Dude, thank you so much for putting out this method. I am most interested in PVM and have literally never done any sort of tick manipulation but I think this is officially my gateway. I watch lots of your videos and really love your podcasts so I have been wanting to try tick manipulation for a while and just started today. To be completely honest, mining is still kind of a means to an end for me but my gosh those xp rates are so satisfying. And I’ve heard you say many times how it feels really good to click a resource and immediately get it and you are absolutely right. Thanks again for putting this out man. Really appreciate the value you add to the Osrs community! 😊
@SC-ko9nkАй бұрын
hi if anyone else is having issues learning, it's a 4 tick cycle, 2 on 2 off. Click, click, wait two ticks, click click, wait two ticks, click click, etc
@heboxjonge11 ай бұрын
actually not against this spell idea, id like to see it have a good cooldown tho. 21ticks, same as magic imbue, would still need for a couple ores to be dropped to not like make every skilling method click spell simulator. i think no bonus smithing xp is better for a tradeoff than a heavy rune cost. personally hate when spells have obnoxious rune costs like 12 blood/souls to them
@yurf011 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this playlist. Loving the skilling sessions you've been uploading.
@RUNESCAPER12311 ай бұрын
This is actually insane
@mihuuuu11 ай бұрын
goddam i wasn't aware of any of these, and now I'm 98 mining already 😅 but these methods look awesome
@eds722811 ай бұрын
I like disintegrate as an idea. You're also totally right that skilling sucks because you never gain anything other than xp. It would be fun to have more skilling drops. There's progression, like forestry. There's also a reason people prefer the skilling bosses etc. Really at this point i don't see a good reason not to pay a price to note the item at a nearby npc like sandstone etc. While we are at it just make all rocks but rune and Iron/sandstone/ granite/gems act like trees or adjust the success and respawn rates. Id also be for a total revamp/ rework of mining where its kinda skilling dungeoneering expert you're exploring/ digging a mine shaft to find ores etc, higher levels let you go deeper etc. Rooms you find are filled with 10 rocks they all give 10x xp and ores in your "dungeon loot" then if you make it out you keep them. Puzzles and stuff along the way. Have traps, tick based obstacles which damage you, maybe falling rocks from the ceiling which can hit you/ gas which you have to pay attention to/ take poison damage if you dont wear the gas mask. Different mine shafts have different ores, maybe some more dangerous routes offering xp but less rewards, slower routes offering more loot
@krymk_11 ай бұрын
Have you tried doing tick manip in resizeable? Way easier on the wrists.
@blairrad47023 ай бұрын
i'm getting 50k max. wtf. obivously i'm doing it wrong but I don't get it.
@SootyPhoenix3 ай бұрын
You have to click on the exact right tick every time. Very annoying and tedious, but all mining methods are 🙁
@SootyPhoenix3 ай бұрын
As someone who just did this from lvl 66-68 and know I did it right, I can confirm if your mining lvl was also low you may have been doing it right. It was just not possible to get more than 60k/h at lvl 67-68 with this method.
@HiddenCrazy10 ай бұрын
Don’t understand how to get in cycle Click 1st rock, and instant mine 2nd After that, clicking rocks but not mining them Tried slowing down, speeding up I have no idea what you’re doing
@nc818611 ай бұрын
Nice video saydor
@Budabaii11 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree more on the topic of moving towards methods that allow you to bank materials. As I've been playing an ironman for the first time, I've gone out of my way to do less efficient methods for this exact purpose.
@Awenixx11 ай бұрын
And is there actually a problem with that? You're sacrificing xp in order to gather resources. Seems like a solid balance. Why should the game suddenly be balanced around achieving both at the same time? You picked up ironman for a reason. For mains, alting during 4g is very doable and you can easily make 500k-1.5m/h during the skill depending on the effort you want to put in.
@Budabaii11 ай бұрын
@@Awenixx I'd rather do activities that give no resources but offer high exp. dropping items just feels tacky.
@Awenixx11 ай бұрын
That is literally as Old School Runescape as it gets? It bewilders me that you guys are trying to change the last bit of Old School feel we have left in this game to get 1% of redditers to try 4g for an hour and quit. How is all the updates that have came into this game not enough for you? Blast mine, VM, MLM updated to the moon, shooting stars, gem mining. 4g has gotten astronomically easier with plugins and updates. Why can't you just do VM and get 90-105k/h and be happy with that? Why do you guys need to get that extra 25k/h and ruin this meta. You are taking all skill out of 4g if you remove dropping.
@Budabaii11 ай бұрын
@@Awenixx I get it, you like what you like... and that's okay... we can disagree. I really don't understand what your beef with reddit has to do with my comment on a youtube video. chill out, tough guy.
@Awenixx11 ай бұрын
@@Budabaii What do you mean tough guy? I was hoping you would actually respond to my questions. I am genuinely curious if you have tried VM, gem mining, or blast mine? That sounds up your alley for what you're looking for. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that if you can get 105k/h at VM where you're not dropping and not putting any strain on your wrist, you don't need to remove all skill from 4g by removing dropping. For what it's worth, disintegrate as it stands wouldn't do that. But based on your comments (and others in the comment section) it sounds like you would prefer it to nuke the whole inventory of rocks/fish/logs. This video and this push to "save skilling" seems to be targeted at star miners so that's what I'm talking about when I say reddit.
@currentcommerce477411 ай бұрын
it would be nice if someday we got a skilling offhand that just deletes any resource basically the ely of skilling
@lullfig187511 ай бұрын
huge vid
@saltontoast11 ай бұрын
Dropping items is the most annoying part of skilling
@tp802511 ай бұрын
Disagree drop items old fashion.
@bendover207711 ай бұрын
Hey I recently got all the giant seaweed I need to get 99 crafting on my iron, is there a spot near the grinder that this method works for sandstone?
@soullegend511 ай бұрын
Cool, also fuck this ill stick to afk mining stars
@nefereous908211 ай бұрын
Nobody explained the double roll of tick manipulation methods to me before. Now that you mention it, I've definitely noticed the increased success chance. Thanks for explaining.
@CatnamedMittens11 ай бұрын
Never noticed it until this year
@ClickBaitQT11 ай бұрын
It happens if your power mining Iron ore as well, you can 'feel' how it instantly mines one ore
@sekhonisasleep11 ай бұрын
this man is doing everything in his power to get people alway from shooting stars 🤣
@janitorizamped11 ай бұрын
Truly a man of the people.
@itchigo324511 ай бұрын
While being on shooting stars the last few podcasts 😂
@nicholascummons101111 ай бұрын
Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I play a lot of mobile in addition to PC and I find it frustrating that I can’t do many tick manip methods well due to the weird tick delay of the tap to drop function, but this method doesn’t actually require tapping items in your inventory as well as dropping, so this is extremely viable on mobile as an alternative to 3t4g. Thanks for sharing!
@tsadrertewrt143911 ай бұрын
you'd have more success teaching Helen Keller chinese than teaching a redditor a skilling method that involves more than 120 clicks per hour
@1davidj11 ай бұрын
speed clicking everything in your invent is bad content, id be happy with a spell like that
@erabeus11 ай бұрын
If you don't have the desert amulet 4 but have 99 HP, the HP cape + regen bracer will out-heal desert heat.
@Allpowerfulpale11 ай бұрын
Or just wear circlet of water
@sargurak11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great video, might check this out soon. Need 6 levels for max cape and was thinking about gemstones or blast mining since you do profit some from it, but this could save some time to do some bossing after getting the cape. Also having a Lunar spell like that would be a nice progression from shift drop and now menu-entry swapper. I was just thinking how far the game has gone too since the old days, I can't ever imagine going back to the old right and left click to drop items.
@Adoptulous11 ай бұрын
Absolutely unreal, thank you for sharing
@externalboss940411 ай бұрын
Adamant Pickaxe 💪
@ethan-cu4ne11 ай бұрын
nice, i watched this while having my client minimized and gaining 25k/hr
@spujika11 ай бұрын
How about letting the Disintegrate spell give you granite dust so you get some of that "banking reward" from Mining, and so that we have another source of it.
@Nuvizzle11 ай бұрын
That would make granite dust tradeable which I think Jagex specifically does not want.
@olicool1111 ай бұрын
That would be really cool. Its a niche enough item that giving this extra source wouldn't have much impact on bossing either, its not like people do GGs for the dust.
@burton71011 ай бұрын
@@Nuvizzleit wouldn't necessarily make dust tradable, just another method of obtaining. you would still need to process, and like another commentor stated give it a cool down similar to magic imbue,
@tryrespect59717 күн бұрын
11 months late but, does the double role chance work with any ore in the game for example rune or adamant, and by any chance what's the % on the chance roll from those. I really wonder if you found something here you can take far further than just xp. Can we use this for gp? Would be a cool idea.
@paulvictor748911 ай бұрын
lmfao... I''ve been explaining double rolling to the clan for 2 days and ironically here you are with a vid.
@LayneJ1012 күн бұрын
Would this work with new calcified rocks? Ive seen 1.5t with manip didn't know if you can use the delayed action with addy there too.
@selkokieli84311 ай бұрын
You know your hlc metas etc but also understand the sensibilities of the average player. I appreciate that a lot! I'm also hoping for more reasonably good xp methods that bank resources, for the dopamin hits and concrete sense of progression.
@bigglock547811 ай бұрын
I literally have 20k addy pickaxes LOL. Here I go!
@kalef123411 ай бұрын
Watching this high. Bro, if I didn't play RuneScape or know what it was, I would be watching this video and thinking that these people are insane for calling this game. 😂
@Youtubehandle5797 ай бұрын
Mining solved, tyvm. @80 mining, all things point to VM. However the Discord everyone suggests is dead. The minigame fc is empty, and mass worlds are utter chaos (no one knows how to play it). Disintegrate is a great idea! 1-tick delay seems wise. Item sink aswell.
@Michael_Unce11 ай бұрын
I cant imagine what a modern day king of the skill mode would be like with all these new methods
@VallianceRS11 ай бұрын
almost the same as before. EHP methods havent changed. 3t4g is still optimal.
@Awenixx11 ай бұрын
For disintegrate spell, thoughts on removing the 5 rock cap but the spell takes longer to cast depending on the amount of rocks in invent? I'm not suggesting a crazy amount of time (maybe xp/h could cap at 115kish), but I feel like there is a balance we could reach where we still retain the "power skilling" meta but this could be useful as a way to learn how to do the methods with a little side reward(the smithing xp) or a more mellow alternative to dropping like you're suggesting. For what it's worth, in regards to not feeling like xp is enough of a reward.. I think in a grind base gamed such as OSRS when it comes to skilling, xp should be the highest priority reward when it comes to effort. If we were to suddenly add some sort of gp reward as well then the max rate should take at least a 10% xp/h hit imo. I don't believe there's any problem with this. If someone is quitting over being mad about 117k/h with gp and not being able to get 130k/h with gp that's an unreasonable expectation imo.
@xbeliefs42425 ай бұрын
Add the ability to superheat granite for no resource return but gain smithing xp. Add rewards to desert diary to allow superheat to destroy multiple granite at a time, so maybe 3 for med, 6 for hard, and 9 for elite. Drop scape is so 07.
@jacksonlolrs11 ай бұрын
in the last week sae bae has done every single possible mining method 🤣 Keep it up never seen this method before
@dem07gainz885 ай бұрын
shift click drop is way faster than casting a spell to disintigrate 5 ores mining is suposed to be slow and hard changing it to make it faster would just make it easyscape witch is what oldshool doesnt want to be obviouslyyyyy
@pmqtpqbtmz395611 ай бұрын
Just started trying this method. I'm about 5 minutes in and damn its addicting!
@7svn.11 ай бұрын
This works with irons i did this years ago lol
@aeiouaeiou10011 ай бұрын
Is this the same xp as that celastrus bark method?
@Saeder11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it’s only worth doing if you don’t have an infernal pickaxe, though, because it’s a lot of dropping.
@OSRS2ndBase11 ай бұрын
This is an absolutely incredible method. Thank you! Saving this one for sure
@trgs3011 ай бұрын
Disintegrate is such a good idea
@BlauerDegen11 ай бұрын
Gonna actually try this method next time I need to lvl mining
@Brolochaoski11 ай бұрын
Sounds a lot more like what the lunar spell book is all about than anything else. Super glass make, making bowstrings, tan hides, disintegrate. Edit, they could also potentially just shift humidify into a position to degrade x amount of granite In your inventory
@urm9m70311 ай бұрын
Pretty sick, though I feel like for the non-tick manip crowd the "click rock then click other rock away from you" is probably still too much work/too complex
@dpeev03 ай бұрын
Dude ur the best explaining how it works I am subbing to you
@nochoc11 ай бұрын
very cool technology. If i ever want to max another account i will be doing some of this!
@kevinpoitras236811 ай бұрын
NEW mining method gnome cube havers don't want you to know!
@harley7526 ай бұрын
"no tick manipulation required" *spends the first 5 minutes of the video saying tick 1000 times, immediately lost my attention lol hope the method is killer, but im out lol bye
@YourKyckling6 ай бұрын
Lol, he's just talking about how it works, u really don't need to manipulate anything
@OG_Mikey_B11 ай бұрын
Wait how the hell is 4 tick 110k/hr and 3t4g is like 123k/hr? Shouldn't they be in a 4:3 ratio so if this is 110k/hr, then 3t4g would be like 146k/hr? What am I missing here?
@DRRRRZ11 ай бұрын
the double roll
@Saeder11 ай бұрын
Celestial ring. 3t4g actually caps at 143k with all the boosting gear and 99
@OG_Mikey_B11 ай бұрын
@@SaederThanks for the reply, and that makes sense. Sometimes I forget ehp rates aren't set at the extreme perfect hour but rather what's expected to be maintainable long term. I was remembering the 123k figure from the old ehp rates pre celestial ring
@sgtdezy17804 ай бұрын
sooo bug exploits are cool now. your not supposed to be able to do this it's not a tick manip so it's def not supposed to be done. idk jagex be wishy washy when it comes to these bugs.
@SootyPhoenix3 ай бұрын
This IS tick manipulation, despite the thumbnail stating otherwise. And you aren't supposed to be able to do do any tick manipulation method, all tick manipulation is a bug - but Jagex decided it's allowed regardless.
@R1SH111 ай бұрын
Assuming a 70% chance of a successful mine with Addy pickaxe, double roll will give a 91% chance of successful mine
@Melwiii11 ай бұрын
Mind sharing the math?
@gardmyhr612111 ай бұрын
@@Melwiii 70% then add another 70% of 30% and 91%
@erikstenberg938911 ай бұрын
1-0.3^2 100%-chance to fail both rolls@@Melwiii
@BenMesick11 ай бұрын
@@Melwiii 70% chance of success on first roll. The chance of doing a second roll and it succeeding is 30% (failing the first) * 70% (succeeding the second) = 21%. The chance of doing a second roll and failing that too is 30% (failing the first) * 30% (failing the second) = 9%. Total chance of success = 70% + 21% = 91%.
@towelcat11 ай бұрын
@@Melwiii Because you have two rolls, you have to fail both of them for an overall failure. So the success rate is 1 - (chance_fail ^ 2) = 1 - (0.3 ^ 2) = 0.91
@1JeanPearl111 ай бұрын
really good ideas saeder, i'm curious what other people think or jagex thinks
@mustafaibrahim4827Ай бұрын
this is a great guide. better than the rest highly recommend
@UIM_Loki11 ай бұрын
bro this is sick i love it
@andrewv278211 ай бұрын
0:55 i swear theres tiles like this in the giant mole cave and it drives me NUTS
@RafaelB171711 ай бұрын
You have the best skilling guides! I love how forthright they are. Thanks!
@l3allinJames11 ай бұрын
This is insane! Thanks bro!
@AIIu_11 ай бұрын
Such a cool method. I had fun with the celastrus bark gem mining method too. Keep it up!
@tsurie663411 ай бұрын
Crashed stars is 400k xp a day with 30 clicks an hour...
@ItsJoebie11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice method, I was getting ~75k xp/hr with 87 mining. I'm sure i messed up every now and then.
@sadied0g11 ай бұрын
why are skilling method videos demonetized lmao
@Saeder11 ай бұрын
Copyrighted music that I choose to add.
@Irondurrrrr11 ай бұрын
Sae bae for Nobel peace prize
@antoniocasillas30135 ай бұрын
What quest unlocks this area
@AfterOwls11 ай бұрын
Does this only work with Adamant Pickaxe?
@Saeder11 ай бұрын
Yup
@noobmaster319 ай бұрын
I can drop my entire inventory in like 5 seconds, and I suspect other people can do it in like 3 seconds. Casting a spell 5 times would take like 10-15 seconds depending on how many ticks it takes to cast. If that spell existed, it should probably disintegrate like 10 items at a time for it to be worth the runes while at the same time not de-incentivizing those who can drop an inventory in 3-5 seconds. Basically, it'd be like paying GP to save your hands from carpal tunnel.
@CryptionGaming11 ай бұрын
Just curious what happens if you start the 4t cycle with an addy pickaxe and then switch to a dragon pickaxe when you go to mine? Does it give even further increased chance? Furthermore what if you just have the dragon pickaxe in your invent but you wield the addy pickaxe? AFAIK the game chooses the best pickaxe you have when you try to mine something
@erabeus11 ай бұрын
Pickaxe does not affect the chance of mining rocks, unlike axes which do affect the chance of chopping logs. Only your mining level affects your mining roll chance. I don't know if the game would choose the dragon pickaxe if you had it in your inventory, but if it did this method would not work since you would not be starting a 4-tick cycle when clicking on a rock.
@MohammadChughtaiH11 ай бұрын
Im still not following why this works for 4-tick pickaxes, but not for 3-tick ones. Mind explaining that further in the comments? Thanks so much for an awesome video!
@hobo_clownshoes8 ай бұрын
I always like learning new methods especially for a skill like mining! Not to sound like a noob, but what plug in is that where you have a settings button and a highwayman mask looking button on your Worn equipment tab?
@heavylifter678411 ай бұрын
Amazing idea
@joeydutton96111 ай бұрын
Big brain strats. I like it 🤓☝🏼
@Karhu1211 ай бұрын
This looks great! Thanks for sharing.
@michaelwinn96809 ай бұрын
this should also work for sandstone mining to get more buckets/hr where theres that L shape closest to the sand deposit as well, no?
@im420back11 ай бұрын
this is so dope man way to go
@owmegwoagm11 ай бұрын
🤯
@Twittchyy11 ай бұрын
Interesting video. I’ll be at shooting star while raiding on alt
@kingleonidax731711 ай бұрын
Good spell idea
@tizoc187211 ай бұрын
Legend
@Tonypollyoly11 ай бұрын
interesting video
@ThePrototypexx11 ай бұрын
Love this
@waxy446611 ай бұрын
Does this method work for sandstone on a early game ironman and would it be worth doing?
@Radishboy11 ай бұрын
What if humidify would just combine all your low weight sandstone/granite into a heavy one?
@look876611 ай бұрын
similar to one of the proposed desert treasure 2 curses that was initially pitched. I think something like this will be added in the next year or so
@thegesheep837611 ай бұрын
Nice
@DaemonRayge11 ай бұрын
Everyone panic buy adamant pickaxes. Also, wouldn't it be easier to only click on the granite rocks?
@Saeder11 ай бұрын
clicking a depleted rock doesn't start the skilling cycle.
@Jachammer9311 ай бұрын
After 30 minutes of this I must say I prefer shooting stars lol
@dorikaspar241511 ай бұрын
at what level mining would you recommend doing this? I‘m trying this at 91 and getting nowhere near 110k/hr
@Saeder11 ай бұрын
Any level works. I’m using varrock body which gives 10% extra ore, max cape which gives 10% extra ore, and charged celestial ring which gives 10% extra ore.
@burto079311 ай бұрын
Beast method! Wonder how the rates differ at lower mining levels.
@Perfect_curse11 ай бұрын
RS3 has a lunar spell called telekinetic grind that instantly crushes a whole inventory of anything that can be broken down with a pestle and mortar. Maybe osrs could get this for the few herblore secondaries and also granite? Even if it just broke the granite down into a stackable useless dust it would feel a lot better than constantly dropping so much.
@Vict0rRezn0v11 ай бұрын
great idea
@Yltimate_11 ай бұрын
We have a sandstone grinder
@BiggsChungus9 ай бұрын
Awesome video bro, im just wondering if i missed it or if you ever said where you are doing this at?? lmao im not familiar with the area youre in!
@Saeder9 ай бұрын
It's west of Tombs of Amascut, near the pharaoh's sceptre tele
@Vict0rRezn0v11 ай бұрын
Doing zmi vibing to this music :D Do you have playlists anywhere? How do you get your xp drops that slow?
@Spillingx11 ай бұрын
Customisable xp drops
@MrLinuxFreak11 ай бұрын
I might lagging or its fixed.. i cant able to do that more than 3-4 time in row.. 88 mining
@Saeder11 ай бұрын
Make sure you’re using an adamant pickaxe, and be aware that failed rolls do happen. Just try to stay in cycle
could something like this be applied to sandstone too? for banking sand?
@Nuvizzle11 ай бұрын
You'd need to find a spot for it. Since you need to start mining before moving, you'd need to always have an adjacent mining node (either sandstone or granite) within 2 tiles of a sandstone node, in an area where there are 3 sandstone nodes you can repeatedly mine in cycle like this. It's possible there is one but I haven't personally looked to see where it could be done since this is a relatively new/novel idea.
@TheUndulyNoted3 ай бұрын
Explain why this video is 48 minutes long. Ridiculous