Actually the Best Ergo Mouse of 2023?

[@bung0o]

cmon bruh I bought the vaxee outset AX moments after I saw your review which was last night, now I see the title to this vid? Killin me out here xD Those photo comparisons were great though, really shows the minor differences in the shape

[@jusuiNen]

Huge fan of the eS version. Hand meats touch the mouse in very similar way than EC2-A. The mouse is made for my 18x10.5 hands. Really nice claw control and back palm support. LED screen is rly nice feat. when testing different settings which one r the best for u. I found out that 800dpi, 2khz and motion sync on is my preferred settings when comes to this mouse.

[@ohimdabiggestbird]

what is your opinion on the "ninjutso sora 4k" and do u recommend me getting it? if not what do u suggest? and what are its mentionable flaws

[@Mike220111]

I have the Xlite v3 es, and it's the shape I like over the deathadder of V3 Pro. I've been using the Razor stuff for more than nine months, and something always bothers me back in my mind. I was like, damn, I wish this Deathadder V3 pro would be the size of the Zowie EC2 do love The shape of the mouse. It fits perfectly with my hand. I'm thrilled. Yeah, there are some Kinks that I can say about the coating on mines, but the build quality is good. There are no issues with side Creeks or any rattling inside the mouse itself. The side buttons are better than the V2 but could be improved. I'll take improvements over not doing anything about it compared to your Pro Superlight 2. How's everything with you, man? Sorry about what happened that you lost to United Jesus. What's going on with Chelsea man? They are finally asleep.

[@ghosstfps]

My unit came and it wasnt loud while flicking and no rattling sounds inside

[@RathOX]

This or the lamzu thorn, atm i use the RVMSE.

[@mike_nba]

Thorn

[@gauss_wyo]

thorn is awkward big hump - small ergo

[@RathOX]

@@gauss_wyo i shall but both and see. I have the rvmse so small is alright

[@OblivionDust2719]

yo house whats your main right now man?

[@Tryc3]

ur hair looks great today

[@dex-andre8971]

unfortunately there are qc issues, im on my third xlite v3 eS now and its the only one with no problems so far. Lets wait and see bc after a week my first unit developed a charging issue

[@eidolon8816]

Do you have like a recommended list of mice for hand sizes? I'm trying to find something better than G pro for my 19.5cm hands that is Ergo. I've tried over 20 top mice from 2022 and still cant find anything I like :/ EC1 DAv3 are too large, Glorious D minus is too small. Honestly, an ergo G pro superlight where they just change the shape ever so slightly towards ergo would be solid.

[@windfail]

I notice no EC-CW shape comparison.. did you get rid of your copy already XD

[@catart2633]

would you be reviewing the wlmouse beast x?

[@poonzy7112]

how about compared to the deathadder ?

[@D0WnL0DeR]

Waiting for Xlite v3 es size 3, size 2 is smaller than my DAV3.

[@IStratz]

I'm glad you went over the differences in latency from driverless vs the normal one. I was always curious if there was a meaningful improvement in polling stability not having to go through software. If I wasn't so broke, I would probably pick this one up just to try out a really good ergo. But I am anxiously waiting for the X2H Mini eS whenever that releases (hopefully soon next year).

[@WARnTEA]

He mis-spoke, software-less mice don’t perform better. Also all mice require a driver to be running to function. Almost no mice require software to run in the background, since they all have onboard storage for mouse settings on modern mice. The reason the ES version is slightly faster probably had something to do with the quality of components used. If I recall correctly the ES can do 8k wired because it has a second MCU on the PCB that is there just to handle wired 8k polling. This is something that even Razer mice can’t do because the wireless MCU used to achieve 4/8k wireless isn’t capable of running hi-speed usb, which is the usb bandwidth needed to achieve 8k polling.

[@IStratz]

Interesting. I did run into an issue before with the viper mini SE (when I still owned it got rid of it) where the polling stability was either terrible or the higher polling wasn't working at all with the Razer software closed. I checked it in mousetester and there were massive inconsistencies in the graph when the software wasn't opened. That's interesting info though on the 8k MCU. Makes sense in that regard. @@WARnTEA

[@ApparentlyPeter]

​@@WARnTEAxlite v3 es can indeed do wired 8k

[@hausgaming]

​@@WARnTEA Not sure where you think I mis-spoke, I can't find a part where I would've said that "software-less mice perform better". The eS version being better has nothing to do with the different components, as I mentioned in the video, the difference comes from firmware!

[@WARnTEA]

@@hausgaming You said "driver-less" and thats where you were wrong. The software used to change settings is not a driver. The driver goes in between the hardware and the software, and runs no matter what. No mouse can be driver-less because if it didn't have a driver, it wouldn't work. The person I was responding to was confused by your words "driver-less" and was trying to apply logic that all mice that are "driver-less" are faster. This is obviously not true, especially because there is zero difference between being able to control a mouse's settings through software or through hardware buttons. The settings get stored in the onboard memory, how you changed those settings doesn't matter. This is why I theorized that the ES version is likely using better components that led to it having a slight latency improvement, due to it having 2 MCUs on the PCB to handle wireless and wired.

[@EnzAlbo11]

No rattling on my unit and its very good feels perfect on the hand !

[@TinyEle]

I picked up the Thorn to replace my v2, hated it, Clicks and mouse shape felt so bad to me compared to my v2. I ended up picking up the v3 on release to try and see if I just wasnt enjoying the Thorn and have been very happy with the jump from the v2 to the v3. End of the day, its nice to have such quality option for ergo mice. I know a lot of people prefer the clicks of the thorn, but something about the pulsar optical switches just feels better to me.

[@kennethng9653]

Hand size?

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

Yea thorn and v2 / v3 are very different shapes. If you gave the thorn more time you would see that it kind of “gets close” it has the consistency of other ergos but its missing the microadjust ability other ergos have (and other ergos keep the consistency while also having microadjust room) so really no upside to the thorn. Maybe if you claw gripped? Not sure.

[@Oky1y]

@@WorldKeepsSpinninhi do you think that I should get the lamzu thorn or the pulsar xlite v2 ?

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@Oky1y v2 in my opinion

[@augustjim]

lamzu, pulsar, and razer sources their optical switches from raesha, so the performance of the switches are similar. lamzu thorn is a tad smaller compared to the xlite v3 medium so your preference may just be tailored for larger mices.

[@jayrocs]

Does the white Xlite V3 coating get as dirty as the black? I have a Model D Pro 2 and the coating there stays clean but I notice in your videos and my own copy that the black coating seems to retain the skin moisture and oils. It looks very ugly to me and bothering me enough to want to return it and use the Model D Pro 2 instead even though I prefer the Xlite V3. So if the white stays cleaner, meaning it doesn't retain that moisture and oil like the black ones do, I might get that. From your video the white looked cleaner.

[@espgodson]

No qc issues at all with my eS version, hate how the mousewheel feels though it’s like it makes steps lighter

[@Tweetykrk97]

The new zowie za12 shape is? Can u help me ?

[@granttcg]

My V3 eS raddles a little but if I hold the scroll wheel in place it stops so seems like it’s related to the scroll wheel on my unit at least.

[@drewmorg.]

thanks for info, deal breaker for me !

[@pedronietsh]

by the way, whats your ranking in CS2 premier?

[@razvanmuresan6683]

My pulsar xlite v2 has double clicking problems and does not even work wireless anymore. it works for a few minutes and then diconnects. But the shape and weight are perfect

[@Cirkularr]

Is this just a lightweight EC?

[@DeFaultGaming]

Excellent review as always but no better than your hair! 👀😎

[@vknazev]

Bro what resolution you usd in cs?

[@Throwaway-hj2rr]

What are your opinions on the shape vs Zowie EC2-CW? You mentioned it does not feel exactly the same, so I am wondering what the difference is in feel beyond the coating.

[@fwabble]

EC2-CW is a SUPERB mouse for £69.99. (AT MOST)

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@fwabbleoh thats cool, too bad the mouse is 150$ and you wont be getting it for 70$.

[@gauss_wyo]

@@fwabble Man I really want ec2-cw for 70 euros too

[@TheVitallight]

What is STD meaning ?

[@angeltear2145]

Maybe i got lucky, but my X2h ES has no rattle, nice clicks etc

[@myvmk1]

Ergo so comfy

[@AINGIRY]

Can confirm my eS does not rattle at all. Loving the damn thing so much!

[@echos4240]

Still not sold on Pulsar's optical switches they are just so mushy

[@bL1tzyCS]

Atm. don't buy the eS-version rn. Wait until they release a fiimware update to fix the "Not charging up/display not showing the right battery status" issue.

[@yoshi555king]

Haus once again coming in hot with facts and real testing

[@EdmundAlley]

EC3 CW still the best

[@T0xic2702]

I have the rattle on my eS also.

[@umaTTbr0]

🔥

[@TrynaBeCray]

Even though the xliteV3 eS is supposed to be "driverless" meaning onboard only settings, having it work with the pulsar software or on board, would be the icing on the cake, for keybinds/macros etc.

[@paul2609]

My eS copy doesn't rattle.

[@kingsmod8777]

Glorious O2 PRO has better click latency and a rock solid build.

[@kingkkool126]

I want aluminum scroll wheel normalized man. it feels so much better and much more premium looking. The one on MX Master 3 is amazingly smooth and quiet in comparison to plastic one on G Pro superlight.

[@chvtney]

my latest ergo tests.. Razer Dav3 = 4-5 task in taskmanager while software is activate without software no info about the Hz change Puls. Xlite ES = no tasks in taskmanager. perfect mice in my opinion only one loved funct. missing (angel snapping) Lamzu Thorn= all what the Xlite offers + angle snapping (because of software) and only 1 task in manager.. my fav

[@FalconMan91]

which one has the best spammable clicks?

[@chvtney]

Test Valorant, Vandal= xlite ES= really sensible, while I click xlite shoot 2 bullets. (Not double click) just the button itself. dav3= the most accurate clicks In my opinion. One click is one bullet. Thorn= accurate like dAv3. Ligtger then dav3. (My favourite)

[@gmil47]

I must be in the minority cause I’ve tried multiple of the last few pulsar releases and I always end up selling them because of how much I dislike the feeling of their optical switch implementations. I much preferred the huanos in the rfp and Boardzy versions.

[@nonri500]

I love my Pulsar mice and their aesthetic/design choices. The clicks however, I must agree. Opticals don't feel thar great.

[@mike_nba]

Typical qc issues from Pulstrash

[@WARnTEA]

The Oled screen should have a near zero impact on weight, battery life, and the price. The oled they use is a very cheap watch oled, it costs like $3 because its always easier to make smaller low resolution screens than large/high ppi ones. Oleds also don’t use any battery life when the screen is off because oleds actually turn off the pixels to display black color. Finally, oled screens weight like nothing, its basically a couple pieces of paper. I don’t have the exact number, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the oled screen weighed less than 1gram. With that being said, an oled screen on the bottom of the mouse doesn’t really make sense to me as I would rather have the screen on the dongle, where it’d be easier to monitor battery health.

[@thedanishdudeson]

"press 3" apparently ur gay when ur pulling right.

[@xinnex8473]

V3 eS for me currently the best mouse on the market especially for cs2.

[@fwabble]

No.

[@IStratz]

Guess someone can't have a best mouse for themselves anymore @@fwabble​

[@seeds1.]

​@@fwabbledid u miss the part where he said it was his opinion

[@Matt54321]

Where did he say that?

[@seeds1.]

@@Matt54321"v3 eS FOR ME"

[@SlickSniper3]

Pulsar qc is horrendous. Hard pass.

[@casull2041]

xlite v3 es qc is pretty good from what i've seen, idk doe i wanna get one myself but also worried about pulsar qc history

[@casull2041]

xlite v3 es qc is pretty good from what i've seen, idk doe i wanna get one myself but also worried about pulsar qc history

[@BlackRay313]

Xlite v3 es has really solid QC , not one of my 5 units has issues , with rattle or flex ( i have 5 because i give away 3 for Christmas)

[@joelconolly5574]

Who said? Did you bought it?

[@MyOpinyin]

it feels like that would be impossible with how popular pulsar mice are till I remembered that my x2(red) started doubleclicking after 5 days. thankfully software mostly fixes it, but I think I'll swap in huanos

[@escalanor]

first

[@sweetroll9968]

what in the ACTUAL F is this accent lmao

[@fwabble]

Thorn is better. And Steelseries did that screen 15 years ago - literally, FIFTEEN YEARS ago. the Xlite v3 looks like a decent mouse but for 2024 it REALLY IS, just, a decent mouse - anyone raving about this is a clown and a shill. It's a worthwile adition to a few solid ergo's (there's less ergos than ambis these days) - and THAT'S IT. And the AS X3 clowns them all for £33. They're all an utter scam.

[@Brankokovac]

I don’t think pulsar was passing it off as an innovation, if anything they were inspired to make a competitive mouse with proven features, like steel series showed us

[@IStratz]

Just out of curiosity, what makes the Thorn better to you?

[@voxuuu9551]

@@IStratz I recently bought a thorn and i think beacuse the unique shape , compared to an scaled up or down EC clone. It's slighty more expensive coming at 99 instead of 91.99 or something like that. Very slightly heavier. And the 4K dongle is more expensive too. Specwise they are i think the same.

[@voxuuu9551]

Also the click implementation on the thorn feels premium for an optical

[@gauss_wyo]

@@voxuuu9551 xlite v3 and thorn have the exact same raesha opticals, the implementation also really similar