Acoustic ceiling treatments

[@ThinkingBetter]

I bought a lot of ceiling treatment panels 4 years ago...now they collect dust in my garage...one of so many projects to materialize some day.

[@spektrograf]

In concert halls, reflective/diffusion panels are used to solve certain acoustic problems in the hall itself. For example, issues like orchestral players not being to clearly hear themselves or each other for performance needs, or augmenting certain parts of the hall where acoustic coverage is required because powered sound reinforcement has not been implemented.

[@stonefree1911]

I can't imagine that big HVAC fan on the wall is very helpful...

[@graxjpg]

Yeah, mini split systems like that are pretty much dead quiet

[@stonefree1911]

Cool, I remember Paul mentioning earlier that he was displeased by them being there, but had no choice.

[@kathylam5512]

My friends have them and they work great if put in the correct space

[@CeeStyleDj]

They've address that in a previous video. I think Paul or someone else said something like "you can't be perfect".

[@leonzantvoort6201]

In two houses I finished the ceiling of the living room with Acoustic Spray Plaster. This is only 2.5 cm thick and gives a fantastic result.

[@laurentzduba1298]

Every church in my neighborhood built after 1960 all came with acoustic tiles in the ceiling as standard. Whether that has good or bad effects whenever they do a live performance of Handel's Messiah can only be assessed through listening. 🤔

[@birgerolovsson5203]

I've nailed a bed mattress for a King Size water bed to the ceiling above where I have my listening chair and I did it to get a better stereo image but got the biggest improvement in the base area. The lowest frequencies became sooo much better/clearer so may tip is: "Yes! Try to "modify" your ceiling".

[@new-kids-on-the-block]

Im working in spachalist plafonds we have somting realy nice fore this acoustic treatment its a soort of glaswol end you can just paint it en you see noting from it it cansels out the Reflection

[@bluesfish55m51]

Here in sunny Florida most every room in one’s home has a ceiling fan to contend with. Couldn’t ask for a worse room treatment. I always turn mine off when music is playing.

[@laurentzduba1298]

A ceiling fan turned on high while playing Hendrix's Voodoo Chile is probably what this song sounds like when the acid starts to kick in. 😆

[@D1N02]

I am thinking about making a large rectangular box that is partly absorbent and partly dispersing and can also serve as a fixture. Nu need to cover the entire ceiling. Just the hotspot

[@NoEgg4u]

@3:09 "Vicoustics" Be advised that Vicoustics has a history of not honoring their warranty claims. You might be wondering: How could a panel fail? Most of Vicoustics panels are affixed to walls and ceilings with glue, and that glue is typically ordered by customers from Vicoustics, and the glue fails. For example, Microsoft has sued Vicoustics over adhesion problems. Do the panels work? They sure do. That is, as long as they do not come down. The panels are mostly light-weight. But they can cause damage, if, for example, they land on your turntable. Also, if you are sleeping, and one comes down, it is a sound you do not want to hear in your home that wakes you up. And there is also a chance of a panel landing on someone. They probably will not get hurt. But it is an issue. The glue that Vicoustics sells might be good, or might not be good. They do not take care to discard expired glue. They might ship you glue that is a year past its "Best Used By" date. Is that why their panels come down? Hard to say. There are better glues, and they do a better job at ensuring that the panels stay where you affixed them. And when you report the problem to Vicoustics, good luck getting them to honor their warranty. They have been known to drag their feet for over a year, finally honoring a claim, and only after legal action is pending. Their panels work. Their adhesion is unreliable. Their warranty is basically worthless.

[@grahamstrahle4010]

I'm a bit worried about the small room there, esp that low ceiling, for such large speaker stacks.

[@jimdavis5230]

Paul said that carpet won't do anything for the bass. That's interesting because when I put a thick dense pile carpet in my listening room the bass improved by leaps and bounds.

[@SilverAudiophile]

Paul didn't say that carpet won't do anything to base. He said, carpet absorbs the higher frequencies. Hence, you hear more base.

[@jimdavis5230]

@@SilverAudiophile Since I installed the thick carpet my listening room door vibrates violently against the door frame due to the increased bass. That proves that the carpet has vastly improved the bass and high frequency reduction due to the carpet has nothing to do with it. However, if you think that a reduction in the high frequencies causes the door to vibrate, please explain how.

[@SilverAudiophile]

@@jimdavis5230 Back to your original point. Paul did not say anything regarding carpet and base. He said carpet will absorb the higher frequencies, with no comment about the lower frequencies. If you observe more base after installing carpet, perhaps you should address this question specifically to Paul McGowan.

[@ollehedstrom3536]

I used to have a ceiling (30 square meters) in my sitting room with a plastic layer which was easily movable by touch and sound waves I believe, and above that layer was another plastic layer, both very thin, and above that 20 cm of insulation. It was much as having 30 sq meters of insulation all over the ceiling! 20 years ago we removed it all and put hard panels there instead. Much nicer looking but the sound quality totally collapsed in that room. I will never again experience the softness and bass impact I used to have. My BIG mistake!

[@arande3]

Heh heh, in many ways I am still chasing the sound of my listening room that I had from 2005-2014. Crazy oblong shape (partially vaulted ceiling, very non symmetrical), full of diffracting surfaces, paintings all over the walls. Didn't know what I had, was just a kid.

[@guitarpick335]

Paul is right ... ceilng treatments should be the very last think you worry about.. Go for the walls and floor relections first...

[@keywestjimmy]

I guess depends on speaker placement, distance to walls and ceiling height. In other words when you do room acoustic treatments I'd be a mistake not to consider all. First thing he said is that his ceiling in HIGH. Having little or no ceiling first reflections would be different than 7' in say a large room of 20x30'.

[@ChiefExecutiveOrbiter]

Popcorn Ceilings Bad for you... Good for Acoustics?

[@MK-rn2hm]

I think Paul has put out enough. Topics are getting repeated in videos. It is becoming a show off channel more than anything really informative that common sense can’t answer.

[@CeeStyleDj]

I have to respectfully disagree. There is always going to be something extra or additional in a new video even if the topic was covered in a previous one. Also, there are always new people coming into the hobby that could benefit from this information ( who wouldn't necessarily look up older videos.)

[@philipw7058]

Totally false it depends on how loud you play your music,every surface no matter where it is in the room ceiling,floor,side walls,it makes no difference they all need to be treated,I have diffraction on the ceiling I have 4 inch thick clouds front and back of room on the ceiling,when you properly treat a room you will get all the benefits that your equipment can offer in sound playback,I have worked in many studio’s and treatments are job one in setting it up properly for best sound recording and playback,and if any room is begging for treatments it’s Paul’s, big speakers in a small room is ridiculous 🥴

[@keywestjimmy]

Big speakers can work fine in a smallish room. If you use your own logic that all surfaces matter, big speakers are pushed less, so less distortion and higher sound pressure. (Small speakers in a big room are problematic.) I don't think he said some surfaces don't matter. He simply ranked importance. All surfaces need taken into account, but treating all would be like saying all audio signals need eq.