Acupuncture is useless

[@jaredjones2981]

Acupuncture - Only therapy that fixed my lower back pain after 11 years in the military when years of muscle relaxing drug therapy did nothing. Thanks Acupuncture!

[@Bynming]

I read somewhere that placebo works better on smarter people. Not sure if it's true but maybe you're just that damn smart? Anyway I'm sure a physiotherapist would've been able to sort you out. Going to drugs for chronic back pain is dumb and the doctor who prescribed that was probably an idiot.

[@faceless_blogger]

I think what Jared means is that Acupuncture is the only thing that ever worked after trying several remedies.

[@Bynming]

@@faceless_blogger Jared's personal feelings carry more weight than scientific evidence ever could.

[@faceless_blogger]

@@Bynming you mean “western” Scientific evidence funded by pharma companies to sell their drugs. Acupuncture has been a part of eastern medical science for over 5000 years. For the rest, there’s always pills. Enjoy !

[@nondhimmi1]

​@@Bynmingjarred is immune to bias or misatribution

[@baskinrobinsons7991]

I swear some writers and “business insiders” would rather the whole country be on prescribed drugs and pain killers for their back problems instead of finding a natural solution to their problems. I have arthritis in my back and acupuncture helps immensely. I guess not enough people are lining their pockets with $.

[@Miami0225]

no bro its better to become a prescribed morphine addict so the medical industry makes money of you being sick

[@tomasposkocil3217]

You better try to get your digestion together (diet also) and work on your posture as well.

[@MAX-de8fe]

Did you listen to the video? People who were poked with toothpicks claimed to feel the effects of acupuncture. You have a suggestive personaily and your brain convinced you that acupuncture helped your back pain because that's what acupuncture is supposed to do. Placebos can stop working randomly. When that happens they'll try to sell you other placebos like essential oils and crystals.

[@jov720]

it's true if you don't kill the patient, you will help the patient with needles anywhere. By western definition, you are creating micro injuries that release natural painkiller chemicals in our body. That being said, i believe there IS something to acupuncture. This short little clip was such a brash interpretation of one statement. He has no knowledge of the meridians and uses no studies as references.

[@kryonight2869]

It's because acupuncture has been proven to be pseudoscience many times over similar to other so called "natural solutions" like homeopathic medicine. The reason it worked for you was probably due to the placebo effect and some change in your diet, physical exercise, posture, etc. I have no problem with people practicing pseudoscience as long as they don't market it as a remedy for serious or life threatening conditions.

[@bunny4669]

I just did acupuncture for the first time ever. I have lower back spasms that were so bad, I ended up in the ER. My muscle relaxers did nothing. I sat there with acupuncture needles in my shins, foot, and hands. I was thinking, "this is so stupid and it's never going to work!" I got home and I am now a believer. I literally am in shock. My back isn't healed, but all of the spasms are GONE!!!!! I can actually twist and touch my toes..... WHAT THE HECK?????!!!!

[@ajcics]

It's called novel sensory stimuli. Chronic pain, especially low back pain, is better understood as a measure of your body's perceived need for protection against perceived injury rather than a one-to-one correlation with tissue damage. The thing about the brain is it loves efficiency so once it starts to associate one region of your body with chronic pain it simply becomes very good at continuing to feel it. Anything that breaks up this pain pattern and introduces a stimulus that is novel and pleasant can start to turn off the overstimulation of the nervous system and the pain receptors Literally going to a massage therapist would have been just as effective. Doesn't change the fact that acupuncture is bullshit in its theory as it is firmly based in the meridian system of traditional Chinese medicine. Which is an absolute fraud

[@Shteedbee]

Despite the no-cebo it still worked!!

[@KiwikimNZ]

Me too I have chronic pain and previous spinal fractures and fusion surgeries etc, muscle spasms are really bad for me, only benzod help the spasm, but they will not prescribe them anymore. But Accupunture has helped not only 10 years of chronic pain but the spasms as well. I have been doing it 9 months now once a week and there month where I had lots on and I didn’t go, my pain amped up so bad I had not realised just how much the Accupunture was helping! Within two weeks I was feeling way better again. It’s not a miracle cure but it has certainly helped and when in pain if there is any reduction then that is such a bonus. Pain has gone from 8/10 all day everyday pretty much to 4-5/10 Now!

[@Shteedbee]

Can we just take a moment to acknowledge that it worked DESPITE your doubt!? You had the anti-placebo in effect and still got results!! That’s just how powerful this medicine is. Oh, and if ya’ll have noticed a lot of practitioners who aren’t doctors of East asian medicine are borrowing (stealing?) and rebranding the modalities under different names… for a reason; These things work!

[@neonnova-on1gp]

I mean it won't work for everyone I guess

[@ind33d71]

My dog's rear legs were paralysed, 2 weeks of medicine didn't work but 2 sessions of accupuncture did. Where did my dog learn about placebo effect😅😅

[@gokulganesh2876]

Paralysed leg caused by what?

[@ind33d71]

@@gokulganesh2876 spine injury

[@Mail_in_voter]

​@@gokulganesh2876chiropractor

[@Knytz]

maybe the medicine worked out after that time.

[@ind33d71]

@@gokulganesh2876 unknown. The vet said it may be because of a spinal injury.

[@navsquid32]

A neurologist explains why you should use opioids.

[@rachelzhu999]

🤣 HaHa, please forgive his ignorance

[@JunkBondTrader]

opioids are effective in what they set out to do. Yes they are addicting. What's your point? Accupuncture costs hundreds, and is just as morally bankrupt.

[@MacLaw3084]

it is no secret that there are negatives (side effects) to many treatments/medications for disease. it is up to doctor and patient to determine whether or not certain risks are worth taking. unfortunately, there are some bad doctors out there. that notwithstanding there are plenty of times where opioids are a valid option, and many people who needed them/used them and did not become addicted. all that said, the wise thing to do is live a healthy lifestyle to avoid having to take medications in the first place.

[@AdmiralSP]

But.. ahhh that's not really what the claim was here.? The claim is "acupuncture doesn't work" which by logic and research looks to be true. It's a futile exercise. What you're using here is the "black or white" logical fallacy. You're suggesting or implying that opioids and acupuncture are the only two options and the doctor who says acupuncture doesn't work is ofcourse saying opioids are the only cure. But that's far from the truth. There are many issues which do not need opioids. There are many other methods of treatment from medication, physical therapy to surgery.

[@gulag_sender2123]

@@JunkBondTrader what kinda acupuncturist you going to, mine only cost like 80 bucks

[@Craftinfinite]

Studies shows that creating micro trauma to a tendon or ligament with the insertion of acupuncture needles can stimulate the body's healing response, causing blood and oxygen to profuse the tissue to create an anti-inflammatory effect and also help to dispel any waste products in the tissue. It also works as "PROLO-like" therapy where the micro-trauma causes the tissue to react accordingly to what it needs. If too tight it can loosen, if too loose, it can tighten. Also there isn't a better tool for releasing trigger points in the myofascial tissue. This video is pointing towards a certain type of acupuncture that I would also argue is more than placebo, but there are many very practical, observable and material applications that are anything but placebo.

[@tom7471]

Thank you!

[@alexandereisen3486]

Trust me, the field of neurology has zero solutions their patients either.

[@mswhunter118]

Thank you. They still can’t figure out Alzheimer’s but want to criticize ancient medicine. Makes me sick.

[@mydogeatspuke]

You can know something isn't helpful without having a helpful solution to offer instead though. He didn't seem to be saying "acupuncture is useless but buy my snake oil."

[@tomasposkocil3217]

@@mswhunter118 Yeah, they can't, but Alzheimer's seems to be related to gut inflammation, due to bad digestion.

[@kryonight2869]

@@mydogeatspukeThat's what I'm saying! If someone has a hopeless condition you shouldn't be shaking them down for every last penny with "miracle cures" that don't do anything. I don't mind if people practice these pseudoscientific techniques on regular healthy people but if they're marketing them to desperate people who will pay for anything that's crossing the ethical line.

[@el-hp1lj]

Ive been to a few neuros for migraines and they are all pretty useless. No real deep dive into what may be happening. Just a guessing game and trying out different pills

[@niphrim]

Even if it's creates "healing" through a placebo effect, if a person's condition improves, might it be worth it? Never had it so I can't comment any more than that.

[@majinvipergaming]

Most intelligent comment I've read in a while.

[@blacktiger974]

The takeaway is that you don't need to puncture someone with needles to achieve the same placebo effect. Sham acupuncture or even a relaxing massage would do the same thing.

[@troy3456789]

If a placebo [or acupuncture] can treat or cure some ailment; the ailment was in the sufferers head the whole time.

[@eddietasker9110]

@@troy3456789 agreed

[@SomeGuy-so3kk]

A sugar pill is a much less expensive placebo if you wanna go that route

[@Aztec2011]

as a receptionist working for a acupuncturist I see more and more doctors referring their patients to get acupuncture for pain. This guy needs to work harder telling his colleagues acupuncture is a placebo. Acupuncture is getting more popular and Medicare is now paying for acupuncture.

[@saooran7364]

Almost every medieval doctor recommended bleedings for all sorts of illnesses: from the plague to depression. The fact lots of doctors send people to the clinic where you work doesn't mean medicine adopted nor validate acupuncture because it is simply a very narrow sample. Simply put, even if a thousand medics recommended said clinic it would not even represent 1% of all the medics out there. Please refrain from committing silly mistakes like this in the future.

[@Aztec2011]

@@saooran7364 well currently all the doctors that recommend acupuncture are not from the medieval time, they all spent over 10 years studying medicine. I think patients with pain should listen a orthopedic specialist recommendation instead from n neurologist like Dr. Steve Novella.

[@AlifDaffaVivaldiSetyawan]

it's from 6 years ago, he's probably already changed his mind.

[@jimbeam8338]

If acupuncture works it would have been proven by now. It's literally pseudoscience.

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

@@Aztec2011 Doctors are not infallible. This is an argument from authority.

[@weebooweaboo592]

Beauty insider: we tried facial acupunture Tech insider: acupunture is useless How ironic

[@2Cool2Geek]

Is it really ironic or are you just not using your thinking cap? Why would beauty writers have any knowledge of what science and technical writers are doing? Come on man you're trying to look for a link where there is none. Of course a company is going to publish articles and content for idiots and learned people alike. That's just about money

[@kchong228]

Beauty insiders are selling what their clients want. Technical insiders are telling the truth. It is logical by the explanation of their motives.

[@arikosubumo2402]

You are just envy because acupuncture is cheaper and more effective than your prescriptions. That's why people resort to it.

[@ZACHANDJACKSZACHSMAFIA]

Just shut up!!

[@heyching5383]

ZACH AND JACK'S R.I.F. TRASH SHOW STFU dude. Stop looking down on Chinese remedies cuz it just shows that you are racist. You can go on taking western medicines, but that doesn’t give you the fking rights to insult Chinese traditional remedies.

[@lmm9672]

As someone who was highly skeptical of acupuncture, the fact that certain points cause immediate or near immediate effects makes me skeptical on the methodology of the studies he is citing. Other studies show acupuncture dose work. It seems inserting the needles at nerve junctions has an effect on the nervous system. A medical dean was relating me the story of brain surgery being performed with nothing more than scalp acupuncture serving as the anesthetic. This procedure was carried out a Tufts Medical. This speaker seems to be using an "appeal to authority", in other words " I'm a neurologist so listen to me." He dosen't cite the studies or the data from the studies. Be highly skeptical of his unsubstantiated claims.

[@rlaehrwk41]

It’s a placebo effect

[@FernandoDANTE]

It’s a placebo effect.

[@user-jr7kz8ev9v]

Or you could open a Chinese textbook 🤷‍♀️ considering how most of the research is in east Asia????

[@Dahalx]

What studies?

[@Yentra163]

@@user-jr7kz8ev9v omg I've read some of the pages in a TCM manual(when I was curious about becoming an acupuncturist)...such bullsh*t!! "If you taste bitter flavour on your tongue your kidney is too hot and you should poke your left knee 3 times a day to cure it. Unless you are a woman, then you must poke your right knee." It's literally NON-SENSE. Flip to ANY page!!! Not saying that all TCM is bogus(just the majority of it). Acupuncture works for some people but not for ANYYY of the reasons explained in those textbooks.

[@Joeyblondewolf2]

Off course a doctor would say this.. Lol he just wants your money 😂 acupuncture saved my life! It helped my depression and my health. I wasn't a believer till I got a treatment

[@clockywork]

Wow are you stupid? This guy gains no money from you not taking acupuncture. You know who does benefit from your money? The person administering acupuncture... Your logic is so backwards it's not difficult to see the sort of saps who fall for this shit.

[@cutiepie338]

Actually acupuncture costs money. Actual medicine and treatment is covered by my insurance, but "alternative" treatment ist not, I would have to pay for it myself. Why is that? Because even the insurance companies know that alternative medicine doesn't do jack shit, so it is bad for them if sick people use that garbage because they won't get healthy again. Stay in school kids and avoid alternative BS!

[@diegochavez8752]

Another view is that he is just a doctor who believes in science and empirical evidence, not testimonies nor anecdotes. It would also mean anybody could claim to discover a treatment or drug, yet no doctor could criticize it because it would mean he or she does it due to economic interests. Lame logic.

[@edanna931]

My insurance pays for acupuncture

[@PKmaster12]

This comment section is a goddamn field day *and I love it*

[@xon4yk258]

lol

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

The problem isn't acupuncture, the problem is the level of expertise, training and equipment of the acupuncturist, any fool who can stick in a few needles should not qualify as an acupuncturist by modern western standards, there is a world of difference between practitioners, a good practitioner is actually fairly hard to find but well worth the search, when you find one you'll know the difference!

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

@@JohnDoe-zo8wj Well what do you mean "work" does setting a broken leg "work" the leg is still broken after it's set isn't it.

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

@@JohnDoe-zo8wj I did some points electronically on the tops of my cats ears, completely painlessly, possible vision problem, soon afterwards everyone was laughing, as my cat was going around with this huge wide eyed stare, he did eventually settle down and begin to look more normal but kept a brighter eyed appearance just the same, how did my cat know that these points were supposed to effect his eyes, I didn't tell him, I promise?!

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

@@JohnDoe-zo8wj A common cold or the flu or a sore throat heals too, but MUCH faster and with immediate relief using skilled acupuncture! 🤗

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

@@JohnDoe-zo8wj No not at at all the late Great John Lennon and his wife Yoko had a Master Acupuncturist on their team, he informed them that Yoko would be able to conceive again after the allopathic MD's had given them no hope, he was correct, John Lennon believed him of course, the BIGGEST minds in the world go in for this, people who are absolute geniuses! 🤗

[@hadishstreet3066]

I love how this comments section is just FULL of ignorantly confident anecdotes hahaha Y'all realise you're not proving anything with the success of your acupuncture treatments, right?! WOW pain can be cured with placebos!! SHOCK!!

[@roy-tv7493]

this man's aura screams he needs acupuncture lol

[@elghost1463]

What is the aura and how do you measure it?

[@francisbugarin4206]

😂

[@TLam-fm7ur]

Lol

[@carolina8793]

1000%

[@vihangaharshana]

⁠@@elghost1463aura is some kind of radiation you emit (not in electromagnetic spectrum). How u measure it is the most interesting part. I myself don’t really know it but I’ve had girls saying I have a good aura. So just ask it from a girl

[@jenpanarese701]

Acupuncture literally saved me from my anxiety. I've struggled with anxiety for years! Went to therapy, did medication, took yoga classes, literally did everything. I tried acupuncture once by a lady down where I live, the last time I had anxiety was over a year ago. It really worked for me so idk how this could work

[@riptworkshops9121]

You can simply fill in whatever theatrical placebo you'd have chosen at that moment and you'd be advocating for it. It. Isn't. Real. It's the power of suggestion. IT's not even debatable anymore. Anecdotes aren'e evidence.

[@jenpanarese701]

@@riptworkshops9121 It's not a placebo when I've tried multiple things. It worked for me and it helped me through my troubles and now I live life wonderfully.

[@luxeayt6694]

@@jenpanarese701 It wouldn't work if you knew it was placebo.

[@rlaehrwk41]

Jen Panarese Well chief, there are thousands of studies from doctors say no

[@imonceagainaskingforyourfi4432]

@@luxeayt6694 exactly lmao

[@fryloc359]

Just because you don't know how it works, doesn't mean it doesn't work.

[@acupuncturistachariyasambo84]

VERY TRUE. ACUPUNCTURE REALLY WORKS.

[@skatemaster33]

@@acupuncturistachariyasambo84 explain it then

[@shisuiuchiha2159]

@@skatemaster33 do your own research big boy

[@skatemaster33]

@@shisuiuchiha2159 Oh I did, and found out it doesn't actually work like it should. Mostly placebo.

[@EpsilonFilms]

Wow, people in the comments need to learn some critical thinking skills. Personal anecdotes are not science!

[@jamesfernando2737]

Who’s claiming that their anecdotes are scientific evidence? This is a video that states acupuncture doesn’t work. So wouldn’t it make sense that people, who think it worked for them, tell their experience?

[@ZACHANDJACKSZACHSMAFIA]

@@jamesfernando2737 they can make it up idiot, no one lies or tells truths its words that make it right? Then words hurt and yet they can make you feel happy or anything, in summary acupunture is fake and that is *my* anecdotes!!

[@farmur9680]

I can already tell that there are bunch of pseudoskeptics here. One of the example is anecdotes aren't science. Frankly you are absolutely wrong. You need to learn how to be a true skeptic. Pseudo-Skeptics are fond of repeating one of their Gospel laws, "anecdotal evidence is invalid" to dismiss any and all paranormal experiences they deem to be impossible. This includes testimonials from credible reliable people. There are obvious MAJOR problems with this. First, they are lumping all personal experiences and testimonies into one lump, in order to summarily dismiss them. This is inaccurate and unrealistic. Though no one claims that anecdotes are infallible, the weight of someone's testimonial depends on various factors, such as who they are and what situation they are in. For example, someone you've trusted for years who has always been accurate and reliable carries more weight than some random weirdo on the street spouting bizarre nonsense. You do not put them on the same level and in the same lump. That's common sense. Second, not all "anecdotes" are unreliable, and suffice to say, skeptics never define what they mean by "reliable". Are they seeking 100 percent accuracy, 90, 75, 51 or what? They won't specify and when pressed, they avoid it because it puts them in an attackable position where the burden of proof shifts to them. Skeptics use the fact that testimonials are not 100 percent accurate and flawless to discredit their validity (a flawless requirement is an impossible demand). Basically what they're saying is that if something is not 100 percent reliable, then it's invalid evidence, as good as no evidence at all. It's a shady tactic indeed. In other words, if something is 95 percent accurate and 5 percent inaccurate, then it is not "reliable" and inadmissible as evidence. That's holding the bar to an impossible standard and a pure dismissive tactic, nothing more. That's definitely not a truth finding tactic. The truth is, you also have to look at the situation and use proper judgment. In some situations, what you hear will be highly accurate. Suppose I went into a supermarket and asked a clerk what aisle the bread is in. And suppose he/she says aisle 11 with a confident tone. Now, what does common sense tell you? That they are probably right of course. The probability that they are right is very high, much greater than 50 percent, though not 100 percent (nothing is 100 percent when it comes to people). You can test this by going into many supermarkets and asking what aisle the bread is in and count how often they point to the correct aisle. It would not be surprising if the accuracy rate turned out to be 90 or even 100 percent. So, in this case, info tends to be reliable. Likewise, if you drove into a small town on a road trip and asked a local resident how to get to a popular attraction there, and he/she tells you with complete certainty which road to take and where to turn, it will most certainly check out as being correct. In a small town with a few main streets, it is not easy to make a mistake in giving directions as opposed to a big city, so the degree of accuracy will be extremely "reliable". On the other hand, if you were in a bar, and saw a loud obnoxious guy bragging to some lady he was trying to pick up about his income, assets, luxury home, accomplishments, success, etc. in a bragging tone, then common sense would tell you that he was probably "full of it". Or if you were listening to a high pressured sales pitch from people who want you to spend lots of money on what they were trying to sell, you could reasonably surmise that they have an ulterior motive and are likely to distort facts to suit their agenda. So you see, the accuracy of what you hear depend on the situation. They are not all in a zero sum category. Also, certain sources tend to check out. When my friends tell me about something on the breaking news, as soon as I turn on the news, I see the story they told me about. And most of what I remember checks out, even if it's something as simple as a movie I haven't seen for years showing the same scenes and details I remember when I watched it last time. And most of the time, when I leave something somewhere, I find it where I left it. So, if my own memory is generally reliable, why is it suddenly worthless if I remember a paranormal incident? That makes no sense. Memory is not 100 percent accurate of course, but that doesn't make it all "invalid". Now consider this. More than half the world's population have experienced something of a paranormal nature, usually involving psychic experiences or spirits. And these include people of all types, even the most highly credible and rational. Now what's the probability that ALL the billions of people are all wrong or hallucinating? Astronomically low of course. We don't know everything and there are many mysteries of the universe and reality yet to be discovered, so logically, we should remain open to new phenomenon and levels of reality, some beyond our wildest imagination. So, at the very least, a reasonable person would consider that some of these psychic experiences MIGHT be real, as a possibility. At the very least they can simply say "I don't know" and leave it at that. But what do the pseudo-skeptics do? They declare ALL of it as due to either hallucination, mistake, false perception or fraud! In other words, billions of people are all wrong. These skeptics act like omnipotent deities who know all the secrets of the universe with no unanswered questions! If that isn't a closed minded dismissal, then I don't know what is. Third, by definition an anecdote is a second or third hand story you hear. So does this mean you if you report a paranormal experience to a skeptic directly, that it is no longer "anecdotal"? If so, And if I am the experiencer, does that mean that it's no longer anecdotal to me, since it's my firsthand direct experience? If so, does that mean it's still invalid to me? If direct experiences were invalid, that would mean that the skeptic would be required to question all of his direct experiences too. Where do you draw the line? What they seem to be saying is that whether something is valid evidence depends on whether it happened to you or someone else. It's very unclear and inconsistent. Fourth, if anecdotes were truly invalid and worthless, then why does the Ebay feedback system work (as any experienced Ebayer will tell you)? Why do employers factor in an applicant's recommendation letters? Why do marketing companies take surveys? Why do courts count them as evidence in civil trials? Because they ARE worth something. So you see, if this pseudo-skeptical dogma FAILS in ordinary real life examples, then how applicable is it when applied to phenomenon on the breaking frontier of science and reality? Yet not surprisingly, when a testimony or account is against the paranormal, it is suddenly counted as "valid evidence". For example, in 1991 when Doug Bower and David Chorley claimed that they had hoaxed all 2000 of the British Crop Circles since 1978, skeptics took their word for it and declared the crop circle phenomenon "debunked" as a hoax. Suddenly, anecdotal evidence became valid to them. Again, typical double standard of pseudo-skeptics. And nevermind the fact that their claim was "extraordinary" in that they were two old men who claimed to create 2000 geometrical designs in crops whose complexity defies easy geometrical construction, but they were never even able to demonstrate that they could do what they claim. You have to understand that these pseudo-skeptics have their own rules and standards of logic that have nothing to do with formal logic in a textbook, and which they do not even apply to the beliefs they defend. And they dictate their "rules of logic" as though they were incontrovertible laws. But in reality, they are anything but, and contradict even common sense and common experience.

[@ZACHANDJACKSZACHSMAFIA]

@@farmur9680 too long to read srry!! So what do you believe!? I dont think it works, but i never tried it though!!

[@ZACHANDJACKSZACHSMAFIA]

@j peech acupuncture is a placebo.. That is my opinion.. You may have yee!! But dont force me to yours!.

[@pyscobrand]

I had an acupressure session in Korea once when my knee was acting up worse than usual. My home stay family was worried because i had a limp and urged me to see a family friend that could help , at the time I thought he was an actual doctor but to my dismay he was an acupuncturist. I was a little upset that they took me to him because I thought it was a waste of time but he said he'd give me a look free of charge. I told him the specifics of the pain and he prodded a little and he said he knew what to do. He place his hand on the interior side of my left knee, went down about two inches from the base of my knee and pressed down hard on one particular spot. It hurt like hell and he pressed down for an entire minute. I got up and took a couple steps and the pain was gone. It's hard to say if acupuncture and acupressure is bullshit, but whatever happened to me did help. Keep in mind my treatment wasn't a one time thing. He told me that the pain will return but pressing on that particular point three times a day will help. Four finger lengths form the base of the knee, feel for a tiny bump, then press and hold for sixty seconds.

[@slizzardshroomer9666]

Anecdotal evidence is literally the only thing going for it and it isn't worth anything. You just described placebo. Studies have show that meridian pathways don't exist in the human body and "chi" is a religious concept. Don't fool yourself

[@elfrank333]

acupressure is part of massage therapy and it is very good for treating things like pain and anxiety but acupunture has no science behind to soporte it for example if i do massages the wrong way with to much pressure or to less presure or in the wrong place i can have 0 or even negative effects con the client but with acupunture i can stick needles in all your body and you will not feel any negative afects how come ? simple it dosent work its just placebo effect

[@angelthman1659]

I tried many different treatments and remedies for my tennis elbow. Nothing worked except acupuncture. If it was just a placebo effect, then why didn't I have a placebo effect for all the other treatments?

[@ix_timoxx7615]

Hi i have the same Injury and i tried everything possible so i’m giving acupuncture a try. But how many sessions did you need?

[@angelthman1659]

@@ix_timoxx7615 It was a while back and I don't remember exactly, but it was something like 7 or 8. I would say under 10, though each person is different.

[@TurdBoi666]

Cap

[@angelthman1659]

@@ix_timoxx7615 It was a while ago so I don't remember exactly, but it was under 10.

[@angelthman1659]

@@ix_timoxx7615 It was a while ago so I don't remember exactly, but it was under 10.

[@heitorlima6726]

"Literally thousands of studies" doesn't mention even one of them. Damn dude even I who don't believe in this shit am getting the fallacies, jeeeez

[@Tobiesmas]

I just went to Google and I find that since 2013 there are 1500 studies. So simple.

[@anamariaramos4786]

Not too hard to find them ha

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

dude, u can just google it. he is a doctor. you dont ask doctors to give you studies as proof whenever they diagnose you do you?

[@iraklisk54]

So it’s better to go to a doctor and get tones of pills , no Thank you . Accupature does work , and drug industry worth billions Of dollars , just saying !!!

[@marcinna8553]

But if that is true you need clinical evidence, not anecdotal evidence. Yes, the drug industry is worth billions of dollars, but the drugs have to pass blinded clinical trials and show efficacy, unlike acupuncture, which is judged by people's subjective experience or the word of the acupuncturist. The FDA actually rejects most drugs in clinical trials because they are required to set a very high bar, first for safety and then for efficacy (drug must be superior to existing treatments). And yes, this this process is imperfect. Drugs that do show efficacy in a clinical trial surely have value, especially so if they keep you out of a hospital -- which is where the real money gets spent. If you get cancer or heart disease, please take the drugs, don't go to an acupuncturist.

[@joemama-lq9yx]

Of course it is.....you can't prescribed highly addictive pain killers for it

[@Stayble9770]

If it still helped with the problem at hand, does it really matter if it's just the placebo effect?

[@troy3456789]

If placebos work (helped because of belief in the "treatment"), then the ailment probably originated in the same place.

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

@@troy3456789 you say that like placebo can't improve physical ailments. Also, for pain, of course the pain is in your head, it's literally the only part of you that feels pain

[@2Cool2Geek]

When someone is charging you 200 dollars a session for something that can be replicated for free?...yeah it kinda matters

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

@@2Cool2Geek it's like 20-40 here. Also, it cannot be replicated for free

[@AlienAndHisCat]

@@distantnative2478 How is it not a placebo? Name one illness and please explain how it was cured with acupuncture?

[@pamhill7827]

Not sure what evidence this individual is referencing. Studies completed at Harvard Medical School and the Grand Rounds series of the Osher clinic there have a number of research studies showing why acupuncture does work. Vitaly Napadow, a neuroscientist doing research on acupuncture at the Martinos Center for Biomedical Imaging at Harvard has done a number of studies showing exactly the opposite of what this man states in this video. Check out his studies on Carpal Tunnel syndrome. Helene Langevin, director of the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health (NCCIH) beginning in 2018, also has some fascinating studies on the celluar and mechanical effects of acupuncture in a number of studies she has published. There is not a large body of research yet, but it is certainly available.

[@jaymz1999]

Using needles have the same effect as using your fingers. It’s called placebo.

[@mumbaibhai5912]

A friend of mine had a facial paralysis and the Neurosurgeon had given up on the patient. The Acupuncturist not only cured my friend within couple of months with just 2 sittings per week. My friend also got rid of a regular terrible pain in the head. Medicine were reduced to bare minimum after several regular tests. And has been recommended that in the next couple of months all other medicine will be completely stopped, thereby declaring the patient completely cured. Seeing is believing

[@deehlgrm9379]

Power of suggestion

[@FrostyGerardo-kr7xs]

Needles as a energy power up is weird. But It is proven metal needles conduct electricity wich in turns stimulate the nerves.

[@tom123216]

He sounds like someone who needs more visits to his clinic. Also, he sounds like when you don't have enough words but need to hit the 500 word limit for your essay. All his points are not backed up with any relevant evidence, just stating thousands of whatever studies.

[@TeamGLikesTrains]

I have back problems and my orthopedist here in Germany gives me some exercises combined with Acunpunture. This has been working for me really well. I have tried so many things before and so far this works for me.

[@AIenSmithee]

How do you know it’s not just the exercising that is helping? By that logic, if I said I have been casting spells for the pain and I feel better, how could you say that magic isn’t an effective cure for back pain.

[@JunkBondTrader]

@@AIenSmithee you just gotta know the right spells, bro.

[@throckmorton6677]

@@JunkBondTrader can confirm. Am a grand wizard and have saved my marriage on multiple occasions by threatening her that I will make another 9/11 but take out Hogwart's

[@Maivqablos999]

He’s saying it because he hasn’t even tired it. I was in a terrible car accident after recovery I wasn’t able to walk. 2 dose of steroids shots to my spine, physical therapy, and all the medications did touch the surface. Acupuncture helped me walk again. Just with anything it may not cure but it’s still effective.

[@troy3456789]

If acupuncture worked; then balancing golf balls on your head for 30 minutes each day would work also too.

[@jtpmwh]

Out of curiosity, were you still receiving all of the other treatments at the same time as the acupuncture treatments or did you completely stop the others and only had acupuncture treatments?

[@Ivan-bg1jp]

But you can't possibly believe a KZbin comment, right? You can't placebo yourself that way.@@troy3456789

[@asadjavaid847]

That means I am doomed because doctors can’t treat me either

[@RealGhanbari]

me too

[@vibenegativa]

Science doesn't have all the answers and never claimed to have.. some "methods" otherwise

[@l.n.9462]

Look up Aajonus Vonderplanitz. Hes not a doctor, he specializes in diet

[@asadjavaid847]

Felipe Bento science has been exaggerated too much, it’s not that good. I have lost my trust in science

[@AlienAndHisCat]

@@asadjavaid847 How has it been "exaggerated"? You lost your trust in an evidence-based field and gained it in a baseless claim?

[@jakesmiley4745]

I'm not sure the concept of a "placebo" even applies to an entirely mental function like pain. Pain isn't something like heart rate or blood pressure, which can be objectively measured independent of the patient's perception -- it's entirely personal, mental, and subjective. So if a patient undergoes acupuncture and "feels less pain," how is that any more a placebo effect than giving drugs? They can't explain how opioids reduce pain - they can explain chemically "what they do" to the brain, but how that affects perception of an inherently personal and unmeasurable feeling as "pain" is still up in the air. In a sense, *anything* that reduces the patient's feeling of pain is a placebo. In any case, is there any demonstrable harm that acupuncture could cause? It's really not an invasive or debilitating procedure. If a lot of people think it helps them, what's the point of gainsaying it?

[@yiwen2445]

Lets put it this way, even Western medicine has limits. There are people who fall out of the crack in healthcare, are in severe pain, and Western medicine simply cannot help them. When you are suffering and desperate, would you not be willing to see if there is even a chance that something else, no matter how bizzare, can help you relief you of your pain?

[@VincentGonzalezVeg]

I have a persistent pain from bumping a needle by moving my shoulder blade, for years Science is a technique to verify something as fact, like snorting tiger penis compared to Viagra Then there's non surgical or medicine type options like lifestyle improvement changes in behaviors that scientifically have benefits

[@rogie0517]

I agree. There is nothing wrong on trying to look for cure specialy if your in great pain

[@2Cool2Geek]

No, sorry. It's not innocent like that. When people are in great pain or very sick they often turn to alternate medicine that has no scientific efficacy whatsoever. They get taken for a ride, and promised the moon. But all they end up doing is getting swindled out of a lot of money. It's not ethical medicine of any sort to pray on the week and desperate. Do you know what they call alternate medicine that works? Medicine. Listen to scientists not to quacks

[@yiwen2445]

@@2Cool2Geek I never claim that alternative medecine works, nor did I say that they are legitimate (or illegitimate). That is not the crux of my argument.

[@talkdatrue]

Western medicine is ass. They blindly believe drugs and only drugs can cure you. It’s like a religion for western docs, there’s nothing else only drugs.

[@kangjhha]

in 6th grade my ankle was swollen for around 6mos, went to the doctor repeatedly and they couldn't find what was wrong.. my mom got fed up and took me to an acupuncture clinic. I had about 11 sessions and after that the swelling finally healed. I recall still walking with a limp for a few yrs even after the treament b/c I had been walking so long on that bad leg..😭

[@Shteedbee]

I’m a Licensed Acupuncturist and one of my favorite areas of the body to treat are ankles. Especially old lingering pain.

[@nic-fc7fk]

You need to undergo systematic training, which is as arduous as becoming a world champion, but it will pay off

[@orangescout1967]

I’m putting this out there for anyone who cares. I’m sharing this because I want you all to hear a different narrative. My experience with acupuncture is that it was the ONLY thing that eliminated the nearly unendurable pain in the lateral aspects of my leg. I don’t pretend to be an expert on how it works but I believe it does and some of the effects as I was going through treatment were astonishing. Also if you do research, you’ll find some amazing footage of people receiving acupuncture and undergoing open heart surgery in a conscious state with only a local anesthetic. That’s deep, visceral pain being blocked by acupuncture when western medicine maintains only gas and chemical anesthesia will work. There’s plenty of proof that acupuncture works….just not the empirical truth that the west craves to define truth. If you are thinking about doing acupuncture, please don’t let this man’s opinion stop you.

[@BillStreeter]

He’s not saying it’s not effective. He’s saying it doesn’t work. It’s effectiveness is the same as placebo in randomized trials. It works for you because of the placebo effect. Not because it’s actually doing anything to your “energy” or whatever.

[@orangescout1967]

@@BillStreeter Thanks Bill. We’re all a lot better off because of your incredibly sharp acumen. I wish you could live a million years to spread your sage wisdom with everyone. Awesome. Glad you have everything figured out. If you were a little less a arrogant, you might find that there is a lot (and I mean A LOT) that you don’t understand about the world you can’t see. Makes absolutely no difference to me if you learn it or not….

[@baterickpatman]

it's not a narrative, it's just reality. when you say "if you do research" you mean using confirmation bias to look for other people who experienced positive placebo like you did. I'm over here in reality.. you should join us one day

[@orangescout1967]

@@baterickpatman Yes…you’re both very smart. Thanks for bringing confirmation bias into the mix to explain what I meant by “do research”. You two guys should get together and verbally masturbate over dinner…you make a charming couple. I DON’T CARE what you believe about ANYTHING including acupuncture. I don’t care if you use it or not. By all means if you have solved the mystery of the quantum that eluded the great Einstein then by all means…revel in your never ending well of crafted 2 dimensionality! Take a look at what Max Planck said about the “reality” you want everyone to join genius. My thesis is simply that acupuncture relieves pain for some people for reasons we don’t understand. You claim to understand them via placebo causality…either way you’ve both missed the point as my comments were made to the speaker in the video. I encourage people to try it to remove pain. Not engage in its moral, spiritual, causative or supernatural mechanisms. I could counter all this by saying that the placebo effect is caused by a mysterious energy that runs through the human body but the argument becomes circular. My interest is in its merits. Incidentally if you’re so smart why haven’t you unraveled the mystery of how the placebo effect is even possible and harnessed that technology to eradicate all disease? The placebo effect describes a phenomenon- it doesn’t explain how it works. Every time you say “placebo effect” you are the guys relying on some unknown mechanism, something mysterious, for the fact that it exists. Is that the smart-alec reality you’re talking about?

[@williampeckham9838]

It works! Im living proof.

[@lance3748]

I've read they've done acupuncture on animals and they improved. I doubt the placebo effect can explain that. I've had acupuncture for back pain. Aside from pain I started feeling numbness in my left calf. I got sick and tired of being sick and tired and decided to hit the problem with everything I could except strong drugs. I didn't really know what to expect for acupuncture but more than once she put a needle into my leg and I felt a 'zing' go down to my foot, like wacking your funny bone. I had not predicted something like that so I doubt placebo had anything to do with that. And after several months of treatment I would sometimes feel a warm sensation in my calf instead of numbness or pain. It was like a warm wash cloth on my calf. My chiropractor told me that was my damaged nerve healing. I cannot guarantee it was the acupuncture or just the acupuncture but my chiro told me the nerve does not heal in everyone. Today I haven't had a treatment in over 20 years and my leg is 100%, my back is great except for occasional pain or stiffness, and a couple visits to the chiropractor usually fixes me up. I weight life and practice martial arts. Just placebo?

[@mydogeatspuke]

Yeah, because a nerve was being stimulated lol. They are still tiny needles breaking your skin after all. You aren't experiencing fake needles, some people bleed when they're removed so they're definitely in there. But they don't need to be placed in specific places on the body to interact with specific channels of energy, or whatever hocus pocus they use to try and explain it. You experienced tingling and numbness because they hit a nerve. You seem to be suggesting that nerve damage in your leg was causing your back pain, though, which is.. unlikely. Some nerve damage heals naturally with no intervention, though. Without more information it's impossible to know what you think was happening, but from what little you have said, you obviously associated those reactions with it "doing something" and then attributed any lessening of symptoms to those feelings.

[@Shteedbee]

License Acupuncture is here, I had the opportunity to practice in my small town that I’m from in Nebraska. I had so many patients who saw acupuncture work on their animals that was administered by a veterinarian there. They reached the same conclusion as yourself.

[@Gatsbi]

It isn’t placebo. I had a knee injury when I was child that was keep hurting. Went to an acupuncturist and I was pain free in just one session.

[@frogizel2998]

Congratulations, you just defined a placebo

[@JunkBondTrader]

could have got there yourself. But if that helped you get there, whatever works.

[@stormk9203]

Acupuncture definitely works, maybe not for every single person on the planet just like anything in life. I have spine problems and it can't go away by placebo effects no matter how bad i wanted it to. I had no expectations when going into acupuncture (along with a healthy diet, exercise) but after few sessions, I noticed my energy levels have gone up, pain and discomfort reduced significantly. Nothing else I've tried throughout the years have worked as great so far. YOu know your body the best, and YOU know when you're healing

[@betonowybeton2826]

Anecdotal evidence is no evidence. If you want to confirm the truth of a claim, you should have research, not personal experiences.

[@gustavocarvalho3368]

congratulations, you got your placebo effect right

[@jenny-DD]

@@betonowybeton2826 If it's placebo effect He'll give me more of that shit I'd rather pay for Placebo Medicine- far better than the crap they drug u up with in western Medicine I've had Acupuncture and it has zero side effects and works about 75% of the time with my HeadAches and low energy

[@betonowybeton2826]

@@jenny-DD If you would have a serious disease, use acupuncture. Earth is approaching overpopulation. Western medicine is so worse than placebo

[@JunkBondTrader]

@@gustavocarvalho3368 its funny how people misunderstand what placebo is, say it's not what's happening, then describe the placebo effect happening to them. It just shows why so manty people believe in accupuncture. They don't even know how to avoid being a person placebo would effect. they dont realize placebo not working on you is a good thing as it means you aren't lying to yourself, and if placebo doesn't work on you, you wouldn't have a problem that could be cured by un-suspending their beliefs.

[@ChakraKahn]

A university spokesman in the pocket of and dependent upon the pharmaceutical industry for money should not be allowed to express an opinion without disclosure. Watch a PubMed video, they all practice disclosure which tells whether there is bias or in other words, who funded the study. This video is nothing more than big money wanting you to doubt thousands of years of evidence as opposed to a few studies. Nice.

[@junsolic14]

all I can hear is "acupuncture doesn't work because it really solves the main cause of pain in the body. by that, it cuts the additional money received by doctors like me"

[@gannon5409]

wow the ignorance is incredible

[@kathleenchristian8020]

Why doesn't he give us the source of these "thousands" of studies disproving acupuncture?

[@Inquisite1031]

dont think it would be too difficult to google up those papers ... would take a while to go through them all tho .. ain't keen on doing that .. thats where most people falter with science it takes a while to go through scientific papers/textbooks to approve or disprove things .. and its a 1:34 Video so, who knows ? maybe he's just farting out of his ass .. only one way to find out

[@anamariaramos4786]

Not too hard

[@jenny-DD]

Because he's the Author to all those studies

[@JunkBondTrader]

@@jenny-DD lol says the dumbo who didn't even preform a google search. Go look at the peer reviewed literature. If you can't find it, it's no wonder you believe in accupuncture.

[@rockchan9040]

Hmm, I do not think everything can be explained with science, especially Chinese medicine stuff. Science is just a western knowledge/way to explain the world, and it had only been introduced to the world at most few hundreds years. On the other hand, Chinese medicine is some kinda few thousand years ancient knowledge/intelligence that we preserved till now, you can’t simply explain it with modern western knowledge just like till now we still can’t fully explain how ancient pyramids were made doesn’t means it’s fake. So main point is I don’t think acupuncture is fake/ useless, just we can’t fully explain it yet with the knowledge of science.

[@thomastessier4529]

I tried it for sinus relief. The doctor told me it would take 10 sessions, which I did. I still have sinus issues, it didn't do anything for me. But, that's not to say it doesn't work for anyone. One thing I do know is that the Chinese (and many Asian people) are very superstitious and say this plant is good for this and that plant is good for that without any scientific data to back it up. Here are a few good examples: Chinese people pay top dollar for black bear gall bladders and rhinoceros horns because they say are aphrodisiacs. I don't think there is any sound scientific data to back up this claim.

[@poisxe]

Acupuncture is the only thing that cured paralysis from a severe stroke! Western Doctors said it was permanent too!!

[@VashaLittleMasha]

Yes the video is biased but the points that are made are: 1. Experiments showed that there is no difference between sticking needles randomly and in the 'right' place 2. There is no explained mechanism in the context of medical science as for how it works So if it makes you feel better, go ahead, but if you expect this to cure serious medical conditions then you may have trouble.

[@MrArgoNavis]

The World Health Organization has compiled a couple hundreds of clinical trials which prove that acupuncture has extreme effects, far beyond placebo AND far beyond conventional medicine. Go learn to read. Go do your research. THEN speak - do it in that order. kzbin.info/www/bejne/emaWhqqvf7yUadk

[@jacklich1361]

I love how he says "thousands of studies" but doesn't show any one of them. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@seanlindy]

Ah you got him! He’s just lying. Continue to pay for a quack to stick you for money 🤣

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

dude, just google it. he is a doctor. he doesnt need to convince you.

[@luisheredia5237]

as a yale neaurologist, shouldn't he provide evidence. I mean I just hear blabbering but no evidence.

[@cgme7076]

TechInsider should have asked him for some sources and then posted them on here.

[@MochiMolly]

I don’t know if dogs understand placebo or not. But both of my dogs experienced immediate relief on after they had their acupuncture sessions. My American Eskimo pulled his left back leg and was limping. After 30min session of acupuncture he started running again, immediately! My husky was experiencing rare hyperactivity due to use of phenobarbital for her seizure. She was extra needy because of the drug and rarely calms down, but after the acupuncture session she sleep like a baby again. In addition, right after we started her acupuncture treatment her seizure period went from avg 24 days to 65 days. I am so glad I don’t need to see her seize as often. Regardless what this guy says, placebo or not. I am just glad it worked on my pups.

[@vloggingthing2246]

This guy would just prescribe you opioids but yeah it’s acupuncture doesn’t work 💀

[@twai8036]

I am an acupuncturist, and have to say just look up the research and hear what actual patients say about it. It may not work for everyone, but for those who find it beneficial, it really can change people's lives.

[@VPapgeo]

So you just admited that it's a placebo

[@AwakeningVibes-369]

@@VPapgeo No its not placebo effect, i can tell you that. I have chronic lower back pain and oh boy what didnt i try!! But accupuncture not only make my pain intensity less also, my muscle tigher like bundle of elastic bands feels like spaghetti after session. Ok i can take that pain relieving might involve placebo but what about chronic spasm melts like icecream and mind you, no Physiotherapist, chiropractor, massages, even GPs are able to help me since 9 yrs.

[@MajinFajita]

@@VPapgeo professional therapy is also placebo yet those people are considered doctors... Lol so much for thinking placebo even means anything

[@VPapgeo]

@@MajinFajita first of all you've got to be more specific buddy, second, what's your evidence, sources, articles etc.

[@JunkBondTrader]

I believe you believe it.

[@ca.6232]

I know this is not true. I think what is missing from this is context, will it cure everything? No, however I can attest that it has worked for me. I know it works.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

placebo

[@chrisruss9861]

An anaesthesist from Australia told me he saw operations under acupuncture in the early days when China opened up to Western exchanges. In his view it worked. To the question of why it was not being used more often he said it took too long to set up. Another educated non medical visitor saw operations during a high level political visit in the Mao era and was impressed. One procedure, during appendix op. I think, was conducted by a woman acupuncturist. I am very much a lay person but could speculate there is a vast difference between many years of acupuncture training and people who take short cuts. Whatever the facts on acupuncture, the placebo effect is an astonishing factor x in medicine.

[@sheiladomantay7620]

100% correct

[@Shteedbee]

Not to mention “no-cebo”! Which is what most of us acupuncturist face in the US

[@normanalexander8049]

Of course a md who is backed by big pharma does not want to give you up as a$ patient. Acupuncture works for me a 70 year old fire fighter !

[@conmichael7525]

Certainly helped me more than the opioid medication even though that is “scientifically & medically approved”

[@IronFreee]

Opioid never cured anything, no scientific study ever said it did. It can be used to reduce pain and it has a real chemical effect. You can replace acupuncture with a glass of tap water, you just need to believe it's magical.

[@MajinFajita]

@@IronFreee problem is that you can't trick your mind into thinking a glass of water is magical if your brain is already trained to know it's not

[@OatmealTheCrazy]

@@MajinFajita just take a trip to the town of Selters

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

you literally described placebo. placebo can work. it just isnt real medicine

[@JunkBondTrader]

opoids are super effective painkillers, that dont offer long term solution and are highly addictive. doctors will tell you all you need to know upfront. They do exactly what you expect them to do. There is no way acupuncture will do what an Oxy 80 would do for pain relief, if you have severe pain. No one with severe pain is relying on accupuncture. If it gets severe enough, people get realistic about things pretty quick and go to a real doctor. Is con short for conned? Acupuncture does nothing what it claims to do, unless you suspend your belief enough to convince yourself it did, in which case, the pain was more mental than anything, and you could have cured yourself at any time with the right mindset.

[@binuanto2315]

That is not true my father has MND and parkinson ... and the hospital which confirmed it has no treatment for it.. he is now getting better with acupuncture treatment ..

[@saintstales4108]

Acupuncture does work sorry Doctor and you dont stick needles anywhere randomly. I did acupuncture many times and it always makes my muscle feel relax.

[@saintstales4108]

@Letrixo Acupuncture works it's not useless.

[@jenny-DD]

Acupuncture does work !!!

[@JunkBondTrader]

ok how did it do long term? relaxing muscles doesn't mean shit. i can go get a massage, it wont heal anythign.

[@dalriada]

The amount of anecdotal evidence in favour of acupuncture means more research is warranted. It’s more than just placebo as other elaborate placebos like naturopathy does not generate the same degree of favourable review.

[@kiaratipace9143]

People who can no longer afford costly medicines and hospitalizations, consider TCM acupuncture. I can attest that having frequent acupuncture sessions has helped them in pain alleviation, decreased anxiety, better water intake, and improved well-being. I've witnessed how it greatly helps people who underwent chemotherapy and dialysis become better and prolonged their lives.

[@andrewalgarin9007]

Humans: I don't understand it so its not real lol. Got to love it.

[@Tobiesmas]

We understand perfectly well the placebo effect. Sorry, but nice try.

[@brijeshmandavi6795]

This guy must be from drug medicine industry

[@colins7771]

Haha I take it you are bum hurt by this video? He is from a skeptic society.

[@jenny-DD]

This Doctor is a clown 🤡 It's a stretch to call most of these Drug pushers Doctors

[@AZ-rg3rf]

@@colins7771 so hes a paid shill, got it.

[@shaereub4450]

Isn’t pain in general a placebo? Something out of place? Readjust it with a chiropractor. Pills to stop things like headaches, is just a placebo though. I bought an acupressure mat that I only use for back pain when it gets noticeably bad (I say noticeably because i can tell if something feels different after a fall, but pain doesn’t “hurt” unless it’s really bad, due to nerve damage). A 20 min session fixes all that. Is it a substitute for a chiropractor? No. Will I still go to a chiropractor if something is out of place? Always. Acupressure may be a placebo, but it does help with certain types of pain.

[@KyMac]

I'm an acupuncturist...

[@AnakinSkywalkerrrop]

Go fake yourself!

[@EmBurglar]

Funny, according to John’s Hopkins acupuncture DOES work.

[@NZ-fo8tp]

Yeah but there opinion on it is also that it is just a placebo. The research shows that the actual locations and process doesn't matter so long as the patient thinks it's working it has a small effect. There is a power to placebo that can't be ignored but there is a difference between it working as a placebo or it working because qi is real

[@EmBurglar]

@@NZ-fo8tp you think Johns Hopkins utilizes practices they don’t believe work? I’d love to see the research you’re basing your opinion on.

[@NZ-fo8tp]

@@EmBurglar easy, here you go. Goddard G, Shen Y, Steele B, Springer N. A controlled trial of placebo versus real acupuncture. J Pain. 2005 Apr;6(4):237-42. doi: 10.1016/j.jpain.2004.12.009. PMID: 15820911.

[@NZ-fo8tp]

@@EmBurglar Want another one on how they verify the placebo: Tough EA, White AR, Richards SH, Lord B, Campbell JL. Developing and validating a sham acupuncture needle. Acupunct Med. 2009 Sep;27(3):118-22. doi: 10.1136/aim.2009.000737. PMID: 19734382.

[@NZ-fo8tp]

@@EmBurglar Another? Deng S, Zhao X, DU R, et al. Is acupuncture no more than a placebo? Extensive discussion required about possible bias. Exp Ther Med. 2015;10(4):1247-1252. doi:10.3892/etm.2015.2653

[@petersill1675]

After having meticulously receiving cerebral acupuncture over a series of years for seizures from taking psych. meds, I have to say without a doubt that this expert may want to put down his abrupt disbelief. Abruptness meaning studies take years and he hasn't given the research that time allowance. I wish him the best of luck in his pursuits and where they lead him.

[@JunkBondTrader]

There's been so many studies though... peer reviewed studies.

[@petersill1675]

I am the living proof after 15 years of brain acupuncture and am now very much alive. My cerebral acupuncturist is from Manchuria, NE China. I took Chinese medicine, three large cups a day, was bled with cups for almost twenty years, and had needles stuck in my head for fifteen years twice a week. If you don't believe, no matter. That makes me the Manchurian Candidate for longevity

[@enzolumare5680]

@@petersill1675 anecdotal evidence is not the same as scientific evidence. Sorry to say this but your experience proves nothing

[@VA-gu1jq]

@@cakenbake844Both of those statements are wildly stupid.

[@nicholasmartin297]

I had acupuncture in the U.K. from a registered practising doctor (anaesthetist) who was a professional colleague. (I was a registered nurse). I’d had severe chronic back pain for years in a very specific spot. That was back in 1995 approximately. It worked like a miracle. I had two treatments although he said only one was usually required. Now, in 2024, that pain in that specific area has never returned. I’m naturally a sceptic when it comes to “complimentary medicine”, but I can say it really worked for me. 100%. I don’t know how, but it really worked.

[@xiaomingjin8553]

It is very disappointing that he simply ignores all scientific and clinical evidence that clearly show the effect of acupuncture to many diseases. And he likely know nothing about it.

[@talkdatrue]

Of course, when big pharma writes your med books you end up believing only drugs can cure and everything else is bs.

[@BalrajSingh-gg3qm]

So what evidence are you talking about? Perhaps some rubish biased study done by some chinese university?

[@JunkBondTrader]

he's well accomplished in the field. What do you havee against Google?

[@Acuware]

​@@JunkBondTrader I am well accomplished in both acupuncture and biomedicine research. Do not blindly believe someone whose statement is not backed by facts and knowledge!

[@mofynn]

Because medicine is so focused on being better than a placebo, it often overlooks how effective placebos are. Medicine only has to be better than a placebo because it has side effects that are negative. A treatment without harmful side effects or dangers, that works only because of placebo is still a good treatment. If you ignore the lived experiences of patients, it leads to pushing patients that would benefit from Holistic treatments into treating themselves, sometimes with harm like with MMS.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

you literally described placebo. placebo can work. it just isnt real medicine

[@JunkBondTrader]

its only good for people that lie to themselves, if people didn't, placebo wouldn't matter or be a thing. It wworks by doing something they could have done with a change of mindset. its not doing anything per say, people are just unsuspending their belief subconsciously lol.

[@jennywang9995]

The video upsets not because of his position, but because he didn't really explain his position with enough evidence, sufficient sources and information to back him up. To have a strong conclusion such as ___ is USELESS or quackery and to present an opinion on a health-related subject, the presenter needs more than just one study or at least more than just mentioning "according to LiteRally 1000s of subjects..." (aka the most unscientific thing to do). I just don't see the point of the video and feel like it is further polarizing opinions while stealing views...

[@alicekim7351]

What he said about the studies is true though. Real acupuncture and sham acupuncture both show positive results. But hey, it's positive results either way.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

dude, u can just google it. he is a doctor. you dont ask doctors to give you studies as proof whenever they diagnose you do you?

[@JunkBondTrader]

this is a brief. You can easily find peer reviewed shit on google. Its not hard. Buddy has done studies himself and has tons of literature on the field. You want this video to be a 12 hour university lecture? he probably made it simple cos he knew simpletons who believe acupuncture will be watching...

[@AntoineGrangier]

Acupuncture works in unexpected ways! I had needles for my lung cancer but it was my cat who got cured for its arthritis. If that isn't proof enough...

[@mirowestmaas4566]

Ho ho ho idjat

[@nihaoma7744]

Ok let's not try to argue whether it is really effective or placebo or not. But one thing is for sure, it definitely has helped many people. Whether if its real science it is debatable, but it can atleast help ease pain and discomfort in some people and I think it should be considered a win.

[@redd-qh4xn]

Wait Do mean muscles knots because stuff can be annoying at times.

[@clockywork]

So fake professionals should be allowed to sell this fake service to you because of the placebo effect? No dude. You do need to argue if it's real or not

[@X4R2]

@@clockywork, apparently a lot of people think acupuncture is worth their money. However, I agree that paying for acupuncture training may be unnecessary. We should probably pay for doctors to study placebo medicine instead (which is a thing). Anyway, for now acupuncture provides an alternative for people who have had no luck with other options, so I world say it's worthwhile.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

you literally described placebo. placebo can work. it just isnt real medicine

[@jaimechavesl.ac.5946]

Just one of many quality studies done on acupuncture. Research the research to avoid opinion bias. Acupuncture works. Time tested for thousands of years and integrated in hospitals all over the world. Vickers, et al. Acupuncture for Chronic Pain: Update of an Individual Patient Data Meta-Analysis. Journal of Pain 2018 MSK pain, osteoarthritis, chronic headache, or shoulder pain Pain and functional outcome assessed 39 trials consisting of 20,827 patients Conclusion: Acupuncture has a clinically relevant effect on chronic pain that persists over time The effect of acupuncture cannot be explained only by placebo effects Factors in addition to the specific effects of needling are important contributors Referral for acupuncture treatment is a reasonable option for chronic pain pts

[@BottleOJamie]

conclusion: placebo is very real

[@JunkBondTrader]

there is a lot more research going to other way, if you actually researched the research.

[@JunkBondTrader]

lol well he's an acupuncturist. A quack defending a psuedoscience. "this purse saleseman on the street corner says his purses are real! they must be". Nice research you did there. you gotta look up the authors too. listen to medical researchers who have no agenda but to find out what works and what doesn't. also those symptoms are also temporarily relieved by massage. Those are teh only type of symptoms that acupuncture seems to be able to temporarily heal, because its simple muscle and nerve stimulation.

[@gogemusicimprov4421]

If acupuncture is placebo, placebo is the medicine superior to the medicine you are developing, man

[@anaskhalifeh2322]

can you specifically talk about those studies that show that acupuncture doesn't work. thousands of studies show that acupuncture works and its gaining popularity day after day. many hospitals include acupuncture in their practice ( Mayo clinic, Cleveland clinic ..etc) and Harvard university has a spacial education program of acupuncture for MD doctors. ACUPUNCTURE DOES WORK for human and Animals its not a placebo effect

[@Nothing_serious]

It is. It's not real science.

[@EpsilonFilms]

Citations please. Also, the fact that many hospitals offer it is irrelevant to determining whether it works. Hospitals also offer homeopathy, which is just water.

[@syzyphyz]

Hospitals also sell junk food in their cafeterias, it doesn't become health food just because you bought it in a hospital cafeteria. Bad logic here.

[@jaredduran3828]

yes i agree it works

[@vrldc8966]

In Baltimore Hopkins (perhaps the best hospital in the Nation) does use acupuncture to treat illness, but it is used as an adjunction to standard medical practices for things like relaxation and stress relief. There are not "thousands of studies" showing it works as an effective form of medicine. Studies show it can have a placebo effect and work with relaxation -- which is different than using it to treat the physically ill. Also, hospitals have this stuff around because people today believe in it, which helps doctors treat some patients more effectively. That was my experience at Hopkins.

[@regular5571]

Well, I guess it works as a placebo at least for the ones that really believes this bullcrap

[@regular5571]

lmao the sadness

[@bloobloo600]

JetCake you're sad.

[@SulthanRrafi]

Igor it feels good either way, so you can see it has a recreational purpose.

[@TechnocraticDreadnought]

+Sulthan Rafi or as an expensive scam.

[@TechnocraticDreadnought]

+Regular It does not work, at all. the placebo effect is caused by the gullible who believe that it works.

[@aidanbrown9157]

This is wholly outdated. Go check leading Stanford neurologists say on this; there are now a whole series of papers in well established journals showing the opposite. It does worj

[@jht3fougifh393]

Lots of people mad about science messing with their voodoo.

[@crackie1878]

I posted the links to the original article and the one study it referenced but must have violated some rule. All participants in the study also received "electrostimulation, herbs, moxibustion and other modalities", so not a strong study to rule on placebo effect.

[@YashVyas-bj8zz]

Now listen. There are aspects to the human body and our universe that have simply not been comprehended or discovered yet by modern science. Chi, prana, energy flow in the body is one such example. Electricity was not discovered or used for long time, but that doesn't mean that it did not exist in our universe and the human body.

[@nancymcnally7849]

Traditional Chinese Medicine IS medicine. Even if only a placebo affect, does that not count as an effect? I have had insomnia my entire life (starting at 7). When I was in Massage Therapy school, we took a course on TCM and one of the modalities was acupuncture. I didn't tell the woman that was doing the acupuncture what i wanted to be treated for and allowed her to use her accessment. She chose to treat insomnia and anger (yep) and I have never slept better in my entire life!

[@thiagorosamd]

"Acupuncture doesn't work for any indication" = "I have no idea what I'm talking about"

[@breakhart]

I can't bend my lower back because of an accident. I just put it aside for months, after 30 minutes of acupuncture combine with electric stimulation I can bend over again with no problem. acupuncture also help ne prevent CTS on my hand. I was sceptic too back then, but after that monent I kinda became believer. just like cupping and chiropractic, not all kind of problem can be fixed with acupuncture but it worthwhile to try

[@maxinemoo6972]

Why does it work on a dog? She had Encephalitis for 7 years and she was finally able to get off steroids with acupuncture.

[@TheSuperLegoMan100]

why are you sticking needles into your dog wtf

[@sticktv3629]

Animals can feel the placebo effect too

[@Ivan-bg1jp]

How? Do you make the dogs understand that the needles are something that can cure them? Do they understand human language?@@sticktv3629

[@elfrank333]

acupunture is useless but meditation and massage therapy with vibration and sound therapy do help a lot with anxiety disorders

[@joa8593]

According to the National Institute of Health: multiple studies have found acupuncture is more effective than sham acupuncture or placebo and is comparable to NSAIDs in efficacy. The American College of Physicians recommends it as a first line nonpharmacologic treatment for certain types of pain in their clinical practice guidelines.

[@Mochachocakon]

"The clinical research shows" *provides no linked studies*

[@asanmohamed4787]

Acupuncture does work bro. It's becoming 2nd most alternative medicine after allopathy. More & more allopathy doctors study acupuncture. More patients come to acupuncture for their good results. It all depends on the healer knowledge.

[@JunkBondTrader]

ok and alternative medicine is ALL ineffective compared to real medicine which accoutns for nearly all treatments. Talk about big slice of a small pie lol.

[@kakarot2768]

The question is really if the patient can relax while in pain. If you have had a really painful physical trauma, your autonomous nervous system will not let you. Breath work can help if you cannot afford a treatment! Hope this helps somebody, and hopefully someone at Yale can make this guy less analog

[@saintavallon5250]

I have recovered from sinusitis due to acupuncture.

[@mattrivera7247]

how do you know it was the acupuncture? i had sinusitis and ate mcdonald’s and it went away the next day. does that mean mcdonald’s cured my sinusitis? no.

[@saintavallon5250]

@@mattrivera7247 sinusitis means that the lungs are not functioning properly. Oxygen circulation is not well received by the brain. With acupuncture, the lung nerves are strengthened. I did acupuncture therapy 25 times and now it is completely healed.

[@comodohomes5712]

I think this so called "doctor" is completely arrogant by straight forwardly saying it is useless. This is exactly the type of scientist who thinks he knows how the universe works but actually there are infinite number of events that human can't explain up to this day. I have a friend who had cancer 15 years ago and still alive like a normal person until today because of the needles and no doctor prescriptions (since doctors have given up on him). How do you explain that now doctors? There are lots of ways in medicine practice and we should not only be revolving around western medicine. "You are a man looking at the world through a keyhole, and spend your whole life trying to widen that keyhole" -ancient one, doctor strange.

[@evila9076]

There's no way acupuncture saved your friend He's just been lucky the cancer became dormant or got mutated in some way that allowed the immune system to recognize it People should treat acupuncture the same way they do a massage not as a miraculous medecine

[@JunkBondTrader]

your friend fixed his ailment mentally, himself. The placebo got him in the mindset to do so. Placebo is a excuse/reason that's for people who lie to themselves to finally get over their mental block.

[@silverlocs]

Acupuncture works, and that's all that matters! I used to be a non-believer too. I had a chronic cough for 20 years and no matter what tests and treatments I got. Then one doctor suggested surgery to verify a shadow in my lung, because nobody knew what was going on. But I really wanted a non-surgical solution if I could help it so I booked an alternative medicine appointment at an acupuncture clinic. Two sessions over two days cured it for good and it never came back. Traditional medicine has been tested on humans for thousands of years, there's a reason they can be passed down. Modern medicine goes through quick clinical trials that don't even last tens of years. Please don't bash natural remedies just because they are less expensive, don't bankrupt families, and earn pharma companies trillions of dollars. It's okay if we don't understand it and don't have the technology to detect what is going on yet; but there are people who can't wait and to brainwash them from getting the treatment they need is pure evil.

[@deehlgrm9379]

enjoy your placebo

[@carlodicara789]

Acupuncture WORKS AMAZINGLY WELL for Me but THAT DOES NOT MEAN It WILL for EVERY Body!

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

look up what placebo means. placebo can work

[@carlodicara789]

@@Goldenretriever-k8mDEFINE Placebo FOR Me.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

@@carlodicara789 he explained in the video lol. did you watch the video? medicine has to work BETTER than the placebo in trials to be considered good and effective medicine

[@Grayhawk95]

I did acupuncture on a lady having an asthma attack on an airplane where there were nurses who couldn't help her. I stuck her with a needle in a lung channel point and watched as her O2 saturation went from 85 to mid 90s.

[@BillyMillion]

They let you bring needles on a plane?

[@wolpumba4099]

*Abstract* This video discusses the efficacy of acupuncture as a medical treatment. The speaker, referencing thousands of clinical studies, argues that acupuncture is essentially an elaborate placebo. They emphasize that the location of needle insertion and even the act of inserting needles itself is irrelevant to the observed effects, which are attributed solely to the placebo effect. *Summary* *Acupuncture Efficacy* * 0:00 - Needle placement is inconsequential to the effectiveness of acupuncture. * 0:11 - Evidence suggests acupuncture functions as a placebo. * 0:24 - The traditional definition of acupuncture involves inserting needles into specific points related to symptoms. * 0:36 - Extensive research indicates needle placement is irrelevant to the outcome. * 0:43 - Studies using random needle placement or even toothpicks achieve similar results to traditional acupuncture. *Placebo Effect vs. True Efficacy* * 0:56 - The speaker interprets the evidence to mean that the act of acupuncture itself is ineffective. * 1:08 - Attributing acupuncture's effectiveness to the placebo effect is likened to a pharmaceutical company claiming both their drug and a placebo are effective because they outperform no treatment. * 1:24 - This reasoning is not considered scientifically sound or evidence-based medicine. * 1:28 - Thousands of studies support the conclusion that acupuncture is ineffective for any medical condition. i used gemini 1.5 pro to summarize the transcript Token count 956 / 1,048,576

[@xslickshotzx]

Acupuncture is great for muscle relief, it's like pinpoint massage but probably won't do much for abnormal medical conditions

[@Bj-yf3im]

It depends how serious it is. Western medicine is much better at dealing with acute injuries and illnesses, and abnormal growths like tumours which require operations. But acupuncture can support the body's healing mechanism and treat pain.

[@lashgash789]

We gotto show this to a acupuncturist. We need the both parties face to face

[@kobiianardo]

dont know if acupuncture works or not, but why so dismissive towards the placebo effect of acupuncture? maybe there's something psychological with toothpick pokes that's worth digging into (as many people swears by it).... i guess much like how hypothetically you can take a sugar pill before any psychological therapy/counciling and calling a new placebo.

[@unpeacedralberteinsteinsze6395]

Google acpuncture international conference If it doesn't work, why international conference every year in Europe, Asia or usa

[@colins7771]

@@unpeacedralberteinsteinsze6395 lol what a stupid question. Why the conference ? Because it is a gigantic money making practice.

[@MajinFajita]

I'll put it to you this way if i can give my teachers and my parents a placebo effect of them thinking i was taking my Adderall medication for adhd in elementary school when i wasn't even taking it and they said they immediately noticed a difference in my overall behavior then it is very possible to create a market using sugar pills for therapy it's just easier to disprove and more likely to end up on the news and social media as fraud.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

you literally described placebo. placebo can work. it just isnt real medicine

[@Ivan-bg1jp]

Then you've also placebo-ed yourself in the process, stupid@@MajinFajita

[@Jnor116]

Ahh yes the old appeal to authority fallacy. He works at Yale so he must know what he is talking about! Yet there is no reference to the studies, no study actually named to be reviewed. Literally the video assumes you will take his word at face value because the word Yale is used near his name. So the old appeal to ignorance fallacy argument as well. Well played for the uneducated, but those that actually know how debate works would tear this video apart and the opinion of the person who made it. Especially since accupuncture is used in the field of physiotherapy, because research into the placebo effect has shown it to help in pain reduction.

[@colemooney3721]

then tear it apart lol

[@killerxzwanzig]

If a placebo works it has a use...

[@ミラー-u8l]

It won't work to skeptical people

[@54jb3r7]

Yes, but you don't need to stick the needle is the point and thus it's unnecessarily invasive and better treatments can be developed.

[@ellaneruda]

But I’m poor

[@natashaestes154]

Alt-med folks often say western/conventional medicine just treats the symptoms while they [holistic peeps] treat the whole person. But it's actually the opposite, especially if CAM [complimentary & alternative medicine] is just placebo, which, be definition, doesn't actually fix anything but only makes you think it has. For instance, you can believe all you want that your nose is gonna stop running, but an antihistamine will actually make it happen. Ultimately it boils down to vitalism vs germ theory. Though why vitalists dislike vaccines confuses me, since those aim to make the body stronger. Then we can ask what makes & counts as a healthy internal environment & the bs sensationalism of the anti-vax folks. We could get into quantum healing & the law of attraction aspects of vitalism, but those are proven bs [magnetic field of brain waves isn't strong enough, confirmation bias, no such thing as universal consciousness, etc]. Also, vitalism is essentially faith healing & shouldn't be covered by healthcare [such as chiroquacktic] unless you want your tax dollars to fund the prayers of the religion you like the least & fear the most. A positive attitude doesn't fix your health problems anyway. Pretty much the best it can do is increase the release feel-good hormones & reduce the release of stress hormones. But it doesn't create a specified immune response. Boosting the immune system isn't the same thing as specified immune cells. An elevated immune system is actually an auto-immune disease, which is essentially a death sentence. Placebo doesn't "work." It barely treats the symptoms, not the cause. And it definitely doesn't treat the whole person.

[@syzyphyz]

That's like taking sugar pills instead of chemo if you have cancer. Yes there might be placebo benefit, but medicine by definition has to exceed the results of placebo to be scientifically relevant.

[@queeziesqueenie4335]

very interesting to watch saying that acupuncture is USELESS........ with two Medical Doctor Degree in Medicine and Traditional Chinese Medicine (which also includes Acupuncture), I am pretty sure it works and certainly can not only relief pain but also treat internal medicine diseases. Try it yourself. Only this way, you'll know.

[@meichuentay3061]

Good to know that there’s someone with two qualifications looking at diseases from different perspectives

[@wisemage0]

The guy with the acupuncture degree is in favour of acupuncture? No way! 🤯