Across the Spider-Verse Did What Guardians Vol 3 Could Not

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So Across the Spider-Verse is out and oh boy - two fantastic comic book movies in a row? What is this, 2017?! After getting a bevy of mixed offerings, 2023 has finally brought some truly top notch cape stuff, with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 and Across the Spider-Verse.
James Gunn recently said on a GQ video that Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse was one of his favourite comic book movies of all time. That sparked a thought in me because I think the way both creative teams approached the Guardians series and the Spider-Verse series is very similar, and in a way most comic book movie series don’t really do anymore. In fact, with Fast Ten having just dropped and Mission Impossible 7 and Expendables 4 round the corner, its kind of something most action movies don’t even do anymore.
I’ve seen loads of chatter comparing Across the Spider-verse to The Matrix Reloaded and that makes so much sense, even more so than the studio’s Empire comparisons. Because Across the Spider-Verse is truly half a movie, set up for the finale due in March, but it is also the middle episode of one three act story. Through some clever plotting and character development, it’s taken what seemed like a fully standalone first movie and turned it into the first part building to a satisfying climax. Pffft, sounds sexy Spider-Man. But yeah, whats so good about Spider-Verse is that in spite of referencing pretty much every Spider-Man ever, it somehow never loses sight of its main character and what it means for this movie to be the second chapter for him. It feels like we’re approaching a proper conclusion, and we’re only on part 2 - which doesn’t really feel like a thing these days.
The MCU has created a race amongst Hollywood blockbusters to have as many actors signed on for as many movies as possible, attempting to weave cinematic tapestries full of crossover character and stories. Many fail, and maybe that’s why in this instance Sony had the foresight to cap off this story rather than launching a million different spin offs in the interim. We didn’t get a solo Miles movie, a solo Gwen movie, a solo spider-man 2099 movie, or a solo Peter B Parker movie - instead we just got Spider-Verse 2, led by Miles but catching us up on everyone and everything. A glorious melting pot of Spider totems coming together to create a sequel that feels essential, because it's only 1 of 3 rather than 1 of 30.
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[@callmev3531]

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[@hollykm]

LMAOO

[@videovoidtv]

Brilliant! lmao

[@johnashley3854]

The point about the animation not changing to real life is actually THE point of the movie. Every Spiderman universe has its own thing and that shouldn't change their appearance just because they moved to another universe. Every Spiderman in the film didn't change their own art style even though they moved to a whole different universe. Spider Noir still has wind blowing for his cape, Donald Glover's Prowler didn't change to animated while he was in his cage. Spider-Punk's art style didn't change while he was in another universe and so on. The fact that they don't change their art style when going to another universe is the charm of it in my POV and I do prefer them not going to live action when they go to live action universe because it would just make every Spiderman's different art styles redundant.

[@TheRealChrisTDH]

Both movies do share one big problem: The final line of the climax being spoiled in the trailers.

[@FullFatVideos]

i do hate that, trailers need to stop doing it. i really noticed it in guardians

[@vincentmatamoros1757]

​@@Whats.Next.Videos if you wanna be transphobic at least make your own comment

[@strahinjanicic7042]

@@Whats.Next.Videos what the fuck? the protect trans kids thing is on screen for a few seconds at most and barely noticeable. anyways Jessica is still Jessica even if she is black. why does that matter? also do you not hear how you sound when you say "we already had three black spider-people, did we need another"? not even trying to hide the bigotry, spider-man wouldn't like you

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@Whats.Next.Videos literally shut up, stop being transphobic, stop being racist, stop acting like including a black character is erasing a different character, just stop.

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@@Whats.Next.Videos you were counting?

[@kbreezy1581]

I hate the take that the movie doesn't end satisfactorily on its own. Sure it ended on a cliffhanger, but it offers two complete arcs to the two main characters, gwen and miles. Miles finally gained the confidence to be his own spider-man despite being told that he doesn't belong and he's a mistake, as well as finally being able to come out to his mother because he realised he is strong because of those he has around him. Then you have gwen who the movie begins and ends with, who finally found her own band and is moving forward with the support of her family, after struggling to open up to anyone since ITSV. The movie literally ends with her leading her new found band preparing to save miles, her one TRUE friend.

[@Fluffy6555]

Generally how arcs work is what they learn can now be applied to solving the conflict which doesn't happen in this movie.

[@nathanguava883]

Gwen’s arc is definitely whole and viewing her as the main protagonist is a great idea I think you put very well. Since it opens and ends with her Across is a ‘complete’ film; but Miles’ story clearly has much telling to do to and payoffs to be paid to be considered even close to complete. Miles is already a confident Spider-Man and started Across that way, it was his strained connection to his parents (due to lying) and friends (that he could not talk too) that were the main obstacle in this arc and neither are really resolved since he now distrusts his friends and is facing down the destinies of his family.

[@kbreezy1581]

@@nathanguava883 Yeah, you are right. In many aspects it is obviously still a part 1 which is fine since not every story can be told in 1 movie, and you are right that miles' arc isn't complete yet, because he still has to tie up his relationship with his parents and there are several other things that have to be paid off. I guess I was just tired of ppl dismissing the movie as "half a movie" when a lot of what it did to have this unnecessary title slapped on to it can be applied to several other part 1 movies.

[@jjstarrprod]

Fun fact, apparently, when Empire Strikes back came out, Lucas got quite a big deal of angry fan letters (yes, there was no internet at the time, so actual mail was still a thing), with a lot of people pissed at him about how dare he end a Star Wars movie on an unfinished note, with such a dour and hopeless ending while the first one was all about triumph... Well, fast forward 40+ years, and Empire is by very far universally considered the best entry of the entire saga. Funny how history just keeps repeating itself. We really don't learn, do we ?

[@xxJC22xx]

@@jjstarrprodTbf, we have a direct comparison with Infinity War. That movie left on a cliffhanger but left many people satisfied since Thanos served as the protagonist of the movie. Most character arcs transitioned smoothly into Endgame, except for Bruce who just got his completely offscreen

[@pianist150]

Totally agree. One very annoying thing the MCU put in audiences heads is that you need to have each character in an ensemble cast have a separate movie to set up their character in order to have an ensemble movie. MCU pulled it off greatly but that's not the only way to introduce several characters as evidenced by Guardians 1 or either Spider-verse

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

I personally think eternals did a great job with this and it's one of my favorite things about that movie, but apparently that's a hot take so idk what do i know

[@matrixmdog]

​@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 I feel like eternals has a great premise for this just fumbled imo I think it would have served better as a TV show with each episode focusing on a different character in a different time period and have a connecting story throughout each episode

[@thefreerocketman5777]

The Suicide Squad as well!

[@gdottothegamer1001]

​@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 the biggest failure of that movie is that it was trying to be just a superhero movie in a time where people want more than just that. I'm with you, I think that it was pretty ok. Not the best but not the worst, still pretty enjoyable especially when we see them in action. But I can't lie that it was the most superhero movie out there and I'm getting kinda bored with it. Honestly the saving grace of that movie (to me) is the actions and the beautiful CGI. Hopefully they can do better in the next instalment

[@Kagiso22]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 I mostly enjoyed The Eternals, but I think they focussed on the wrong characters or rather did not make characters they did focus on interesting enough.

[@benquadrinaros8692]

Guardians should have revealed that the guy whose leg rocket stole was the main villain of 3 seeking revenge

[@henrygambles3652]

Also somehow they made the Spot go from a comedic joke villain into a somewhat unsettling villain, that scene where his colors got inverted and we saw the vision gave me a chill in My spine!

[@ritikamudabidri7680]

3:11 I feel like Spiderverse 3 is legitimately the first movie where I can say I genuinely don’t know where this could go. It’s so refreshing when a plot isn’t predictable.

[@MorKmbt]

Its a little bit weird to use Spiderverse to undermine Guardians as just franchise extension stuff since Spider-Gwen is getting a movie, Miles is getting a live action movie, and the movie itself ends on a cliffhanger without really ending satisfactorily on its own.

[@FullFatVideos]

Theyve said Miles story is done by part 3 so I'd imagine the live action version will be its own thing. I'm not undermining Guardians as I said in the video a bunch of times I like all three movies but they don't work as a standalone trilogy where Spider-verse will

[@kbreezy1581]

I hate this take that the movie doesn't end satisfactorily on its own. Sure it ended on a cliffhanger, but it offers two complete arcs to the two main characters, gwen and miles. Miles finally gained the confidence to be his own spider-man despite being told that he doesn't belong and he's a mistake, as well as finally being able to come out to his mother because he realised he is strong because of those he has around him. Then you have gwen who the movie begins and ends with, who finally found her own band and is moving forward with the support of her family, after struggling to open up to anyone since ITSV. The movie literally ends with her leading her new found band preparing to save miles, her one TRUE friend.

[@kbreezy1581]

Pointing out Spider-Gwen getting a movie and Miles getting a live action movie isn't really the gotcha you think it is when you consider that the Spider-verse trilogy still stands as its own thing, whereas the guardians trilogy was constantly forced to take the larger MCU into consideration with its story decisions.

[@Roache93]

​@@FullFatVideos criticism doesn't always mean bad! I enjoyed this point in the video as well. 👏

[@dave_the_slick8584]

@@FullFatVideos What do you mean they don't stand alone? Rocket has been the main character this entire time and there is a clear progression of him throughout.

[@sealionstudios8597]

I loved that GOTG 3 was in part a giant middle finger to the past Guardians appearances in the MCU and made it very clear that James hated what they did with his characters and wanted to complete his story his way. That's the kind of guy I want making comic book movies

[@spike5499]

how was it a middle finger to past appearances? Also he worked on every movie they appeared in lmao

[@Rose_Bride]

​@@spike5499 I'm with you. I, too, would like to know how _GotG 3_ was a supposed "giant middle finger" to ANYTHING.

[@sealionstudios8597]

​@@Rose_BrideYou had things like the fact that Star Lords mask doesn't appear in this movie because it was destroyed in the second GOTG film, he returns to Earth and they actually DO something with it and treat it like it's the first time he's been back even though he's already back on Earth in Infinity War and they did nothing with it in that movie. Some of the characters (like Drax, Mantis and Groot) were also subject to heavy flanderization in those Avengers/Thor films (something that the actors also agree with) so James took them all and made them badass again and totally faithful to the personalities he gave them. That's just a few but I'm sure I can think of more. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. We don't all have to like the same things or have the same opinions.

[@dimensionzone8048]

​@@sealionstudios8597 Bro what are you on about ? It was highly known that James Gunn was given full control over the guardians in IW and Endgame. Stop the cap

[@watermaster5154]

​@@dimensionzone8048 Keep coping

[@oliviastratton2169]

I agree with the general thesis that it's more difficult to build a satisfying stand-alone trilogy inside a larger franchise. But it's a little weird to say the Spiderverse films are a good trilogy when we haven't gotten the third film yet. For all we know, a future film will completely drop the ball. You could have easily made a video just like this when Guardians 2 came out saying that the Guardians trilogy was the best MCU trilogy because it was the most stand-alone. TL;DR: It's not over 'till it's over.

[@madtitanthanos7898]

EXACTLY. And it's a shared universe it's gonna overlap. Ppl complain all the time about DCEU being too standalone. He's just hating

[@hilosky]

We're comfortable calling it a satisfying trilogy because they've knocked it out of the park twice in a row now. It's a fairly safe bet, safer than any other franchise at the moment. Call it a healthy dose of optimism

[@dante6985]

It's an odd choice to use Across the Spider-verse, the second part in a trilogy, to undermine Gotg Vol. 3, a third part in a trilogy. We don't know how the Spider-verse trilogy is going to end yet. So, while it could be amazing, it could (as so many 3rd acts have before) fall flat on its face. We don't know for certain it will be better than GOTG Vol. 3, even. "A tightly wound trio of stories" COME ON dude, how do you know?!? I get that you want to use current movies to keep your content relevant... but it's an apples and oranges comparison. As "sequels", yes, GOTG Vol 3 depends on what happened in Infinity War and Endgame while Across doesn't have that extra content... but let's be honest, who's going to GOTG vol 3 who hasn't seen IW and Endgame? Your critique seems to be "to get the full viewing experience I had to watch 4 good movies before this one, not just 2" which is, in the end, an unnecessary critical litmus test to elevate an already amazing movie over a pretty good movie.

[@sovereigndayyouthkafir3943]

Disagreed: GUARDIANS 3 has characters I care about. This not only doesn't, but it's wrapped up in political propaganda to boot.

[@Thetom5000]

Funny thing is we ARE getting spiderverse spinoffs we're getting a Gwen spin off with Silk and Jessica Drew and a live action Spiderman Noir series and a live action Cindy Moon series

[@maskquerade3236]

Lmaoo I forgot

[@Ataru320]

I get what you're saying regarding how GotG was limited in being tied to a massive universe to tell it's trilogy and it definitely felt that way with the stuff that happened between 2 and 3. But I think in the end it did work out and Gunn tried to make it work as best as he could: Gamora's arc of finding her own way in 3 due to being her own person and not the one from 1-2 worked well with what he had, the Thor thing at least was resolved by the opening scenes of "Love and Thunder" (and at least snuck "Welcome to the Jungle" to the playlist), and the whole thing about Quill and Infinity War...eh, considering the stresses and how he was under a different group of writers and not Gunn, it at least works with a meta-commentary that he was "someone else". Obviously you can't just divorce it from the MCU like Spider-Verse is divorced and it's own thing as a Spider-Man story, but they made it work. And as messy as it was, the fact that Iron Man was so early on in the MCU made it work, even if they were just three big, dumb blockbusters with the last happening to be after the game-changer of the 2012 teamup. You can't really divorce Cap or their Spidey from it and even Thor even if that at least tried, but I can give some sympathies for the Iron Man trilogy.

[@philipajfry]

This is the not first time I've heard someone say the spider was meant for Prowler-Miles. I was under the assumption that Miles (all of them) was the 'anamoly' and that spider was meant for Peter from Universe-42. Any and all Mileses were not meant to be Spider-Man, hence I'm pretty sure there aren't any other Mileses in the Spider-Society or chase scene.

[@mitchellregan21]

That would make sense for this story. But then there’s Insomniac Miles and comic Miles, who aren’t anomalies because their powers came from their own universe.

[@philipajfry]

Perhaps some things to work out in Beyond the Spiderverse. Coulda sworn Miguel said the spider was meant for a Peter... Also they kinda gloss over Insomniac and comic Miles. The only other one we see is movie canon. Let's see what happens!

[@mr.bulldops_9352]

Not true at all

[@hilosky]

​@@philipajfryMiguel said the Peter who died in spider verse 1 (blond one) died saving Miles. He would have continued being spider-man if Miles wasn't there.

[@hilosky]

You can see in spider verse 2 when spot is explaining his back story that the spider gets srawn into main miles' universe just as it was about to bite Prowler Miles who should have definitely gone on to become spider-man in his universe. This is backed up by the fact that his universe has no spider-man.

[@kingpinpasta2934]

Oh and I really think Miles got under Miguel’s skin when he questioned whether Miguel was really a Spider-Man because of of the claws.

[@gavo7911]

Miguel doesn’t wanna admit it but him and Miles are equally anomalies

[@thedarkroom6416]

@@gavo7911 No

[@mechazoic]

@@gavo7911 I’d say Miguel is even more of an anomaly because he went into another universe by choice, what happened to Miles was an accident. A lot of Miguel’s hostility towards Miles could actually be misplaced anger at himself.

[@galientl4723]

@@mechazoicdude was projecting the entire movie

[@smurgerburger]

I mean, Miguel's hate would be pretty much justified considering the fact another universe didn't get a Spiderman. Miguel's universe already had a Spiderman, but he died due to old age. Miguel's is basically like reverse flash. Except he doesn't turn evil. Miguel didn't really cause anything bad to happen by becoming a spider man. whereas miles weren't supposed to be spider men in the first place. Another Miles was supposed to be a spider man. TL:DR Miquel is a stand-in for his universes Spiderman. Because that spider man lived a full life and died.

[@seiyoutscreator104]

The reason the spiderverse movies are so spectacular is how all the Spiderman variants have different unique styles to their character that doesn't conform to one universe. It would be dumb for that to suddenly change if they were to crossover among the reel world.

[@chasehedges6775]

Guardians Of The Galaxy 3 was still a good movie tho

[@blitz4779]

No one said it was bad

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@@FullFatVideos my pleasure. Great video man!

[@adamsucy6452]

No it’s not It’s great

[@Bat-Gos]

*Amazing movie

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge of their cinematic universe They can save it from AVI ARAD

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

Avi Arad has to be the biggest hack in comic book movie history.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 #IBlameAviArad

[@henrygambles3652]

@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 The Fact he let a Venom movie with Carnage be rated PG-13 still baffles me to this day! I don’t hate the final product but Carnage should be a villain who makes the audience repulsed and horrified, he should be pure nightmare fuel whilst he paints the town red!

[@madtitan0825]

@@henrygambles3652 it’s so weird that they finally allow Kraven to be rated-r but chicken out with Carnage, a character who obviously need rated-r like tf?

[@henrygambles3652]

@@madtitan0825 Yeah it makes no sense! My best guess is that Because Venom sells in terms of merchandise they thought they could pull the same with Carnage! That’s all I can think of!

[@harryfleutv666]

It’s sad that the Guardians are buckled under the weight of the mcu, I love both Across the Spider-Verse, but tbh I prefer Guardians 3 because it had a perfect send-off for the characters

[@sagan88824]

I'll be interested to see how Beyond addresses the intended Spider-Man of Universe 42, because I didn't take away that Miles 42 was meant to be Spider-Man either. I took Miguel to be saying there was a Peter equivalent in 42.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

If you look closely in the sequence where spot reveals he created Miles, you can see that the earth 42 spider was right next to dreadlocks/prowler Miles, so it probably was supposed to be him

[@bignoseandrew]

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Especially considering that in ITSV, Miles' colors are still green & purple after being bit, it's only after meeting Spider-Man that his colors change to red & blue. But to be fair, this is a whole lot of speculating and it could be entirely possible that Prowler Miles would have been Earth-42's Spider-Man

[@aliminator1310]

I like that this video isn't a JAB at Guardians 3. I never actually considered this, yet you managed to hit the nail on the head!

[@cameronfrye8311]

Don't diss gotg 3 bruh that movie was goated

[@FullFatVideos]

Sorry Connor Roy

[@laughstox3773]

Gotg 3 is so much better

[@shadowstrike234]

After watching the video i revise my initial thesis, this video slaps

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[@rftt6y7tr]

Am I the only one who saw this movie who didn’t know it was only part 1. What I saw looked beautiful 🤩 but the ending was when it just started to pick up.

[@Kagiso22]

Seemed a lot of people didn’t know this which is okay. I just know coz I keep up with way too much CBM news. It’s like how Infinity War and Endgame were supposed to be Infinity War Part 1 and Part 2. This was originally Across the spiderverse part 1 and part 2 as well

[@OverlyPositiveFanboy]

The moral of this story: ALWAYS watch Teaser Trailers.

[@berkeleykao1791]

gotg is more earnest and melancholic with better fleshed-out characters, more personal stakes, powerful emotional payoff and a heart-wrenchingly wholesome ending while ATSV is more of an animation showing-off imo. Gotg makes me laugh and cry and get various of feelings while ATSV makes me wow times to times. But I prefer genuine emotion.

[@a17gatlinggum19]

There are emotional moment in ATSV as well.

[@laughstox3773]

@@a17gatlinggum19 like what

[@davekisman2763]

ATSV is a masterpiece. But it has a bunch of mistakes: • ITSV: E-65 Peter died old. ATSV: He died young. • Gwen met Miles (with a different age and shirt) sooner at the end of ITSV. • ITSV: Captain Stacy wasn't buff. ATSV: He's buff. • Spot didn't glitch in other universes. • Miguel wasn't suppose to be buff before he broke a canon event. After he did, he trained hard to protect the multiverse.

[@TheNiggler17]

I love that the live action versions stay live actions, it makes more sense. If you are travelling across dimensions why would your molecular structure change. I would imagine if a 2d entity somehow traveled to a 3D earth they would stay 2d. It makes no sense they they would gain an extra dimension. The same applies the other way round

[@tytebben]

Both movies are absolutely amazing that’s one thing for sure

[@loganschainker6275]

GOTG 3 was actually a complete story

[@SirEvilestDeath]

At least Guardians had an ending

[@Luna-pk7gz]

There is literally no reason to compare the 2.

[@FullFatVideos]

I’ve got 16 minutes here that says otherwise xoxo

[@Luna-pk7gz]

@@FullFatVideos I mean what I'm saying is I find it pointless since both are great for completely different reasons and are quite different movies since Guardians 3 is a traditional act 1,2. and 3 movie that was fantastic, where across spider-verse felt like I watched an Act 1 and half a Act 2 that was brilliant

[@MistaAnonymous]

@Luna he's specifically comparing them in regards to how a trilogy is constructed and how the guardians trilogy suffers from beung apart of a cinematic universe, a very valid and interesting comparison.

[@Luna-pk7gz]

@@MistaAnonymous Guardians doesn't really suffer much, in fact it probably suffers the least from it out of the MCU movies.

[@arturocastroverde3349]

​@@MistaAnonymousto be fair, gunn have no option. The GOTG are still part of the mcu they obligatory apereance in the crossover was well, oblogatory

[@roam980]

*"They act like two legends cannot coexist"* - J. Cole

[@kenadams8385]

When Miles is glitching, it looks like it shows him in the red/blue spiderman costume he was wearing in the 1st film. Anyone else notice that?

[@vicentegeonix]

Gutg 3 has a better story than across the spider verse.

[@laughstox3773]

Agreed

[@hiimanhuman]

Why compare the two, they’re both cbms but VERY different.

[@FullFatVideos]

I’ve explained why. Don’t get why comparing things is such an issue for people nowadays. They’re movies!

[@thomasjohnson1885]

@@FullFatVideos personally I’d say comparing the MCU Spider-Man trilogy would work more since it’s entire creation is based on being placed in the middle of a cinematic universe reaching its conclusion so he has to bend to that

[@FullFatVideos]

If I compared the mcu spider-man movies to anything I would be getting death threats at this rate lmao

[@kevinjmccloy5865]

Across the spider-verse took me on a fancy, candle lit date, smothered me with affection, got me giddy then out of nowhere revealed a dark secret, backflipped before I could process the information then declared they’d explain later. Overall experience was mostly satisfying but a tad bloated- could have had some of the fat trimmed, a few jokes flew over my head due to the unbalanced sound mixing where the dialogue and score clashed like a mustafar dual, I unfortunately can’t say this is better than into the spider-verse but it has undoubtedly elevated the animation style from that movie and took it to new heights, so there is certain aspects that are better than the first but as an overall package the first is still the top dog. Overall the spider-verse movies comfortably sit in my top 5 spider-man movie ranking and I can’t wait to see beyond next year

[@ritikamudabidri7680]

14:06 I mean the spoderverse movies kinda explain that by showing Spider-people from different universes in different art-styles. So it would have been weird for the animated characters to turn into live-action ones when they’re in the live-action universes.

[@isaiahmasters3417]

I just realized a Spider-Man movie came out the same year as each guardians movie….

[@kieranleehamilton]

Love your videos brother, keep up the great work.

[@FullFatVideos]

Thank you my man!!!

[@thefreerocketman5777]

Fun thing abouth ATSV... it fixed/justified the Vulture cameo in Morbius. Who would've thought?

[@sethmachetedemeter]

I know that we don’t want the magic to be worn down with sequels and a bunch of spin-offs, but I really do need a Hobie and Pavitr spin-off, they played so well off of each other and I feel like I could watch a whole movie just with them.

[@giggigo]

man, that really bagel spot the hit.

[@spiralroad2327]

I think it’s interesting to see the consensus shifting around MCU Spidey. People were originally excited to see what Marvel would do with character instead of Sony, but he had to share his trilogy with big MCU stars like Iron Man or older actors like Tobey and Andrew. Where Spiderverse or Insomniac’s PS4 game (effectively a Sinister Six movie) gave fans more standalone narratives.

[@dimensionzone8048]

But that doesn't hold up with for one almost everyone loved NWH and a very excited for his 4th film espeically now that he's more or less on the path people wanted him to be on anyone. People aren't just gravitating towards only one or two iterations of Spiderman

[@madtitanthanos7898]

@@dimensionzone8048 tbf, MCU Spidey is a very accurate adaptation of original Stan Lee Spidey. Spidey hero worshipped the Fantastic four in his original run and frequently had them appear. Iron man just took over that role.

[@KurtisEllis]

Spiderverse has an advantage being an animated movie. I feel that live action movies are held at a different level of "loss for disbelief" I feel a animated movie can take on more ideas without becoming overwhelming as where watching a live action ties us to such "realism" that not all, but some, stories escape what you can tell in a realistic narrative

[@thavrisco1632]

This video uploaded while I was in the theater watching Guardians 3

[@dungusglumbus9946]

After spiderverse 3, I would actually love a solo Miles Morales movie that’s not connected to the other spider men. Miles is now tied with Peter Parker as my favorite Spider-Man, so I’d love it if he at least got 1 stand alone story. Same with Gwen. The first 20 minutes of spiderverse 2 are amazing. Gwen’s story is so interesting and the art style of her dimension is absolutely gorgeous

[@userlpI13645]

Miguel does fill the role of the architect in Across the spiderverse. Nice similarity to the matrix reloaded.

[@gluteusmaximus5094]

with ridge i will never get poor of keys again.

[@mauritja00]

I think I'm the only guy who liked gotg 3 a little more than spiderverse

[@berkeleykao1791]

gotg is more earnest and melancholic with better fleshed-out characters, more personal stakes, powerful emotional payoff and a heart-wrenchingly wholesome ending while ATSV is more of an animation showing-off imo. Gotg makes me laugh and cry and get various of feelings while ATSV makes me wow times to times. But I prefer genuine emotion.

[@mauritja00]

@@berkeleykao1791 a little more than just an animation show off, it's truly great, but yeah man gotg 3 is too incredible... Beyond the spiderverse has so much potential though

[@RayMcElroy50]

This proves that Spider-Man can be better without Disney

[@eshaandwivedi4921]

Only if they have the right people making the projects. You think people avi arad, Amy pascal and tom rothman can make movies as good as spiderverse on their own?

[@Zombiesnyder13]

​@@eshaandwivedi4921 #IBlameAviArad

[@davidpalillero29]

This proves that if Sony allows people like Phil and lord who understands the character can make something beautiful

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@davidpalillero29 #LordMiller4TASM

[@windghost2]

@@davidpalillero29 Absolutely agree here.

[@user-rn2cx4qq4e]

He said spider totem. I respect this guy

[@OverlyPositiveFanboy]

Everyone in the comments talking about Miles being Roger-Rabbit-ed into a live-Action crossover, whereas I wanna see Tom Holland Space-Jam-ed into BTSV. I bet his Peter would have an interesting reaction to the Spider-Society, since like Miles, he's also a Spider-Man who said "screw destiny."

[@captaincanaveral]

Feels like the whole interconnected movies + tv shows structure has run its peak, kinda like by the time the first Avengers came out, general audiences were becoming tired of every property trying to be dark and gritty like Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy

[@antonissa8345]

Gotg 3 made us cry... multiple times

[@ac14cmpunk25]

wierd comparion the obvious one is the Multiverse of Madness

[@FullFatVideos]

did you watch the vid Mr Goodman

[@ac14cmpunk25]

@@gazzadona so the empire strikes back sucks?

[@FullFatVideos]

WHAT? When did I say Empire sucks. Literally did not say that once

[@hilotakenaka]

To be honest, there’s only one thing I am dreading about the Spider-verse third film and that is how important canon events actually are On one hand, Miguel’s frenzy and Miles’ earnestness mean that having Miguel being right all along would feel like all of his actions throughout the film were justified, but on the other hand, because they’re called canon events then it might come across like a bunch of movie execs are saying that the canonicity of comics doesn’t matter. I think if they didn’t use the term “canon event” and instead replaced it with something else, there wouldn’t really be this dilemma, but perhaps I am also nitpicking a little.

[@thuranz2773]

As someone who hasn't seen Matrix Reloaded; I was comparing it to Back to the Future 2 with the ending.

[@thesatelliteslickers907]

honestly if the spiderverse chatacrers turned live action it would just be straight up wrong

[@Sjono]

One of my biggest pet peeves with the MCU is one when installment sets up a plot point, you wait years for the sequel to follow up on it, and then said sequel ignores it. For example at the end of Black Panther T’Challa says he’s going to start sharing his technology with the rest of the world. Yet in the sequel we see the country going back to its isolationist mindset. If the individual series can’t even get its own plot threads together, I have very little faith in the overall narrative of all the series trying to mesh with one another in any Phase 4 onwards as it did Phase 1-3

[@dimensionzone8048]

What are you talking about ? The movie literally shows us why they went back to an isolationist nation ? It's literally the 2nd main plot of the film and is shown at the beginning half of the movie lmao Just as they said multiple times in both the first and 2nd one the minute everyone finds out about Vibranium there going to take any chance they can to get some and that's exactly what happened. The counties were attacking the Wakanda International Centers across the world so they shut them down Why are you telling lies ?

[@LukePlaysGames]

Not sure that the idea of Mile's Spider-Sense changing from Prowler colors to Spider-Man colors is accurate. I know it's what everyone has been saying recently, and it would be a cool detail, however it starts Purple AND GREEN. Prowler has not an ounce of green anywhere in his character design. Seems like the idea is more just him syncing up with another Spider-Man, but not necessarily his destiny having started Prowler and changed to Spider-Man.

[@redravenrages6321]

I honestly thought the t-Rex Spiderman would be named “Jurassic Parker”. What a missed opportunity 🥲.

[@jaybird1381]

Green isn’t a prowler color but yeah… I always assumed it was because of the Green Goblin

[@paniniboy]

Hi matt, love the channel ❤

[@FullFatVideos]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@rstollenwerk]

the 42 spider probably wasn't meant for 42 miles, but for 42's Peter Parker.

[@amonguslover9205]

nope, it was meant for miles. when the spot was explaining what happened you can see a flashback of the spider about to bite 42 miles as you can see his braids, however their fates switched you can see it in the first movie when miles and peter meet they get the spider sense but miles' colours are the colours of the prowler until it changes to the spiderman colours, this shows that miles and 42 miles fates switched

[@kimorayn1733]

14:30 I think they can GLITCH as the IRL Voice Actors, forever tying them to these legendary characters while not distracting any kids who are wondering why Miles isn't on screen.

[@actualnotanewbie]

TBH Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 3 is so good I don't care that it's not part of a real trilogy

[@nicolasmarin6077]

8:20 I can't remember that well but this was interesting for me, I actually thought tha the spider was supposed to bit the Peter Parker from that universe. I kinda find weird that Peter (or variants of him) is spiderman in most cases but the spider from one exception to that miss the intended person and ended up with another non Peter person

[@sealionstudios8597]

Lord and Miller continue their campaign of kicking both the MCU and the DCUs asses with how to correctly build a Multiverse 🤟

[@magnetic9089]

Bro if I touch a bagel after this movie I might get my own suoervillian

[@lukemacmullan5027]

I just subscribed before watching the video for the sheer genius of the channel name

[@brobs0463]

What is it with Multiverse movies and bagels?

[@holbvgbbbbkfz]

Dark Knight had an animated film with Kevin Conroy as baan great film

[@motor4X4kombat]

yeah the more i think about it guardians dosn't feel as a personal trilogy like raimi spider-man or the dark knight because for everything gunn had to drag from the infinity saga to the the third part (even he admited he didn't have an idea from what to do with thor and adam warlock). Maybe thats the reason i preffer vol 2 over vol 3 because how much well it flow with the first one, plus i still cry with youndus funeral. Maybe thats the reason why matt reeves refuse to make a batman trilogy for the DCU, he wanted to make his own batman trilogy with spinn offs that only focus in his gotham world. And now that his story belong in elseworlds with todd phillips joker, let just say he dodge a bullet faster than superman

[@mattheendpod2659]

Nice nod to Kermode and Mayo

[@druew229]

Can't wait to watch soon.

[@druew229]

Finally Understood why "bagel" keeps popping up

[@oranjaz]

When the sun goes down easily

[@OverlyPositiveFanboy]

So, your pitch for El Muerto is basically The Man Who Killed Batman?

[@violetlavi2207]

8:59 but red and blue were never Miles’s Spidey colors, and Spidey sense can come in multiple different colors. That scene is Miles and Peter being in sync, not Miles’s destiny changing from Prowler to Spidey

[@henrymusic350]

Both are great movies

[@FullFatVideos]

I agree!!!

[@technocore1591]

It got me into theater... 3 times.

[@FullFatVideos]

Which movie? Hahah

[@tuc-kaankaraayan]

What kind of comparison even is that title lmao

[@parkerpshebnisky1051]

I loved them both!

[@robertturner7379]

I'd love it if/ when they hit the peak of despair and lost on what to do in beyond the spiderverse, they end up hiding in a universe and low and behold, here to give them the saving pep talk, in comes 1994 Christopher Daniel Barnes Spiderman (que Aerosmith theme)

[@markusschultz1149]

Guardians 3>

[@ShFred]

Everything wrong with GOTG is simply a fault of that cancerous tumor MCU verse franchise. How does Spider-Man manage to stay away from this? Easy, Sony holds the rights. They’ve managed to keep it so far apart from the rest of the MCU that they even made those Venom movies that are genuinely a crime against humanity with how bad the writing was. So even tho the character of Spider-Man is in the MCU, they can just go and say “f that, that was a different Spider-Man, now watch this!” GOTG couldn’t do that and it wasn’t its fault. It was destined to be this way and Gunn only did the best he could under those circumstances. Same as how everyone hated Spider-Man 3 but really all that movie was, was Raimi making the best movie he could make under the massive studio pressure to destroy the plot with more characters.

[@dhruvgeorge]

Talking about getting the characters in live action universe, won't it be horribly confusing if Spider-Gwen met Kate Bishop?

[@FullFatVideos]

Eh, we crossed that line when Gemma Chan was in Captain Marvel and then Eternals

[@freshstudios5533]

@@FullFatVideosthat’s completely different as gwens only physical difference from Kate is that she is blonde Gemma Chans captain marvel character had blue skin ffs her Sersi didn’t have blue skin

[@gbrogo7139]

0:16 don’t forget Logan and Wonder Woman

[@FullFatVideos]

both part of shared universes with essential chapters for each character in team ups. logan's trilogy is a spin off of three earlier films to begin with

[@gbrogo7139]

@@FullFatVideos right. I thought you just meant superhero movies. I meant no offense

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@FullFatVideos I see where you're coming from but Logan really only required knowing that the X-Men were a comic series from the 60s, everything else was pretty insular to the movie. I don't really see Origins, the wolverine, and logan as a trilogy the same way the first class trilogy was. They all released at completely different times and the lore was drastically reimagined in between them. Things like DOFP's retcon, Deadpool's solo movie, the fact that they just completely forgot about setting up Wolverine's yellow suit to be in DOFP I think shows that the first two are just completely separate from logan in terms of thinking of them together. Logan is a story that could've worked on its own with basically no changes. It's the story of a tired old man who is trying to forget his glory days as they're only reminders that he's no longer strong enough to protect those he loves, and a bunch of children who mythologize those glory days and want him to be something he believes he is no longer. All the Essex setup, the backstory of the X-Men, it's really rendered insignificant. They don't focus on it, they really try to keep it as vague as possible. The emotional beats will hit just as hard if you remember growing up with those comics in the 60s as they will if you've watched every X-Men movie as they will if you've never touched the franchise in your life

[@FullFatVideos]

No offence taken!!!

[@LeeoJohnsonTV]

There's probably a parallel universe where we are all animated. So if you and I were to interact with that universe, why would they suddenly become live-action like us? That's not how science works. Other than that, great video and amazing research as well. You helped me view GotG 3 in a whole nw light (while I disagree on making Gamora the same as that wouldn't make sense either). Small things to a giant tho.

[@jordansweet8054]

Great video and i loved both of these movies but here's my responses. 1. The Gordon/Gamorra comparison isn't fair. The Dark Knight trilogy isn't built for people to come back from the dead or time travel so that would be a universe breaking issue, not a plot issue. Since we established that literally anything can happen in the MCU, it's not that much of a stretch. 2. They've confirmed they're doing a Spiderverse Female movie ,A Spider Noir series and spinoffs so it's not like they're being that stand alone. 3. Gunn being fired and the pandemic delays would have gotten in the way of the trilogy you described before being an MCU movie would've hurt it. 4.Starlord not having his mask? Who actually cares? Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's but that the definition of a nitpick. I'm still enjoying positive superhero discourse here so I'm here for it all.

[@MrProdigy810]

Glass trilogy is also a super hero trilogy

[@maxwellcannon8999]

How do we know that the spider would've bit the miles from earth 42?

[@cael4065]

Because of the Spot flashback showing 42 miles near the spider

[@Nick_Skywalker]

I don't get the point of some channels just comparing Spider-Verse to other movies like this when Spider-Verse and GOTG have different boundaries they can go to with the different worlds they're in essentially

[@TikiTaka94]

pretty sure that the spider was meant to universe 42's Peter

[@FullFatVideos]

There’s a freeze frame where you can see it about to go for earth 42 miles before it gets pulled out

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

it'd make no sense now to have them live action. it'd be jarring, they already established the rules, they are animated and live in those universes

[@Zombiesnyder13]

If Marc Webb doesn't return for TASM3 Then Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER direct and produce the movie They can save it from AVI ARAD, just like they did with SPIDER-VERSE

[@FlameThrowerDuck]

Not to defend his past decisions. but Avi Arad was the one who wanted spot to be the villain of this one

[@thomasjohnson1885]

Dude just shut up, Avi Arad is…odd but he’s also done a lot for Spider-Man. They’re never making TASM 3 (I’ll be proven wrong in like 3 years probably)

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@thomasjohnson1885 Laura Ziskin had done more for Spider-Man than Arad could never imagine There's nothing he would do unless if it helps him to sell toys

[@Lex_Nocturna]

Personally the movie was great , but i hate cliffhangers . Now , we wait

[@mechashadow]

I dunno your statement about no spinoff feels rather short sighted since they're really trying to push a live-action/animated crossover movie spinoff in the future.