LIVE STREAM - Overrated Watches w/ NICO LEONARD

[@NicoLeonard]

Thank you for having me guys! The Passion was real, from all angles! Keep making the watch world a better place, it’s been an honour!

[@Jack.Napier]

What happened to the giveaway prize that I won on your 28 Aug 2022 Livestream? I'm still waiting for it to arrive. Thank god that livestream is still available and my comment on the screen and all your lies and false promises are also recorded in that video. Actually Mr. George Bamford chose me as the winner in that livestream. Andrew Morgan was there too. How many times did I remind you and your friend at P&P about this matter? Everytime you said Oh I'm sorry, I will take care of it tomorrow! What happened when I posted this matter on Reddit? You sent your online goons to threaten me to take down my post! Do you know how many people sent me msgs and screenshots with the same exact story as mine? One of them once flew from Poland to UK just to meet you in person for 5 minutes! and even he was fed up with your lies, he told me that you promised to send him a Casio F91 and he never ever received anything and when he reminded you after a year! you blocked him on Insta!!! He said I can't forget myself for being so dumb to be a fan of this liar. No Nico, you can't make the watch world a better place, you're ruining it. PS. Shove that tshirt up your @$$, I don't want it anymore, just wanted to remind you how cheap you are 🤮

[@BarkandJack]

Pleasure having you on, especially taking time out from your holiday. 🤙🏻

[@bamfordwatchdepartment3470]

You Rockstar🤘

[@69fastfurious]

Congratulations spooling papa 😇! Next live no iPhones allowed and please check for some msgs “you have a 🎁 “ Mr Barker there’s scammers” saying congratulations and asking for money 💰! Scammers should be straight up kick out from this cool channel! All the best for all you guys ! 💯🤙

[@WestCoastAce27]

Next time have a pro mic. Was tough hearing your opinions. Great job - always respect the passion with humor!

[@incantations.]

I like seeing the watch community being a community. I enjoy hearing diverse perspectives and folks respectfully debating their point of view. It’s one of the very reasons I enjoy y’all. You can’t have a community if you don’t have communication.

[@chuaism]

Well done. We all benefit from bringing alternate opinions to challenge our beliefs and passions…this was great debate.

[@naths4571]

The colab we have all been waiting for 🙌🏻

[@simonhalkyard4427]

Great debate guys and that’s what we need! People properly debating and Nico And Andrew going at it was awesome!!!!!

[@matthewmckenney7230]

This therapy session went nuclear! The 5 of you are too much to contain! Thank you for all that you are doing!

[@AboutEffingTime]

🤦🏼‍♂️ 💥

[@MrAumbra]

Great debate. Love it. Oh, and the new direction with nudity was epic! Lol

[@nickhart958]

Fan bloody tastic, and well mediated Mr B. Loved it

[@CaptainSnappy]

Greetings from British Columbia, Canada! Love the show!

[@ericl755]

guys.. Nico has nothing to do with you!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Fair play - but Andrew singles him out for hating on Hublot - so only fair to give the man a chance to reply

[@FRST2012]

Marketing, marketing, marketing. Rolex has been king of this for decades, hence why it’s where it is now. Where does Omega keep going? the Speedmaster, the MoonXSwatch etc. As much as I hate to say it, if these Brands don’t continue to evolve, they may miss the boat. Maybe based on the latest marketing, Hublot will be the next big thing?

[@spencercook3220]

Good therapy session! Was fun to hear Nicos' thoughts and brings up some good points. People are always hating on guests. The main guys are the best I agree! but these guys are building a community, and a good community includes all. Well done, Aet!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Thanks Spencer, and don’t worry, we’re a trio for life 🤘🏻

[@SlM0NR]

This is awesome!!!! Do another show for 2023 predictions that would be gold

[@gynechiatrist]

Nicko fits in this group like a terd in punchbowl. It is not contributory it is disruptive. Pleaaaaaase get him back to Dubai.

[@CleverSmart123]

Funny that Nico finds Hublot ostentatious while wearing and liking Richard Mille.

[@The_Watch_Preppy]

No better way to start the weekend then with this banger of a therapy sesh😂

[@AboutEffingTime]

Content warning 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@999bcc66]

Thanks guys for making me spit my gin and tonic out !! Never expected that !! To clarify my point on Hublots marketing, if you're going for glam and that's fine, that's how some people will perceive your brand and not take you as serious as maybe it should be. And at the end of the day, it's what's on your wrist that makes you happy. " not this fucking guy" made my week !!!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Great convo starter

[@adam_kano]

The class comment from Andrew was definitely valid. Regardless of how much money is in those sports now or if some rich people watch it. Historically the majority of fans and grass roots of the sports are from working class backgrounds

[@seikochristopherward9908]

This was great. Also the amount of publicity y'all give Hublot is astounding lmao

[@AboutEffingTime]

They’re loving it I bet

[@alistairward6607]

Damn we need a therapy session for that therapy session. 5 certainly not a crowd loved it!!

[@AboutEffingTime]

We feel the same 😮‍💨

[@MrBev19]

I love Nico’s hate for Hublot. So much fun listening to this debate. Great episode. Adrian, can’t wait to hear more about that Grand Seiko. To bad spring drive is just quartz….. haha.

[@jpg6482]

George instantly regrets having someone on the channel who feels the truth about tag blurh

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Guys to help focus put your hand behind the watch so that the target is larger

[@BarkandJack]

Great point. I’ll try to remember that.

[@d.stiefel869]

George was trying to talk up that watch on his wrist so much and everyone was silently saying to themselves…”What a Shitter!” Haha 😂

[@mbrum3230]

My underrated...omega globemaster

[@ozmondos]

This was a great episode, everyone was so passionate! I'm with Nico on Hublot but I don't get how can someone dislike Hublot so much but appreciate Richard Mille. Hublot's spirit of big bang line look so much like RMs. Sure, RM uses more exotic materials and has more innovative movements but they also cost 10 times more. I think it was Adrian that brought up Sinn, they released some new U50 models and the one with gold-bronze bezel looks so amazingly cool! Finally, 2 watches that I think are criminally underrated are Andersen Geneve world timers and Louis Erard regulator watches.

[@sketchmonger]

Nico!!! I have many questions about the collaboration Casio's . And their high end G-Shocks... Like the models that are over a Grand...

[@WatchUnwind]

George has talked about tag heuer the last few months more than the entire Industry has talked about them for the past few years

[@yojimbo21]

The Phantom was my favourite as a kid. Just another reason to watch the channel.

[@69fastfurious]

What do you guys think about a expensive watch that calibre doesn’t have hacking seconds hand and costs thousands?

[@timemanagementnc2979]

Enjoyed the stream. When watching my first thought was this would trigger O’Malley, and how long before he would react. Not long it turns out.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Who’s O’Malley??

[@kbarnbrook4993]

​@AboutEffingTime I think he was referring to the guy who offered ten dollars, and made a remark about having a criminal on your pod cast, an old arguing between the two, and a watch payment.

[@fire_watch7735]

C'mon Guys, I don't mind Nico's but his takes sounded like someone trying to sound intelligent by having a contrarian viewpoint with next to zero substance. Your show is above that and hopefully, the guests on your next episodes will be a bit more suited for your show. Cheers

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Adrian that was so cool when you mentioned me with regards to the CW Sandhurst being as good as the Tudor Ranger at 1/3 the price. Another very good comparison is the Cw C63 and the BB36. I currently own the BB36 and it honestly isn’t as nice as the C3. The C63 has a nicer case, better dial, better bracelet and even has a colour matched date at 6 O’clock

[@WestCoastAce27]

CW is really knocking out great watches. Def no my radar now that the logo chg is complete.

[@kbarnbrook4993]

I think he was actually referring to the time Tudor used ETAs.

[@Draknareth]

I agree about the comments regarding heritage, for me the important thing is the quality of the current products. A quality product is a solid meal, heritage just adds gravy.

[@domc143]

The Lange flex was so dope

[@paulgrady4183]

The Breguet type xxi 3817 is absolutely stunning.

[@audioexplorer3481]

This got pretty heated with some truly tense moments which shows how passionate they all are about wrist watches.

[@AboutEffingTime]

🥊

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Nico what the Eff, you are awesome my friend!

[@lammargy]

"Andrew has been dreaming of this moment..." L O L !

[@valebliz]

I guess Nico is popular because he’s loud, you notice him whether you like him or not, and as the same time he’s knowledgeable even with his weird viewpoints. I don’t like him and find him shallow and overbearing, but I can see why he became a pop personality. I don’t think we need him here though.

[@joev6049]

Came to hear some new watches being added to the list but just got a fight about Hublot 🤣

[@69fastfurious]

That’s Nico drive he takes to Amsterdam Red Light District GOD TIER 😂😅

[@DataKitsune]

There should be a swear jar, with proceeds going to the Hublot owners support group

[@peakrider4886]

Andrew knows the truth about Nico and Hublot. Credit to him, he’s almost single handedly saved the brand.

[@jameslloyd-wyatt]

If Nico doesn't believe that a brand's history is that important, can he not eventually come to love Hublot by taking that belief seriously and ignoring their past? If Hublot improve their finishing and rework their pricing to be more aligned, add some form of complication/innovation and then all of his qualms would be gone. The question then is if he could gracefully revise that very strong opinion that almost forms a part of his identity and popularity.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Good questions here

[@WestCoastAce27]

Deep down I think much of all the Watch World’s scorn for Hublot is the loud, new money, d-bag factor. And RM - and even Rolex - have plenty of that. Andrew’s pt about materials/innovation are untouchable. It’s fact. Yeah, should have upped their movements sooner.

[@kbarnbrook4993]

Innovation in the past is one thing, but overpriced watches with crap movements is a different kettle of fish, and even Adrian pointed out you can't sit on past Innovation, and base your present day watches on that, not when you are producing fashion brand watches.

[@dpz0930]

You say that Rolex don’t know their customers and they’ll be dead in 20 years, but at the same time their watches have multi-year waitlists. And Adrian said nobody is passionate about Rolex… has he seen his own videos about the Explorer 1 and 2? And the watch Nico had engraved for his son is a Rolex OP. They must be doing something right. Love you guys and the show!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Valid valid valid

[@WestCoastAce27]

Agree that Nico is speaking too much about his - apparently younger - clientele. If they all lost interest in Rolex tomorrow, Rolex would still have plenty of 40 yr and older buyers to buy every piece - wait times would get a little shorter. He also fails to understand that his current 25 yr old clients will be 45 in 20 yrs; might be done wearing flash watches and putting diamonds on everything.

[@emphasis20]

I would have loved to hear your opinions on the state and future of Bremont.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Next time

[@WATCHingJames]

Wow. That was bit intense.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Yup

[@JG-ib7xk]

The PewDiePie of the watch world. Just loud and shouty and all the children love him

[@garyv1483]

Great having Nico on, could not disagree more with all of his takes lol.

[@Jamesah1975]

That was good, very good!

[@TheSandipDev]

I think we need to rate watch brands and watches across multiple metrics. Most watch aficionados only look at two/three dimensions - heritage, watchmaking (movement) and secondary market value. But there are other dimensions too like design (Longines, Nomos), Coolness factor (AP Royal Oak, Hublot, RM). If you showed a Tudor to a non watch person, they are quite likely going to hate it. My friends and family (except my wife) don't understand why I picked up a Railmaster and they will be just as flabbergasted when I pick up a Seamaster 300 Master Coaxial next. Hublot and RM are very modern design and are looking to what watches could be in the future. Longines has fantastic heritage and a back catalog of great design and yet it doesn't get enough respect because the movements aren't in-house. Personally, I don't much care about in house movement. I will take a good looking watch (modern or heritage) over a in-house movement. And if mechanical watches became more popular, most people would too

[@AboutEffingTime]

Good chat 👌🏻

[@raymondho4821]

Hi all !!! Watching from hong kong while having breakfast before work !!! Happy friday everyone !!!

[@Jack.Napier]

Nico's gained his popularity for his nonstop rants and hating on Hublot and using profanity every two seconds. It's been more than 2 years that he's been saying the same thing over and over, I don't know why you guys bring him here?! You have a watch podcast, one of the best podcasts no matter the topic is AET right now, you don't need clout! You're not some random watch flippers looking for exposure by any means possible. Please keep the channel and discussions mature and about watches, you are not making REACTION VIDEOS.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Same as comment prévious - Andrew bagged him out on the show, only fair to give him a right of reply

[@sasanachmor]

On heritage, Napoleon said, "I am an ancestor." If I keep my watch in good condition for 40 years, it will have heritage. I don't need to buy it pre-heritaged.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Nicely said

[@sasanachmor]

@@AboutEffingTime It's even better in French! 😉

[@AndrewP957]

Only just got into the channel but have been enjoying it a lot. Just a few thoughts and of course, I could be wrong, but here goes: - I think it works best with Adrian leading it as this seems to diffuse the competition for talking between George and Andrew - I’m not crazy about the producer/editor being in the videos as already a lot of voices - The Top Gear thing is possibly a bit overdone. The good part is the chemistry but having a version of the Stig is a bit much. - I’ve watched the videos out of sequence so maybe this is less of an issue now but it’s quite annoying when Andrew goes on and on without letting the other guys talk Anyway, all good stuff and looking forward to seeing how this shapes up

[@StuBaileyPhoto]

Would Tag Heuer have had to pay something to Nintendo to have the rights to use Super Mario on their watch? Could that justify the crazy price increase? Or was it a total partnership between the two?

[@spa2damax]

licenced i imagine

[@AboutEffingTime]

Definitely a licensing situation

[@garyv1483]

They’re also tapping into a previously untapped market. There are now professional gamers making MILLIONS a year on their sport. I’m sure a few will be sporting the MK tourbillon, and there’s also a lower tier MK Tag that some fans might be attracted to. It seems like an ingenious marketing strategy.

[@stuberberich2518]

This was the most authentic watch debate I’ve ever seen. Speaking of Hublot. Andrew is spot on and Nico confirmed it. Was this a legit “therapy session”? Fantastic producer again by Marcus, again! -Chicago, IL

[@AboutEffingTime]

Stu thank god you’re here

[@barryvercueil2346]

LEGENDARY!!!!!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Iconic

[@brianmason744]

Great show fellas damn!!!thick butter cutting here

[@AboutEffingTime]

🔪

[@yojimbo21]

Teaches me a lesson for thinking there’s nothing new mid week…

[@AboutEffingTime]

Haha keep ‘em guessing

[@gowthamb7271]

Andrew has to be the biggest Hublot fan ever😅and he has destroyed Nico 😂He has actually raised my expectations and interest in Hublot! Kudos!

[@kbarnbrook4993]

No he didn't actually, Nico asked Andrew if he had ever seen inside of a Hublot big bang, clearly he hadn't whereas Nico clearly has, obviously Nico's argument about cheap movements as spot on, or the fact that Hublot cover up a movement, that for the price should be decorated.

[@Dom_Tosco]

Adrian: I believe the Aqua Terra is priced higher than the 300M because of its 8900 movement in the 41mm.

[@radimbrokes766]

Sydney is disappointed…….why would you give Nico air ????

[@AboutEffingTime]

Uh because we bashed him on the last ep - he gets a right of reply

[@FRST2012]

Going to an earlier point in discussing movements, it’s a difficult one, you can buy a £800 high quality stainless steel watch with a Sellita 200-1, but you can also pay £2700 for the same movement in another brand with more history/heritage. Maybe that will get lost on the next generation. Obviously things will alway change, when looking at music digital/vinyl if history/heritage was stronger we would still be playing vinyl on turntables, but kids have zero interest in it. Maybe this is where Tag Heuer isn’t so silly? The latest generation ‘want’ smart watches/fit bits etc. Tag at least is dipping it’s toe into that arena.

[@spa2damax]

im 27 and play a lot of records on my 1210s lol. still I get what you're saying.

[@Woody76ers]

Can't afford the Richard Mille but was rocking the yellow G-shock casioak

[@watchdulum]

Great therapy guys! Nice and honest debate. But didnt agree with Nico when he said LVMH are all trash. Actually LVMH produces some great watches and so many models are an awesome timepiece. Just because he doesnt like Hublot he cant judge the whole group like that!

[@brendanirwin]

Brilliantly put together gents. Nico is a natural addition to any talking shit about watches session.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Proper trash talk

[@korsal4133]

I can't believe you had that guy on,

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Holy shit it’s Nico the myth the legend

[@berniecostello5898]

The vintage Heuer watches are fantastic-Camara is on my wishlist. The current Tag Heuers I would place as rated but bordering on over rated. The Monaco is a top 10 classic. Love the show gents.

[@berniecostello5898]

*Camaro.

[@WatchUnwind]

Few gems with tag heuer. I just picked up a vintage tag night diver.

[@WestCoastAce27]

Agree. I’ll look at a piece then the price. Just don’t see the value in any of the Tag Heuers. Ditto Breitling and Sinn.

[@hkkyau]

Love the honest opinions boys. Nico's right that George and Andrew being associated to the LVMH group doesn't let them give 100% transparent opinions about them, but they're far, FAR from being sunshine and rainbows about their brands. Nico's definitely CHOOSING not to acknowledge anything Hublot does, even if they're far from being the pure fashion and meaningless brand he makes it out to be. They've evolved far from the ripoff watch Nico always brings up, but they definitely shouldn't be compared with the greatest watch brands. They do offer products that other brands can't (i.e. full sapphire case and bracelet watch). Nico talked about the full sapphire case RM like it was the most incredible innovation ever. He should give Hublot some props, but he still doesn't need to like them. Call a spade a spade, then slag them off for whatever reason you have to not like them still.

[@AboutEffingTime]

🙌

[@Nazular]

Agree with everything. Could you however elaborate on George and Andrews connection to LVMH?

[@spa2damax]

@@Nazular collaborations with verious watch brands all owned by LVMH. It's a bit lazy to throw them all in the same category but there might be something to it that I'm unaware of

[@Zog-RhA41]

I found bizarre George and Andrew just took the hit when Nico called them out on the LVMH...

[@delta_gt8735]

Nico appreciates brands that bring value from a watch makers perspective, adding ceramic to a fashion watch means nothing to him, and that's fair enough. You give credit to Hublot like they revolutioned how watches are made in today's world which is utter non sense.

[@RomyAbbey]

Legends

[@CleverSmart123]

Agree with Andrew that Rolex is boring and very conservative in what they do. Especially in their Marketing.

[@SuperWhofan1]

What Grand Seiko did Adrian just buy?

[@bigbearddahuzi1036]

Had to be a 9f

[@JB-fk7ed]

Another awesome episode. Nico was a great guest.

[@erdemcuhadar9252]

I don t necessarily agree with Rolex dying in 20 years, being the biggest real estate owner of Switzerland. Maybe the financial aspect of the future of these brands would be a killer topic next time. Love you gang! You make our day!

[@AboutEffingTime]

😘

[@kbarnbrook4993]

Rolex a $10.7 billion brand, that refuse to innovate.

[@seikochristopherward9908]

We need more

[@joev6049]

Omega needs to get involved with F1 and sponsor the Aston Martin team

[@d.cheeta6429]

Love you guys but Nico ruins the dynamic. Let him stay on his own channel where he can dominate 100% of the dialogue like he’s done here, and let us continue to enjoy the balanced, mutually respectful discourse between the real members of AET. I know mine is the minority opinion, but just being honest. Looking forward to next week’s episode and getting back to the original recipe.

[@AboutEffingTime]

🍗

[@DDTNZ]

@@AboutEffingTime what does that mean?

[@MrRedmania]

anyone else been on Lange's website staring at the spacing?

[@rayray..3349]

Had Huge Respect for this Show. Not anymore..! Unsubscribed because of the BULLY ye brought on.

[@spa2damax]

Expand!

[@ScoobieDoobie197474]

A guy with an honest opinion? Your absence won’t be missed

[@davidstephens106]

Interesting comment that a watch is something you don’t need that is expensive. It’s tue. But that strangely is it’s commercial opportunity. Selling aspiration. It’s endless opportunity from buying respected heritage to modern avant garde. Or rather selling both repeatedly. I own 20 watches compared to one 10 years ago, and I really can’t answer why.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Neither can we - bloody addictive things they are

[@JizzyNinja]

Ah Nico killing me on LUC Chopard - the quality you get for them used is unreal. LUC Sports for under $5k all day are incredible, high horological pieces.

[@macmac8122]

How can you invite this person? Don't you know what happened to O'Malley?

[@sebastien6483]

I'm going to end up buying a Hublot because of Nico

[@AboutEffingTime]

✊🏼

[@sergepacchiana4442]

In the train heading home to Zürich. Sporting BB Heritage

[@BtcJJ]

God guys, you invite Nico on the stream and then not let him speak. What the hell guys!

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

YEMA has a couple cool digital watches, I actually did a review on mine

[@irawolf]

Eff me!! I forgot about the Thursday session this week. And I missed Nico!!!! Arghhh!!!

[@astorbeijer9424]

Absolutely the BEST therapy session so far. Nico is a great counter balance to Crocodile Tide. If those two were ever having drinks together, I'm sure it would end in a knife fight followed by hugs.

[@AboutEffingTime]

🐊 💥

[@whodeycinbengals]

Yeah Tag just makes so many unappealing watches, the Mario kart included

[@daniellaw6033]

Fucking awesome ty guys!!

[@AKdsad100]

I want to criticise your marketing department! Why the hell Nico's name is not in the title to promote the title! It is an amazing content and has only 19k views? Keep the good work lads!

[@WestCoastAce27]

Nico has a solid point about Hublot going way too long (at those prices) with average movements. But there’s a lot more to a watch and that’s where Andrew’s materials/innovation arguments really shine. Plus - anyone being honest will admit some (most?) of their issue is the loud new money d-bag factor that is a sizable % of Hublot owners. By that metric - Rolex is in bad shape too… you all know it’s true; plenty of idiots wearing the Crown. PS - found George’s IWC shirt on eBay… on the way!

[@kbarnbrook4993]

Adrian already made the argument that brands shouldn't sit on the fact that they have had past innovations, but produce absolute crap in today's current market, who cares about past innovation if you push cheap money in overpriced watches, you ain't buying the past.

[@m.e.p.r]

Rolex being "f**ked" and over taken in 20yrs but the likes of Hublot is naive at best. I'm not a Rolex fan boy, but the perspective offered on this episode comes mostly from the perspective of the "watch community", which when you dig into it, makes up less than 1% of all watches sold globally.

[@AboutEffingTime]

True that - but it influences a much higher percent because it’s so visible

[@m.e.p.r]

@@AboutEffingTime I agree, that's exactly what I'm pointing towards. If Rolex fails, I think the watch world in general probably fails with it. Great show as always, love the passionate debate, it's the show that always gets me into the comments! 😂

[@WestCoastAce27]

Agree. Also from watching Nico he’s passing on his clients’ views - who are very young. Plenty of over 40 men to buy every Rolex sports watch many times over for the foreseeable future. And in 20 yrs his clients may be happy with a GMT Master 8 (LOL!), not laden with low grade aftermarket diamonds.

[@paulgrady4183]

I love the IWC Yacht master 😘👌

[@69fastfurious]

Whooo that’s huge can you see F1 live 😉 it looks big from Live 😳

[@deconstructedluxury1964]

Nico finally broke the brand endorsements and well mannered respect for the paymasters by talking objectively in his unique way. This was by far the most enjoyable episode for me as it broke the mutual and endless - affiliated brand praising

[@AboutEffingTime]

If our connections to the industry make our points invalid then jog on to all the others that don’t have them 🤙🏻

[@dctrv3l3r78]

Was excited… Nico… nope… moving on… will remain gentlemanly

[@AboutEffingTime]

See you next sesh

[@garyv1483]

Nico is quick to say LVMH are just fashion watches and thus not worth their price. Then he talks about how a wave of new rich are going to kill the old stalwarts in the industry because they’re not being innovative enough. Innovation isn’t just new complications, aesthetics are becoming more and more important and that’s an area LVMH actually do stand above the rest. “Fashion” companies know aesthetics and aesthetics mean more to the new wave of luxury watch buyers.