Actual Crash Flight Takeoff Footage. Dan and Glenn - Lockheed 12A

The purpose of the flight was just a simple evening flight to confirm everything good, but also to show the flap position indicator and using the checklist to verify that the flaps are up before takeoff. This had been the fatal error in the California 12A crash just days prior to this.
The tailwheel locked or unlocked on Takeoff or Landing doesn't really matter, and the early 12A's were built without the feature. A locking tailwheel is sometimes handy for long straight taxi in crosswind, but actually a huge hinderance during normal takeoff and landing.

[@daveringwalt5055]

Not truthful to use the words “actual crash”. There was no crash in this video.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Read the title. The crash did not happen on takeoff. I assume a basic level of knowledge by viewers about the story, but maybe I shouldn't. The landing was not filmed in any way. This is same flight, but it is all I have. This is the ACTUAL CRASH FLIGHT TAKEOFF FOOTAGE.

[@williamsaldanah3554]

Honestly I thought it was also, I know it happened just not when during the flight. That being said thank you God for getting everyone home to their families. Dan has a great channel and I’ve learned so much here!!🫡

[@jdhaase1417]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryderdidn’t mislead me. Faithful follower. Glad you guys lived to fly another day.

[@Dcscockpit]

Apparently you don’t follow his channel? Or you’d know the story, all of us that subscribe knew we weren’t seeing a crash

[@dburton7929]

Ignorance is bliss….. happy now?

[@julzb7165]

It's a startling reminder just how quickly life can change. Glad the three of you are alive and recovering to tell the tale.

[@flybobbie1449]

Friend died today in Cub. Just about to take pension on birthday few weeks. Just moved new home. All heart breaking.

[@Patriot36]

Interesting how dishonesty is universally shunned until it comes to a video title on KZbin, then all of a sudden there's some kind of fudge factor where neighborly decency is concerned. 167 comments and 123 thumbs up to the person who said, "there was no crash in this video." Your excuse.. "read the title." Yeah, not intentionally misleading at all, Dan. The things people can justify to themselves during this temporary little stay in the flesh here on Earth... truly impressive sir.

[@DeereX748]

I understand the purpose of this flight was mainly to show the flap indicator and switch, referenced to the crash on takeoff of the other 12A a couple of weeks previous. Pilot is obviously competent and familiar with this plane's flight characteristics and checklists were followed. Too sad about the other end of this flight.

[@AlanToon-fy4hg]

Shoulder harnesses might have come in handy on this flight...

[@hankharty9673]

I noticed they were missing. Never a bad idea to have and use shoulder harnesses. They can be life savers, or in Dan's case, face savers.

[@commentatron]

@@hankharty9673 So true. By the way, the Japanese are never without shoulder harnesses.

[@johncarter1137]

@@hankharty9673 You can't mess that pretty face up.

[@alanm8932]

​@@hankharty9673IIRC Dan's assessment was that the tree pushed the pannel etc that was in front of him, into his face. It wasn't that he bent forwards at the waist until he hit the panel. So the outcome for his face would have been the same even with a shoulder harness. Maybe one day someone can climb back into his seat in the wrecked plane & get a photo of where the metalwork ended up relative to someone in that seat.

[@Bill3558]

Omg, no shoulder harness. They saved my life in a crash a couple of years ago. N121YT.

[@wicked1172]

I am so glad that you both are here to talk about the event.

[@2345allthebest]

Since I was aware the crash occurred on the landing.... I was fully cognizant of the fact that this would not show a crash...... Sorry those looking for thrills were disappointed.... Thanks for posting

[@dennistucker9081]

@@2345allthebest Thank *you*.

[@mixmaxermixer8005]

Any update on the brake failure? I'm speculating it could have had something to do with retracting and lowering the gear. You indicated previously that a brake pedal test may have shown a spongy pedal. Would the pedal test have needed to be done after lowering the gear? How does the FAA accident investigation work in this incident? Are they calling it a ground loop? Did they impound the plane? or did it just go back in Glen's hanger? Maybe a video on the investigation process?

[@TerribleFire]

The tailwheel was not locked on landing. Either it was missed or on the checklist or the lock broke. You can see it spin after it hits the ground.

[@WillaHerrera]

What a beautiful plane but I'm just happy that you guys had such great people nearby to save your lives. The man with the water truck will be my hero forever for saving your lives.

[@Kenjh71]

Chilling to watch, but thankfully it all ended as good as it could have. Take care, Dan. Greetings to Glenn and Jpilot.

[@alk672]

Yeah that is a small airfield to fly that thing out of. One thing goes wrong and it’s over. And of course ironic how focus on one thing lead to the pilot missing the other. Flap indicator checked - tail wheel lock missed. I know Dan doesn’t care about locking the tail wheel, but the pilot always locked it on previous flights from what I understand. Flying with another person is already a distraction in itself. Whenever I’ve made a serious mistake flying - that was almost always an instructional flight with a CFI saying things in my ear.

[@mixmaxermixer8005]

I believe you can see in the video that the tailwheel lever is in the lock position on rollout. Read the NTSB Preliminary report. "The tailwheel control lever was found in the locked position, but the locking tab mechanism on the tailwheel assembly was unlocked"

[@alk672]

@@mixmaxermixer8005 apparently that’s unlocked position, it’s a weird airplane

[@edbenelli5374]

How are you healing up? Hang in there, Dan!

[@solarnaut]

2:10 "and I just want to be on record saying Dan picked the hottest day of the year . . . so far." - - - unfortunately, it's about to get A LOT HOTTER . . . Lesson Learned,, ALWAYS aim to crash near a hero with a water truck ! B---)

[@pittss2c601]

That tree line is so close. Those trees in Georgia scare me. Lots of trees everywhere. I'm used to flat farm land.

[@AbandonedClassicsOne]

Agreed - you’d have to really be on it if you lose one at the wrong moment. Not a lot of margin for error

[@alanm8932]

Yeah, some of those KZbin videos of drug smugglers flying out of barely cleared jungle aren't so different to that rather narrow strip!

[@On-Our-Radar-24News]

Wheres the meat and potatoes? The crash flight recording?

[@ironnads7975]

He clearly explains that in the pinned comment...every comment besides yours talks about it ...no observation skills huh?

[@On-Our-Radar-24News]

@@ironnads7975 And yet you still had to edit your comment..🤣..moron.

[@bradsanders407]

​@@ironnads7975i observed a thumbnail that said "actual crash video". Then i obseved a video that did not in fact have a crash in video. I shouldnt have to read through comments to find out why i was lied to.

[@xDefender11]

The landing video miraculously disappeared?

[@classicalroach]

I think Jenny confiscated it

[@scheidtenatorgaming]

It never happened. His video was going to be about checklists. He said that there weren't cameras rolling the last part of the flight.

[@812MSS]

@@scheidtenatorgaming lol!!! Right - he records everything.

[@jpoconnor5744]

No cameras were running for the last half of the flight.

[@scotty657]

Lol😂

[@exoticflorida2360]

Clickbait 🙄

[@2345allthebest]

Look for thrills elsewhere

[@exoticflorida2360]

@@2345allthebest “Actual hot dogs sold here!” Hi, I’m here for a hot dog. “Look for hot dogs elsewhere, but please click our customer counter on the way out for the algorithm.”

[@jkclassy3643]

No

[@Coops777]

What a beautiful airplane. The panel looked amazing too.

[@cal-native]

People are saying the title was click baity, yet it was completely clear to me. Dan has already stated in previous videos that he did not have any footage ftom the excursion, and he clearly stated that this was TAKEOFF footage from the crash flight. Please read all the words and don't be so quick to jump to conclusions that might support an agenda.

[@Maur1c1oQ]

Nonsense. He knew what he was doing when he included the words “actual crash” and “footage” in the title.

[@artistnumber12]

We are nothing but very soft and wet creatures wrapping ourselves in heavy, sharp potential energy filled crushing metal.

[@artistnumber12]

Cheers

[@alanm8932]

Aren't you describing a Dalek? ("Dr Who" UK TV series).

[@artistnumber12]

@@alanm8932 well had to do some research but, yeah.👍

[@AaronWbirdman]

What a beautiful cockpit!

[@svpatl]

I learned how to slip a cherokee at that airport with my instructor Von Hickman at the time..

[@joncox9719]

Well Groot, I see the orange bracket that gave you the beauty mark. People should be aware of aftermarket devices which could be very harmful in event of a hard landing or crash. Our company one time fabricated some home made "brackets" to place your headset on when not in use. That really bothered me because I told them, in event of an accident, they could injure a person much worse than if they were not there, they ended up re-locating the bracket to the bulhead behind the pilots and co-pilots seat. That orange bracket looks much sturdier than the stainless sheet metal brackets we fabricated! Looks like it could have punctured a normal person's skull. Glad you have a hard head! 😱🤣😂 Haa! Love Ya Man! Be careful and so glad to see you recovering!

[@takman03]

Hey that’s JPilots Dad.

[@ragheadand420roll]

A good man shares the truth.

[@812MSS]

Which explains why we didn't get it.

[@jsfernald]

I'm glad there was NO crash, but why did the title say "Actual Crash Flight"......???

[@jimw1615]

With the location of the flap extension knob as well as the flap position indicator, I can see why one can easily miss having full flaps extended without one paying attention to the takeoff/go around checklist for that particular item.

[@cheatham777]

That aluminum dash only an inch from y’all’s knees is gonna hurt

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

It did.

[@superwhuffo1]

WTF?!? There was no crash.. had Dan lost his mind!?!

[@hotrodray6802]

Try to read... Slowly...

[@z31beck]

It must be wild to go through life thinking other people are supposed to guess what you will misread and assume, and should cater to that specific scenario.

[@alexmikhael5061]

are you doin a LIVE TODAY 18 aug 2024 ???? I remembered in time I think!!!

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

He said takeoff, good enough for me.

[@GuyFromSC]

Nice DG. So does this mean Jennifer finally coughed up the GoPro? I told her stop letting her son bring it school. 😂

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

no she still has it....

[@GuyFromSC]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryder Say less. I’ll keep nagging her then.

[@GuyFromSC]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryder Say less, I’ll keep hounding her then. To just mount it up in her kids tree house so she can spy on her children… NOT COOL. 🤣

[@texastyrannyresponseteam794]

Nice unit... Thx DG.... Its a shame it got bent..

[@2K9s]

How’s Glen recovering?

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

We are all three doing fine, it has been 7 weeks since the crash and all of us are doing good. It will be a while before I have use of my left leg again but it is just a matter of time.

[@2K9s]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryder Good to hear, thanks.

[@Dennco2000]

You never never think it will happen to you… except for my wife she always expects us to crash 😂

[@Dcscockpit]

Didn’t you already upload this? I feel like I already watched this footage

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

I used a piece of it in a previous video

[@Lion_McLionhead]

Tight squeeze next to all those trees. A bit of foreshadowing in that shot.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

[@captainbob2738]

No shoulder straps? Does the aircraft have a 5 point harness, crotch strap?

[@JSFGuy]

Well now, I got a notice on this one.

[@connor4787]

I don’t think anyone is contesting the point that having the tailwheel locked was critical for the take off, the point being made is that the purpose of the flight was to show that proper checklist usage would have prevented the other Electra accident and that improper checklist usage in YOUR flight (failing to lock the tailwheel) contributed to YOUR accident.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

There is no proper checklist for the 12A. The OEM didn’t include one in 1936 because it didn’t have one in 1936. All checklists that you have seen were artificial creations by individuals, not the OEM and I’ve seen it go both ways. I personally prefer unlocked for takeoff in 12A or BE18

[@connor4787]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryderinteresting, I didn’t know that was the case. Were there printed checklists in the cockpit during the flight? And if so what did they say? Edit, very glad you’re both well. Scary situation

[@JS-jb7is]

​@ProbableCause-DanGryder so you did the take off checklist but didn't lock the tailwheel on landing checklist? Surprised with you having so much time on the pulpit you would drop the ball on the landing checklist.

[@sgs1262]

The crash of the YB-17 in 1935 was one of the reasons checklists were implemented. So although checklists are common place today they were not in the early days of aviation. That probably explains the lack of a formal checklist in aircraft of that era.

[@mikeryan6277]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryderwhy are people hung up on the Tailwheel ? The way I see it is you fly the tail on takeoff so it doesn’t matter then and on landing you have diff breaking the problem arises when one break grabs and the other doesn’t.

[@obamabigears734]

Tree, Rock, Airplane, - Tree wins every time.

[@stewartsmith1947]

The antique I owned did not have a MM, parts, manual, POH and PF checklist .

[@beaversixniner]

That is a very nice airplane

[@Jonnydeerhunter]

Was

[@morgandollar7146]

Inspector Clouseau: "Not anymore."

[@grumman38]

Equipped with shoulder harnesses or no?

[@rebeccahanson9864]

Dan do you know anything about the flight that killed the Nelons or 7 people in campbell cnty wy last Friday?

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Yes

[@karronlaneNOLA]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryder will you publish a video about it? i hope you're feeling better dan.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

Thanks. Yes I will.

[@obamabigears734]

Why wasn’t the tail wheel in locked position? Not part of the landing checklist?

[@theresacaron4238]

Hi Dan, I'm sure you miss your DC-3. On that subject will you be purchasing a twin to help Dylan build hours and assist in his training for airline hiring?

[@mikeg8630]

That Lockheed Electra Jr. is so much nicer. After seeing it, I thought he should sell the DC, before he did.

[@BogacErkan]

Damn this age of lies and deception. And I hate commenting also contributes to that.

[@arthurfoyt6727]

Probable Cause: Dan Gryder

[@AlanMydland-fq2vs]

no trees around for takeoffs and landings

[@sanfranciscobay]

What were the Injuries to the people?

[@ecomandurban7183]

Dan greetings from Durban South Africa

[@sanfranciscobay]

Is there a published video of the Crash?

[@alanm8932]

The link below shows video taken of the landing & crash, from the side of the runway. It shows the tail wheel touching down then briefly lifting off & the tail wheel swinging to the left (indicating it isn't locked at that time) before it touches down again. The aircraft veered off the runway to the left. Dan has said that the tail wheel didn't contribute to the accident, which was caused by hydraulic leak on the right main gear brake, after maintenance. (Hydraulic union possibly slackened by olio compression on landing or during gear retraction/extension). kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWfVl3eqjqtjqZosi=4ac1xgKVvy18qHtJ If the link doesn't work, search "DAN GRYDER'S ELECTRA CRASH FOOTAGE" published 19 June 2024 on John Smith's Aviation (KZbin)

[@sanfranciscobay]

@@alanm8932 The link works. Video shows the landing but not the crash. Are there photos online that show the damages to the Airplane?

[@bradsanders407]

Aaaaannnddddd thats a good way to not get subscribers

[@erintyres3609]

I didn't see a crash, but his credibility dipped a little.

[@jeffleverence4554]

Dan saves lives by reminding pilots to Keep airspeed high and in a safe zone to keep from stalling and spinning. His credibility is just fine. Read more carefully.

[@thomasmckendry8566]

Oh for crying out loud….

[@kirtflesher1603]

Clickbait. No crash video.

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

The crash didn’t happen on takeoff. This is the crash flight takeoff.

[@joshilini2]

And where's the landing footage Mr Dan?

[@ProbableCause-DanGryder]

@@joshilini2 I did not film the landing.

[@joshilini2]

@@ProbableCause-DanGryder But landing is the best part of flying 😎

[@seoceancrosser]

Where’s the tail wheel lock at?

[@wintercame]

😄 First sentence, second paragraph of video profile. Or are ya pullin' my leg?

[@christopherblack3102]

“ Takeoff checklist complete “ but you’re just going by memory with no actual checklist and totally forgot about locking the tail wheel, which this pilot has always checked and locked himself in his own videos 🤔 Too fixated on the flaps 🤦‍♂️

[@mikeg8630]

One wheel had brakes, one didn't.

[@rogerturner5504]

After these prangs you are having, the skies are trying to tell you to pack in flying and stick to your desk and BDM.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

Most Garbage jet ever

[@cpy]

Let me add the word crash into the title, get some more clicks

[@drichi07]

Or to check reading comprehension.

[@markbailey6051]

HOT DAN SUPER DAN

[@AjGalloway95]

Gosh dang

[@mosaici.t.s8766]

Actual no video of crash...nice work ckibaiting there fellas. You are now officialy a influencer thot,

[@kmg501]

Reread the title, he clearly states that it is the take off footage. Everyone who has followed this story knows that the crash happened when they were landing.

[@henrywinston6225]

Clickbaiting is a good way to get a lot of views. Impressive!

[@chriswilliams8607]

clickbait.... why are you doing this ?

[@timrainger8908]

Stop with all the un needed callouts.

[@jimw1615]

Which are the "unneeded"? Yours and mine?