Abhijit Iyer-Mitra on how Indian 155mm howitzers were ignored and Elbit Systems arebeing purchased

[@mainakbarman4304]

*"incompetence is the mask of corruption"* - Abhijit Iyer

[@007chanakya8]

when v have 65% KOTA raj, the outcome will b like this only.. Can't help it..

[@vivekpmc1992]

Reverse is more true, if we can get everything easily why we should put efforts??? Corruption kills competence..

[@malikgordon9212]

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[@bocasey5516]

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[@malikgordon9212]

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[@sriramprasannaarikapalli472]

Abhijit ji is more competent opposition to modi govt than all elected ministers in congress combined

[@jcd776]

If someone is in opposition, they cannot be a minister

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

What a fuddu opposition we have. If they won't gherofy modi properly on proper issues, he is just gonna cruise to another victory and not gonna go anything for us Hindus or anybody really...

[@sashinair1545]

yes, this government is incompetent because we have an incompetent opposition led by congress.

[@ArunKumar-xh8vp]

True instead of Targeting BJP for Minority Appeasement they would have Targeted BJP for relevant topics then Congress wouldn't have been a Irrelevant party.

[@aniruddhamulay2932]

LOL😂😂😂😂

[@alniya934]

Really miss Manohar Parrikar ji as the defence minister

[@123KCKS]

Rajnath is very incompetent.

[@nyetmatchbox9852]

Yes, Ma'am. He was the best that turned around almost everything from Self-Protection Accessories of Soldiers to top level Fighters. How he managed such progress and signed and processed such amount of equipment in just two and half to three years is excellence.

[@vivekpmc1992]

I miss CHANAKYA, but that’s law of nature and we have to proceed with inspiration /lessons from our ancestors.

[@richiknair9036]

@@vivekpmc1992 chanakya is the ultimate capitalist. He's probably the most capitalist person ever

[@ashishpatel350]

Indians need to invest heavily into r and D and stop buying outside equipment

[@hah5196]

Vai Govt's policy hamesa subsidiary hota hay..pisa khaha hay?

[@CHAITHANYAkitta]

no shit sherlock

[@vivekpmc1992]

@@hah5196 without subsidies we can’t survive,everything will finish ,they will kill us with price war ( just for few years) .

[@hah5196]

@@vivekpmc1992 yea...mind set of our country we want to be rich but don't want to work hard better If not have to work at all.

[@vivekpmc1992]

@@hah5196 because hard work is not the pridominant criteria.hard working ppl are considered fools who have to work under shoes of influencials.

[@sridharmurthy1076]

Yes. It is a shameless, blatant display of incompetence.

[@penguin_88]

Its corruption.

[@bibinthomas5282]

@@penguin_88 it is overprice....israeli Agtas are cheaper than DRDOs and kalyani ones

[@penguin_88]

@@bibinthomas5282 put the price prospective here and lets compare apple to apple.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

not incompetence.

[@gaswhole]

and nothing being done about it?

[@MrSirAussie]

ATMANIRBHAR BHARAT is only option going ahead.......NEW TIMES NEED NEW LAWS & INITIATIVES FOR A NEW PRO ACTIVE RESULT ORIENDED MISSON, VISION AND SURGICAL ACTION. As always Shri Abhijit Ji is loaded with out of the box with spanner thought provoking ideas. Thanks Shri Sree Sir. Jai Hind. Vande Mataram. Har Har Mahadev

[@indianmilitary]

Army loves foreign mall. Quality of indigenous weapons is an issue. We have to agree. Engineering is not an issue but quality control in manufacturing is a problem

[@kgopinathan2148]

Time we should boost our own, indigenous guns.

[@adityaujjawal7461]

We have homemade artillery guns which has proved its efficacy Kalyani ,Tata ,drdo they all had made several guns but they do not induct it .then how can you think one will invest in some product and will get nothing out of it.thing is the system do not allow people to develope cutting edge technology in india . Yes those system which any other country will not give that surely will be developed and inducted

[@excitableboy7031]

What, like the INSAS? Which liked to spray hot oil in your eyes as it fired, could sometimes empty a mag despite not being capable of full auto fire and sometimes plain stopped working? I do not envy the kargil vets who had to use those things.

[@vivekpmc1992]

You have to buy products from US military complexes to survive in world diplomacy. Or have to be more powerful than US ( not possible, even US government is not stronger than these complexes , remember JFK was killed without justice delivery for planning to stop Vietnam war and developing friendly relations with Cuba). When Trump was shouting too much about US trade deficit with india, India had to assure reduce it by buying military equipments and all helicopters/howitzers etc was bought. BUT no country can be strong with OTHER’s equipments, a crow can’t arm itself to become a HAWK .

[@balachandarkrishnamurthy8965]

@@vivekpmc1992 so vats d solution.

[@balachandarkrishnamurthy8965]

@@adityaujjawal7461 cutting edge technologies not allowed to be developed in india? how can u explain?

[@anilnavani3619]

Excellent by Mitra- he is an ace. India’s defense procurement continues to be a self defeating exercise.

[@nrusimha11]

The outburst of productivity from DRDO in the past few months suggests that their true capabilities were kept suppressed over the decades, someone spending active energy to do so.

[@madhan_22]

Like Russia Israel is also having a powerful lobby .

[@pratikkumbhar1608]

It's not lobby it's foreign policy.

[@SushmitWali]

@@pratikkumbhar1608 It's lobby too. Infact you don't even know how powerful these lobbies & it's system are

[@narasimhanv3117]

This is where a good opposition needs to be there to play crucial role of challenging the decisions of govt.

[@kannanramamurthy7620]

One thing I agree with. That is" Modiji loves his Babus. " This is heaven for clerks and supervisors but no management.,.. But no transparency in the purchase decision gives room for Mr. Abhijit Iyer's remarks

[@rallapalliprabhu1998]

The guns were indented at different timelines,while indigenous guns were “work in progress”.However,AbhijitJi is absolutely correct.,deep commitment on the part of the system is not adequate to give required push to indigenous weapons.

[@arun7arun]

The one thing we must learn from China is that, even though their weapons were mediocre at first, they inducted it and then improved it. If we do not do the same, there will be no atmanirbharatha.

[@udaybetgar4919]

Having a foreign gun that too with so much advanced technology available within the country to devise a sophisticated gun, it is obvious somebody has hijacked the issue.

[@bikashlodh]

But Sir all guns are for different use?? M777 is different from Bofors vs K9 vajra vs Athos

[@udaybetgar4919]

@@bikashlodh If reverse engineering is possible in India, then no gun is impossible to be devised. There May be some short comings which can be overcome over pd of time. Full utilization of iits is a must and need to be continuous process. Brains in isro are no different.

[@bikashlodh]

@@udaybetgar4919 what is you point Sir. Reverse engineering not possible in India officially. All guns are of different use and used in different war field.definately Indian products must be preferred. But we understand one thing, Dhanush is already inducted, it's an updated Bofors only. Barell burst due to shells produced by OFB is not a new event. When ATAGS gun and OFB shell both the new whom to blame for accidents... Why not produce better ammunition by OFB .. so many times such cases arises in past.. also so much footage when OFB called for privatization

[@adityaujjawal7461]

@@bikashlodh correctly pointed out .

[@udaybetgar4919]

@@bikashlodh Agreed on the ammunition front. Privatization of ammunition production is must. Issue is about devising a light weight long range tactical nuclear war H firing capable gun. Light weight gun is possible provided our metallurgy innovations and recoil arresting technology bounce back.

[@iqbalsingh3981]

My humble request to you, Plse start accepting contribution in Indian Rs.. also..

[@chinudestryer2113]

Atags is the best 155mm artillery gun in the world having the range of 48 k.m

[@TheAshutosh58]

@Ayaan Aryan to kya drdo jhoot bol ra hai? Range naapne vale chutiye hain?

[@adityaujjawal7461]

Yes bro atag is best .you know first Iphone was not best, improvements is done when you use it notice it and then fix it this is how every country develope its defense good you can not expect a system like iPhone 10 suddenly .excellence is continuous process .

[@adityaujjawal7461]

@Ayaan Aryan tumko kaise pata ki ye news galat hai ,bhai tum ka roj operate karate ho usko testing procedure mei jo result aata hai wo publish Kiya Jata hai waha se Pata chala atag ka range 48 km hai .

[@pratikkumar4471]

@@TheAshutosh58 apart from ATAGS, an Israeli expert said (during defence expo 2020, Lucknow) that Bharat Forge’s Howitzer is also the best in the world in its class. It’s light weight, mobile and agile, great for high altitude warfare. But we still went for M777 howitzer.

[@adityaujjawal7461]

@@kage9701 yes 👍

[@manojkumar-jw5jc]

without competition we cannot build industry , indian industry has to offer the best to our forces we cannot do MK 1/2/3 for all products

[@soumaghosh8796]

but we also need to boost our own company , that happens gradually not all of a sudden.

[@Dr_EviiL]

French, Israeli, American, Korean, Russian, British, Swedish (just to name a few) plus inefficient OFB ammo. Guns, artillery, aircraft, missiles, radar, etc all mixed. Like a biryani masala.. logistically alone....how to maintain this? God help us if there is a war...☹️

[@surenraj09]

itsbabuscontroling the country not the political people. Political people are there to great cunfusion and defit the cause of india

[@uvg319]

Not just Babus...corrupt politicians too!😉

[@surenraj09]

PM should force for indiginous stuff only then things will improve

[@hnnagendra1319]

It's only a superficial talks, lots and lots of variants are to be addressed for such discussion. Otherwise it is just a opinion of the individual.

[@pratikkumbhar1608]

Yes

[@gopsmorgan1706]

Someone shall fwd to PM, instead PMO, MoD. What's going on.

[@radiantthunder130]

Most ridiculous decision ever...kalyani, tata didnt get chance...same thing happened in assault rifles SSS defense and other companies didnt get chance

[@adversaryslayer3091]

When Ak 203 and caracal carbine were selected for procurement, SSS Defence didn't even existed in the competition. Check facts please

[@shashwat8463]

Don't believe everything you hear from a couple source on KZbin/Internet. This guy makes up half of the stuff out of thin air. Gets away with it because general public don't know much of the topics he speaks on. A fair discussion will only be if there is someone from military space to separate facts from fiction.

[@riddhimanagarwal2505]

Good conversation!!👍👍 Sree Iyer ji, sorry to note but, your channel is increasingly becoming just the Sri (Sridhar Chityala) and Sree (Iyer) channel. PGurus used to be my favourite channel because of your dynamism till some time back, but now it is increasingly becoming US-centric or sans-India centric. Please call invigorating guests like Dr. Nagaswamy, D.K. and Hema Hari ji, Madhu Kishwar ji, Rajiv Malhotra ji, Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, T V Mohandas Pai ji, Sanjay Dixit ji, Dr. Swamy, J. Sai Deepak, Dr. Meenakshi Jain, Sanjeev Sanyal, Sankrant Sanu, T.R. Ramesh, M.R. Venkatesh, Dr. David Frawley, Maria Wirth ji, Prof. RV and Abhijit Iyer Mitra more often!!! And that too regularly in your Primetime session with adequate opportunity for viewers to ask questions!! Hope to see this happen soon! 😃😃 Thank You

[@devilsadvocate4864]

Excellent Recommendations!!

[@rrv6836]

Govt. always has the excuse of Chinese aggression.

[@Usb-ls5rq]

When Indian options r already available there's no need to go for foreign one.

[@anandkumarrohal5761]

Currpution

[@sanjayvaidya4925]

Lol.ok

[@harshalsingh2750]

One of the main reason is that atags is high costing almost 20crore per gun but the Israel albeit is cheaper around 11 crore per gun and they have said that they will produce in India and make 70% parts in India and assemble everything after setting up a factory and more over they have said that they will manufacture 600 more guns and export from India !!!!

[@vinayakzanjad7894]

Kalyani Bharat 52 is cheaper and lighter

[@adhipmitra]

Corruption will never go from India, irrespective of who is in power.

[@johnmachino7160]

it's sad to see how easily any one question the leadership .. without even knowing the basic .. M777 - is a light weight - so that it can be airlifted and deployed fast in case of conflicts. so it's made of light metal/alloy so it's costly. K9 Vajra is self movable like a tank , helpfully in desert area. also crew is also safe. it can be moved along with tank battalion. Made with hardcore steel but as it's a similar to tank so it's more costly. now ATAGS/ATHOS are towed artillery guns. 155 cab- most common used and serve 80% of he total conunt. Made with hardcore steel but cheaper than both M777 and K9 Vajra. last dhanush - based on Bofos and developed by OFB. serve the purpose but with less range and old technology. so tell me how these are same and how you think that one can serve the purpose of all 4 needs . but yes Govt may have rejected Dhanush - but it was developed by OFB (indian guys) , govt should encourage them also it's a good gun so can be bought in small no. and ATHOS is a war proven gun - more technologically advanced with ATHOS (GPS enabled) also it's cheaper the ATAGS. All these K9 Vajra/ATAGS/ATHOS/Dhanush are/will be made in india ..

[@nyetmatchbox9852]

War proven? Isn't that what trials are for? The fact that ATAGS has been in testing for last 3 years isn't enough? How can you ignore the fact that for the first time DRDO has collaborated with Private partners and delivered an excellent product? Towed ATAGS has lot more practical features than Towed ATHOS. Guided Shells is the only thing lacking by ATAGS, which could be incorporated later by buying technology or payment of royalty to the OEM, like how MRSAM is being produced by partnering with Israel.

[@independentnationalist1740]

Problem is that we need to develop indigenously but simultaneously we can not accept inferior product just become it is Indian because it costs life . Honestly most of the people do not understand Arty and we should not expect them to understand , hence your effort is appreciated . Once this technology comes into the domain of private sector , it will be developed . OFB served a purpose but now completely lost .....unions are not allowing any change there ...will take time. You listen to Unions, produce inferior quality ammunition and guns---suffer casualties of soldiers ? Entire system requires streamlining .

[@ghumantu6601]

There were news about accident caused due to OFB munitions, has no relation with indigenous guns. so most of it is excuse. The only established fact is that army caught red-handed sabotaging indigenous weapon systems.

[@sachair2701]

although i agree with his general point...his specifics are completely haywire. OFB has reverse engineered the bofors gun, called dhanush. DRDO has designed a completely new gun called ATAGs which are manufactured by TATA n Kalyani groups. DRDO is not a manufacturer.

[@snNair-gh1sr]

It seems to be an open and shut case of corruption. ATAGs and Dhanush are said to be world class howitzers and the Kalyani group, Tatas have proved they can mass produce world class guns, designed by DRDO. Yet, the vested interests in the defence ministry and user forces decide in favour of foreign made guns! Aatmanirbhar bhatarat is pining for the motherland while the vested groups and import lobby are smiling all the way to their banks!

[@sannickdey6160]

After firing 2000 rounds, Army still wants to play trial games with ATAGS in 2021 also.😣😣

[@rahulgamer6146]

Guess what. OFB may supply em faulty ammunition intentionally or unintentionally. India is blessed to have company like OFB 🙂.

[@vinayakzanjad7894]

Where as bharat forge done trail and ready to sell

[@prasadm9192]

Israeli firm Elbit Systems offers to build 70% of artillery guns in India . That is significantly higher indigenisation than the 50 per cent required for "Make in India" projects

[@abhrabhai]

But the M777 as well as K9 is being manufactured in India by Mahindra and L&T under Buy and make. This led to a lot of technology transfer. The Kalyani and Tata are in final stages of testing.

[@avkk2314]

Then why even consider ATHOS.

[@the_fabulous_p14]

Mind you we had taken technology transfer (blueprints) for Bofors gun also (but we didn't make any in India bcoz of the scam). The Dhanush 45 caliber guns are made from those same blueprints that were lying in Defence minister's office for almost 3 decades. And army ordered only 114 guns of Dhanush (which is a very small order for artillery guns and there is no guarantee of more orders coz army loves foreign maal. That too OFB can't deliver it on time, so transfering manufacturing to kalyani would be best). there is corruption in Army and it needs to be solved.

[@balajisingh2992]

Thank you Aiyer bhai and Abhi for this timely eye-opener

[@atyuinnegi]

Sometimes I don't understand... sometimes they give you info that India has made this gun....and suddenly you hear that we are purchasing same thing from other countries.... Don't know whether issue is quality or they are purchasing just to build relationships or corruption..... But this affects the capabilities of our forces.....

[@adityaujjawal7461]

It is too simple they do it to make their master happy and to get biscuits in return It is disrespectful but it is the cruel truth order nahi mila mila toh sirf improvements improvements improvements.....................

[@Blind_Bandit]

Modi's biggest problem is he doesn't listen and he's in love with the Babus.

[@divineray7822]

He knows everything yet he's doing it.

[@Xor200]

He listens too much to babus.

[@asl3151]

He doesn't love babus... He has made this clear on many occasions

[@yoursommelier]

next do you start blaming taste of a vadapav because of Modiji

[@ninadkshirsagar3989]

@@asl3151 Oh please modi runs government on Babu's only.

[@andyt7159]

I don’t know how Abhijeet stays in India , the whole world is open to him to emigrate . India is a corrupt and hopeless case, corruption is endemic .

[@BooO0oOoOoOooOoOoyah]

I don't think any person who is a nationalist, who utterly loves his nation would give up and transfer to another country!

[@casperghost0secondsago594]

Thats how a nation gets worse and worse. This has been happening since independence , weak minded and least ethical people leave India instead of fighting for developing it. Those who have stayed are the ones that have kept it from dieing

[@saiecorp5646]

Excellent deliberations. This issue is not only with guns but with Rifles and hundreds of desi products. Problem is that we allow beuracracy to buy, pay and reject any product they deemed to be fit.

[@kaustubhumak8504]

We need to make sure government understand that people are aware now and such deals are not effected by defense middle men.

[@KshitijKV]

Such technical accuracy! Amazing!

[@Pp-xz7fg]

How do you know ...he is accurate ?

[@shashwat8463]

Lol.. this guy is mediocre at best and makes up things out of thin air. He gets away with it because the topics he speaks on are unknown to general public.

[@KshitijKV]

@@shashwat8463 No.

[@shashwat8463]

@@KshitijKV Listen to other experts from military/aviation, preferably who have served in army/airforce and aren't just journalists pretending to be experts. You'll understand what I'm saying.

[@KshitijKV]

@@shashwat8463 K

[@NativeVsColonial]

Imagine if Abhijit like people get the chance to become Indian's PM 😍🔥🤗

[@badshahyoyo624]

Masha Allah...Pgurus is my fav english channel for global and indian issues....Keep going Sree Iyer...And Abhijit(Be peace upon him) is marvelous

[@rudys3649]

You are absolutely right. No one is managing macros and wants to apply common sense

[@satyanarayanaboda7621]

India needs to have a P.M. like Mihirakula, the Kashmir king for a decade to instill chill down the spine of anti-nationals and enemy countries.

[@apathak34]

Yogi Ji looks like the best option

[@apathak34]

@Niranjan Reddy Yes, Yogi needs to develop U.P first.

[@akashaggarwal3041]

abhijit is a whole mood

[@vigneshb5347]

I believe the M777 are Titanium based and are said to be very light, they can be deployed via Cargo Heli. We needed this to counter the Chinese. See no wrong in that, also they have advance fire control system. ..as to why Domestic howitzers are discouraged and not selected, is very strange.

[@TheVikastiwari123]

Sir..the need arise of the fact that K9 is heavy yet mobile..best for western borders but could not be deployed in laddakh due to its weight...M777 is extremely light easy transportable and to fill the gaps either we go for ETHOS still in developmental phase or ELBIT...it is more of a emergency...love u Abhijit sir

[@abhib6751]

Angry Abhijit is a good Abhijit.

[@ven657]

I admire the clarity of aim. I hope the pmo offers him a retainer to throw spanner in the defence procurement committee.

[@riteshmallik9443]

Abhijit 🙏👍👍🙏👍🙏👍🙏👍🙏

[@VS-od8ti]

There is one factor you may be overlooking i.e. delivery schedule. If China is at your door in Ladakh and a possibility of large scale conflict in next 6 months what if DRDO, Kalyani and Tata are not ready for scaling the manufacturing to meet needs by say April 2021?

[@yoursommelier]

corruption is endemmic in all places this has to be eradicated.. there is some steps in the right direction but we need more

[@Honey25Honey]

Our systems are not inferior then these foreign products and even if they lag somewhere that can be fixed . I found Abhijeet statement absolutely correct. Don't know what's wrong with our decision making systems why they act like mentally retard. On one hand we want to make Atamnirbhar Bharat and on other hand We constantly keep discouraging our local manufacturers by ignoring them and not providing them equal opportunities. In this way local manufacturing ecosystem will never develop and our money will be keep flushing out of country.

[@pavank6]

Buying imported 155 mm howitzer is part of "Atmanirbhar bharat". Gimmicks and lip service by Mr Modi ji.

[@anjalikalamdani9535]

Dr . Rajan Shankar's prescriptions of homeo medicines have been really effective

[@rajshkn]

Sree...May be, you might need to write a title like “who broke my defence “??

[@smukund5]

Shocked to hear that DRDO treats Indian manufacturers like Tata and Kalyani as rivals. That these two companies had to take their guns abroad for testing. On the whole this video is a very disturbing learn.

[@BobbeeSingh]

These recent foreign purchases simply mean that war with Pakistan and/or China is imminent in the very near future and Bharat cannot afford to wait for production ramp up and risk losses to the troops and lose the war. Domestic production of guns will take time and there are bound to be problems that will need to be rectified. Secondly, foreign weapons purchases are a way to keep the powerful govts silent and pacified when (not if) Bharat attacks Pakistan in the next few months. Not to forget that this war will be fought on 2 fronts and for that we will need foreign forces to join in the war.

[@monusohal]

Brutally honest Abhijit, as always👍🙏🙂

[@diwakersharma8618]

This is inexplicable and if true most treacherous and like killing your own child make in India..

[@Balaji.V1]

The government wants slogans not action. Incidentally that sums up their performance as well. They have taken a leaf from Indira Gandhi " Garibhi hatao or roti, kapada, makan" but actually never gave it. It was P.V.Narasimha Rao who tried to deliver a robust economy and Manmohan Singh got credit. Similarly Vajpayee delivered economy both did not get a second term. But guess who got a second term with slogans Indira and Modi.The BJP seems to have realised this and kept it as their mantra

[@rajeshgn70]

I think Abhijit missed the point here that the imports were opted for due to operational urgencies, while these guns were still being developed in India. This govt. didn’t want another A.K. Antony moment. Also these guns are now in the negative list, meaning the Army cannot import them. In due course these got ready in India and now DRDO too has come up with these. Remains to be seen which of these makes the Army will opt for. That said, many rascals and thieves that are euphemistically called “Babus” need to not only be sacked but be tried for derelict of duty and treason.

[@rajeshgn70]

*dereliction of duty

[@vampire198014]

Abhijit is correct for any purchase who is doing this Opportunity cost. Every corporate or even farmer does it why cannot GOI do so.

[@sudhiranjansinha3400]

Is it not that ToT for Bofors 155mm was already available to DRDO/India and so there was no question of “Reverse Engineering” ? Yes, the metallurgy needed to be worked out, which was done.

[@utubetruthteller]

you need three types of guns because then you can do 3 times corruptions

[@pradeepkumarsingh4123]

Abhijit Sir I love exploring more about weapons so I can answer your question. Yes we've imported 2 different guns and one almost ready to import of 1 but these guns have different roles. The M777 is of 39 caliber, South Korean is a 45 caliber and isreali elbit gun is of more then 50 calibers. Ammos of above mentioned rounds are different in size , range and power. Thus even though it's 155mm of diameter but calibers are meant to fulfill different mission role. Our ATAGS is the Best except it's Auxiliary power unit needs a bit improvement on its cruise speed. Apart it's a best howitzer of 155×52 caliber and we should definitely order in hugh number so that it can lead to future improvement and upgrades.

[@avkk2314]

You need good marketing skills Israelis are good at that.

[@nyetmatchbox9852]

Marketing, PR and Lobbying. French, Israelis, Americans and Russians are masters of it.

[@JrJ2016]

Abhijeet is brilliant and explains clearly. Arms procurment curruption or stupidity is indias continued problem

[@srsssnr]

Convey the message clearly to the government of the day. Let the government, the Army and the Babu's come out clean with clear explanation of why it did not select the Made in India products.

[@ashokprabhu5205]

Tata 155 mm Gun and Kalyani 155 Gun should be encouraged. Atmanirbhar Bharat should be fully adhered.

[@nanusingh2278]

This same thing happen with Tejas as well. This simply meaning that government wants to give foreign countries interest secure as well. So they support as well. When there companies product for defence so they are in relation and support at international platforms

[@gtanj]

7:11 correct! After this public criticism, govt. will have to buy indigenous stuff.

[@debangsunripendranathbose985]

Excellent. But Abhijit, so far 777 is concern, it's because of weight ,( all most half, & Cost more than double) approximately 5 ton.Other 155mm guns are allmost 10 ton +-) . 777 are for high altitude use & It may transported by helicopter because less weight. You are absolutely right. The military leaders thinks " Equipment produced by Quartermaster & bureaucrats thinks that cost of equipment paid by " Some one's ATM machine ".

[@lovepeace7890]

Abhijit raises valid questions. Normal people will go mad when they hear the type of decisions taken.

[@sourabhg5418]

You have look at hiring practices of DRDO and management of knowledge from previous design experiences. How employees are promoted.

[@kumar921]

I looked at all 3 of them and you got to see the difference. K9 is track mounted, Kalyani is towed and Elbit is wheel mounted. all are 155 mm with ranges varying a bit here and there but the most important of all is the mobility. Towed is the least mobile so most vulnerable, tracked mounted is next but limited mobility as tracks cannot run at same speed as wheel. Now, the biggest question here is when Indian researcher are looking at these guns - K9 is an import from Korea that serves their purpose, Kalyani is same as old model towed artillery but did any of them or DRDO ever thought of mobility as mobility is the biggest asset for any artillery as they can move around at greater speed and dodge the incoming firing or attack. This is the advantage ELBIT is going to provide, hence Army is going with this.

[@surenraj09]

Please PM should look into it Please

[@krishnanunni856]

As Abhijit told, our industry is very much capable of manufacturing these. As a proposition, even if we admit that our domestic capability is slightly inferior, so what. that is exactly how a child has learnt to get up and walk. But then, the child has a father. The indian guns do not have a father.

[@rutube007]

Whatever the reason was, at least communicate it for transparency?

[@littlestar5737]

Bribes are bigger when you deal with foreign companies.

[@BOCrorepati]

Very powerful statements and questions. But voters don't have better options when voting a government to power. Very sad state of democracy.

[@bharatsangam2200]

Very nice point .the government and defense forces and defence industries must take note .

[@mmd488]

If PGurus reads the comments under the video, let me first state that Abhijith is good at explaining Indian foreign policy and it's implications very well. However, when it comes to defence matters, please bring in an ex army or DRDO person for consultation. Let us see why Army needs different guns: 1. M777 ultralight howitzer - light guns to be air lifted and quickly deployable in heights at India - China border, Chinooks were bought for the same reason 2. K9 Vajra - Self Propelled Howitzer, it's part of standard arsenal of all modern Armies, it replaces old South African SPH made with technical support by DRDO. We couldn't come up with our own SPH in all these years which is a shame. 3. Towed Artillery such as Bofors, Dhanush, M 777 or Athos being discussed now: These are quick deployable, transported over land by trucks, fires varied ammunitions with very long range, have excellent fire control systems, are part of standard arsenal. Dhanush and recent ATAGS are decent home made guns and do perform satisfactorily. However, the army has an urgent need of modern towed artillery guns, especially keeping the China stand off in mind. Can Indian guns be made in large numbers in such short time span? How many types of shells can they fire successfully? What about spares and maintenance? Training and ease of handling, cost, and many other aspects that come into procurement of weapon systems. In fact Army is very much on board in developing home made weapons, however, they cannot rely on a newly developed weapon when the danger is imminent. Hence, they would like to procure weapons meeting immediate requirements in small numbers and supplement them with local weapons once they mature enough to be deployable. I am able to explain all these even without knowing the nitty gritty of arms procurement and Abhijith here starts with comparing 3 different weapon systems and questioning why so many different guns are even needed. He also ignores the fact that in the name of commonality and economies of scale, he advises to put all eggs in one basket, which takes away our Strategic autonomy in an event of war such as when we were running out of spares for Bofors guns during Kargil conflict due to a strike in their factory. Let's leave such matters to the respective experts and better focus on our areas of strength.

[@akashaggarwal3041]

maybe its bcoz of eliminating dependence. if we had bought all from america, we all know how reliable is america.

[@sureshiyer7301]

Thanks Sree Iyer for this discussion with Abhijeet Iyer-Mitra..... would suggest you bring Major Gaurav Arya for a follow up on this issue.

[@happybelly1204]

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra what you're saying makes sense... Why don't you raise these questions directly with the Indian army because you won't get any answer from the defence ministry.

[@AB-vd7ux]

I don't understand how he can compare the three- a titanium M777 ultra light howitzer, a Self Propelled K-9 and a towed artillery piece. These are completely different

[@anjalikalamdani9535]

This is away from the topic of your discussionSree ji. But in the ongoing covid no one pays absolutely no attention to our home grown medicines , which get brushed aside by the powerful. And yes , THEY ARE GREAT HEALERS. Could you have a discussion on the pressure by pharmas on the local medicines

[@deepakratanpal1689]

I agree about incompetent officers stated by Mr Mitra. That's why officers responsible notebandi fiasco instead of being fired was rewarded governorship of RBI.

[@mohandas1074]

Hoping fondly that it reaches team Modi...make in India ?

[@pratikpal5565]

I love this man AIM is on 🔥

[@ayanvasudev1304]

It is the army that decides what to buy and what not

[@jaygajjar21]

Thank you for raising these problems!

[@PGurus1]

Our pleasure!

[@vyaghrashri7967]

Nobody: Iyer: Me me mereko sab aata he.

[@sarojininaranasamy8241]

The ministry should have spoke person to counter this sort of view

[@srim728]

Sorry, I don't know why this fascination with Abhijit Iyer, he doesn't fully understand the issue. These are the guns that India has 1. DRDO ATAGS Tata 155 2. DRDO ATAGS KALYANI 155 3. BHARAT 52 KALYANI 4. Tata 155 gun 52 cal truck mounted 5. OFB Bofors derivative Dhanush 52 cal. and 45 cal. 45 cal Inducted by Army 6. Kalyani Bharat Forge light Howitzer - 155mm 39 cal - two variants - Steel and Titanium 7. Kalyani Bharat Forge - Truck mounted light Howitzer 155mm 39cal 8. Upgunned version of 130mm gun to 155mm Gun. 9. L&T K9 Vajra tracked Howitzer. 10. DRDO Denel Bhim on Arjun Chassis not tested fully 155mm 52 cal. Indian Army selected - K9 Vajra Tracked Ordnance Factory Board gun which is derived from Bofors is different from DRDO ATAGS guns. Indian Army turned itself into a bad joke without appropriate strategic thinking when US and Russians are working on Extended Range Canon Artillery to reach out to 100kms. Goes without saying that China will soon follow and we will be stuck with silly ATHOS without upgrades. If army opts for ATHOS then there won't be any upgrades going forward and ATAGS will be a game changer for India and will be a great platform for upgrading to 27litre chamber 54 caliber and 36litre chamber 63 caliber 155mm cannons which will outrange and out gun any adversary weapons. Improved lethality of shells and Shells with base bleed and Ramjet artillery (IIT Madras is working on it) will put terror into your enemies.

[@sunderasr]

Unfortunately Indian Ordnance factories have been unable to make safe ammunition till date..

[@bavazi]

In my opinion, reasons go beyond that. It is not the capabilities of our indigenous defence manufacturers or their products. Problem is with the delivery. HAL, DRDO, or else all lacks time commitment.