ABOUT PIRATESOFTWARE GETTING KICKED...

[@spaceowl9246]

Tyler getting the whole Classic WoW experience within three months.

[@KingLemur]

lol true

[@9ntice]

I wish Tyler experiences a degenerate PvP server on Classic

[@Zixias]

a true guild leader😂

[@NinjaSonar]

Goat speedrunner!😂

[@mishelleyamata5984]

So true! It was always this crazy, and dramatic in Grobbulus, the constant memeing on people, and guild vs guild dramas coming up... It's beautiful to see. XD Peak Classic junk

[@Altair467]

Never ever in my life would i have believed back 2016 when tyler got banned for being one of the most toxic people in one of the most toxic communities that in 2025 he becomes the voice of reason we turn to. Like holy moly what character development.

[@Sandro234]

Fatherhood diff, tbh.

[@NotAnAiGuy]

I came to say this. Becoming a Dad does crazy things.

[@gecgoodpasi1654]

Tyler the only one who despises drama meta of twitch enough to not farm it himself 😂i applaud him

[@Yue_Jin]

Honestly, most streamers are on the same level as kids mentally and he has experience with having a kid of his own now. The likelihood is his kid is more mature at this point than most of these streamers.

[@ValenAlvern]

​​​@@Sandro234 He gained wisdom from it. Rarely happens to people. While Im not a follower of him, he is more or less the same. He just feels more in control and more understanding. Heck in the few guild meets he openly says he has no clue and will seek advice.

[@AmoryNox]

T1 being the voice of reason is crazy

[@duhtuurlijk]

In so many ways I can relate to T1 and I've been following him for years; like, its great content how everything happened and how this big ego gets shit on, but in the end of the day its only a videogame, this level of hate online can emotionally damage people if it lasts for a long time, I hope it doesnt keep on going until we get to something too serious...

[@snowdeezy]

big tonka t putting out the most reasonable take out rn, wtf is 2025 💀💀

[@freddyfootstomps6557]

Tyler has always been extremely pragmatic lol he’s almost let the character go completely since becoming a dad

[@basal4425]

Not really he's been the voice of reason when it comes to many situations over the years like Reckfulls passing (RIP) or the Last of us 2

[@elshaggyy1965]

Whenever Tyler1 goes outside of his character he is a Very Real person with very mature takes. Consistently for years.

[@cheapmuffin]

Tyler1 is our irl Vegeta. The character development he has gone through is amazing.

[@Wadmd]

Underrated and very relevant comment

[@zacharypilot8256]

T1 really went dad mode, sat down chat, and told them "If you gang up on someone, they will get upset." Atta boi Tyler.

[@ayoubp7689]

They ganged up on him because he deserved it???? Like the guy never once apologised or took accountability and blamed everyone else but himself, and kept with it??? Everyone in that group sucked, him included. Yet he thought he was above them and did absolutely nothing wrong. People on the internet making the most insufferable people famous. Deserved kick

[@joshuaadkins9820]

​@ayoubp7689 no one is obligated to apologize. It's hc you take the chance when you go in and they already fd up the dungeon once ran it back fd up again and then chose to try and salvage it which was a mistake.

[@Neffenare]

Nobody would've ganged up on him if he didn't act like a child to begin with

[@RookyCarrot]

@@ayoubp7689 To be fair, its a situation that genuinely is hard for anyone to look good in if they were in Pirates position. Not saying that he shouldnt be held accountable, he made an error and messed up and that should be recognized. But the thing is, he admitted the mistake, and its a mistake that anyone could have made. This whole thing shouldnt have exploded as big as it did because all it is, is just a giant fire that everyone is using as a content farm. Im ashamed he did what he did, but im even more ashamed that literally EVERYBODY is making a big witch hunt out of this whole thing. When you have a bunch of people screaming in your face, in the game chat, in your twitch chat, in your discord servers just constantly throwing it back in your face when you already aknowledged it and it could have been handled so much more calmly, its honestly disgusting. He made a mistake anyone could have made yes, but frankly putting him on a public display and constantly shoving this not just in his face, but in everyones, is downright sad and pathetic.

[@Onticxp]

@@ayoubp7689 you're chronically online if you think anyone deserves that shit lmfao. and I'm talking about all the hate. Like bro obviously he has an ego and he's bad, but the mob mentality of the internet constantly bashing him is insane. It's a fkn game bro it's not that serious

[@Mattska329]

The result of unstoppable drama meeting an immovable ego

[@alel1234]

he keeps feeding the flames lol

[@colorsabsract7107]

@@alel1234 see you losers are just sad. so for him to just give in and apologize so the flames dispurse? succumb the mob of angry losers all for the sake of peace? absolute comedy

[@WOW99910]

He owes one​@@colorsabsract7107

[@joseherrera930]

What is bro on about lmao

[@ZombieChicken-X]

@@colorsabsract7107yea it’s called consequence for your actions, look it up. You can pay for your transactions or suffer the consequences

[@Vanaolla]

“Tyler won’t hit challenger” “Tyler is a one trick” “Tyler won’t get unbanned from league” “Tyler won’t hit challenger jungle” “Tyler won’t hit challenger top” “Tyler won’t hit challenger mid” “Tyler won’t hit challenger support” “Tyler wont hit challenger in EU” “Tyler won’t leave Mulgore in WoW” “Tyler will die in RFC” “Tyler will die in WC” “Tyler will never get the WW axe solo” “Tyler will never hit 60” “Tyler will never be guild leader” “Tyler will not even get one round VS Soda poppins” “Tyler won’t win the first to 5 against Soda” Well, what now? You think he won’t raid lead Molten Core? Cause I’ll tell you what. I never doubted. DOPA DOWN!!!

[@skoodlemoose]

when he hits GM in chess im gonna lose my mind

[@YuYuYuna_]

You can add "Tyler will be a deadbeat dad" which is what tons of the most vile hatewatchers said about him when they announced they were having a kid and yet Tyler is seemingly incredibly active and helpful and doing a great job.

[@RetroCube]

Dude sets his mind to a task and doesn’t half ass it. Respect.

[@xLuis89x]

​@@YuYuYuna_but that's not something that tyler1 set himself out to do, that's what the haters think he will do

[@zavinci5133]

I mean I respect tyler but jesus the glazing here is insane. lmao

[@Truemeaning-]

through all this foolery, the one thing ive noticed and cared about is how much tyler1 has matured. i remember being young and watching him play with Greek, and as ive grown older its amazing to see hes grown alot as well, in many different ways. Maybe its the child? seems its quite natural most times when a man becomes a dad, but all i know is it makes me happy to see.

[@CortzyFN]

Same bro same

[@sope3280]

lmao everyone in chat agreeing when tyler calls chat hoppers trash when they are the hoppers

[@Yabog00]

100%

[@nathancasey7712]

But they probably aren't saying nasty shit. Obviously you're going to go hop between streams, it's entertaining to get all perspectives.

[@khatogast6916]

Well there's enough people in his chat for genuine people that agree and the ones that chat hop for toxicity probably just stayed silent for a sec we'd never know

[@justadude5573]

so you assume everyone agreeing is a hopper and then you assume every hopper who agrees flames in other chats? not getting the logic here but ok

[@Schizo00]

​@@justadude5573 There's no need to assume when its a fact lol. Literally 90% twitch viewer are like that 😂

[@GawlJoey]

Tyler1 calling furrys furys is hilarious

[@LucidRecluse]

OnlyFurys

[@P4PKing]

@@Mas-ij3ti Alright, you people gotta stop. Unless this can be proven without a shadow of a doubt you gotta stop spreading rumors. It's actually getting ridiculous at this point that people are now making pedo allegations without any definitive proof. He got people killed in a video game 4 days ago. Get over it.

[@GawlJoey]

@@Mas-ij3ti Aight imma need some proof for that one bruh

[@glim2238]

​@@P4PKing Kiwi farms has everything on him, thor did hired minor to do nsfw art, he did met her irl, he is a furry cause his furafinity account has a lot of ferret art, just compare ferrets on his FA to a ferret from his game

[@Shellackle]

I personally enjoyed "Orgamire" 2:57 btw

[@StarStew]

I just really love T1 whenever he isn't shackled by the satan LoL. This guy is always trying to hold himself up to his standards and what he deems fair and real. It's really hard for me to understand how he can keep together while working all the time on the internet dealing with twitch*ards and twi*ards. Truly a symbol on the internet.

[@joeysung311]

LoL is the satan yeah 😂

[@supasnake8138]

He still lives in Missouri and has stayed grounded.

[@StarStew]

@ Bless him. I truly hope he keeps up fighting for his ideals and avoid the many poisonous people in his industry. This generation of fatherless internet goblins need more role models like T1

[@ChromeMagnum]

Shackled by satan is OD lmao

[@pickledokra2963]

​@@supasnake8138bro rural mo fking blows how does he do it

[@Warintello]

Tyler being the only one that actually isn't foaming at the mouth and understands both sides. Wild times

[@skyann9814]

That’s growth

[@ProdByCari]

T1 playing this smart, he saw the clip of Pirate saying he was an ex-blizzard employee and still had connections to report people... he knew Soda would take the bait siding with everyone else and instead of having to 1v1 Soda's account would be banned forcing T1 to maintain his position as true war chief. Absolute genius mastermind.

[@Blankhound]

dopa down!

[@hatinguh]

Finally a funny comment amongst the trash drama 😂

[@edgybravo4287]

😂

[@DasMurky]

His reference to his co workers at blizzard was in reference to the DEATH THREATS in WoW chat

[@Creed236]

Holy shit that's genius god damn that's why he's da warchief

[@bronzethunderbeard1572]

7:15 you aren’t out of touch tyler you are getting older and have a family and know there is much more important things in life 😊

[@damianbtooks]

Bruh.

[@Badkid808]

No, he is. Pirate is scum and silences anyone's voice he doesn't like.

[@FiNN--]

@@Badkid808 1:1 like Asmongold That's why they love eachother so much.

[@Brimfarm]

@@Badkid808It’s a video game mate, you don’t know him personally, you’re just too young to differentiate between something real and significant and something virtual like this 😂

[@onlineperson1144]

Not out of touch, the drama is manufactured and Pirate is being targeted for making a single vid with the "problematic" Asmon. It's almost mainstream media levels of trying to destroy "problematic" people.

[@thirtysilver33]

Remember when people played video games for fun? Pepperidge farm does.

[@devious00]

Streaming personalities ruined gaming. All they give a shit about is generating content at anyone and everyone elses expense.

[@joelhodoborgas]

@@devious00 Not only streamers, people ingame are assholes and weird nowadays.

[@Dial8Transmition]

​@@devious00+++

[@mrhaast5053]

This kind of drama has always been around lol. Only diffrence now is most of it is publicly broadcasted.

[@mr.futurestrader2115]

@@mrhaast5053you’re right. Got a taste of it back in EverQuest using freaking Teamspeak. I remember being like 13 and getting screamed at by elitist lmao

[@AHersheyHere]

The guy getting death threats: “hey this is going on too long, it dangerous for me. I will report it if it continues.” The people stirring the pot: “I feel uncomfortable.“

[@euoplo1007]

nobody would care if he only talked about the people sending him death threats, unfortunately for him he meant all people shit talking him. his ego simply couldnt handly it

[@Xershade]

@@euoplo1007 The problem is people were saying shit on their streams, knowing that chat will go and do this disgusting crap even if told not to. Sorry but all the people kicking their chat wasp nests to Pirate should have a seat and rethink their choices before crying.

[@joelgentz737]

@@Xershade As for him trying to get people banned, people are demanding proof there were actual threats or hate raids. The reverse is also true, we didnt se him filing the reports so that couldve been just as made up to prevent more.

[@jackrose5077]

@@euoplo1007 What ego is anyone talking about with pirate? He's fine, I don't know where people are getting that from.

[@somersault1123]

"Hey, man. All you had to do was say you're sorry for being ultimately responsible for the actions I took! Could have easily avoided all of this."

[@saubie]

I treat WoW drama like a TV show drama. I'll yap about it in comments for days but to even think of trying to contact them directly, dig up their past, or wish ill on them just seems so weird to me. just enjoy the ride

[@JJ-xt2dq]

Good take

[@DemiSaint]

Yes but if you talk for days in the comments and there are more people like you so this environment gives these freaks confidence in doing unreasonable things.

[@curumon]

the best is that it is only because someone died in a video game. this is the reason why everyone says (even the WoW community on its own) that WoW has the most toxic community of all MMO´s.

[@1Beastieee]

This is a rational response.

[@Justin-rt7yp]

This wow shit is unwatchable I only want drama

[@calligrown619]

The only sane take in the entire guild. Thank you tyler for being an actual adult.

[@dcort100]

savix?

[@sydneyforwalter2502]

Ya exactly. I’m confused why everyone cared about pirate so much. I’m confused why it keeps popping up in my recommended lol I watched one or 2 vids about it and I wanna be done

[@abefroman2477]

​@sydneyforwalter2502 it's because he talked down to alot of people and had this persona of a god player who knows everything. It's incredibly fun to shit on someone for a mistake who constantly shits on others for mistakes and can't handle shit talk. Don't dish it if you can handle it yourself.

[@Jerry_Sprinterr]

This kind of drama is practically embedded in the streaming ecosystem, but it ultimately boils down to human nature. Refusing to apologize often stems from ego-a universal aspect of human interaction. Whether it’s in the workplace, relationships, or any other context, when people see through the facade and recognize insincerity or moral posturing, they will call it out. Ego-driven behavior may be common, but it rarely goes unchecked in the long run.

[@edgybravo4287]

​@@sydneyforwalter2502people love drama. And no Tyler doesn't have a sane take he just likes to ride the fence. He did it when the whole Kayla drama too. The only take here is pirate has a huge ego. It's obvious he got titled when the "noob" player in the group called him out. So he had to prove a point. Like the dude is just a clown that's it that's the sane take. Now he's playing victim card acting like online bullies are gonna get him 😂 I can't believe how many people are falling for that. Even Tyler is falling for it. Bro ain't no one gonna hurt you physically for being bad at WoW chill tf out 😂

[@mocacola1148]

Tyler1 being the only reasonable person is not on my bingo list

[@average.yt.commenter609]

Thor and asmongold seem very reasonable to me.

[@average.yt.commenter609]

@ Very reasonable. I can tell you've participated in cancel culture before. What is this mob mentality?

@@average.yt.commenter609 both of them are narcissist liars, stop glazing

@@average.yt.commenter609 lmao you gona pull cancel culture card now after Thor (your idol) was banning people left and right?

[@The_Gallowglass]

He is being reasonable but he's also misremembering what happened. Pirate didn't "at the first sign of danger he ran and never turned around and sprinted for the exit". That's not what happened. Two players called danger, run run run run. They all started moving out. When one of them said, "we should kill the hyenas" he took two steps, turned around and blizzarded. It might not have been the move, but that's what he did.

[@360Fov]

Pirate being an actual lolcow with a kiwifarms history and everything is the craziest part of all this.

[@alec6583]

I remember when Tyler got banned from League. Honestly, I'm so impressed by how easily he breaks from the frenzy and calls a situation for EXACTLY what it is. Like, I'm not even a massive fan of his, but he shows, like... serious, IRL leadership skills. Pretty cool!

[@Nossody]

combination of having a kid and playing WoW will be the tyler1 maturing arc.

[@curumon]

@@Nossody the perfect way to a pure toxic kid because WoW has the most toxic community of all MMO´s.

[@ChromeMagnum]

Literally started watching him only after he got banned; those streams were goated

[@mauriceanderson5413]

Constructed in an unusual manner

[@shipso6116]

He is an unique person of sheer will, forged by League, advanced by chess, matured by fathership )).

[@RatKirby]

NGL I have a lot more respect for T1 since he started WoW and took over Onlyfangs. I definitely made a mistake judging before I'd seen more of how you handle some things. You're absolutely right about people going overboard and needing to chill. Mad respect for continuing the extra runs to help people gear up etc.

[@deadaim89]

Well he had a kid and his entire perspective on life changed.

[@Mizt_Plays]

Tyler said it best, there are unlikable people everywhere. Just because someone is unlikable doesn't mean you have to put them on a stake. The people taking this way overboard live their entire lives on the internet and have no idea how to interact with people in real life.

[@MinhNguyen-ny2ns]

Peak unemployed behaviour lol.

[@mhh16]

It’s funny tho can’t lie

[@euoplo1007]

doesnt mean people cant meme the sgit out of it

[@celnocks_2354]

@@euoplo1007ah yes…. Death threats and swatting…. Such memes….

[@SPC_SawCopyNess]

it's true. will always be true in life. people are walking egos and think they got something over others. they're actual brain rot.

[@zacc6802]

let’s remember when Yamatosdeath did the same thing to Dantes where he blew up a small bit of drama to get him hated by everyone. It’s just what he does.

[@Adriiell]

Bro ditched an entire country

[@heavenlyyw]

pirate & dantes were both being insufferable pieces of shit whats ur point? starting to see a pattern here

[@silliestgoober69]

this is different tho, yamato is an asshole no question but he didn’t want anyone to die and was willing to try anything to prevent it, he is a moron so it didn’t go well but roachsoftware just panicked and left. which again is totally fine if you own it but he continues to act like he knows everything even bigger asshole but its all a game so its really not that deep

[@JakeOver9000]

@@silliestgoober69 Once you know that Frost Nova and Blizzard don't affect CC immune bosses, you just sort of know.

[@noble137]

yeah the yamato guy interrupting pirate and then saying “let me speak” while interrupting was peak for me. pirate roached but yamato made an effort to vilify him, when the only reason people died was because they’re unorganised and uncommunicative.

[@Sonar90]

It's all ego from everyone involved, and a bunch of flying monkies making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[@surfbort]

But in the end of the day it’s content and nowadays all attention is good attention, I just hope he doesn’t go insane with mana crystal memes over the rest of his career

[@asddasdasdasdadsa]

ill cant say much about pirate but the rest is a joke tyler and asmon are the only ones ill heared witha good take and the rest are little crybabies who should be spanked by there moms so a little bit of manlynis goes into them ehhhhh we bann someone because he didnt apolocse i didnt hear an argument like these after middleschool or lower jesus.

[@1WithTheDark]

@@surfbort Its going to be MASSIVE

[@Pokerbum225]

facts

[@Medowokha-bp5lq]

After a while it wasn't even about the roaching but a personality type that is actually hated. Does he deserve the crazies? No, does he deserve memeing and criticism? Absolutely, is it getting old? Yeah, hopefully he shuts up but if he don't? Eh more memes.

[@GucciGoblins]

The lck clip legit got me to tear up, too funny

[@doubledgaming4032]

LOL same! It got so bad they were memeing it in League Pro Play.

[@GetSentenced]

bro that shit had me crying i was laughing so hard! did not expect that from the clip at all LMAO

[@jei1036]

This is why we love T1. He rages and is often out of control, acting like a kid sometimes. But when it's time to be an adult, he shows the most maturity and uses common sense. My Warchief.

[@StinkyMick99]

😂😂gae asf, seen like 20 of these glazing comments😂😂

[@Markus-dz3bt]

@@StinkyMick99 how old are you

[@StinkyMick99]

@@Markus-dz3bt20 how old are these people, all I’m seeing is people glaze Tyler like god damn are people just copying comments for easy likes??😂😂😂

[@xinel4576]

@StinkyMick99 imagine caring about youtube comments as a 20 year old

[@Noxadrol]

Sometimes lol

[@DreLockett510]

imagine the rogue flaming the mage when the rogue did absolutely nothing to help the situation lmfao. doesn't gouge mobs, doesn't kidney mobs, doesn't even try to kill the mobs, doesn't try to rip aggro of any of the mobs on healer and evasion tank... talking about ego? what are we even talking about lmfao.

[@Entreped]

All he did was try to throw a blind onto the immune boss. Like what? At the end of the day, Pirates 0.1 second Blizzard was more of a contribution.

[@t0nje]

@@Entreped No one is blaming the rogue because he's a noob, and said so himself, pirate on the other hand is self proclaimed 20 year old mage veteran that seriously made fun of other mages for being bad, and literally mentioned this exact scenario that mages not doing it "makes him sick". Subhuman iq people commenting that cant make context out of anything.

[@dingleberry4234]

Yea but he’s a noob lmao he’s supposed to be bad. 4:55

[@JJ-xt2dq]

@@Entrepedhow are you still missing the point. People were mad bc of pirates condescending attitude not his bad play itself. Yamato is a noob. No shit sherlock.

[@Gebirges]

​@@dingleberry4234 when you reach 60, you're done being a noob

[@SurplusMarket]

The whole situation with Pirate has perfectly illustrated the brain rot that exists on the Internet and within streamer culture. People with too much time and too deep of parasocial relationships.

[@Jake-oy2pl]

Yeah there's just no way people are writing think pieces in this comment section about a mans life over a bad call in a video game lol

[@aeshi8119]

​@@Jake-oy2plhe ran down on purpose to be right he couldnt help and then refuse to say it and just say "we played bad"

[@Jake-oy2pl]

@@aeshi8119 why do you care

[@lucasrob98]

@@aeshi8119 Who cares bro just get a llife lmao

[@valeryi3374]

That's why I don't try to have a discussion with anyone on the internet if I'm not confident they are constructive, it's either echo chamber where everyone agree on common denominator without challenge of opinion, or straight outcasting. The internet is indeed became mediocre place.

[@IceTax69]

Its the thing of the internet, when someone is right, nobody cares, but as soon as someone is wrong, everyone is quick to point it out. The best way to get an answer to your question is to post the wrong aswer.

[@ivanmagana5267]

Yea plp dont realize this.

[@BelalAhmady-n6r]

Damn that was deep

[@hejalll]

well obviously, social beings feel a need to disencourage bad behaviour by bringing attention to it.

[@Mizt_Plays]

SO TRUE

[@matheuscabral2202]

@@hejalll which is stupid, since you’re doing it on someone else’s behalf that you have a parasocial relationship with…

[@KyzaMizu]

This entire situation reads like a bunch of toddlers arguing because one of them called the other a poopyhead.

[@MccElite]

My thoughts exactly

[@yearoldmann]

it’s literally “i’m crying because you didn’t say sorry”

[@goofverdinus165]

@@yearoldmann its a narcissist who doesnt own up to his mistakes and acts like hes superior to others.

[@thatfatguyslenderman3412]

@@goofverdinus165 its wow. its really not that fuckin deep. dude heard run, and ran. crazy huh

[@Khreepypasta]

​@@goofverdinus165 can't fix em all

[@retrohanska4441]

Pirate 100% did this to himself. He always hyped himself up to being the smartest and the most righteous person in the room. His interview with DrK (HealthyGamer) pretty much made him seem like mentally he's completely untouchable. He's quickly become one of those internet father figures to plenty of young guys, probably some girls as well and people really look up to him. He set the bar so goddamn high for himself. And he runs a goddamn animal rescue charity that largely depends on his reputation for its funding. That's why it's so bewildering that he would ruin his reputation over something so trivial and make himself look like a complete tool for no good reason whatsoever. These are actions of clueless idiot so I'd wager that plenty of people harassing him are his former fans who really looked up to him and now feel bamboozled when they find out he he's nowhere near as smart or kind as he claims to be. I don't think most people care about what happened in the game or about the apology or lack of it. They care about guy they thought was gigachad turning out to be a loser. They care about guy who was always holier than thou actually being a lying asshole. But of course none of this justifies any harassment, it just means plenty of people hounding him became way too parasocial for their own good. I hope they learn that if someone keeps telling how awesome they are that's probably not the case.

[@HotsuHara]

I've NEVER WATCHED a T1 video and never been interested until I saw his personality as a guild leader in a random video on my algorithm. I can't help but like him now, it's wild What a personality

[@trystan4358]

It was a meme at first but t1 really is “built different” no denying it now

[@Validifyed]

Tyler1 when you convince him to stop playing league for a bit

[@animex3183]

i did see some of his stuf in league but he is more fun in wow. you get to see that its a persona

[@zer0stars]

@@HotsuHara T1 is truly one of the best streamers out there. He dedicates really hard if he has a set goal. From being all role, multi-regional Challenger in League, 2000 Elo Chess player, amazing weightlifter, and father, he is genuinely a really good person from what I have seen from him.

[@csguy3223]

Yeah, he’s a great entertainer too. If you like this, watch the cooking streams and the life of Tyler1 streams from when he was banned from League.

[@IlluviAsh]

I really appreciate how empathetic and level headed T1 is in regards to all the drama that's happened since him becoming Guild Leader.

[@christopherjohnson7964]

Proves that soda sucks

[@yangtsur]

tyler seems to be the only one with common sense.

[@xPiriyahx]

It's wild what social skills can do to a person. We gotta remember almost all of these streamers are or were social rejects

[@DelRae]

Cause Tyler actually has a life outside of the game lol.

[@jasonbliss6030]

@@yangtsur He is the only normal one to be fair. The comments right before me hit it right on the head, he's got social skills.

[@paullutze636]

Have you seen Savix take/tweet on the matter ? If not I can highly recommend

[@dieklachst1675]

Always has been

[@G4RYWithaFour]

I Think Pirate letting his ego control him over a videogame is stupid. I think death-threat Swatdoxxing Pirate because he didnt say sorry for playing bad in a videogame is extremely cringe and pathetic. Tyler's chat trying to defend it too is utterly wild

[@premiumfruits3528]

This won't be the last time Yam is at the center of major drama. People are about to learn what the LoL community has known about him for a long time. The ride is just getting started.

[@likagan727]

Exactly, his entire carrier is based on selfmade drama and people are oblivious to this

[@ee1543]

Better that than a wannabe know-everything

[@drafman1]

yam fanboys making this about him LOL? He's barely got anything to do with this shit

[@krogan3760]

@@drafman1he was the one that got everyone killed and the one that started deflecting it to pirate to protect himself

[@likagan727]

@ well, personally i dont even hatewatch him. he just appears with big drama in other streamers channels and every time its drama that he created out of nothing himself

[@XxCarlosAlexis99xX]

Man I love Tyler been following him since 2016 and the growth on maturity is insane.

[@bobo7918]

Tyler has always been more mature than most, fortunately screaming doesn't equate to lack of maturity. Persona or not, anyone with half a brain could see that.

[@Speuler911]

Imagine seeing him for the first time since like 2016😂

[@crucible1084]

hes always been probably one of the most mature streamers league just makes everyone pissed off lmao

[@nhensonbass]

Literally went from “I never get into drama” to “All the drama comes to me” in the span of like two months LOL

[@Ryzawa]

When Tyler has gotta tell people to chill then you know the drama is truly overblown.

[@redactedaudioworks9407]

This situation fully shows the attitudes of twitch streamers: "You're either our friend, or we'll throw you to the wolves"

[@sebassg3668]

Funny enough, The streamers involved are punching up in this situation, doesn’t hurt them but damn sure doesn’t help, content is content I guess

[@kaizenallgood]

Yep. Asmongold only sane person in the room imo (although on the extreme side of it too).

[@Clivewarrenxfm]

@@kaizenallgood Only takes are right and wrong. Asmons take is wrong thats it.

[@kaizenallgood]

@@Clivewarrenxfm Well you are just a sheep amongst the flock of haters who can't see clearly then. Go spam "RATSOFTWARE" in Orgrimmar cause obv you lack critical thinking or thinking in general.

[@Clivewarrenxfm]

@ uh no - he sucks and talked big shit about his class and what to do in situations exactly like that and shit his pants instead of backing his talk up. Soda, Xaryu, Ziqo, Savix all classic wow vets agreed he roached tf out. Go argue with a brick wall loser.

[@FriedBalooney]

When your shot caller is undecisive

[@Clivewarrenxfm]

''shot caller'' lmaoooo

[@kennethsvedberg5496]

Its insane how T1 is the only one that looks at this like a human. Everyone else just pour gasoline on the fire xD

[@SlyEphex]

T1 sorta exposed the fact League players are actually less toxic than WoW players....The amount of times these goofballs go "yeah its bad to hate raid people, but pirate is a real roach trash person who deserves all of this"...Its like bro is being treated worse than the psychopath who was biting his arm.

[@CrypticBore]

Based take

[@edstone9890]

right? why tf that dude started biting himself is insane lol and he didnt do nothing to help CC either lol rogue and mage both choked hard

[@mikeesteves8427]

@@edstone9890 the druid pulled the extra pack that got more people killed than needed. if they had executed the "run" call when it was called nobody would have died

[@Laptican]

Exactly this. League for some reason has gotten a reputation where it's supposed to be very toxic. I'm willing to bet my life savings on this but WoW players are much more toxic. Some WoW players are going into lenghts into type out a whole paragraph to players (all slurs etc) and then block them. Many even do it on several characters and proceedes to report them afterwards. Maybe i'm not old enough to understand the logic but i atleast don't become all toxic if dungeon, raid etc doesn't go my way. I just let it go. I'm also doing very high m+ with a premade group and the 5 of us are very chill and doesn't care if a key gets depleted. I haven't done very much Classic, so i don't really want to be an expert in that, but i assume it's the same as Retail.

[@wtfduud]

The guy who started the drama (Yamato) is a League player.

[@pdstonks305]

Mad respect for Tyler1. He gets what it’s like to not want to bend a knee to public outcry. Based as fuck Tyler1 you got a new fan.

[@LockeNarshe]

In this situation, the overwhelming majority against Pirate's deflections are just talking about common sense. Has nothing to do with "bending the knee". On the internet, bending the knee typically occurs when an extreme group of very FEW people tries to pressure someone with emotional outbursts rather than logical statements. It's almost never what the majority of people are expressing on the opinion. Tyler just doesn't want any more of it to keep going. Thor might deserve the ass kicking he's getting right now, but it doesn't make him a bad person who should forever be remembered for a moment of weakness. It's based on what Thor takes away from the situation and what he learns. If he learns nothing, well... then he's doomed to make the same mistake eventually again.

[@Hammer1987]

@@LockeNarshe How does he deserve any of this? The tank made a bad pull and Yam turned the situation into an unsalvageable mess. And suddenly Thor is the bad guy for refusing to throw his character onto the pyre? If Thor had stopped to fight like Yam wanted they would have wiped. His mistake was playing with those guys in the first place. That last pull wasn't the first bad pull that day. The signs were there. He should have just left, but he was probably distracted talking to his chat. That's also his mistake. But everything that happened after the bad pull rests solely on the shoulders of the tank and Yam.

[@pdstonks305]

@@LockeNarshe If i am out with a guy i barely know and he picks a fight with someone twice his size, I am not going to help. Not because I suck at fighting, not because I am scared, because I have a fucking job interview the next day and I don't want to show up with a black eye. Should I be forced to apologize to this guy I barely know because he picked a fight I didn't want to be in and I didn't help? Could I have done something to help in the fight, absolutely. Doesn't mean I owe and apology or accountability.

[@mmefett5122]

@@Hammer1987It’s not about the play, it’s about his actions afterwards and for threatening smaller streamers with bans.

[@TheWizardauz]

This whole witch-hunt by ego fueled attention starved streamers has actually turned me off to this whole HC wow. I’m not on any side but this is just cringe on all sides

[@THEGRISLYSPONGE]

The spewing of toxicity is disgusting, especially over a video game.

[@NeoPancake_]

The worst part is that this is what HC has become over the past year. Like all HC wow is good for is to cause drama for content. That's all.

[@thebruh9547]

On the one hand, this really has been overblown, especially when what happened is part of what makes Hardcore cinema. But on the other hand, this incident and the Petri Ban could be a perfect combination for future cinema.

[@csguy3223]

Wait Tyler banned Petri?? What a massive Chad. I’ve been saying Petri shouldn’t be allowed for years.

[@somersault1123]

@@csguy3223 I think Soda did. Pretty sure it's been in place since the start of this season. Could be wrong. Mostly don't care. Just here to mock this specific incident.

[@TinMan445]

“This is way too much” 10 seconds later explains why the story is so captivating😂😂😂

[@somersault1123]

It's actually not captivating at all. It's just mildly funny because everyone's losing their minds over nothing at all.

[@Abyssionknight]

Streamers all have big egos and are content brained so I'm not surprised such a minor incident blew up into something this stupid. If this was a normal group, the people making such a big deal about him not saying sorry are probably the ones that'd get kicked from the guild for being so god damn annoying. Though in this situation they're streamers, so doing that just gives them the content they crave and drags you into their drama. This is exactly why I would never want to be a streamer in a streamer oriented guild.

[@gampie13]

in any normal guild, yamato would probably be the one kicked, for being a snake

[@momomunsta8887]

people actually are using hate reserved for someone killing a family member for this video game drama that they’re not even a part of.

[@diaperamess]

how? explain precisely how ppl are using "hate reserved for someone killing a family member". that's a huge statement with 0 evidence.

[@tanner2238]

​@diaperamess dudes been getting death threats and called slurs. Its pretty obvious that's what they're talking about

[@diaperamess]

@@tanner2238 uh no.. if someone kills your family member you wouldn't use empty death threats behind a screen. you would ACTUALLY try and kill them. his life isn't even close to being in danger ppl are just memeing. you are mentally regarded to the highest degree.

[@burger9788]

Don't believe that tbh, only "evidence" he's shown were 4 wow messages that looked insanely fake. He's just pity farming to come out on top 🤷

[@crow5946]

I've gotten death threats from random people I wasn't even talking to after saying people probably shouldn't use 4chan so much and you think he would need to fake getting death threats when a bunch of people are mad at him? Genuinely, what is wrong with you people?

[@WholeBitThe]

there is no way this is real. How is THE Tyler1 the most sane and emotionally mature person in this whole situation.

[@tothemoon5310]

The druid who caused the whole thing:

[@pedrofaria6236]

Mana gem.

[@derpinglemon4577]

I think he helped enough. Even I would get fed up if my party kept fighting 3 groups after I slowed it for them. Absolute morons.

[@bigpep7987]

bad pulls happen, that's why you have a mage lol. you can say you've never made a mistake before ina dung that lead to a bad pull but at the end of the day the mage is expected to at least try and use his CCs. He was never in any danger.

[@IM_MOUNTAIN]

@@derpinglemon4577 it’s good of you to show, that you are a roach also. 😊

[@ethan22951]

Tyler has a really good view on this whole thing, he views it more like the WWE understanding its just characters adding to a story that doesn't really matter. He's doing it for the entertainment value more than the game itself, viewing Pirate as a heel character, while also trying to separate the personal side of him to understand his response given the mass hate he's getting on the game and the internet as a whole. Unfortunately, most gamers are socially stunted. So now he has to explain a very basic level of emotional intelligence to people who treat this game as their life. Cinema.

[@KodamaoftheWeastTree]

Tyler having to be the only voice of reason in the guild must be maddening for him.

[@MrBigknife]

Incredible that tyler1 is the calm and reasonable person here. The wave riders must have cooked craniums.

[@bungrus]

Pirate Software joins back on the server, brings back Asmon's guild "Roach Out", the server dies that day

[@SlavesGaming]

🥴

[@sitticpn5908]

Its will be golden content 😂

[@rinzia7350]

But no one to carry them 😂

[@onlineperson1144]

Pirate is already getting death threats and articles written about how far right he is for making a single vid with Asmon.

[@Brimfarm]

@@onlineperson1144Yeah people seriously are parasocial and have nothing better to do with their lives than watch streams all day long and impose their personal feelings into it, it’s actually so weird, equivalent to a little girl crying when her fav movie character gets hurt, it’s so out of touch and immature 😂

[@marcusdorsey5404]

Cracks me up that Tyler knows and sees how cringe it has become and wants to move on. The conversation with the people after really proves it. The guy with the lower voice keeps trying to bad mouth him Pirate and push it to something more and Tyler was having none of it 😂

[@montgab13]

can we get a punishment for yamdef for calling run run then being the reason comms couldn't be used to save lives and then went on a personal mission to tear down pirate.....

[@sadarot]

And probably being the biggest reason on why Pirate was not willing to discuss what happend. He raged right away and got super aggressiv. Like I can't listen to any of the vods because he is just so insufferable.

[@stevenboddy4232]

35 year old man yells run then cries when he doesn't run then perishes in virtual world.

[@somersault1123]

Neither of the callers actually died. They led the two other people in their party to their deaths then successfully formed a hate mob to blame the only other guy just because he was smart enough to ignore them.

[@lordgohan5907]

Don't forget he hangs around doing literally nothing the entire time as he watches his teammates perish and when he sees they might get out alive, he pulls more mobs and tells them to stop because it's "salvageable". Can't make this stuff up.

[@Katniss0000]

even Pirate have done more damage than him as a Roque. Yamato is like those people who Takes a video of you while getting attacked. there is a 5-10 second where they are just standing. THe healer could have survived.

[@stevenboddy4232]

@ I totally agree with you. Everyone could have played better but to blame ONE guy for everyones downfall and POOR LEADER COMMUNICATION! I really feel bad for him.

[@lordgohan5907]

@Katniss0000 I don't think the rogue attacked a single time after they were retreating. Could have helped with the dogs

[@undeadsquidjj]

I don't agree with Tyler too often but he is 100% right here. This shit is hilarious! Does Pirate deserve to get all this hate just for not saying sorry, AFTER they already tried the instances and the man said he didn't wanna try it again with the same group. They make the same stupid mistakes that almost party wiped them the first time, I would blink tf outta there without a second thought or word. All you hear is "BYYYEEEEE!!" *blink*

[@WAstateofmind]

Keep coping. Imagine being a Mage and not casting Frost Nova ONCE. Lol

[@jhayemdoubleyou]

Pirate did nothing wrong.

[@paselitoru]

@@WAstateofmind IMagine telling someone how to play their character when you don't pay for their account.

[@snowpegasi]

@@WAstateofmind imagine being a shitter rouge and jumping around like a jackass in the back when you have everything up

[@michaelh878]

Then he shouldn't have tried with the same group. He roached out even worse in the previous attempt.

[@DriplessShrimp]

Tyler is funny and right. As someone with kids im so glad I keep them off the internet. People are wild.

[@uncleshay303]

"that's strike 1 Kamala" is crazy 😂

[@SinfulGFX]

The shot caller was far more in the wrong than PirateSoftware was. PirateSoftware atleast said that "all of us could have done better there." The shot caller guy blew this whole thing up on the internet to misdirect his screw ups unto PirateSoftware which worked. I watched all the vods from each perspective. This should not have devolved into the shitshow it became. No matter who was in the wrong or in the right death threats are not ok.

[@vods840]

"I watched all the vods from each perspective" but only quote pirate, yeah rightttttt agree on the shitshow tho. Apparently he has a dark history so after the initial blowback/backlash the past caught up to him and amplified it once more

[@SinfulGFX]

@vods840 Why would I quote Yamato by saying, "RUN RUN RUN RUN, Pirate, why you walking? This is salvageable." It was clear he was in the wrong, yet he blamed everything on Pirate. Pirate is not perfect. He even said that "we all could have done better there," but I didn't hear one apology from Yamato telling to healer to come back and heal the tank because it was "salvageable" which caused that healer to die. At least Pirate threw a blizzard up to slow the mobs while running away. All Yamato did was walk backwards and throw a blind at the boss, which did nothing.

[@SinfulGFX]

@vods840 But yes, it is a shitshow that refuses to die. Sodapoppin was complaining earlier about how people died on their 200hr characters, and I'm just sitting here thinking to myself that these people here have been playing this game for years and are on a hardcore realm. If 200hrs is considered a lot of time for them, then maybe they shouldn't be playing on a hardcore realm in the first place.

[@vods840]

@@SinfulGFX Because thats the only perspective you saw.. Yamato apologized like any capable human afterwards and THAT is what matters and why yamato isn't getting much backlash. To quote a stressful moment from Yamato and from pirate a tweet when he has time to collect his thoughts is disingenuous no? I am not even talking about Pirate changing Goalposts from initially not admitting fault

[@SinfulGFX]

@vods840 You say he apologized, but it was a superficial apology because a bit later, he got with sodapoppin and convinced him to kick PirateSoftware out of the guild. He waited until tyler1 was asleep to do it too because he knew he would have been against it, which he was.

[@PaytonDriefus]

Ngl, I wonder if Yamato had any sort of blowback on him for being one of, if not THE driving force behind this whole thing getting overblown

[@Hiki87]

They always have discussions after incidents like this, it wasn't out of the normal. What was out of the normal was Pirate refusing to talk to them, situation would have been defused if he had done anything else, he had several chances to do so.

[@mmefett5122]

It’s Pirate’s own fault for feeding the flames. He refuses let go of his enormous ego and can’t let the drama go to rest. Why blame Yamato for Pirate’s douchy behaviour?

[@yigameiser]

@@mmefett5122 Did you not listen to anything T1 said? PirateSoftware has 15k+ people in his chat, probably more that are actively going there to troll/harass him. Pirate cant simply "ignore that" especially when you are getting messages in game, twitter, reddit, DM's, chat, the general chat of the game, youtube clips/shorts farming him. I would actually argue its everyone else feeding the flames to farm it for content for their youtube channels.

[@PaytonDriefus]

​@mmefett5122 Or you can re-read what I said, cause I am in no way "blaming Yamato for Thor's behaviour" I'm explicitly saying Thor did what he did, it's spilled milk at this point. Meanwhile, ofc 'everyone could have done better' has been run into the ground, and Yamato when it was still fresh was bulldozing over civil conversation & mediation, even when he was speaking to their (at the time) guildmaster crying bloody murder about "accountability". If it was Snupy or Sara doing it, understandable. But Snupy & Sara aren't jumping into Asmon's chat & getting farmed & ragebaited - while representing the guild - over what ultimately accounts to petty drama over people wasting their time in hardcore & creating an entirely new facet of the issue to draw attention to. It's not that hard to understand.

[@Hiki87]

@@yigameiser nobody was fanning those flames other than pirate. Others were reacting to him doubling down and memeing because they cannot believe that this moron isn't doing anything to actually defuse the situation.

[@hayleyberry3437]

Tyler1 is turning into Garrosh

[@robertdavis7464]

What is Theramore in this comparison then? And better yet, when do the tickets start selling :D

[@Karzakus]

I definitely agree that the hate raiding and the death threats are 100% over the line and indefensible, but I will say that him getting kicked from the guild and shit on for being a hypocrite is absolutely deserved. You act like a clown and ego people, you get treated like a clown who egos people. Pirate software has a pattern of behavior of never taking accountability for anything, and banning anyone who dares to disagree with his opinion on things. This is like the 3rd drama he's been in where he's just completely in the wrong, and quintuples down on his head ass take and silences anyone who dares to disagree. Does that justify death threats? of course not, but he absolutely deserves to be clowned on for his shitty behavior

[@LumenEtoile]

10:20 "it made me physically ill" that killed me hahaha gold

[@FatalityPWN]

People talking to each other with reason has fallen off in this modern age. Everything has to always be responded to with extremes for the dumbest things.

[@Blankhound]

yeah sad, actually if only pirate didnt just left on that call with yamato and just talk it out, this might not be happening

[@Al-mondzho]

​@@Blankhoundfrom what I've seen of Yamato there is no talking to him, just being yapped at

[@Blankhound]

@ well he is loud for sure, but he can be reasoned out, as far as I have seen when I watch t1 and he is on the raid, but we will never know, as I said, if only pirate didn't just drop that call and talk it out, it might have been a different scenario

[@SurplusMarket]

@@Blankhoundbe real my guy, people would have found a reason to hate no matter what.

[@Blankhound]

@ thats also true lol

[@tothemoon5310]

"At the first sign of danger" ... the rogue calls "RUN!"

[@FrexieFrex]

Thank you! This is exactly what i've been saying. pirate isnt in the right but its blown way out of proportion

[@GenoReaper333]

You've missed the plot. He insulted other mages and talked himself up. When he got put in that position, he couldn't live up to the shit he aspoused. He looked like a clown. Rather than accepting that he lied and gaslit everyone after being caught in 4k misplaying, mousing over gem, ignoring robes, he lied and said he couldn't do it after intentionally draining his mana, he ignored the shot call to peel mobs and definitely directly killed a fellow player. He doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down that he did everything rifght and had zero blame. He then threatened other streamers with twitxh and blizzard action trying to use the fact he used to work there as a weapon. He then bashed the guild as scripted clout chasers, so hell for all we know if we believe him, they've scripted even this very video. If he wasnt a large streamer with a large fan base he wouldn't even be getting a second look. The guild discord proved they don't like his arrogant ass clowning him for "As an ex blizzard enployee, ex us cyber hacker, ex furry, nepo baby" He also said inherently "I'm an enchanter is crusader MY CHARACTER IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALL ELSE' I'm not running shit with anyone with that mindset

[@Infinite_War]

Pirate was a roach, but he wasn't wrong. He's just the victim of Yamato being a drama queen just like he was in brazil.

[@anicebluesky1994]

Trueee and if you watch asmongolds take on it yamato just gets shit on so much more 🤣🤣

[@Lavender_enjoyer]

@@anicebluesky1994asmon is either delusional or baiting though

[@trubetskoy4395]

​@@Lavender_enjoyerhe fully defends Pirate which is insincere, but Yamato is smooth brain who ruined the raid and didnt do shit. There is 0 responsibility on Pirate for deaths. Could've he done something better? Yes. Did he do negative impact like other members? Also no

[@anicebluesky1994]

@Lavender_enjoyer how can asmongold literally a gamer that spent at least 10years on the game be as you say "delusional" no way also he makes great and logical points as to why this whole "let's ban him or kick him" is just straight stupidity"

[@biteofdog]

Tyler is fantastic, and I respect his leadership, rationality, and empathy. If this were any other guild, it all would have been private and a learning experience where he could talk personally about how badly the dungeon went. It would have been an organic experience among adults, but instead it's the lynch mob viewers that want to drag the bad guy out to punish. If this were a personal experience instead of publicly viewed, it wouldn't have needed such a horrible response from people. Pirate and the group screwed up, they all are casuals, so they made mistakes. It was not worthy of the abuse Pirate got. Life is not this serious, they are playing a game to entertain people, that is the big picture. Lighten up folks!

[@likestosleep225]

the hate train on reddit is insane. I don't have a horse in the race but it was interesting to see everyone jump at the chance to pick up a pitchfork against piratesoftware

[@EvilDegen]

That is what happens when you are as unlikable as him.

[@autury-5703]

do you think its only by chance?

[@Jenartik]

redditors are self-loathing, so it makes sense. all their traits are reflected in him

[@jakee.4030]

pitchfork owners ^

[@nekox16paws]

Did you know Steve Jobs died of ligma? Pirate: "I worked at Blizzard for 7 years"

[@wilwaycoholland4337]

Tyler learning that the WoW Classic Community Toxicity makes League Toxicity look like a fucking tea party.

[@gampie13]

yes and no, yamato is proving that snakes thrive in classic wow

[@Glenmc21]

Snakes thrive but rats survive

[@uksoloz]

I mean makes sense hardcore mmo’s with there gear and loot drops and everything on the line at all times, it’s perfect for people that love to see people suffer and lose to thrive. One of my fav mmos archeage was a shit show at its worst like the drama I side stepped and stayed out of was almost painful to stay out of while in guild haha

[@sendneubs]

The schadenfreude I got from this has totally disappeared. It was fun at first but the level of harassment is 100x worse than roaching in the dungeon.

[@selectivevisions]

the worst part of this is it makes the way that yamato acted after seem legit and justified when in reality he acted like a damn muppet and speaks to people like shit. also the only bit of entertainment this years only fangs cos its full of a bunch of lame arse streamers that have no entertainment factor has now been banned. last year was way better until this point this prate situation made it relevant and you could have had a whole arc of everyone bullying him and him redeeming himself at some point but yeah just ban him lol.

[@gampie13]

It looked like yamato actively was trying to get the group killed, and used pirate as a scapegoat, to mask yamato being a roach and a snake

[@Wentr-z]

@@gampie13 i dont know shit about any of this but i saw the clip and thats super far fetched.

[@onlineperson1144]

Yamato did not do any cc either and has a notorious history. Pirate was targeted for working with "problematic" people.

[@Saintzel]

Rogues don’t have nearly as much cc as mages do, and their cc is usually conditional. They have to be stealthed to sap, and then have to be facing the front to gouge, but also Yamato owned up to misplaying so who cares!

[@Brimfarm]

A whole arc of everyone bullying him? Yeah sounds like “fire” content, 😂 parasocial

[@YoshiOSRS]

13:08 that comment was craaaazy

[@theline-o9y]

1:39 i almost spit out my coffee. Also makes so much sense

[@sirnonapplicable]

Worked in IT/Cyber Security, checks out lol

[@MrFakefall]

Is he saying "furry"? I swear I hear "fury" everytime but how can you typo in speech?

[@bobzombie2710]

​@MrFakefall first time hearing someone mispronounce a word? 😢

[@MrFakefall]

@@bobzombie2710 it was a joke and I didnt know he actually meant furry until reading the comments I replied under. Why couldnt fury be some internet/gaming term i'm not familiar with?

[@tenaciousd9402]

Lmao yeah it does I couldn’t see him playing arms or prot

[@Ghandii]

actually good take from tyler tbh, most creators just trash on pirate and doesnt think about it macroly if that makes sense

[@LinkLich]

Pirate kicked = the start of the end of only fangs.

[@KevinBrown-ho4zu]

After all the videos of people's reaction to the situation. This is probably the best take I've seen. Crazy

[@intotheunknown21]

It's funny that what happens in one corner of a corner of a particular gaming circle echoes throughout the entire gaming community.

[@Ruintek]

people outside of wow have no idea about this and could care less. I haven't heard a single person talk about it that wasn't obsessed with classic and twitch

[@intotheunknown21]

@@Ruintek Good point.

[@drafman1]

idk if youre going to pretend to be a genius on everything youve ever interacted with and can do no wrong, people are going to lash out at you when you make a big mistake like this, and hes just provided so much fuel for it, they dont even have to dig far

[@CallMeQuacker]

I will say, if he keeps getting people harassing him about it that's ridiculous. He made a mistake as a human and let's be honest. It's not evil or something like other content creators have done where they could be seen as monsters. Are we really trying to bring someone down, and affect their livelihood because they didn't say "sorry" from running in a, let's be honest, botched raid. It's ridiculous. As a guild, sure go ahead and ban him. Your guild your rules but I feel like even calling it drama is childish. People just screaming at him to say sorry and being butthurt he's like "no".

[@CallMeQuacker]

Another thing I kinda thought about. This is pure speculation but with how upset Yamato was, I feel he could easily be the type to rant and rave to the rest of the guild MAKING more people uncomfortable. This is pure speculation tho so it's possible I'm completely wrong Also I'll note he's already in "drama" because he talked about ashes of creation with asmongold and it seems people don't have any drama of the week so they are overinflating this whole situation

[@allanschtt280]

What the fuck is this realty where Tyler1 has the sane takes???

[@The_Yosh112]

Has Tyler seen the disgusting group think that happened afterwards? Half the people he is talking to in this clip were in the call talking crap iirc. Going so far as to ring Pirate's partner to brag that he got kicked. Big props to Tyler for seeing the other side of this. Crazy how people think the guild's behaviour is ok. They are just a bunch of bullies. I lost a lot of respect for anyone in that call, especially Summit.

[@t0nje]

Almost as disgusting as trying to get people to lose their streaming career and be banned from twitch for not agreeing with him, sure

[@leotheking1000]

​@@t0nje as a reactive statement after being barraged with death threats from community xyz to say "I'll report the behavior" isn't unreasonable! Even then it wouldn't be him making the ban call. Reporting someone in league also isn't the same as banning them.

[@t0nje]

@leotheking1000 he made reports to Twitch how is league relevant????? Streamers are not the ones sending "death threats", its random people online, streamers are not responsible for what their viewers do.

[@leotheking1000]

@t0nje of course streamers can fuel the viewers and bear responsibility. League is an example so that even your slow head has a chance to get it but it seems to be a bit too far behind in development stages. If the streamers didn't do anything over the line there also is no fault in reporting them & twitch saying "well they didn't do anything"? Like, what's the crime here lol

[@JakeOver9000]

@@t0nje If he reports people who are breaking terms of service, the people who broke terms of service are to blame. If they did NOT break terms of service, there is nothing to worry about or hate Pirate for.

[@notme0126]

It's more interesting to me that we now have a sort of "set list" of negative things that can be done to content creators in the space (big or small), mostly in terms of quantity rather than quality of the offense, and have it not be taken seriously by others because it can be brushed off as "fake", "no evidence" or "get used to it". This may have lasted around 4 days for PirateSoftware but the consequences of it(meaning the information that has been extracted as viable tactics) for other creators in the future can maybe go on for a lot longer. A simple question would be: how long would it take for people(CCs and viewers) to completely disregard, say a "death threat", only for it to one day actually happen? Wasn't there a streamer who got put under by a swatting incident? We live in troubled times.

[@shadowmage661]

Quite a few I believe and a cop pointing a weapon at you is never a good time

[@yamiangelous]

We already had the Camilla incident where a 'fan' sent her a gift with a tracker in it and showed up at her place. So like swatting? Nah I'd be more worried about someone doing that. Not to mention there also going after his ferret rescue making claims he abuses the animals n such just overall disturbing levels of behavior

[@Roesch21]

Had Pirate come out the next day with a video called something like “I roached” with a quirky thumbnail I believe this would have all gone differently.

[@CrypticBore]

Oh 100%

[@MarcTheSpot95]

This. He fucked up massively and was a real idiot about it. But he could easily have flipped this and ended with a somewhat positive outcome. Imagine the video content: “I roached, sorry” “Boosting my fallen teammates” and so forth, youknowwhatImean?

[@Vluxuation]

Nah his whole grp fucked up and anyone denying it is crazy and never played WoW.

[@MarcTheSpot95]

@ no yea that is obvious, but what people are talking about is his attitude afterwards

[@Roesch21]

@@Vluxuation it’s not about who messed up. It’s about how it was handled after the fact. I’m not even blaming him for the roach. That’s Monday morning quarterbacking and anyone can do that. It’s more how he handled himself during all this. He keeps making worse on himself.

[@vicariousxiv2436]

Who would have guessed, the "Draven runs it down mid AGAIN" guy turns out to be the most level headed, not even the first time in the last few years actually lol

[@GeejMusic]

He threatened other streamers, tried gaslighting everyone for his mistakes, actually ADMITTED he didnt WANT TO help his party... Talks down to LITERALLY everyone, keeps his mic on while talking to chat the entire dungeon.. Yeah i'd say he deserved the kick

[@sloth210983]

When t1 has the measured take I agree with you know the drama has gone too batshit. Warchief W.

[@WLuke93]

I don't think he should have been banned, it only made it more so that every streamers viewers would now target him more, there should have just been a behind the scenes discussion about it and moved on

[@mataeus.]

He didn’t get banned

[@komorikom6716]

Couldnt even get your facts straight on your very first sentence. Your opinion holds no value.

[@WLuke93]

@@komorikom6716 Banned/Kicked…Potato/PotAto

[@Eskimo1310]

​@@mataeus.Banned kicked what's the difference

[@daroaminggnome]

@@WLuke93 tomato/tomAto pyrate/pyRAT

[@ushinkou8569]

So Soda is the real War Chief here. He has the actual decision making powers.

[@hooch1077]

Should gkick that useless rogue and druid too. And the tank that almost got everyone killed with his terrible pulls. Fairs fair.

[@tevura3943]

All this drama because the rogue called the priest and druid back, got them both killed, and did absolutely nothing to help. Then blames the mage, who actually used Blizzard to help the group get out. The world is filling up with people who would be too stupid to breath if it weren't an automated bodily process.

[@pxkdrake]

He didn't do anything to help the group out, nice gaslighting bro

[@ShimrraJamaane]

@@pxkdrakehe used blizzard...

[@bighammer624]

shit bro.. i thought you was Garrosh.. but maybe you Sylvannis!!! lol... Anyways my 2 cents is Pirate was fkn done with the group... After they already fkd run 1 another fail was frustrating so he just dipped. Also everyone keeps saying that he boffed the blizzards but he applyed the slow and ran... He was on the gtfo page.. as everyone else should have been as well. Sub +1 💪😎👌

[@angelobronte6029]

T1 and Miz being the reasonable people in this drama is absolutely hilarious. I love this timeline.

[@erickrobson60]

The reason why he stopped the blizzard was because he got the slow applied … and he could have taken boss aggro that would have 1 shot him. This whole thing is stupid. 1) “RUN RUN RUN” - pirate ran and if everyone else followed the order . Would have been fine. 2) same guy that called RUN RUN RUN “this is salvageable” half way to the portal. - which made the healer die and the silly Druid pull a fourth pack (first pack actual pull, 2nd accidental, 3rd the boss , and fourth on the way to the portal via dum dum Druid). And healer dies from aggro pull because everyone thinking something salvageable that actually isn’t. 3) the rogue calling shit with one foot out the door while just doing absolutely nothing . If shit went down he’s out just as hard as pirate . And if the 3 struggling to win begin to win the salvage , rogue would swoop in thinking he the smart god caller . The rogue is absolute shit leader. Well there we go .