's fault just the general reaction to the concept of invading makes me feel depressed. I didn't know about the dark orb trick. It has been a meme spell for a while so I never thought of that. Thx for pointing it out

[@caiqueportolira]

Because he's a cheater? The invader is clearly a cheater with infinite stam and too much hp

[@chaoticstarfish3401]

I really wish Fromsoftware had just made upgrades not matter in PvP. Just set the damage parameters to a default upgrade level for all armor and weapons, and early game invasions wouldn't be nearly as nightmarishly balanced as they've been. That, and the Estus use upgrades in future games, where the host may have 3 charges healing 200 HP and the invader 7 healing 1000 HP, were such easy things to make more balanced....

[@Dr.Vinheim]

Hes chill why are you mad

[@crymore3251]

this

[@mantidream8179]

This brings back fond memories of terrorizing new players while invading at soul level 1. If they were polite I would drop them goodies, but most just got a face full of lightning axe

[@lucazaroli6761]

He dropped you stuff and you still attacked him? No etiquette

[@sasaki999pro]

Its genuinely astounding how in 15 years fromsoft's blithering incompetence at balancing their multiplayer hasnt improved a SINGLE iota, even in Elden Ring twinks can still grab endgame DLC items SL1 with no upgrades and harass players starting in limgrave. 7 Max Flasks All 4 Talisman slots unlocked all with the most powerful talisman varients, like Shard of Alexander, Dragoncrest Greatshield Late Game Flask of physic combo's A nigh unlimited arsenal of consumable items, Like frenzied flame stones that can just heal you for free, golden vow, lulling branches, starlight shards, boiled crab, perfumes, giant pots, and ashes of war that are toxic regardless of your level like swift slash or whatever flavor of the week is haunting the latest patch. vs Players with like 5 +2 flasks 2 talisman slots (probably 5% HP and whatever random cave talisman they found first) a flask of physic probably still dedicated to restoring half their HP at best because they havent fought any avatars has maybe 3 firepots if they even acknowledge crafting in the first place, the one exalted flesh they got from alexander, and ruin fragments they dont know what to do with. And still using their default ash of war.

[@matt6231]

This tbh, I was just doing online on a fresh character with a buddy who's never played before and we had *only* twink invasions. And I wanna say, even normal invasions are already cancer enough while in open world, but this was just abominable. Thankfully I know how to play the game a little bit so I could fight an uphill battle against the juiced invaders while my buddy just watched, but it was so insanely long and boring that we were better off just doing whatever as if the invade wasn't happening, or just jump off a cliff to get it over with faster. Needless to say, we really quickly switched to seamless, which was an altogether more enjoyable experience with no invisible walls, no latency, and no invasions. And then these guys wonder why online on pc is dead.

[@liamrobertson9508]

All the people complaining about invasions as if the play offline function isn't a thing

[@dylanwoodward5256]

People acting like playing offline solves all their problems.

[@janyozenith4331]

​@@dylanwoodward5256Doesn't it? I mean, all the problems regarding invasions, that is.

[@dylanwoodward5256]

@@janyozenith4331 if you ignore a whole different experience with the co-op system and disregard how people feel about that like OP is doing? Then sure, that just solves everything.

[@janyozenith4331]

@@dylanwoodward5256 Yeah, I think so.

[@screwgoogle4993]

@@dylanwoodward5256 you could also just buy 9 titanite right by that bonfire so you dont fight with an unupgraded battle axe.... nah. that would take away your reason to complain, which is all you really want to do. no, the guy wasnt summoning phantoms, you can see he was fighting the enemies well into the zone while human. no, he wasnt going toward the boss either. you have nothing but excuses. BUY TITANITE! ANDRE SELLS IT! morons...

[@marksmanhanson6239]

Wow, he has a really good build

[@Nyan4Eon]

Since no one is reading this I used to Lloyds talisman+ dung pie for a slow death and Twop dark bead players on nintendo switch in the undead parish at sl14 4 years ago

[@pao_lumu]

What a fun interaction. Just as miyazaki intended.

[@angeloostjen7819]

Esse invasor é "bugado"... Os movimento dele na tela não são coerentes e o hitbox é impreciso. O melhor é andar na forma undead nessa parte pra evitar o encontro e ficar humano só na hora de ir do Andre pras gárgulas, se quiser a ajuda do Solaire na luta.

[@mollywhoppedsouls_pvp]

Ds1 twinking is no joke 😂

[@HaveYouHeardOfManedWolves]

This is why DS2's soul memory is almost a better system than level-based matchmaking, all it needed was to lose soul memory when you die and get it back when you pick up those souls so you don't end up with higher soul memory than someone who's used and who has the same amount of souls as you (and probably some numerical tweaks)

[@foxrayn6872]

@@HaveYouHeardOfManedWolves then twinks would just die on purpose to get rid of their souls and stay at low soul memory, soul memory just doesn’t work

[@HeldIntegral]

​@@HaveYouHeardOfManedWolvessaid no one ever

[@HaveYouHeardOfManedWolves]

@@HeldIntegral apologies, I didn't realize I don't exist, I'll return to the boundless void from whence I came now.

[@dylanwoodward5256]

​@@HeldIntegralyou literally just go onto everyone's comment just to say something negative.

[@franciscoreza8295]

Hmm the dude seems chill

[@enn1924]

Cool guy vs weird guy, the battle of all times

[@KeepCalmCapybara]

I've got invaded by a girl (maybe a guy, but the name and the character was feminine... whatever) two times this week in Dark Souls II. What a weird person, wearing clown like clothes and using a dagger, a staff and a moonlight greatsword. I killed it at the first time, but at the second, the battle endured for quite some time it got boring. Why? dude was just running around doing nothing, and I could not progress in the game while he/she was there. And when i was about to do something, the dude trolled and attaked, but when I went to fight him, he just got away to do nothing again. I ended up dying, cause he used some weird ass magic.

[@-.-George-.-]

That's why you don't get human in low level areas, every invader is a cheater

[@SanguineousScion]

Yeah, made that mistake too many times myself One time I was trying to help a friend through the place, then we get invaded by a twink But not as friendly as this one, he immediately ran towards us with the Lifehunt scythe and did that "Well, what is it" shit after we both died in one hit

[@lalar2755]

99 humanity wins again

[@foytenggald]

why nobody clips me doing this?????

[@GuntPunderson-jl5ni]

ah, The Elder Scrolls Online. My favorite game

[@valtiel7734]

I remember I either got invaded or it was whenever I summoned a cooperator they dropped me the max amount of charcoal pine resin and then dipped lol

[@Dominic13337]

I would've disconnected, that guy has no reason to be invading at such a low level area

[@skye6184]

You do know that invasions are paired by level? Some of the spells he wielded were ng+, meaning he beat the game while staying at a low enough level and weapon reinforcement to be paired with players at the beginning of the game. One of the spells he used was also locked behind Artorias which is considered one of the harder bossfights in the game, even more so when you have very little stats, since you can't knock him out of his damage buff.

[@goingunleashed5826]

⁠​⁠@@skye6184You actually can stop artorias' buff even when underleveled, because staggering him is based off the (flat) poise damage of your weapon type, and not actual health damage.

[@skye6184]

@@goingunleashed5826 that is good to know

[@Freshomania]

massive loser energy, also that just means youll instantly get invaded again because no invasion cooldown

[@Dominic13337]

@@Freshomania I only disconnect if the invader has OP gear, if it's a normal player I'll fight since it's actually fair and I'm not getting one shotted by a player running dark magic with full giants armor

[@kawamikazecheant]

You died with honor 👍( I'm glad I'm playing offline 😅)

[@JSON_bourne]

Miss one crappy PVP experience and a ton of great ones. Good job. 🤡

[@HeldIntegral]

"My liege.." looking ass 🤪

[@johnkalyvas4838]

If an invader has upgraded armor and 99 humanity you can barely even scratch him without upgraded weapons. And his DLC spells let him one tap new characters at low levels and without upgrades. That's why you should never be online in DS1 unless you are playing on a completed PvP build.

[@EatTheChip99]

This is why i play offline

[@pluckybellhop66]

I like how they didn't end it because they won a battle, they ended it because they were bored 😂

[@local.interloper]

How does someone of high SL manage to invade someone of a low SL?

[@shadowgnyaganteng]

I think he would die if you backstab him with gravelord sword

[@tonybigbee-om1pq]

he was trying to see if you'd do anything besides use your r1 button which that's all you used which is very sad but common early game.

[@luckyluke31813]

At least this guy knows honor. There are a lot of jerks in these games.

[@OutshinedOutlaw]

Damn, Elder Scrolls Online got some whack ass invaders. Well fought coolguy

[@chemicznezabawki1728]

With that amount of twinkage, this invader fought like the biggest scrublord for sure. You won that fight tbh.

[@HeldIntegral]

He died

[@dylanwoodward5256]

​@@HeldIntegralif you cheat or tweak, you already lost.

[@SonsOfHllor]

​@@dylanwoodward5256 no? Literally no

[@dylanwoodward5256]

@@SonsOfHllor no, I'm pretty sure he did. Thanks for the uneducated opinion I guess.

[@kaysonpiano]

Exactly why I play offline and offline only.

[@punkwie122]

free pine resin!

[@Paramurasaki]

After playing DS2 for so long this one looks odd :D But I love soul absorption sound

[@Dev-3214]

He was just a nice man

[@Turbo-DF]

Average single brain-celled Elden ring player tries dark souls and can't comprehend he has a friendly invader even when he starts trying to drop items and doesn't fight back at all Deserved

[@TaylorWuSuperStar]

lmao bro why are you so mad?

[@RootVegetabIe]

Yeah like Elden Ring doesn't have the exact same friendly invaders. Stop being buttmad that a thing you like is popular now.

[@Turbo-DF]

who says im mad you schizos

[@kennethcaruso5178]

Why would you invade to be friendly? Seems suspicious

[@memenazi7078]

@@kennethcaruso5178because there’s no other way to forcibly enter a world. Some people invade to help u against other pvp players

[@RichardULong]

2:15 how did it not click that this guy was just messing around when you literally picked up an item he dropped

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

I still don't understand why instead of making pvp more accessible in remaster, they made it so it would be even more dead by copying dark souls 3 where weapon/armor also effect it. Like how is that fun?

[@Raze1118x]

'The elder scrolls online' 😂

[@bitterthenu7278]

Why were you so aggresive. Chill dude

[@Gregagory]

He’s a new player, bet when you were a noob you were attacking people cooperator or invader 😂

[@boganjesus3277]

Title checks out

[@FEknuckle]

That guy was weird. I'm sorry you died :(

[@SuperFuzzyDunlop]

Fuckin weird guys... story of my life

[@abyssalspecter93]

"I hate these type of people" ???

[@thepheeesh]

Why i go offline in undead berg/parish

[@differentreality449]

fallout 1 pfp 🗿

[@BlueEyedMessiah]

As a guy that has over 1700 hrs in ds1r i can understand the invaders position wanting to do low level invasions with a character you built to be lvl 1, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and you go through new game + with him and are bored.

[@azathothskeleton3120]

At least that was worth the show, oï ?

[@nightmaregats]

Two hand a dark hand against noobs is funny

[@kinsumandal2467]

Elder Scrolls? isn't it Dark souls? Why is Elder Scrolls online set here?

[@soup9536]

Omfg people in this comment section who are saying that the host "deserved it" are such fucking losers. So you are saying that host shouldn't have attacked the invader because the invader was "probably friendly", really? A friendly invader wouldn't fkn kill him. Invader's entire purpose is to kill the host, do you want to keep this guy in your world? If he isn't attacking you now doesn't mean that he isn't going to backstab you in the moment he deem funny. So of course you want to get rid of this guy. And here, this guy is a newbie and the invader didn't start attacking him immediately, so the host didn't know how much damage would he take from him. If I was the host I would have assumed that the invader have some kind of vitality build. I wouldn't know that I am actually at mercy of this invader from the very beginning and the only hope I have is maybe this guy will decide to not kill me. I wouldn't know that because I am a noob who doesn't know what pvp is like in this game, what the meta is etc.

[@abyssalspecter93]

I'm not reading this

[@soup9536]

@@abyssalspecter93 yea I should probably split the text

[@lusien3309]

Fair and balanced.

[@petervandeheuvel7322]

good luck.

[@BrainBurnStudios]

Wait, I'm confused. Why do you hate "these types of people"? If you don't want to be invaded, just play offline. If you don't, then just keep in mind that being in human form makes for a riskier game. Also, the dude was just playing around with you. while he could've one-shotted you from the get-go.

[@joeyessex3292]

Right yer. I’m sure that guy just plays around with everyone… specifically new or low level players while he is completely twinked tf out. Telling people to just play offline solves NOTHING. Being online has a lot of positives like seeing player ghosts and messages/bloodstaines. The world feels more alive with those elements. Sad zit covered geeks who just twink themselves and have a 100% chance to kill players like the ones in the video ultimately ruin the game and are part of the reason why pvp is so divisive in these games. And what you say doesn’t even make sense… “he could have just one shotted you” bruh he is literally like a predator playing with his prey. The prey can do literally nothing to win and it’s hopeless. All that player can do is wait for him to kill him. How is that better than just getting oneshot? Atleast kill me quickly so I can carry on enjoying this amazing game. People like you legit annoy tf outa me you just ignore the problems and think you’re clever by telling people to play offline. STOP TWINKING AND THAT FIXES EVERYTHING.

[@ShitOwl]

in offline u dont get to see the messages tho and thats half the fun

[@BrainBurnStudios]

@CR7FAN_EDITOR sorry, I didn't get what you mean. You can switch from offline to online while playing

[@omocat4944]

Didn't get the hate for the invader, dude was chill as hell.

[@leoortiiiz]

​@@omocat4944if he was chill he wouldnt use a glitched dark hand and endgame spells to kill a level 20 lol

[@cancelme9253]

W Twink

[@juanrolon9682]

Wasn't that legend27??

[@molecular_deer]

the hell was that shield

[@TheDerkus]

the Dark Hand

[@MrMashroom]

can't be two-handed normally like here and thus is gliched out (hits at the start do no damage, endurance isn't lowered when hit, however backstabs still work with it), useful against gankers used this way

[@LOLquendoTV]

You didnt do half bad tbh

[@davidanderson9967]

Idk why you were so rude. He just wanted to watch you

[@FecalMatador]

Ahh, DS1 pvp. Twinks invading the starting area with endgame gear 😂. DS1 has the worst pvp of all fromsoft titles

[@okname5335]

this game is so hard they should make it easy to win i cant believe your opponents can be so much stronger than you thats way to difficult no one can win against enemies that kill you so fast this game will not be popular if they dont patch this out or add boosts to the shop

[@grass324]

Get a really strong weapon early on (Great scythe, Black knight halberd, black knight greatsword, uchigatana) or don't go human to interact with these pos. Some red dudes can be nice to new players, some are asses.

[@HeldIntegral]

You're the weird one. Seriously, pressing r2? What do you think this is, Elden Ring?

[@luxinterna3370]

I hate those time wasters

[@zero-sv6bx]

❤

[@GodlikeOCD]

lagswitcher

[@HeldIntegral]

😂

[@henrilil1439]

sorry to tell you man... but it's a cheater

[@Sin-Nombre04]

He isn't a cheater, he didn't do anything weird that could indicate he was one

[@MrMashroom]

no cheats here, only a little glitch that allows dark hand being wielded in both hands (accessable for everyone)

[@LuisCarlos-oo9im]

​@@MrMashroom What glitch is that? One day I ran into someone who did the same thing but he was taking the fair damage.

[@MrMashroom]

@@LuisCarlos-oo9im if you wield a weapon which can be 2-handed (but you're currently 1-handing it), roll, press the button to 2-hand and switch to dark hand (all during the roll), you can also wield it in both hands. Damage still goes through like with 1 hand (80% damage reduction all across the parameters) but you don't get any stamina damage at all, great for gankers with twop

[@AWESOMO5]

Bro wanted to chill and goof around, but no you had to be mean. Sure he invaded you, but he was polite, let you kill mob, dropped you items, was defending the whole time. He only attacked back when you wouldnt stop. On Santa's naughty list you go

[@screwgoogle4993]

its amazing how loud the reddit crowd gets, but they never address this. its always "muh singleplayerrrrr" but they also want to summon phantoms. babies used to being babied.

[@pao_lumu]

Do you really expect a first timer who's only in Parish to know invasion etiquette? Chill out.

[@ricardomilos4373]

Overleveled cheater, nothing else

[@HeldIntegral]

😂

[@pochtipro]

Thanks to the great invasion system of this beautiful game, I can run around at level 20 and one-shot backstab noobies in plague city. I destroy about 50-60 noobies a day.

[@oklafornia3643]

You clearly understand Dark Bead counterplay, which means you've been playing for quite a while, which means you should have seen the black flame coming the moment he switched to gauntlet. 🫤 sorry to be harsh but you have to be reading their hands.

[@sebastiananselmi7020]

Hi man! You are ignoring end game spells on lvl like 30 invasion and 30 vitality invader either. This guy was way more levelled, and ds1 is equipement based matchmaking. Furthermore, the invader already rushed dlc while this poor man is coming to the church in new game (since halberd is not picked up yet). Poor soul. If he had 40 lvls more, with few upgrades in dmg, he would have beaten his as in few hits Edit: It's not matchmaking equipment based but lvl based, so we have still a disparity in terms of dmg (meta build vs casual one, which is virtually weaker).

[@Dr.Vinheim]

​@@sebastiananselmi7020he was clearly playing with him though, isn't that obvious??