A17 Pro Review: Powerful, But Should Be More Efficient!

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极客湾Geekerwan

极客湾Geekerwan

8 ай бұрын

iPhone 15 Pro系列的究极性能评测来啦!这次我们拿到了iPhone 15系列全系新机,想看看A17 Pro的性能和功耗到底如何吗?想知道新出的MetalFX超分到底效果怎样吗?生化危机真的能跑动吗?新iPhone的散热和续航又如何呢?一起来看看吧!
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@geekerwan1024
@geekerwan1024 7 ай бұрын
更新:白天推了iOS17.0.2,这应该算是首日补丁了,我们也抓紧拿新系统复测了一次续航,似乎稍微改善了耗电问题。这次iPhone 15 Pro Max的续航来到了7小时44分钟,虽然相比上一代仍然是倒退的,但退的比较少了。iPhone 15 Pro反而没有增长太多,这次是6小时11分钟,依然是明显退步的。
@jayakn6829
@jayakn6829 7 ай бұрын
看了很多的評測:應該是散熱影響的所有的功耗跟性能表現。 極克灣有似的給a17冷卻加冷氣環境下+風扇測試嗎? 我們都知道即刻灣都是用很殘酷的手段,在用晶片性能、這是一個很好的方式、特殊極限🎉👍👍。 但是這次恐怕是因為散熱設計不良,影響到A 17。 那如果用幫助散熱可不可以釋出17真正的性能呢? 這只是一個建議(一個是熱、一個是冷)。
@ryanw4083
@ryanw4083 7 ай бұрын
@@jayakn6829 4:47 這裡不就有說到有讓所有測試機型都使用散熱模具來避免測試性能時的散熱影響了嗎?沒看完影片?
@jayakn6829
@jayakn6829 7 ай бұрын
@@ryanw4083 我是說給這個晶片更冷的環境。 克灣都習慣用全性能運轉模式。 我比較好奇的是這個晶片真正的實力是如何? 按照道理說看了這麼多的視頻跟測試、 我總覺得17的實力被壓住。
@ryanw4083
@ryanw4083 7 ай бұрын
@@jayakn6829 手機上下都被超級半導體散熱器佈滿散熱還不夠冷?你真的有看到影片那邊半導體散熱器的狀況?你難道不知道半導體散熱器比把手機放在冷氣房還要冷?
@jayakn6829
@jayakn6829 7 ай бұрын
@@ryanw4083 1.我從頭到尾都沒有否定極克灣! 2.按照你這種說法如果要比冷的話冷凍、冷藏庫房絕對更冷(接管子導引出來、然後風扇在接著吹背面、在冷氣房) 3.我只是認為說A17這一個晶片絕對不只這個性能。
@ianhys
@ianhys 7 ай бұрын
了解新iphone的標準流程:看鍾文澤評體驗、看影視颶風評影像、看極客灣評性能
@00dcgsyz
@00dcgsyz 7 ай бұрын
中肯,我也是一路這樣看過來🤣
@ishen770818
@ishen770818 7 ай бұрын
三點綜合 我看小白評測就搞定
@user-kd7go2hq6w
@user-kd7go2hq6w 7 ай бұрын
看大耳朵評個帶勁
@hannn6620
@hannn6620 7 ай бұрын
@@user-kd7go2hq6w 阿芬開箱還得看大耳朵 配上一喳喳灰 非常帶勁非常beautiful
@huyo._.1115
@huyo._.1115 7 ай бұрын
跟我一樣😂
@sparkzhu
@sparkzhu 7 ай бұрын
现在像极客湾这样实打实最评测的太难能可贵了,在这个物质充斥的时代,全球各个媒体都在快餐式的做着软广告式的所谓的评测,感谢还有极客湾不忘初心的坚持这样的认知评测,大大的点赞支持!
@dvdd1130
@dvdd1130 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the awesome review!
@teax_channel
@teax_channel 7 ай бұрын
Damn, rich man!
@kevinchenlife
@kevinchenlife 7 ай бұрын
rich rich!
@wodouyao2516
@wodouyao2516 7 ай бұрын
rich 😮
@DankBudsYT
@DankBudsYT 2 ай бұрын
Lol what
@sevbait
@sevbait 7 ай бұрын
This is the best review team publishing to this platform. Well done team, and thank you for day one English subtitles. 👏
@willl459
@willl459 7 ай бұрын
五分钟前我还在找15pro的分析,被分心看了其他视频,再搜一下你们就刚好上传出来了🤣
@charles2011223
@charles2011223 7 ай бұрын
感佩up主科學嚴謹實證的態度🎉
@ryanle1994
@ryanle1994 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your contribution. I'm not a game-person when it comes to using mobile. I will wait for more battery life tests. Respect!
@shawman5676
@shawman5676 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the detailed review that looks at more than Geekbench 6 benchmarks. Thanks especially for subtitles as well.
@TheRealDancisfrake
@TheRealDancisfrake 7 ай бұрын
Nice review! Thanks for including 3DMark Solar Bay. We worked hard to get it out in time for the Apple keynote. :-) All the best from Finland from team UL Futuremark!
@skyhawk21
@skyhawk21 7 ай бұрын
So is battery life really that bad on iPhone 15 pro max or will it mature with iOS 17? 3nm didn’t help?
@TheRealDancisfrake
@TheRealDancisfrake 7 ай бұрын
I honestly can’t say. We don’t have an iPhone 15 pro max/iPhone 15 series device, yet. I am waiting for more insight from the in-depth reviews that should pop up during the next days and weeks. I have always been the Pro Max fan, still have an iPhone 13 Pro Max, that I like a lot. :-)
@TheLegend-yl6eu
@TheLegend-yl6eu 7 ай бұрын
终于等到你!上班摸鱼看这个最适合了❤
@observerby3721
@observerby3721 7 ай бұрын
肝了,这期测试太快了!❤
@SunsetNova
@SunsetNova 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic in depth review ❤. Im disappointed in the lack of efficiency
@uytin99
@uytin99 7 ай бұрын
this is much better than western tech reviewer❤
@BWolf_
@BWolf_ 7 ай бұрын
Bro, I saw this on the English channel and got exited, but now that I discovered that you have a 2 channel with more content i got a little jealous :"c
@k53345018
@k53345018 7 ай бұрын
終於等到你的評測了!
@brucezhao9136
@brucezhao9136 7 ай бұрын
速度够快,幕前幕后的同学们辛苦了!
@suni08
@suni08 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely incredible analysis
@hhz246
@hhz246 7 ай бұрын
虽然很多专业性的分析 但是也非常的清晰易懂,看得出来极客湾投入了很多的经历,测评视频很棒 👍👍
@chrislee7352
@chrislee7352 7 ай бұрын
最專業的測試❤🎉
@SyuAsyou
@SyuAsyou 7 ай бұрын
感謝詳細評測,先不急著下結論,持續觀察一段時間。
@vasudevmenon2496
@vasudevmenon2496 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for detailed architecture breakdown and analysis ❤. The graph transition was much smoother than high refresh screens
@user-ei3iw4vi3s
@user-ei3iw4vi3s 7 ай бұрын
這評測,真的 夠牛逼👍
@AriaKinji1716
@AriaKinji1716 7 ай бұрын
感謝 製作乾貨辛苦了
@user-cf5uf7vf2g
@user-cf5uf7vf2g 7 ай бұрын
好頂的review,謝謝
@user-jp2qy8tz4l
@user-jp2qy8tz4l 7 ай бұрын
真的牛B了,看完後決定等明年看看
@donif
@donif 7 ай бұрын
best review in the planet.. well done ✅
@thomashsu5538
@thomashsu5538 7 ай бұрын
終於等到了
@OnlineGirlfd
@OnlineGirlfd 7 ай бұрын
太好了,刚发布视频就看到
@stevege8368
@stevege8368 7 ай бұрын
帅呆了,等的就是极客湾的能效测试。
@user-mc8mq1ym1h
@user-mc8mq1ym1h 7 ай бұрын
真的,我也是再等極客灣評測~
@ZhangEden
@ZhangEden 7 ай бұрын
摘要: 视频对A17 Pro芯片的CPU架构进行逆向分析,发现相比A16,大核心解码宽度从8增至9,ALU执行单元从6个增至8个,整数调度队列也有所增加。这说明A17 Pro在CPU架构层面进行了重新设计和调整,提高了并行度和指令吞吐量。测试结果显示A17 Pro的CPU单核性能较A16提升10%左右,但峰值功耗高达4W以上。GPU方面,仅提升20%的性能就达到了11W的高功耗。续航测试显示,相比上代iPhone,新机续航时间显著下降。总体来说,A17 Pro的架构优化确实带来了一定的性能提升,但能效方面的进步很有限,高功耗可能会影响实际体验。 1. A17 Pro CPU架构调整,提升并行度 解码宽度从8增至9,提高前端吞吐量 ALU从6个增加到8个,整数执行能力提升 调度队列深度增加,后端并行度提高 架构调整提高了指令级并行度(IPC) *这次A17 Pro在CPU架构层面进行了大幅调整,主要通过增加核心组件的宽度和队列深度,来提高各个流水段的并行处理能力。这可以提高单个时钟周期内处理的指令数量,减少处理器空闲时间,从而提高指令吞吐量。这种通过提升并行度来获得性能提升的做法,被称为指令级并行(ILP)。ILP和频率、流水线都是提升CPU性能的三大手段。 2.A17 Pro单核CPU性能提升10%,但峰值功耗高 SPEC2017测试单核整数提升10.2%,浮点7.6% CPU峰值功耗高达4W以上,比A16提升近1W 性能提升主要来自更高频率和IPC 高功耗可能影响散热和续航表现 *尽管A17 Pro在CPU架构层面进行了提升,但测试结果显示,其单核性能提升幅度并没有跟上频率的大幅提升。这说明IPC的提升空间已经非常有限。为使得性能指标看起来更优秀,不得不采用更为激进的Boost策略,将峰值功耗提升近1W之多。这种做法让人担心在负载较重时,是否会出现严重的过热或电量消耗问题。 3. GPU功耗高但性能提升有限 GPU仅提升20%的性能,高达11W功耗 性能提升空间有限,主要来自核心数量增加 光线追踪等效果会大幅提升功耗 GPU能效方面仅与上代持平 *A17 Pro的GPU采用了新的架构,但是测试结果显示,其性能提升非常有限,仅比上代iPhone GPU提升20%。考虑到A17 Pro增加了一个GPU核心,这意味着新的GPU架构自身并没有带来超出预期的性能改进。为实现更强的图形效果,GPU的峰值功耗达到了非常高的11W。可见功耗控制仍是A17 Pro的一大问题。 4.续航表现下降,高功耗可能是关键因素 5G网络环境下,续航时间显著下降 15 Pro Max比上代减少40分钟,15 Pro只有6小时 峰值功耗过高是导致续航下降的可能原因 中低负载时能效与上代持平 *尽管台积电3nm工艺在理论上可以带来能效的改善,但是A17 Pro在续航表现上出现了明显的退步。测试显示,在5G网络环境下,新款iPhone的续航时间比上代产品显著缩短。考虑到中低负载时两者能效相近,峰值功耗的大幅提高很可能是导致续航下降的主要原因。此问题有待苹果通过散热结构优化或软件限频来解决,否则可能严重影响用户体验。 5.总体来说性能有提升但能效增益有限 A17 Pro确实带来了一定的架构优化和性能提升 但工艺节点升级的能效收益并不明显 峰值功耗过高也许会影响实际使用体验 续航表现不佳也令人担忧 期待后续优化来控制功耗,改善散热和续航
@user-jp6ud4ws9b
@user-jp6ud4ws9b 7 ай бұрын
幫你頂
@henryjuang9999
@henryjuang9999 7 ай бұрын
厲害 專業 辛苦你們啦
@uytin99
@uytin99 7 ай бұрын
This is the best type of reviews! There is no channels that do these in-depth review anymore. Instead they just say phone is nice, then some long-ass about camera, then this phone is a good buy. I support you guys ❤
@abhinavbisht9851
@abhinavbisht9851 7 ай бұрын
all the others channel talk about is the FEELS of a smartphone and stupid software features and experiences😂
@milkoowen6800
@milkoowen6800 7 ай бұрын
​@@abhinavbisht9851software features that 99% of people don't use anyway, or use once and forget.
@nick94890
@nick94890 7 ай бұрын
@@abhinavbisht9851 Feels and experience matter. No matter how powerful the CPU is, the overall performance and user experience is the core of the product. If the CPU doesn't make the the product better, it's useless at all.
@RiqMoran
@RiqMoran 7 ай бұрын
Every channel nowadays just mindlessly parrots the marketing bs from the apple keynote word for word. Zero critical thinking.
@t-dog7401
@t-dog7401 7 ай бұрын
IMO most tech reviews are basically ads.
@wangkar9043
@wangkar9043 7 ай бұрын
畢竟是第一款且稍微有點趕的3奈米製程晶片,可能是為了良率在性能上還沒辦法做太多追求吧? 只能希望下一代能有更多提升了🤔
@xlh2649
@xlh2649 7 ай бұрын
就你们最专业,点赞点赞
@ArbitraryConstant
@ArbitraryConstant 7 ай бұрын
glad you added good subtitles! :)
@joechua8426
@joechua8426 7 ай бұрын
Saw Geekerwan, watched the video. Was confused why it's in Chinese, still watched the whole video 😆 Yay for CC
@mulinxie498
@mulinxie498 7 ай бұрын
Two Channel
@drakefrogstardust8339
@drakefrogstardust8339 7 ай бұрын
Cause they are an Chinese channel from the very beginning 😂
@user-xm6nz5sz3w
@user-xm6nz5sz3w 7 ай бұрын
全網最專業的SOC評測&橫向對比
@EnochGitongaKimathi
@EnochGitongaKimathi 7 ай бұрын
I've just been sent here from the English channel. I'm too curious to wait and I don't mind using the English Subtitles. I love the content here
@Hashim1
@Hashim1 7 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for adding the English subtitles even though it wasn't perfect
@hanzzaidan
@hanzzaidan 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for providing english's subtitles
@pgrlovebloz
@pgrlovebloz 7 ай бұрын
睡覺越少 作品越是優秀!!! 大家請支持
@QooHsuan
@QooHsuan 7 ай бұрын
厲害👍🏼這麼快
@fuguimashu
@fuguimashu 7 ай бұрын
非常棒的视频,很专业!
@rabin_john
@rabin_john 7 ай бұрын
Man, i love your channel. Fell in love with it ever since i saw your video titled 'The Smartphone CPU Review You NEED to Watch!' (on your english channel) where you have showcased what i imagine is painstakingly extracted relevant data to showcase power efficiency, and touch on important topics sucu as thermals and usable sustained performance. For the life of me, i can't understand why that video didnt blow over, especially considering that pretty much all other reviewers including the most popular ones of smartphoens are just plain shit. Looking forward to more similar data driven in depth analysis / comparison videos. All the best 😊
@takanaki4340
@takanaki4340 7 ай бұрын
来了,nice!极客湾从不让粉丝失望。
@sampan362
@sampan362 7 ай бұрын
影片製作優良
@jasonsoo6138
@jasonsoo6138 7 ай бұрын
As usual, Chinese reviewers make the best reviews videos. If you can understand Mandarin Chinese, you will be able to watch reviewers from other channels that rivals to this , or even better!
@user-bl1ux6po4h
@user-bl1ux6po4h 7 ай бұрын
iOS17.0.3修正過熱版本推出了 極客灣會在出一集測試嗎?😊
@user-ln1xq1io5m
@user-ln1xq1io5m 7 ай бұрын
希望ios 17下个版本更新后可以重新测试续航表现
@boyuchen1140
@boyuchen1140 7 ай бұрын
这是我见过最公平公正的测评
@amirtorhan2762
@amirtorhan2762 7 ай бұрын
Was hoping to see bigger improvements, especially in terms of efficiency. SD8G3 looks promising
@shinefake48
@shinefake48 7 ай бұрын
Yup, one of biggest downsides of A16 tat I didn’t like about it was the bad power efficiency compared to a15
@___Amal_
@___Amal_ 7 ай бұрын
sadly, it uses the old tsmc n4p nodes.
@RamlyJer
@RamlyJer 7 ай бұрын
​@@___Amal_it because Apple monopoly all the 3nm tsmc.. Anyway looking at the A17 pro performance is really bad maybe because the 3nm is still new and not fully optimized yet
@___Amal_
@___Amal_ 7 ай бұрын
@@uncensored7175 hope only galaxy s & z series will use it.
@1cecreampize197
@1cecreampize197 7 ай бұрын
I have no hpe for SD yet as they are moving to self made architecture instead of using arm presets
@vladmihai306
@vladmihai306 7 ай бұрын
thank you for your in depth review, very nice! seems like apple didn't really got anything from their architectural changes, so they had to unfortunately overclock the cpu to get any tangible improvements. But 3.8Ghz is a bit too high for efficiency
@Slybabyfox
@Slybabyfox 7 ай бұрын
At least apple squeeze out more space for the 8GB memory
@patrickng1287
@patrickng1287 7 ай бұрын
這個評測好強
@brandonspiterig
@brandonspiterig 7 ай бұрын
You earned a Sub good job for staying true to yourself. Wish apple address the heat dissipation issue
@gladopo
@gladopo 7 ай бұрын
大家看看這次發佈的速度,這同樣給力的測試,這發青的肝......
@Chen0926
@Chen0926 7 ай бұрын
身為GGer認真說 ,N3B節點跟N4沒有太多差異性,N3E及後續版本才能達到所謂3nm線寬。
@jadooco
@jadooco 7 ай бұрын
講出來會一堆PIP 但你說的真的怪怪的
@user-qy5mn2vt1t
@user-qy5mn2vt1t 7 ай бұрын
我可以問一下intel 的lunar lake會用n3b嗎😢
@eol1760
@eol1760 7 ай бұрын
看到這邊不得不想到英特爾跟三星的三奈米到底是啥情況?有越多廠商競爭對一般人才是好事?😅😅😅
@cyruschan1993
@cyruschan1993 7 ай бұрын
@@eol1760 現在幾nm幾nm 都是笑話啦, 根本沒有標準隨便改的, 直接看實測就完事了
@Chen0926
@Chen0926 7 ай бұрын
@@eol1760Intel RibbonFET+power via可以期待,三星這幾年製程每況愈下,從邏輯電路到記憶體廠家的調教都覺得很難駕馭
@heiqiling231
@heiqiling231 7 ай бұрын
刚点开视频我就迫不及待的点赞 太诱人了 死鬼
@SergeyO-bu7tb
@SergeyO-bu7tb 7 ай бұрын
Thanks, its good job!
@RiqMoran
@RiqMoran 7 ай бұрын
This guy puts all the american techtubers to shame. He actually reviews the phone instead of parroting the garbage from the apple event💀
@jasony4288
@jasony4288 7 ай бұрын
They are one of the best Chinese tech digital vloggers
@AryanBharucha
@AryanBharucha 7 ай бұрын
Yup
@user-ko3lt7lh8w
@user-ko3lt7lh8w 7 ай бұрын
中國人民智商很高 不輸西洋人
@user-qf4lk4hz4n
@user-qf4lk4hz4n 7 ай бұрын
23:52 手機前面整顆最大功耗10w 45fps如果能比過Steam Deck 15w 35fps,確實,很有意思, 而且離30w的780M 60fps,若能超頻可以一拚...是期待M3晶片或者桌面板的, 不過metal 3 還需要加油,現在開發還很有限,即便我公司也成功開始用了,但是初期就是遇到不少難點。
@adasouo6083
@adasouo6083 7 ай бұрын
目前Steam deck 的GPU性能可以達到GTX1050 假如從7nm換到5或3nm 說不定可以更強 蘋果再不處理散熱 再怎麼升級都會有問題 看iphone16會不會改了
@user-qf4lk4hz4n
@user-qf4lk4hz4n 7 ай бұрын
@@adasouo6083 他有放30瓦780M,780m可以當作steam deck進階版GPU,使用是4nm,另外按照這測試3跟5nm差不多。 你應該要看iPad願不願意加上散熱器...手機跟steam deck大小差滿多的,手機就是手機,他不是遊戲機,Steam deck比較接近9吋的平板,還有主動散熱,然後瓦數拉很高,你都應該要思考,這樣你就知道iPhone目前做到這樣算是滿厲害的
@adasouo6083
@adasouo6083 7 ай бұрын
@@user-qf4lk4hz4n 我買最頂規的手機,結果CPU或GPU高使用率溫度高的情況降頻,這跟買RTX4090後撞到溫度牆結果只能跑3/4的性能一樣,讓人很不爽。手機的強度不能只看理論性能,實際性能更重要,處理器越來越強,散熱卻無法更好,真實性能發揮不出來,沒有太大用處,變動最大的只有價錢。 我本身算是重度遊戲主機、電腦和掌機的玩家,電腦也是自己組裝的,對於這樣的手機市場真的非常失望。
@changcui1937
@changcui1937 7 ай бұрын
测试 neural engine 感觉可以用开源的 llama2 试下?现在大模型比较喜欢用 int8,我记得类似于 mlc llm 这种项目也可以跑在苹果手机上吧
@LaphinJoepan
@LaphinJoepan 7 ай бұрын
來拉等很久了
@iLOVEDC5R
@iLOVEDC5R 7 ай бұрын
果然,功耗影響了該有的性能提升 不然一個完整製程節點的大提升不該只有10%至少提升個15%才合理
@bogodoyandex9654
@bogodoyandex9654 7 ай бұрын
事实上并没有10%,同功耗下可能只有5%。a17pro的3.78ghz是用更高功耗换来的。从4.6w增加到5.1瓦。
@user-cz7jk1gy1p
@user-cz7jk1gy1p 7 ай бұрын
時脈近似,4nm 轉 3nm 應省電 25% !!……
@krrssur475
@krrssur475 7 ай бұрын
极客湾太牛了,这测评放在全球都是翘楚的存在。
@zizjzjjsjsj
@zizjzjjsjsj 7 ай бұрын
的确硬核 marques很水啊😂
@charlesmc2817
@charlesmc2817 7 ай бұрын
遥遥领先
@hoult8092
@hoult8092 7 ай бұрын
就毫无意义。。。
@xhy12
@xhy12 7 ай бұрын
@@zizjzjjsjsj 观看群体不同啊
@user-pj4bo6ul5p
@user-pj4bo6ul5p 7 ай бұрын
@@zizjzjjsjsj他那个评测主要是使用体验
@jeddmamaat9870
@jeddmamaat9870 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the English subtitles idol.
@hopperblue934
@hopperblue934 7 ай бұрын
不错不错很专业
@Slybabyfox
@Slybabyfox 7 ай бұрын
A17的3nm制程唯一有效重大升级就是挤出空间给8G内存
@GUGUGU_GUGUGU
@GUGUGU_GUGUGU 7 ай бұрын
真的牛,独一档的测评,看来手机游戏博主不用换手机了,iPhone15ProMax依然不可能在不加散热器的情况下充着电玩极致画质120帧率的王者
@user-pj4bo6ul5p
@user-pj4bo6ul5p 7 ай бұрын
我苹果充电看视频都热
@eghuangshare
@eghuangshare 7 ай бұрын
应了那句话跑分没输过,体验没赢过,参考隔壁友商7纳米,都起飞了,王者,英雄联盟,吃鸡都不在话下,温度还不高,帧率也稳定,就一个原神还没优化,真是笑死了
@BeachClub_1
@BeachClub_1 7 ай бұрын
At which clock does the P and E-Cores work in battery savings mode? Thank you. Great review
@user-uk2mx8nb5m
@user-uk2mx8nb5m 7 ай бұрын
等到了😂
@johnnyhuang6907
@johnnyhuang6907 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@VirgoTw_1990
@VirgoTw_1990 7 ай бұрын
我記得A17 pro是TSMC N3B 算是跟蘋果妥協下的初代3nm技術 可能是產能跟不上或是在好點的良率拉不起來之類 所以能耗比不漂亮其實不意外
@hyy3657
@hyy3657 7 ай бұрын
劉德音劉總其實上個月就預告製程已經開始卡住了,看來這天真的來了,以後處理器應該要間隔兩三年才有大的變化
@user-vt1gx8cp5e
@user-vt1gx8cp5e 7 ай бұрын
@@hyy3657 手機處理器散熱受限確實如此,不過是PC還可以期待3D堆疊帶來的電晶體數量提升而不在僅限於縮小大小,只是呢良率也是個問題,不然帶X3D的都貴不少
@bogodoyandex9654
@bogodoyandex9654 7 ай бұрын
@@hyy3657 之前我一直再讲台积电的制程节点越来越水货。台粉暴怒反驳我 。然而事实就是如此
@user-4EN3CiWcE1
@user-4EN3CiWcE1 7 ай бұрын
烂就算了,连所谓的灵动岛还学咱们的华为mate 60 pro ,苹果真的不要脸,性能也不如咱们
@jackd232
@jackd232 7 ай бұрын
是苹果自己省成本不肯升级散热@@user-vt1gx8cp5e
@eim21048
@eim21048 7 ай бұрын
最強測試
@nimmy404
@nimmy404 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate the english subs, Thanks!!
@spacemaple7275
@spacemaple7275 7 ай бұрын
這是第一個3nm產品 真得要有提升還是要等N3E製程,現在的N3B算是妥協下的產物 目前已經越來越難提升了,但是我覺得用上N3B還是有好處,這次算是拿功耗換性能沒錯 但目前看起來都沒有像之前隔壁棚翻車那樣 但是提升不明顯 這也表明了未來可能 處理器要有大進步週期又要拉長了(不只是蘋果 各家可能都會受限於製程),製程上已經越來越極限了 這一次看來應該還是finfet 下次才是GAA嗎?
@lwf5842
@lwf5842 7 ай бұрын
s888 和 s8gen 1 壓得住散熱其實也沒太大問題,但散熱不行就完蛋。An 機起碼散熱上可以下下功夫,蘋果那種萬年不變垃圾散熱哪次不是發熱閃退?
@YongChiLam
@YongChiLam 7 ай бұрын
N2 是 GAAFET 但是要等2H2025 才量产
@user-me9om7ov8m
@user-me9om7ov8m 7 ай бұрын
最近發現iPhone 15 的散熱片面積還比上代14小,而且很多應該要散熱的地方沒用到散熱片,難怪溫度壓不住,A17高耗也因此上升,拖垮台積電製程的名聲,蘋果為了賺錢賺到盡真是噁心。
@user-ex4gz4pu2x
@user-ex4gz4pu2x 7 ай бұрын
GPU的提升是單純3nm的製程紅利…
@user-og6rm7bu1q
@user-og6rm7bu1q 7 ай бұрын
看起來不錯,等9/22開放我就買
@EXPshard
@EXPshard 7 ай бұрын
這表現叫做不錯嗎
@Ghjjkkkgf77777
@Ghjjkkkgf77777 7 ай бұрын
好快好強
@user-me9om7ov8m
@user-me9om7ov8m 7 ай бұрын
這次A17在3奈米製程的能號表現是不太佳,應該等下個製程N3E會節能不少,但跑分也許會降低一些。 3奈米的表現不如大家的期待也許是正常的,很多人不知道過去台積電的先進製程仍屬「鰭式場效電晶體(FinFET)」架構的製品。然而,當製程要微縮至3奈米時,FinFET卻會產生電流控制漏電的物理極限問題,也就是說FinFET架構極限在3奈米,這也是下個世代要換「閘極全環」GAA架構的原因。 從這次A17表現可以看出物理極限漏電的問題,使得功耗拉高,同時也讓台積電在良率的調校上多了不少時間,不過相信台積電會找出更佳的調校方法讓3奈米更省電。下個世代GAA架構才是半導體進步的關鍵,還有背面供電等技術,這些都需要一個個的去克服了。 PS:最近發現iPhone 15 的散熱片面積還比上代14小,而且很多應該要散熱的地方沒用到散熱片,難怪溫度壓不住,A17高耗也因此上升,拖垮台積電製程的名聲,蘋果為了賺錢賺到盡真是噁心。
@TheLegend-yl6eu
@TheLegend-yl6eu 7 ай бұрын
我每个字都看懂了可是放在一起看不懂,但感觉你说的很有道理😂
@onehourmusicbc
@onehourmusicbc 7 ай бұрын
@@TheLegend-yl6eu 簡單來說就是GAA比較難做出來 (i.e. 三星以前的良率),但卻是未來必須走的方向
@Mai-ri8re
@Mai-ri8re 7 ай бұрын
​@@TheLegend-yl6eu簡單說就是任何產品的第一代都不要買。
@skykhan37
@skykhan37 7 ай бұрын
明年的功耗库版会节能 但是性能会变差
@user-me9om7ov8m
@user-me9om7ov8m 7 ай бұрын
@@skykhan37 對於蘋果cpu性能是有點過剩,省電反而是許多人的需求。
@eedwardlinn
@eedwardlinn 7 ай бұрын
感覺是為了之後M系列提升高功耗的上限。續航則用優化小核來補。 可以預見之後Mac的性能應該會有一定的提升,但是明年的Apple watch X 依然還是一天一充。 我覺得兩個個核心(一大一小)要對應所有的產品有點勉強。蘋果應該要考慮設計大 中 小 三種核心了。
@user-me9om7ov8m
@user-me9om7ov8m 7 ай бұрын
最近發現iPhone 15 的散熱片面積還比上代14小,而且很多應該要散熱的地方沒用到散熱片,難怪溫度壓不住,A17高耗也因此上升,拖垮台積電製程的名聲,蘋果為了賺錢賺到盡真是噁心。
@user-dx2qp8gd8z
@user-dx2qp8gd8z 7 ай бұрын
今年非常期待imac
@KimGuanGoh_kiMz
@KimGuanGoh_kiMz 7 ай бұрын
very informative.. thanks.. guess should wait 2 gens later for upgrade from ip14pm
@WaitingKao
@WaitingKao 7 ай бұрын
如果之後出台iPad mini7,跟之前6代一樣比照,全金屬殼、單層板、大電池,加上用這次A17晶片,感覺應該會是不錯的遊戲機
@benchouchc7
@benchouchc7 7 ай бұрын
明年的安卓小平版應該都是至少2k120搭配8g2 相較之下mini就不香了
@zx-mi2rm
@zx-mi2rm 7 ай бұрын
然后屏幕60hz,谈什么游戏机
@chenzzz5413
@chenzzz5413 7 ай бұрын
​@@zx-mi2rm 你講到重點了,真希望蘋果別在用過時的螢幕搞消費者
@benchouchc7
@benchouchc7 7 ай бұрын
@@chenzzz5413 只要庫克還在120永遠只能是pro motion
@xt2739
@xt2739 7 ай бұрын
@@chenzzz5413 刷新率是它区分pro产品定位的工具之一, 除非出一个ipad mini pro, 否则大概率还是60hz
@homurak8
@homurak8 7 ай бұрын
how do you enable the Metal Performance HUD on Genshin and Star Rail? I managed to get the developer menu to show up and the HUD works on some apps like Sky's beta, but I was not able to get it to show up on Genshin and Star Rail.
@freeocha
@freeocha 7 ай бұрын
It seems they managed to gat the special edition of Genshin which shows in the iPhone 15 hands on video. In that hands on video, you can see all Genshin characters are purchased. It should be a test version for devolopers to test the new feature in A17 pro
@homurak8
@homurak8 7 ай бұрын
@@freeocha how about honkai star rail?
@user-iq4xz4pd2p
@user-iq4xz4pd2p 7 ай бұрын
希望多点竞争
@seaxuWorld
@seaxuWorld 7 ай бұрын
沙发,刚准备看,点击进去发现1分钟前发布
@ridmanforgen1369
@ridmanforgen1369 7 ай бұрын
先赞后看😂
@gillest9432
@gillest9432 7 ай бұрын
Very very informative...except I'm not agree with one thing : comparing iOS with Android flagships. Geekbench tests Android flagships with ArmV8 instructions. But Dimensity 9000, 9200, Snapdragon 8 Gen 1&2 are ArmV9 CPU. Considering the tests (mostly AI and pictures procession), ArmV9 instructions set should highly improve Android's results.
@user-dh6ym5zi7b
@user-dh6ym5zi7b 7 ай бұрын
I am a compiler programmer. IMMO, armv8a and armv9a share mostly the same instructions set, especially the most frequent use part.
@gillest9432
@gillest9432 7 ай бұрын
@@user-dh6ym5zi7b V9 adds and improves Vectors and Matrix calculations...the goal is to assist AI and DSP....what are the scenari tested in Geekbench? Mostly, encryption, image procession and AI procession. Exactly what V9 was made for! SVE2 for exemple, isn't used by Geekbench6...
@1029Azusa
@1029Azusa 7 ай бұрын
A17,這可能將比肩三星工藝的驍龍888和8GEN1囉 上次台積電要做翻車晶片還得更要回朔至810了
@qaz05507892
@qaz05507892 7 ай бұрын
太神啦
@snake3276120
@snake3276120 7 ай бұрын
希望M3能用N3E然后再提高一点频率
@CapBuggy-zj5ml
@CapBuggy-zj5ml 7 ай бұрын
一個字, 專業。
@user-fj5zd6fq1r
@user-fj5zd6fq1r 7 ай бұрын
不是两个字吗
@user-yu5wt8rf7y
@user-yu5wt8rf7y 7 ай бұрын
A17芯片是升級不夠多.感覺是再擠牙膏.但用USB3.2的10G/S傳輸可直連外接的SSD.做拍攝4K60偵影片的儲存.USB3.2也支援超多外接設備(超不像蘋果的).影視颶風給了5星好評!!!
@user-xz9kd1cz9j
@user-xz9kd1cz9j 7 ай бұрын
拍4K60.手機硬碟是不是也不能小啊😂😂😂😂
@user-yu5wt8rf7y
@user-yu5wt8rf7y 7 ай бұрын
@@user-xz9kd1cz9j就買一般市售的硬碟就可以了.SSD或機械硬盤都支援.但連接線最少要買USB3.0的不然太慢
@ipcjs
@ipcjs 7 ай бұрын
确实一点都不苹果,因为是欧盟要求的😂
@winyhan6027
@winyhan6027 7 ай бұрын
外接硬盘是最亮眼的操作
@jackd232
@jackd232 7 ай бұрын
是不错但是好像还得再花钱买一条高速线,自带的是低速线。。恶心人
@JerryHAHA_4311
@JerryHAHA_4311 7 ай бұрын
發佈會的驚喜、只有不漲價
@fastcx
@fastcx 7 ай бұрын
刚看完b站,再来这里帮衬下
@gangchen1083
@gangchen1083 7 ай бұрын
很客观。比很多博主只会吹摄像头牛。
@user-jt1wz8tv7u
@user-jt1wz8tv7u 7 ай бұрын
想到了当年奔腾4和奔腾D时代的英特尔。不知道苹果以后能不能拿的出“酷睿”
@benchouchc7
@benchouchc7 7 ай бұрын
人都被挖光光了 有點難
@castraltseng5081
@castraltseng5081 7 ай бұрын
期待這處理器做在平板或筆電內
@qq_qq_qq
@qq_qq_qq 7 ай бұрын
已经有m1 m2了, 笔记本电脑是不可能的了, ipad mini 还有可能
@benbenchannel5892
@benbenchannel5892 7 ай бұрын
专业🎉
@xialv
@xialv 7 ай бұрын
这样看来,续航15pro < 14pro < 13pro…… 好怀念当年刚拿到13pro max怎么用都不掉电的惊喜。。。换14pro max之后感觉日常使用耗电明显高于13pro max,本以为15能借着3nm重回13的续航。。没想到啊没想到……
@ccahou
@ccahou 7 ай бұрын
我现在用的就是13pm,买的小杯15p还有两天到货,我有续航焦虑🥹,但是喜欢15p的相机,15pm又太贵了还大。
@abbyry
@abbyry 7 ай бұрын
我用的13mini,续航太凄惨了,本来想说换15pro是不是可以终结续航焦虑,结果看了这个测评决定不换了,有些后悔当年没买13pm了
@user-pn1fj4du6t
@user-pn1fj4du6t 7 ай бұрын
@@abbyry買15plus😂
@abbyry
@abbyry 7 ай бұрын
@@user-pn1fj4du6t 你以为我为啥把XS max换成了11pro,然后又换了13mini?
@xialv
@xialv 7 ай бұрын
@@ccahou 我13pm换14pm是最郁闷的一代,灵动岛碍眼,续航起码降了20%(13pm稳两天一充,换14pm后同样使用频率变1天1充or2充)……好不容易等到15了,结果续航竟然比14还拉。。。只能看到货之后的使用体验了。
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