Acheron CN Pre Release Analysis | Pokke's Classroom

[@mrpokkee]

As of this moment, official kit has been made public due to early access Creator Experience servers, stay tuned for more! Also do let me know if you'd like more CN Reacts :)

[@Ser--]

Pokke be like "this is the first time I've seen Archeron's kit in action"

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

We always want more!

[@2n1n_]

@@Ser-- really hate how hoyo hates people in official places talking leaks but they don't do anything to stop them

[@junn_.]

I need numbers like how u do it back then

[@aouiki2636]

​@@2n1n_i mean it would obviously be terrible for everyone if they put a stop to all leaks, they know dome degree of leaks is good for theit game. but they still have to regulate so it's not out of control so they don't want official partners to be spreading leaks. that feels like a pretty unreasonable thing to be annoyed by. it makes sense why things are the way they are, you're asking for them to either do something that's much worse for both them and us (mostly us players) or for them to do something stupid for themselves by letting leaks get out of control.

[@EkaJ91]

6:55 Now theres more to those technique restore items! And Daily reset too! In belobog, go to vending machine near hotel, 10 trick snack. Go to underground city, from waypoint go to right and buy the item frrom shop. In luofu, so many. The one near the ship accident story, theres a shop that sells 100 of each for crafting trick snack. In cloudford, find the shop and buy the package AND technique restore item. In plaza(one with sushang event) find little auntie and buy all technique point item. Then lastly penacony, trleportt near big eyeball, go south and buy the tecnique item from shop with girl. Hope it helps.

[@keychera]

There are two places in the Aurum Alley(sushang event place) that sells tp restore item btw

[@munz6434]

the final boss of mintpicking right here

[@EkaJ91]

@@munz6434 now now. Its potional

[@EkaJ91]

@@keychera aurum alley is onen i mentioned, the little auntie. Which the other one?

[@keychera]

@@EkaJ91 the place named Oldies depot, it sells fighter jet that restore 2 tp

[@KevKrieger32]

Very interesting! :D I would love to see more you reacting to & translating CN videos! It's nice to see how CN players see and react to new characters

[@Ghrifter]

thank you Mr/Ms Editor for the empty bubbles lore note. I didn't made the connection to memory bubbles. I can't wait to see Agent J from Men in Black to join HSR, hopefully her duo with Acheron will be as insane as what MrPokke told us in this video

[@dokidokidango1896]

Great analysis as usual. GENUINELY!

[@Misty-t7w]

Also with Pela and Resolution LC, you can't reapply the def down if it's already present in the enemy. That means if you Pela Ult - Pela basic, you only gain 1 stack, so you're forced to skill to gain another stack (if you have the Eidolon for ice res down). Or you forego the energy from basic, which is Pela basic first while energy is full, then Pela Ult to gain 2 stacks.

[@sleepicat]

Yeah the only nihility that can apply debuff on every basic at e0s0 are Black Swan and Silverwolf.

[@TheAnaz41745]

​@@sleepicatGui can with her basic applying Burn

[@jamesmarkell3343]

​@@sleepicatsampo

[@exu7325]

@@TheAnaz41745 Yeah, only if she's at 109% EHR. The keyword is "every" here.

[@MrGshinobi]

silverwolf gigachad enters the room

[@boo5860]

Pokke live translating is genuinely so cool and impressive

[@araarashinigami]

LOL this is the most American comment ever.

[@MrCtheo]

I think the fact that you can cover CN is really a huge plus for your content! :)

[@von3496]

This. Changes. Everything. Genuinely

[@hadiibrahim3880]

that Jingyuan edit was diabolical, CN are savages lol

[@kebjnchan]

It's time we need 5 star Pela with aoe debuff

[@sleepicat]

Black Swan E1 is basically 5 star Pela that also does a fuck ton of DOT damage

[@kebjnchan]

@@sleepicat She more of a dot dmg dealer I don't really into her alot .... prefer a pure support type like sw and pela more.

[@sleepicat]

@@kebjnchan No she isn’t just a dot dealer, she is an aoe debuffer and the current best battery in the game for charging up Acheron’s ult because she gives Acheron stacks when enemies spawn. There’s already calcs on this. E0S0 Black Swan > E6 Pela if you abuse the ult during enemy turn tech. E1S0 Black Swan > Pela without abusing the ult during enemy turn tech and is by far the best debuffer in the game if you do use the ult tech. Also Kafka is powercrept by Acheron, Acheron + Black Swan is a better team.

[@kebjnchan]

@@sleepicat well I doesn't mean BS not function better than Pela I mean in future I think they will release another char that more "best support" for Acheron currently most of them are "useable" . I don't have BS btw so i'll just stick with Pela currently.

[@kaseyatakahashi9753]

Bs way better in a dot team. Instead of E1 bs just pull for e2 Archeron. Also bs can't give 100% def shred. They will be rolling out a debuffer with def shred and ult vulnerability so just have to wait.

[@SonicBoyster]

Has anybody tested E2 Silver Wolf? E2 Silver Wolf "applies" a debuff whenever an enemy enters battle. I don't know if it counts as inflicting a debuff though.

[@TheOtherSideCh]

Morbidly Obese Acheron with all the Tech Points Snacks she's gonna eat.

[@runefangwolf]

Thank you for always doing these analysis videos MrPokke since the early days!!

[@seriecommentaarsjek9681]

Black swan E1 +kafka S1 stonks are up. i'm glad i'll have some fun options for team comps

[@Kspice9000]

E2 bs stonks sky rocketed

[@userusernomi]

Yeah they went from high to even higher lol Now, my man Gepard E3's (I'm F2P, this is just Curse of Gepard) stocks have skyrocketed. I'm gonna be pulling for Acheron's LC and not even care about Aventurine now.

[@theperson101ful]

First time watcher, really enjoyed this video. Love that live translation, wish the CN voice was a little lower volume, the editing on that CN video is amazing and hilarious! 37:33 broken 🤣

[@flapjackpanda]

maybe I'm crazy but if you're a jing yuan main, its really not a big deal and I don't see Acheron replacing him, not because of damage or performance, she can perform better than him right but because of the nature by which she operates, needing more nihility debuffers it just means she opens up a path to play meta content differently, thats all. its not a replacement but an alternative, thats how I see it.

[@ethanally8667]

Let her cook

[@lewsee5562]

And both of them don't share the same supports. You can just play both of them for each half. Acheron will be in charge of element-neutral sides because she can use SW and her ult breaks down enemy weakness regardless if it's not lightning weak. So yeah, if you have JY + Sparkle, then pull for Acheron next patch, you're already set for all endgame content.

[@anrypettit3112]

Who let you cook 💀

[@flapjackpanda]

@@anrypettit3112 I cooked a 4 star meal fr, what objection do you propose might I ask original gangster

[@positivegamerchanel5411]

Most sane player, honestly

[@Stella0416]

Missing out the LC for acheron is such a huge dmg loss I think I might just pull for jingliu since I already have kafka for lightning coverage :(

[@bigbaconman4889]

Dito

[@theolailheugue9402]

​@@dante19890 that faulse. 80% of her stack ult gonna come from your other Nihility

[@theolailheugue9402]

@@dante19890 yep around 20 to 30% faster but not THAT faster cause regardless of the lightcone or not in 1 ultimate rotation with 2 Nihility if you have Acheron LC or not if your 2 Nihility are in wind set you only need to E 1 time with Acheron for 2 turn ult regardless if you have the LC or not. The only thing that hard impact your turn needed for ult is her E2 who basicly cut in half all the time needed for stacking.

[@justjuniorjaw]

900k at E0S1 test server MoC is kinda wild.

[@epicgamer5620]

27:20 box will be proud of his decisions now

[@XWRL6]

Hello, I have E0S1 Topaz. From my experience using her, she inflicts 7 - 8 debuffs during the 1st cycle, assuming you use her technique in MoC/PF. Skill (1: Proof of Debt, 2: Numby apply S1) > Numby (3) > Ult > 2 enhanced follow up attacks triggered by other units (4, 5) > BA (6, applies S1 as well) > Numby (7). 8 if you use skill on her second turn. However, Acheron's talent has a limit of "once per every ability usage". We don't know if it will count Topaz's skill (debuff application then Numby attack apply S1) as 1 or 2 instances. So Topaz might only provide 5 ult stacks, which is still pretty good. She could be like Acheron's Tingyun, with personal damage + CD% boost instead of ATK% + DMG% boost. That said, she'd be a much more expensive Tingyun. She also can't use DDD, and if you're trying to 0-cycle, she won't have her ult ready for the next wave. Which I guess is fair since other debuffers also give Acheron ult stacks anyway. You might as well try an Ach-Top combo if you already have Topaz, especially if you don't have Silver Wolf. But it's not worth pulling Topaz as an Acheron support unless you plan to also create a FuA team in the future.

[@justjuniorjaw]

I'm happy to hear that Pela + Sparkle + Sustain works fine through Brax. Can't wait for a 2nd Nihility to come so her E0S1 has a proper team outside of the ST option that is Silver Wolf.

[@daranchau9344]

@@dante19890except you don’t, because sparkle gives acheron two actions every cycle, not to mention acheron can now run atk boots, which is a big damage increase because she has big dmg% but no atk buffs in her kit

[@exu7325]

@@dante19890 With S1 Acheron gets 2 ult points per skill per turn. Sparkle can give her more turns and more damage. If you don't have a second dedicated debuffer (meaning SW, since we only have 2 dedicated debuffer currently), Sparkle is the next best option. Even with the 45% Nihility buff, non-debuffer Nihility still can't compete. People are also overestimating the two Nihility ultimate uptime without S5 Resolution or SW. SP is going to be a big trouble and you will have to rely on RNG when you run out.

[@anrypettit3112]

Stop forcing teams Fk off

[@daranchau9344]

@@dante19890 yep. Even if you don't, Sparkle's buffing capabilities make up for it

[@justjuniorjaw]

@@dante19890 The topic under this thread already assumes E0S1.

[@hu9376]

35:03 you should be careful with who you break, if you break 5 enemies at the same time you only get 1 stack. Also I'd love to see your take on 2 Harmony vs 2 Nihility or 1 Harmony + 1 Nihility combination. I wonder if the dmg boost of 1 Harmony like Bronya/Sparkle would make up for the dmg bonus from her trace of having 2 Nihility allies

[@ceizhore4498]

1 Nihility will always be a dmg loss unless E2

[@SuperPaper_34]

I’m so glad to see someone talking about the value Acheron brings in being able to use non-harmony supports, I see so much dooming over this even though it’s actually gonna make her way easier to use for new players. Cause, as you mentioned, what she really does is strap a Tingyun to every nihility unit even the bad/less synergistic ones, basically doubling the amount of viable supports your account has. Like, think about a new player starting in 2.1, they don’t have Sparkle or Ruan Mei and those reruns are likely ~6 months out. Their Bronya may be 300 standard pulls away. They might not even have Tingyun yet. How effective is a DHIL or Jingliu gonna *actually* be? Then you have Acheron running with Pela and Gallagher, plus you can pick Gui (or Gallagher if you got unlucky and missed him on Acheron’s banner) for free in the 2.1 event. Even if Gui is a bit cope compared to Silver Wolf, you’ve got basically 2.5/3 pieces for a team that is being tuned to compete with DHIL and JL’s current premium teams… Not to mention the ceiling of Harmony is locked behind DDD and speed tuning. Put aside new players, most veterans can’t be bothered to speed tune and many don’t have a high refine DDD let alone two. This will end up increasing the gap between Acheron and other dps for non-hardcore players. In other words what I want to say is basically that this idea that she’s somehow so much less accessible and flexible than other DPS isn’t just gonna age like milk, it’s milk that’s already expired. Also Pokke I think you exaggerated a *bit* about how necessary her S1 is compared to GNSW S5, cause when you think about how you actually build an E0 Acheron team with her being super slow and your nihil debuffers being as fast as possible, this team structure minimizes the impact of the extra energy granted on her own turns via her S1. It is definitely still gonna be one of the more impactful signature LCs out there, but I don’t think it’s really gonna kneecap her that hard if you only have GNSW S5 (but it definitely will be completely game changing if you are using her with Bronya/Sparkle to get many turns). The bigger issue is besides GNSW there are no good 4* options at all, so it’s like, ok well you are gonna be pulling on her sig banner anyway cause it’s rated up there.

[@winningsonn]

The problem with acheron with/out her sign lc is the damage output. You can see braxophone new vid its literally a 200k dmg difference, i know theres a lot of factors for those numbers but still a 150-200k dmg difference is huge. And considering that moc is getting harder with each patch you pretty much want her lc or shes not gonna be future proof when other dps came out

[@Anya-ne1ef]

I aruge that jingliu is a better investment for new players imo. As of 2.1, people joining the game can still claim a free Dr. Ratio who needs nihility to function as well. They fight for the same supports like pela and guinaifen for debuff. Pela NEEDS resolution (need high superimpose for easier effect hit building without tutorial lightcone) or e4 to apply debuff for acheron while she works just fine when paired with jingliu. New players can also exchange for gui or gallagher to pair with dr ratio to complete 2 teams for moc. There's also issues with lightcone for beginners which I'm sure many of you are already aware

[@winningsonn]

@@dante19890 Debuffers doesnt only work with acheron. We have sw thats been a staple comps with dr ratio and seele and a mono element comps, we have welt thats used as a support/sustainer/hyperdps, blackswan for the defshred and dot comps even pela is being used everywhere Having acheron is just gonna make them debuffers more meta imo.

[@Jwhiz24]

Greedy move by mihoyo. Acheron is crippled without her sig lc as there are no viable alternatives.

[@Rendang_Shofun]

some ppl forgot that fire mc can use Topaz's 4* LC that inflict burn to enemies, and apply taunt. that alone is considered a debuf.

[@GundumTsukiyomi]

The character that will break all f2ps status... good luck on pulls everyone!

[@mrdeafter]

E1S1 Ruanmei already broke my F2P status 😂

[@userusernomi]

Nah, I'd win. (Lost my Sparkle 50/50 and now I'm 30 pulls away from guarantee)

[@evepsyche]

stares at my e2s1 black swan *YOU ARE NOW ONE OF MY SUPERIOR EMPLOYEES*

[@Magneasy93]

Raiden Mei was made immaculately in this game.

[@LiPa8063]

Thank you so much for the information distribution ❤

[@bjornnilsson2941]

It's pretty awesome how cookable she seems ^^ minor changes in playstyle and predicting and reacting to enemy moves will now have a major impact on her overall performance. Really excited to pull for her, and I will try to get her LC but RNG will decide. At least I have S5 GNSW as a backup. Sparkle and Ruan Mei will be excellent teammates for her (choose one) together with two nihility (Pela, SW, BS, Welt, Gui). I Win To Lose just posted an effortless E0S1 floor 12 0-cycle on both sides with genuinely relatable relics, with Sparkle, SW and Pela. If for some reason true sustain is needed I have my E1 Gepard and Trend ready to go lol. Acheron is literally game breaking istg.

[@mrconan400]

o7 my general, carrying my account from 1.0~2.0. Now its time to rest, gonna take you to walk sometimes.

[@judielgabrielmanalo5031]

Goodluck on pulling!

[@jasonhil3829]

Respect general main that still watch pokke o7

[@RealClout]

let him rest brother. we let him rise once hoyoverse decides to focus on releasing characters that has to do with summonable entities

[@mrconan400]

@@jasonhil3829 if you play for others validation, you losing your fun by their rejection. Remember that you play games for fun

[@mrconan400]

@@jasonhil3829 dont play for others validation, you losing the fun by their rejection. remember you play games for fun.

[@SolarionEX]

E6 Serval > E0S0 Acheron Fishinge I will now take my leave.

[@evancruz3775]

E6 Serval > all other lightning dps kappa

[@ssiiimmon]

as a person that likes topaz ratio and aventurine i see this theory as an absolute win

[@RueRorda]

After the release of Black Swan and Acheron, simply said, Penacony units are built different.

[@kenny001]

I guess it can also be considered not that early because this patch was 1 extra week long.

[@tokitowa4393]

But doesn't her light cone have the limit of still only giving her 1 stack? As it can only be triggered once per turn regardless of how many debuffs you apply. Or does it work like her skill auto gives 1, and then the LC gives an additional one? o.o

[@emperman]

Imagine a nihility unit that does unlimited low dmg follow up attacks with stackable debuff after each ally takes action like kafka but unlimited

[@Kspice9000]

Better thought. Imagine if kafka eids increased her fua limit to 2.

[@SociaICancer]

Pompom looking cute with her dad pokke. Hope mine arrived before the rain weather starts 😊.

[@johnnywilson3071]

I wonder if the E0 S1 tuned DPS will be a common feature? While its not ideal for F2P it does open up strategizing pulls to maximise the chance for mint pickers to get both with event jades and free pulls which can be further helped by knowing 7-8 weeks in advance.

[@toddpoon]

0+1 acheron with 2 nhilities + flex slot, where flex slot could either be trend user for ult charge or some harmony assuming surivial isnt an issue cuz of massive damage. but if topaz in flex slot we can kinda simulate auspicious star where we get a free charge every ult cuz automatic re-application?

[@redbone9553]

Feel like Black Swan + Pela can also works if you don't have Silver Wolf. Black Swan does give 20% def down on top of her dots. On top of that, Black Swan's ult also gives Epiphany debuff, which not only gives Acheron an additional 25% damage boost to Acheron's ultimate if she uses it on enemies turn (pretty niche application), but it also count as unique dots, which let Acheron run 4-piece prisoner set for more def ignore. So technically, Black Swan can give 38% defense shred for Acheron (If Acheron is running Prisoner instead of Pioneer), on top of a 25% damage boost if Acheron use her ultimate on enemies turn, which is almost as high as Silver Wolf's ult shred, though you would mostly like need to run an ERR rope + Tutorial + high speed Black Swan to maintain the ultimate debuff. Acheron's biggest problem

[@stribijev]

I have been using The Trend of the Universal Market since the beginning of the game. First, with Fire MC, and now my Gepard has it. Amazing LC, not even at S5. Enables Nihility blessings in the Simulated Universe editions.

[@FaizFS3]

im gonna cook trio dps team with ruan mei, welt, ratio, and acheron all with diver set

[@FRiend-bd2td]

babe wake up new CN analysis has dropped

[@CAPSLOCKING]

I'm someone who grabbed S1 Kafka forever ago and pooled gems for Black Swan release to get her E1. Sounds like I'm cooking.

[@Kspice9000]

I got e2s1 bs and kafka e2s1. Rdy to hit 50 stacks arcana in moc.

[@juniipurr22]

36:33 since i'll be using acheron with black swan, i'm gonna use the dot set on acheron and put the tutorial lc on swan for high ult uptime so acheron can get the 18% def ignore and reach a total of around 95% with swan and pela. it's 2% less def ignore than the quantum set but at least it won't require certain enemy weaknesses and can always be enabled by black swan, and acheron will also benefit from the 2pc set bonus

[@pikaswole]

Regarding the Sig LC, I got the feeling you were saying that each debuff adds a stack of Slashed Dreams. Unfortunately, IIRC the way it works is that it only counts 1 enemy (i.e. using skill on 3 enemies will still only give 2 stacks total). This changes nothing tho; it's p much a must pull.

[@MoonZapdos]

Worth noting that Crimson Knot itself doesn''t count as a debuff for the purposes of her stacks, Pioneer or Dr. Ratio's mechanics. Furthermore, Acheron will not give herself an additional stack if she inflicts Weakness Break while already having S1. Maximum one extra stack per Skill.

[@WarWarp]

this makes me really curious with acheron tech + topaz tech, like will using acheron tech while topaz tech is up, mean that you have to use topaz tech per acheron tech hit?

[@stribijev]

If they released an event light cone for Nihility units like her, it would be great.

[@rachelamber5349]

more cn reacts plssss!! theyre super funny

[@MechaStorm7]

agreed!

[@chatenkun9808]

So acheron vs jl/dhil,do u think she is gonna powercreep them or no?

[@justashzz]

Havent pulled for a single limited character yet. Finally I can have a proper dps

[@kenngo3690]

Mr. Pokke will Hanya's skill applying Burden be considered a debuff for Acheron?

[@taiyuchan7388]

will kafka lc be good on her?

[@userusernomi]

Her LC is so freaking good that now I'm glad I lost my Sparkle 50/50. Gonna get my guaranteed Acheron in about 30 pulls now and every jade I get until the end of the banner will be going to her LC.

[@hitoridatinao]

Conclusion from the CN guide Bilibili: Just E6 every character and get at least 3 copies of S5 for each LC

[@TheShawnLoverForever]

what i would like to know is if it's better to have speed boots and reach 134 if you have the sg Lighcone because you get 2 stacks from the skill or attack boots are still better

[@jonnevitu4979]

guys I think acheron is finally our first MEGACARRY om

[@skyscream3842]

Do you think Asta will be one of her best Harmony supports? She's the only Harmony that reliably inflicts a debuff while potentially giving a massive Attack Boost on the side. Not to mention since her Ult greatly relies on the team's overall speed, Asta's teamwide speed buff will basically be a semi-Tingyun for her stacks. 🤔 🤔🤔

[@kingsimba9513]

If you're running a harmony, then I'm going to assume E2S1 Acheron. If that's the case, then nothing really beats an advanced forward support (Sparkle or Bronya) as each of Acheron's turns will translate to 3 stacks.

[@justjuniorjaw]

​​@@kingsimba9513E0S1 + Pela + Sparkle is more than good enough to forfeit the 115% to 160% damage as the difference is minimal while increasing Acheron Ult generation which helps in clearing waves.

[@skyscream3842]

@@kingsimba9513 I was going for the "E0S0 rawdog it no sustain" direction but yes I see your point.

[@kingsimba9513]

@@justjuniorjaw no harmony unit is able to make up for the loss in damage from the passive. That's just misinformation. I'd implore you to read up the calcs done on the Acheron subreddit instead of relying on a feelscrafter like Brax.

[@justjuniorjaw]

​​​@@kingsimba9513My guy, even the theorycrafters isn't fully confident in their theorycrafting... and that they also suggest Pela + Sparkle which you seem to deny. Unless you have SW, Sparkle is the next best option and the gap isn't too big. And Brax has the proper server to test the pre-finalized Acheron.

[@criticalf0ll0w16]

13:00 it should go without saying but Pokkee is a bit wrong on this one characters who can apply debuffs frequently charge her ult faster than ones who apply a lot of debuffs in one instance

[@ettore2308]

I rlly like acheron but tbh i dont have the wishes to get the LC as well, should i just skip her?

[@malsawmaralte6328]

U can pull her lc when she re-run She is still strong without her LC

[@riceMHrise]

Is she good with Black Swan?

[@sinitheexcellent3654]

I have every nihility unit, so I've been doing a lot of thinking about who to pair with Acheron. Pela and SW are the obvious ones, and I'm also interested in a pseudo-sustain Welt comp, but one idea I've been toying with for shits and giggles is putting Resolution LC on Kafka and using her as an SP generator. Since her basics/skills, ult, and follow up will all inflict debuffs with the lightcone and her DoTs, she can enable Acheron to cycle her ultimate incredibly fast. Her sig LC also works with this idea, but it might be better used on Acheron herself. Probably not optimal and definitely a waste of Kaka's potential, but its a funny gimmick. The E0S1 Topaz meme comp the CN video mentions functions similarly.

[@mrdeafter]

Kafka can't inflict Dot with auto or skill

[@Who-dg9yj]

Why do people think of Pela anyway? It's the consistency of debuffs that matters here, not the quality. She only debuffs with her Ult. Isn't SW+Guinaifen better?

[@mrdeafter]

@@Who-dg9yj E4 Pela can debuff on command and Resolution LC exist and Pela can spam ult faster than any unit in the entire game

[@Who-dg9yj]

@@mrdeafter oh. Well, I got even E0 Pela pretty late, kinda weird to presume everyone has E4 AND a gacha lightcone at high superimposition, which is very important for Resolution. Guin just seems more consistent, since that stuff is baked right into her kit. And, if we're talking eidolons, she has another debuff at E1.

[@mrdeafter]

@@Who-dg9yj consistently is useless if the debuff is weak af also you don't even need S5 resolution

[@Luffy_Monkey100]

She is cool asf don’t get me wrong but I wonder what people will say after the honeymoon phase is over😭😭😭

[@kaseyatakahashi9753]

Wow I never knew I needed a womp womp seele plushie until now.

[@javsama1]

As a new player should I pull for Archeron, one of the return banners or right now for Sparkles?

[@cali6662]

If you can get her and her light cone you will be set for life, but there are other options, like getting jingliu + a sustain, there isn't a wrong choice tbh

[@Merrillon21]

If you want a DPS, Jingliu might be easier for a newer player to build investment wise. You can also get by with the free Destruction lightcone in the Herta shop and still do great. Sparkle is great but only if you have a compatible DPS unit to use her with. Luocha and Aventurine banners might be good if you don't have a good sustain unit which you will definitely need. Acheron looks great but requires other Nihility characters built (like Pela) to be effective and is also currently limited by lack of F2P friendly lightcone options. Might not be good if you're starting out. In the end pull for what you really need and what you like.

[@thederp9309]

I wouldn’t recommend it if we’re talking from a practical stand point… I can 36* MoC floor 12 with my Blade, Bronya team, and Kafka, Guinaiffen… the game is on god easy with any DPS… I would just recommend getting a sustain… his last video on giving Acheron an 11/10 was nuts, especially because it was in the context of value for new players, that was an insane take in my eyes I have an e1 161 spd SW and I’m not pulling Acheron… Also people are very much overhyping her technique, don’t feel pressured by it… if you look at it damn near nobody farms the overworld mobs and if they do… run… and in sim universe Ruan Mei does the exact same thing with Insta killing the enemies with weakness break Also, Acheron has pretty bad to mid LC choices outside from her signature… please don’t pull for a signature LC early on in the game This FOMO that’s set off in the community always inclines people to pull or spend money, it doesn’t take foresight to realise that a few patches down the line it won’t last unless it’s a debuffer that helps Acheron which would set in more FOMO for Acheron havers… don’t fall into a trap of regret to spend money, wait for a character you genuinely WANT, because it appears you’re making a choice based on meta or other people’s hype, because once you realise how easy this game is you’d see basically any “meta” opinion doesn’t matter on a practical level

[@Cocxy69]

Sparkle >= Preservation unit > Dps Even 4* dps would carry you now if you have good supports like sparkle and a sustain to keep you alive, Especially when QQ is free

[@kain1799]

What do ya think mean acheron doesn't have her bis support it's pela. Give her pearls she debuffs on normal and ult so she always debuffs

[@adry0927]

imagine having e6 black swan all teammate applies debuff with any attack

[@notenjoying666]

This will powercreep EVERYTHING.

[@LostDomino]

Iam kinda interesting how Acharon ult will interact in sim uni using Nihility path ability, will we get 1stack of of ult or more because it technically it put multiple types of debuff

[@Kspice9000]

That's what I'm curious about as well. It's one per action for allies. So it could be 1 or it could be damn near 7.

[@iMarcism]

Great video!

[@meguy7735]

I don’t see people talking about following turns. After she blasts her ult, would it not take 2 turns to farm the next one? Feel like her damage would drop off because of that.

[@Kspice9000]

Uni market lc generates a ton of stacks from enemy atks. That combined with pela or gunfei is easily enough to 1 turn ults.

[@zerefuuutv]

Not the mtashed "this changes everything" 😂😂😂

[@ketansingh5220]

Any dps comparison b/w her and iL ?

[@FlashWarrior]

I wonder if mockery of fire mc counts

[@FlashWarrior]

Well for sure new healer works for her because of his healing debuff

[@albertwesker3299]

Fire MC is great because taunt counts as a stack. But also if you run Trend (preservation Topaz Light Cone) enemies will give her a stack for every time they get burned from the light cone, massively increasing her stack generation.

[@FlashWarrior]

​@@albertwesker3299the problem is that maybe enemies will die before they attack mc

[@FlashWarrior]

But for long fights yes

[@riven4121]

It does. The taunt is a debuff. Plus if they get hit and you have trend that's another stack.

[@kmatics711]

Is there a reason Fu Xuan wasnt mentioned for the Burn preservation LC?

[@24zer0nd]

no taunt, obviously it will work on her but not as well as fire and geppy

[@kmatics711]

@joshfullbright7678 I realized that and the fact she doesn't try to build effect hit rate in her kit like the other two. thank you for answering!

[@acesword9850]

I'm kinda glad I got E1 Black Swan. Just wish I had Kafka's LC😭

[@isaaccaraballo5359]

27:25 I do rejoice in E2 gepard bc when the freeze gets off it automatically applies a speed debuff 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@ubow1]

btw wouldn't gallagher be better than trend preservation units? His ult will apply Besotted on everyone and his enhanced basic will reduce atk to to a single enemy. Trend LC is just too rng based to be good on someone like fu xuan who cant apply any debuffs any other way. I know S1 Aventurine is better but I'm talking about trend preservation units here.

[@kinabaru4913]

absolutely game changer

[@Hito-th4gp]

My official analysis regarding Acheron is that she is hot as fuck and she is the Raiden of Honkai Star Rail, hence i conclude that i would pull for her. Thank you.

[@anokoji]

Crimson knot isn't a debuff ,is a effect that allows Acheron to do splash damage to nearby enemies with the first attacks on her ult and it Also increases her damage. EDIT:When in her ultimate every time she hits an enemy with Crimson knots it will take away 3 crimson knots and do the spalsh damage to adjacent enemies,and the crimson knot effect isn't removable. 🤓☝️

[@vultrexz]

professional yapper

[@anokoji]

@@vultrexz Actually it is Elite Yapper 🤓☝️

[@Stormzsayshi]

A future Nihility that will cast a ridiculous amount of debuffs..... hmmmmm

[@charlesj12345]

is it possible for you to do my acheron rolls im going for e6 😅

[@jaredtew3302]

whatever man im just pull her without her lightcone I don't care if shes good or bad cuz I cant clear moc anyway I'm not a meta player

[@PapaTez]

I want that Pom-pom onesie!

[@justvibin7576]

I wonder if ppl are actually gonna run team comps like bronya+sparkle or any other 2 harmony teams (outside of e2) considering how much you’re sacrificing for the non nihility units (its like a 40% dmg difference between 1-2 nihility allies, and with potentially less ult uptime?). maybe the buffs or extra turns make up for the dmg loss and make it better tho, idk

[@israyantidien4287]

Brax actually do pela+sparkle in his last video, snd acheron actually does pretty good damage and sparkle's advance forward help her getting ultimate faster Yea it's not 2 harmong but still not mono nihility teams

[@justjuniorjaw]

That 115% Damage increase is still kinda wild, you might as well throw a Nihility unit first before considering a Harmony.

[@kingsimba9513]

​@@israyantidien4287Brax is a feelscrafter lol. TC'ers on the Acheron subreddit have gone through countless team calcs and there is no world a harmony unit is able to make up for the damage loss from the passive

[@justjuniorjaw]

​@@kingsimba9513Going from 115 to 160 damage increase isn't that big if that 2nd Nihility doesn't provide much. A Sparkle enables an E0S1 Acheron to take more turns using her Skill, thus speeding up her Ult stack as if a 2nd Nihility is applying the debuffs for her. Mathematically, a 2nd Nihility increases her damage higher but in practice being able to keep taking her turn to spam Skill and Ult will cover her lower damage, and the 2nd Nihility option are at best either a Gui or SW, which has their own caveats that limits Acheron maximum potential.

[@riven4121]

@@justjuniorjaw It does because of how that damage buff works. It's a final damage multiplier. It applies after everything else.

[@reedsad4652]

Hey pokke, With LC you get arround 800k with decent builds, so if you get F2p LC like GNSW s1 and do 400k to 500k with it, is that bad for her? Haha.

[@sonushito8862]

What title the phonk song that played in the intro?

[@phoenixlau]

"Robophonk" - Infraction & Lazerpunk

[@Leokaiser_micky]

Thanks for the info 🙏 I was going to farm

[@israyantidien4287]

After watching brax's review, i can say that acheron is indeed pretty expensive and strict to build Her lc is not as necessary as jingyuan, argenti, etc but the upgrade is big, damage wise gnsw is still okay to use but like pokke said, it's help her ultimate so much But it's WORTH IT, i won't say she's good for new/casual player, i still think jingliu is better she's easier to build, have many alternative(lc and support) But if you(new/casual players) really want to pull her, it's recommended to pull her lc Conclusion: If you're old players: depends on your saving plans, it's good to have her If you're new players: jingliu is safer and easier but if you put more effort to her, she can be insane from early game Btw small information from brax's video, he use sparkle instead 2nd nihility and does insane damage(s0 and s1), so it's means that her mono trace doesn't really matter atleast if you have sparkle, so i guess you can try it after she release

[@awatcher4965]

Argenti and jingyuan have good f2p options now, they are nowhere near as restrictive as acheron, who only has gnsw, which isn't even an f2p option and noticeably worse than her sig, unlike argenti and jingyuan, but I do think people are doomposting about how not having her lc makes her horrible, that's just not true. It's possible that she won't compete against dhil and JL on release, but she only gets better as more nihility characters (not focused on dot) get released.

[@justjuniorjaw]

At E0S1, just go for Pela + Sparkle. It's more than enough to see her hit hard and supply her own 9 Energy quickly. Sparkle alone is a great general Harmony unit to get so it's not a bad idea to own her.

[@kingsimba9513]

Brax is a feelscrafter lol. TC'ers on the Acheron subreddit have gone through countless team calcs and there is no world a harmony unit is able to make up for the damage loss from the passive.

[@QuietCrow009]

As a BS e1 haver, I'm fitna bake with the triple dmg comp

[@Lol-Lol0]

Should i use atk boots or spd boots? If i use spd boots i can reach 134 spd

[@kyrogamingvt9716]

If you have Sparkle or Bronya id wager go attack boots and use their skill to pull Acheron up. Especially if you can manage to get some speed on other relics

[@Lol-Lol0]

@@kyrogamingvt9716 no, i plan on pulling her for E0S0 pairing her with my SW and pela who is on 160+ spd both

[@kyrogamingvt9716]

@@Lol-Lol0 Valid, I only recently started so im looking to pick her up this banner

[@riven4121]

I had a dream there's going to be a 5* nihility that replaces Pela that is very good for Acheron.

[@CordneyRobinson]

E6 swan makes all units apply arcana on attack

[@michaelman90]

Acheron+Kafka+Black Swan+Ruan Mei will probably destroy most MoC floors if they don't outright resist lightning, especially if your BS is E1 since Kafka's shock will reduce lightning res for both herself and Acheron.

[@Kspice9000]

Even more so if kafka has s1 and bs is at e2. Being able to focus those arcana stacks to boss is going to be insane.

[@MrGshinobi]

Welt gigachad is finally gonna get some viable teams thanks to acheron

[@AttackOnTuna]

About to go for Acheron E6 WR speedrun

[@AristineSilvanus]

Wow, so FOR ME, Acheron is a huge skip. Coz not only that almost all the units that synergizes with her (except Pela) are units I dont like playing but also enemy/turbulence reliant. Welp, just gonna wait for a 5 star destruction as my dps to pull for next.

[@EverydayHumans]

Is it Sam or jingliu?

[@AristineSilvanus]

@@EverydayHumans alreadt have Jingliu so its Sam (if he is destruction) or Firefly (if she is destruction) wink wink

[@EverydayHumans]

@@AristineSilvanus yes sam is fire destruction....now help me decide...pulling acheron e0 and fx e0 along with Sam e0s1 or skipping acheron and pulling fx e0s1, Sam e0s1

[@Who-dg9yj]

And for me she is a godsend, because my account has been cursed with Nihility EXCEPT FOR KAFKA! About time my redheaded Oppenheimer got some use.

[@nooone1387]

idk if gaining arcana stacks counts as applying debuffs, but imagine kafka's skill gaining debuff stacks of arcana, + her ult gaining stack, then her fua gaining stack while enemies also gaining 1 stack during their own turn and gaining another stack from black swan's skill/basic. that would just be like a 0.5T ult LOL epecially in pf

[@Kspice9000]

I don't think it will but kafka fua generate a stack since it applies shock, as well as ult. At s1 she will generate a stacks on skill/basic atk.

[@Kspice9000]

Ruan mei with ult. From what I heat allows for any atks to generate stack.

[@Kspice9000]

In other words s1 Kafka already maxes out her own stacks generation.