Abolish this Traffic Sign

[@vakifo1945]

In poland in the yield trafic sign the black arrow is always longer than the red one and the two way traffic sign is a warning sign so its yellow color and in shape of a triangle.

[@Chromaphobe]

Yes, I saw these. It is a good improvement. A bit subtle, but a decent addition to help stand out from "2 way traffic". I think it is indeed rarer nowadays to have the two way traffic sign in a red circle, the two I've seen near me and in malta have been in a red (upright) triangle, but this confuses me even more since I always associate red triangle (upside down, but not too different in my mind) with yielding. So in the "common" sign shapes, the one that means yield (to oncoming traffic) is in the shape less associated with yielding (circle). That may be a North American connotation though.

[@FreakyNotje]

@@Chromaphobe yes, the triangle pointing down is meant for yielding, all the others, with the point up, warn you for a certain situation, which is explained with a symbol inside the triangle, so uncomming traffic would be in that category of traffic signs.

[@pablocastrejon1071]

I’m colorblind and can distinguish black from red, except at night…

[@somnvm37]

why not just replace red arrow with blue? It will in fact be just as contrasting, but most colourblind people would see it much better (even monochromats lol). Though yea, the bad part is, such signs are international standsards, and they were made either when no one cared about the colourblind, or the problem is that many coutnries don't about colourblind even now, so changing signs in eu would make problems for working with india and china for example (again, doens't matter where other countries are, the signs should be the same) who don't even allow colourblind to ride.

[@Chromaphobe]

Hey thanks for your ideas. It's astonishing how much the colorblind DID affect traffic signals in the US, but to a much lesser degree in Europe and elsewhere. They also have the benefit of relying on a single language, which Europe can't really do. In Canada, a sign for 2way traffic literally says "TWO WAY". I also think the creation of the blue priority sign probably WAS a result of color confusion. I'm pretty sure it used to be the "give way" sign upside down. Blue would solve protan problems, but probably lead to tritan problems. Noone really cares about tritans though. There would definitely be a problem with the intuitiveness of the sign. Red has very clear connotations. Blue... Well blue means priority in many cases, so it may lead to even more confusion! The benefit of the sign at the end of the video (it's currently used but I'm not sure where!) is the yield sign is universal. The drawback is its a bit more complex, so may take longer to parse for some people, but I don't think that's so important.

[@somnvm37]

@@Chromaphobe hm, brw, why not more mixed colours? Cyan magenta and yellow are in fcat very noticible, esp yellow, it takes even more attention than red. If the sign was purplish red, just a purple shade of red, and also a little bit lighter, would that be a good solution?

[@WYLNXCA]

Why do we have to change and accommodate the minority of people, by letting the majority of people change? That is the problem with our society currently. The majority, always have to adjust, for the minorities.

[@WYLNXCA]

While it’s unfortunate that some individuals have difficulty distinguishing these colors, adjusting the entire system to accommodate a small minority might not be the best approach. It's more practical to stick with what works for the vast majority, rather than complicate things for everyone else. There are blue yellow colour blinds, why not accommodate them? There are blind people, why not change the signals to sounds. There are people who can’t hear any sound, why not we all adjust.

[@WYLNXCA]

@@somnvm37it is funny because we cant accommodate everyone in this world, we can only accommodate the majority to make sure that most people are accommodated.

[@jeanbertrandtanguy]

Not very obvious when seing it online, but as a colorblind, the difference of size makes it ok for me in France. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_European_road_signs#/media/File:France_road_sign_B15.svg I had no idea it was so similar in other countries. Thanks for pointing that out!

[@limhelium990]

in some country, colorblind are not allow to even get driving license. If you cannot distinguish red, yellow, green(colour of traffic signal), you should not allow to drive in the first place.

[@Chromaphobe]

Too bad there is not some universal redundant signal like a fixed position order of the lights that enables even fully colorblind people to correctly interpret traffic lights!

[@mememan5466]

Most countries allow colourblind people to drive. If colourblind people were a danger on the road, this would not be the case. Traffic lights are also not an issue for most colourblind people because they follow a fixed order so even if they were completely indistinguishable to and individual (which in my experience they aren't), they would still have a way of telling them apart. By supporting a ban on colourblind drivers, you also have the privilege of taking the same stance as Russia and China so that makes you sure to be a good, human rights respecting person. 😁👍 In the end, I know you aren't a hateful person but your take is incredibly ignorant. If you know nothing about colourblindness, just don't comment please

[@WYLNXCA]

@@mememan5466Many countries allow colourblind people, to drive, that doesn’t mean it is safe. 1. During heavy fog, you cannot see where the light is located on the traffic light, all u can see is a light in the fog 2. During night, when it is very dark, u cannot see the position of the light 3. During heavy rain, droplet blocks your vision, it is hard for u to see the position. 4. Some intersections only have one light bulb, good luck identifying it. Even if you can identify it, you will always have a slower reaction time to traffic lights, which creates more danger than other normal vision drivers.

[@WYLNXCA]

@@mememan5466 As for traffic signs, it seems a bit extreme to suggest that the majority should accommodate a small percentage of the population. While inclusivity is important, it’s also crucial to prioritize overall road safety. Not only China and Russia have restricted colorblind people from driving, Turkey, Romania, Singapore, and other countries have them banned too. I like how u called him ignorant, when you are a racist, targeting china and Russia, and by using your stereotype to assume things. Finally, calling someone "ignorant" because they don’t agree with your point of view doesn't make sense. Just because you feel safe as a colorblind driver doesn’t mean it’s the best or safest choice for everyone. Personal experience can introduce bias, and it's important to consider the broader perspective when discussing public safety.

[@WYLNXCA]

@@mememan5466it wouldn’t make sense when the majority of people have to accommodate a small portion of people. Inclusivity is important, but it is also important to prioritize overall safety and people.

[@herboy8]

I have never seen this two-way traffic sign in Europe. It should be a triangle, thus very easy to distinguish. It isn't in this list en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_European_road_signs Where did you spot this sign if I may ask?

[@Yorie1234]

it is in that list, it is label as "Give way to oncoming traffic"

[@jeanbertrandtanguy]

Yeah, it is

[@LegendMythicRider]

In France we have this one for two way traffic : fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panneau_de_signalisation_de_circulation_dans_les_deux_sens_en_France so you are safe ;)

[@FreakyNotje]

The two-way traffic sign doesn't exist in the Netherlands. Seems unnecessary because if there's no one-way sign, it's automatically two-way. Closest sign would be this one: nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Nederlands_verkeersbord_C5.svg

[@Chromaphobe]

The first source I found was this one: www.rhinocarhire.com/Drive-Smart-Blog/Drive-Smart-Holland/Netherlands-Road-Signs.aspx And both your sign and the two black arrows are listed. I guess the primary use of two way traffic sign would be where a one way street feeds on to a two way street. One of the signs by me in Zürich though is an underpass under some train tracks where there are two signs: a "road narrows" and a "two way traffic". It does seem a little bit redundant, but redundancy can be a good thing too, and maybe there is some historical confusion for why they had to put it there.

[@FreakyNotje]

@@ChromaphobeI don't see it in that list, only one I see is the two black arrows in on a triangular shaped sign. They even didn't list the "yield to uncomming traffic" sign.. So yes, we do appear to have a two-way-traffic sign, but it's clearly different because of its shape.