ABS-GF vs ASA-GF by Siraya Tech: Which Filament Performs Better?

[@MyTechFun]

Error log: In spreadsheet say ABS-CF and ASA-CF. Typo error. It should be ABS-GF and ASA-GF.

[@RussianThunderrr]

-- Thank you, Dr. Igor for a review. One more question - ASA also called "odorless" ABS, is that true that it smelled less? P.S. On a Qidi website I looked at TDS(Technical Data Sheet in PDF) - and beside printing temperature it showed that some materials are have to be "cured" in 80-100 degrees temperature for 6-8 hours to improve strength of final product. Do you have an active heating chamber in your 3D printer to test it out?

[@MyTechFun]

@RussianThunderrr maybe it's drying.

[@RussianThunderrr]

@@MyTechFun -- It is defiantly not drying. That process called "annealing" and it is usually used to relief internal stress in metals after part been formed, so same process here - glass or carbon fiber acts as a frame, and the plastic is used to bond that frame together. Not all plastics in TDS are recommended to anneal after printing, but most of the composite plastics are recommended to post print "stress relief"(aka annealing), so it is a separate process to drying filament before printing, which is recommended almost on all filaments.

[@01chaley]

I am excited for the next video with the pet and paht core!

[@MyTechFun]

PET-CF in 5 days. PAHT regular and Core is on the way. I have only PAHT-CF only so far.

[@802Garage]

I have the Siraya Tech 85A TPU and it's awesome! Was planning to get their ASA-GF sometime soon. Seem like solid materials, but ASA with fiber fill in general seems to have layer adhesion issues, not just from this company. PET-CF is a very impressive filament so I look forward to those tests!

[@Javii96]

Their PET-CF has been awesome for me I love that stuff

[@chris993361]

I came here to say the same thing. I have their 85a and I love it!

[@Liberty4Ever]

I ordered some Siraya Tech 85A TPU and the initial prints were excellent. 85A seems to be the sweet spot for low durometer impact absorption versus printability. The Siraya Tech TPU was a matte black and looks much better than the Chinese supplied 95A TPU we're currently using for our products. I should have a new printer in production this week so I can hopefully convert the products to Siraya TPU.

[@802Garage]

@@Liberty4Ever Hey again! I got the transparent and it's amazing how clear it is.

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@802Garage - I like the black aesthetic but transparent 3D prints are usually stronger. I should probably test that for my products to optimize performance and customer acceptance based on appearance.

[@Liberty4Ever]

I was very happy to see Siraya Tech making filament for FDM printers. I've used their resins almost exclusively for MSLA printing with very good results. I make functional parts so I'm very interested in material properties and this video not only did some good testing, it also provided the data in very clear graphs that are easy to read. I particularly liked the overlaid images showing the test parts with layer orientation and applied forces. Our business has converted all but one product to 3D printing. We print almost entirely TPU so I was eager to test the TPU from Siraya Tech. I didn't qualify it for production but was impressed with the quality of the filament (not a surprise given that it's Siraya Tech) and the nice matte black finish that looks much better than the shinier black from the 95A TPU we've been getting from China. Our Chinese supplier has been slipping in quality, with occasional lower diameter filament that causes clogs and some light colored flecks of contaminates that could cause clogs but have mainly been a problem with visual defects in the printed parts. We just invested in new machines to print TPU so I delayed the Siraya Tech TPU qualifications until the new printers are in production this week. There is no point in qualifying the new material on the old machines. After that, I'll be developing a new line of products. Some need a stiff springy material for thin walled compliant parts and some need high compression strength with TPU ends for impact resistance. I hope to use PETG or PET-CF for the compliant parts and for the structural portion of the compressive parts with TPU printed in place on the part using a separate extruder, so I'm looking forward to your future Siraya Tech videos. I subscribed. I contacted Siraya Tech a couple of years ago to inquire about ordering resin directly from them but they weren't interested in large orders and told me to purchase through their established retail distribution network. Hopefully they will now be willing to sell filament directly with quantity discounts to manufacturers.

[@chevrofreak]

Siraya Tech commented on a Hoffman Tactical video recently that their PET-CF was designed for us 2A printers, so I bought some to try and I have been incredibly impressed. I look forward to your testing.

[@NuggetsInclusive]

i would love to see your test of Siraya pet-cf vs bambus pet-cf!

[@MyTechFun]

Step-by-step. There will be 2 more PET-CF reviews. Then 4-5 brands in one video. That will be fun..

[@riba2233]

@@MyTechFun yaaay 😁

[@NuggetsInclusive]

@@MyTechFun ❤️❤️❤️

[@MisterDeets]

I use the Siraya Tech PET-CF a lot and I really like that filament. It prints kinda "wooly" though, so it is very grippy and abrasive stuff, but I really do like it thus far.

[@davidconner-shover51]

I picked up a spool of Siraya ABS-GF last summer, I started printing it 3 weeks ago, this is now my go to filament for structural. even at full price, it costs 30% less to run, with thinner walls and lower infill for the same strength. One note. from my experience printing glass like clear petg prints, .1mm layers at a slow speed (

[@davidconner-shover51]

in addition, I have almost no issues printing this stuff on an open bed slinger, unlike regular ABS. Hardened nozzles are a must. my prints ring like a bell

[@warmesuppe]

What do you mean with "glass like clear petg"? Is this sentence about petg or about the mentioned abs gf?

[@EricLS]

@@warmesuppe​​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠I read that as “printing glass filaments is like printing clear PETG, .1 mm layers and slow print speeds” Which, I have some clear PCTG and want to try that as my benchy warped off the bed with gluestick…

[@davidconner-shover51]

@@warmesuppe Printing slowly with thin layers allows remelt of the layer below, creating better layer adhesion, with -GF, this also allows some of those glass fibers to also bind into the fresh remelt into the layer below

[@warmesuppe]

@@davidconner-shover51 Thanks for the clarification! Interesting thought!

[@gcardinal]

From my experience ASA is best when its pure. I printed about 100kg+ of BASF ASA for a technical light fixture part for a client. And it performed better then ABS, very strong, very stable. But it has to be printed in an enclosed printer for best layer adhesion. All variants of ASA I have tried with any additives performed worse or not better then pure ASA. Also its better when printed a bit slower then ASB, since it has a bit slower chemical reaction time then ASB which is very reactive.

[@ElderMillennialStuff]

at 6:13 the labels in the spreadsheet say CF not GF, just a typo? Was I not following along well enough?

[@MyTechFun]

Oh. typo. Stupid mistake. Hm. Should I reupload the video.. (?)

[@ElderMillennialStuff]

@@MyTechFun it's a good video, I wouldn't prioritize updating it over doing anything important but if you were going to sit around in your underwear watching tv today, might be worth an edit

[@berlinberlin4246]

​@@MyTechFun I think a correction in the description/ or pind comment is a good way

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@MyTechFun - I wish KZbin still allowed video annotations. which were great for making corrections after a video has uploaded and people have had a discussion under the video that would be deleted if a new video is uploaded.

[@josephmyers6947]

I use lots of the ASA-CF for minibike parts, battery enclosures, control panels. Love it. Easy to print, low warp, strong, great texture. Now the PPA-CF is like from another planet… it is unbreakable… and has a very rigid - almost metallic ring to it. Takes a little more dialing in to print well, but crazy impressive.

[@HoustonAreaHomesRealtor]

Love the content, but what I want to see Is PPA-CF vs. PPS-CF vs Z Polymers Tullomer. The Z Polymers is advertise as being a replacement for aluminum, steel, magnesium, PEEK, PEKK, PAEK, ULTEM, Nylon CF But it's printable on the QIDI with the 350C and 370C but can also be printed on the bamboo labs with the enclosed chambers but with less strength.

[@grott3n0lm]

I also watched the video about the PET-CF. Can't wait to see the results of PAHT-CF! The PET-CF even compares quite good to PA-CF filaments in the spreadsheet. I planned to try PA6 Low Warp CF15S from Spectrum, as i need to order there in the nearer future because of an other speciality filament. It seems to have a good balance between rigidity an price. And also the fabrication in europe is a selling point. But after having seen the PET-CF results i strongly consider buying it and maybe also the PAHT-CF.

[@romainmuller-rs5yi]

Nice video as Always ! I would love to see a comparison video of path-cf between bambulab and Qidi!

[@MyTechFun]

There will be. First a separate review video for each. Then comparison between them in one video (same for PET-CF)

[@romainmuller-rs5yi]

@MyTechFun Great! Can't wait for the results !

[@olafmarzocchi6194]

Nice how I'm watching a video, one of your videos pops up in the right column, and I immediately switch.

[@3DThird]

Incredible work my friend. I have a couple of rolls of Qidi ABS-GF25, and they extrude the GF inside the strand of filament. Can you kindly compare it with regularly extrudered ABS-GF?

[@MyTechFun]

Soon I will test Siraya Core. Maybe later Qidi too.. (but first PET-CF and PPS-CF by Qidi). These are here.

[@kerwalker4246]

One thing I would like to see is the difference with the ABS GF is the comparison with 10% - 25% GF variants. Would be good to understand if more glass fibres equals more brittle or does it improve the strength. Or is it all just marketing? Some manufacturers don’t specify but some do and charge around 50% more for the 25% GF.

[@23071976ful]

Very interesting and useful information. It would be good to add Shore D hardness to the testing. For an accurate test with a durometer, you need to print samples on a clutch coating and use this lower smooth surface for testing. Hardness is an interesting parameter. For example, wear resistance and scratch resistance of the surface depend on it.

[@MyTechFun]

OK, I can test it in next videos. But just a small reminder, this is correct in mechanical engineering (for metals). But my experience that wear resistancy and hardness is not always in correlation. In my wearing test the TPU is the most wear resistant material, but it has smaller hardness from ABS, PC.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJiQd5Z5p7ulkLssi=S7kMHECiF668Gr0E

[@Dramaican88]

I am very interested in the core (co-extrusion -> fibers dense inner and outer polymer sleeve) versions of their filament. So far I think only PAHT CF and ABS CF are in regular and core versions, but sadly I see that the filaments are only available in the USA (via amazon and Siraya).

[@MyTechFun]

Yes, I also bought them on Amazon.com (Siraya will refund me). In EU warehouses they will be available later.

[@steunsoul]

Thanks for the review, interesting. I am still selecting the materials for my next printer, a Bambu or a QIDI plus 4. My selection so far. pla Matt or Petg for simple models or test, for tech parts: tpu, abs and abs-gf (core version by QIDI) pet-cf and/or path-cf. I am looking forward for the pet-cf and path-cf test especially the core types.

[@tronnguyen1481]

Also would be interested to see tests against other PET-CF brands. There own heat deflection specification is 78C so your results are an outlier. Is this a property of all PET-CF or just Sirayatech?

[@tinkeringpoko]

Is engineering plate with glue that popular? I would guess more people would run lower maintenance option such as textured PEI, almost never use glue. More often than not I need to adjust Z offset to make it squish more closely onto the plate though.

[@MyTechFun]

I don't care is it popular or not, but for me works every single time (with tech filaments). For PLA, PETG, TPU I use textured PEI without glue.

[@tinkeringpoko]

​@@MyTechFunI thought it was the community preference. Any reason to not use textured PEI for tech filaments? Yes engineering plate with hair spray works for me too, it's just higher maintenance and I'm lazy😂

[@Liberty4Ever]

I'm using 3D printing for small scale manufacturing so I spend more time optimizing for manufacturing, and that definitely includes the correct print surface, bed temperature and part orientation so I don't need to use messy and time consuming glue or hairspray. However, when someone on KZbin prints a bed full of test parts, I don't care if they use glue stick because testing the parts is what counts.

[@tinkeringpoko]

@@Liberty4Ever Sure, makes sense. Maybe I'm just pointlessly being curious 🧐.

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@tinkeringpoko - I'm often "pointlessly curious". 😀

[@riba2233]

awesome, can't wait for that pet-cf :)

[@aregaminghd]

i am VERY curious if you would ever get a chance to test atomic filament ABS? if you can't get your hands on a roll, can i send you one? it is the highest quality ABS filament i have ever used and i am extraordinarily curious to see the mechanical differences compared to other ABS brands.

[@MyTechFun]

Soon I will have comparison of several black ABS filaments. I could include it, but the problem is that it is US based filament and I am in EU. Companies don't ship to EU.

[@IanBradbury]

I am surprised the ASA was not a little stronger, more brittle yes, but I thought it would be slightly stronger. I wonder if with better laer adhesion the result could be different.

[@DonnyDonnMendoza]

Great video.

[@tinkeringpoko]

210?! Include your annealing procedure please!

[@ChannelRejss]

Why is KZbin playing the video with an auto-generated audio track translated to German? Horrible. Same for the description which I can't even change to original language. Seriously there's no way to see the original description at all on my end. It's nice to have more accessibility features but let us choose them ourselves please.

[@riba2233]

Doesn't happen for me, weird. Can you change the audio track?

[@ChannelRejss]

​@@riba2233Audio track, yes. But no way to read the original English description. Apparently this language synchronization is enabled by the uploader. I am located in Germany so I guess KZbin then decides to auto switch to German, even for the audio.

[@letoxique]

@@ChannelRejss same here. Just a few seconds into the video and i thought "wtf is this voice?!?!". But also saw a video from AlexiBexi a few days ago where he explained that YT seems to enable this feature automatically for some creators, so it needs to be disabled manually. Which i would highly recommend to Igor, as those auto translated voice tracks sound really horrible. But at least i had a good laugh at "Filamente aus Syrien" :D

[@ChannelRejss]

​@@letoxiqueHahaha, yeah. That voice also doesn't fit at all!

[@EricLS]

I’m guessing you just got to the video super early

[@ddegn]

I'm guessing ABS-GF is stronger than ASA-GF. I want the ASA-GF to win so this way if I lose, at least I can be right while I lose.

[@ddegn]

I was right. Darn it. I think the main reason I like ASA over ABS is the fumes ABS gives off. I suppose proper ventilation would solve the problem. I didn't hear the words *"My Tech Fun"* in this video. I hope you're still having fun. Thanks for sharing your work with us.

[@onur.oezdemir]

The automatic translation is odd. It tells me that the filament is from "Syria" lol

[@MyTechFun]

Wow, they are experimenting with it. To what language? German?

[@onur.oezdemir]

@@MyTechFun Exactly. In the German translation you're talking about filament from Syria. I mean, I didn't think they'd be making filament that fast after Assad was gone :D

[@MyTechFun]

Can you please check something for me? If the German talking same like automatic subtitles? In that case, I should check them after every upload. It's becomming more important.

[@onur.oezdemir]

@@MyTechFunNo, the subtitles and the translated voice is different. In the subtitles it shows the manufacturer, and different sentence structures. In the audio it talks about Syria. It is also automatically activated for me, eventhough I mainly use English content