White Pigeons are Complicated

[@NandeeshChilgod]

Well... that painter's analogy is simply superb

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

I'm glad it made sense!

[@NandeeshChilgod]

@@AdamArcherPigeons yes,it couldn't be simpler than that

[@abcloft302]

Love it

[@alial-madhoush9212]

How can I produce a white bird with a black beak..Do I take it from the recessive white or from the dominant white

[@NormKerr]

I got a 100 % in a genetics test in college 38 years ago and have not used that info for about 28 years but I followed you. found it a great video and bet youdo well in the races cheers thanks for posting

[@sunshinecoasttrailcam]

Thanks again Adam. Im slowly begining to learn that I HAVE NO HOPE WITHOUT YOU in terms of understanding how to get my colors!

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

😅 I'm happy to help

[@sunshinecoasttrailcam]

@@AdamArcherPigeons pretty happy my blacks and barless are working...because i dont see a path to white or almond here. Except after four steps, four generations. I could see that perhaps. Just curious if you check or know Wynan Wolmaran? Did I get the name right?

[@sunshinecoasttrailcam]

@@AdamArcherPigeons it would be better if i paid you.. Im so slow at this patreon thing. I apologize. I will be hauntung you for info if i do that thou...

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

I don't know who that is, sorry.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

I don't mind answering questions in the comments here. I only made the Patreon because every day I have people I don't know trying to contact me directly and privately, and that gets to be too much, so the Patreon is an option for these people.

[@leonardhoehne6226]

It makes perfect sense . I was wondering about the white Gene ! Thanks for this video it helps me out with learning more about the Genenetcs .

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ScpDrRisha]

In Spike Island I once saw a white pigeon in the middle of wood pigeons! I thought it was a dove until I found out it is a white version of the pigeon!

[@Mark-ew5jm]

My goodness……..if only I had half of your knowledge when I kept pigeons in my youth. Very informative Adam.

[@nilnileer]

They are so cute and fluffy 😍

[@robertelliottlang7031]

An opaque object that reflects all wavelengths appears white; one that absorbs all wavelengths appears black. Black and white are not generally considered true colors; black is said to result from the absence of color, and white from the presence of all colors mixed together.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

White feathers are caused by the absence of pigment

[@Bennyboy31]

That’s a good lesson for the night. Cheers Adam. I own 3 pure white youngsters myself.

[@Tofuyamaaa]

I love white pigeons, I'm buying a pair tomorrow!

[@Ghazalfordesertflower]

So cute and lovely pigeons.

[@amyesworldcatherinesminime7945]

Great. That explanation is really clear. It's consolidated all the little snippets I've picked up about "white" in various species over the years. More genetics videos please! lol man savaged by protective pigeon ;-)

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

I'm glad :)

[@miroslavpenchev5603]

Amazing video! The red baby is really beautiful! Don't worry it is probably a cockbird, because it is a bit too light for pure ashred. Good luck and a lot of success!

[@eoghanpic]

Oh I thought i was seeing a albino pigeon.Great vid👍

[@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae]

On Halloween or April 1st I’ll temporarily dye them to look like passenger pigeons

[@englishbull1949]

I am new to keeping pigeons but loving it. I own 1 tiger grizzle and to gray grizzles does that mean if they breed I will always get GRIZZLES ? Thanks and keep up the good work.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Not necessarily, if both parents are heterozygous for their grizzle gene you'll end up with 25% each of: tiger grizzle, classic grizzle, both at the same time, and neither.

[@englishbull1949]

@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks for reply Adam. Interesting mate.

[@timmcgrath3995]

We have a white pigeon living on top of the frame of an outdoor blind on the western side of our house in Eastern suburban Melbourne. Has been there for over a year.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

They get attached to a spot and don't like to leave 🙂

[@chadgriffin1244]

I have been breeding roller pigeon grizzles to white. How does the eye change from orange to yellow in some generations.

[@christopherquinn1018]

How much value do leg bands add to the bird?

[@josephtonna304]

Thanks video was really helpful I was reading an old pigeon gazette that you can get white almonds how would you get that

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Without any of the reddening or darkening genes, almonds come out of the nest near white and darken as they get older.

[@94TheGr3mlin]

I know this is late and won’t matter for this video/eggs and you probably know this yourself but you can hear the chick chipping away at the egg from the inside if you hold it to your ear and know it’s due to chip it’s how I used to determine the hatching or live chicks in eggs for my birds after lay date and marking the eggs 1st nd 2nd obviously protective parents make that abit harder 😅

[@abdulmutalib144]

I LOVE WHITE AND ALSO MAGSSI PIGEONS,,, LOVELY SIR

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Thanks Abdul

[@inderinder420]

Can anyone help me please? I am buying 100 pairs same pigeons from my farmer friend. I like to know what kind of breed is this. He doesn't know either. I own small farm house. With stables and barn. I have so much space. And what is the selling price? Please help me.

[@descurtis1740]

Interesting article on the white pigeons, puts it in awhole new criteria.

[@ramisa9001]

Hello my friend, ich have a question! I have a 100 % clean white male pigeon and a smoky female pigeon. Which color could the babies have?

[@donavan370z9]

Love the video! Those Tigers are beautiful!

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Thank you very much!

[@donavan370z9]

@@AdamArcherPigeons Hey Adam! Can you do a video on what happens when you get two hens or two cocks from a breeding. I've haven't seen a video about this yet. Thank you!

[@donavan370z9]

I got two hens from a pairing and one of hens is strong and large like cock! I raise Birmingham Rollers and a few Homers. This pair came from my Rollers.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

It is just random. On average 50% of the time they'll be a nest pair, 25% 2 hens, 25% 2 cocks.

[@lathamlofts5092]

Some great information I have 2 white pigeons in my loft I think there great

[@lawrenceearle4134]

Hi I am really enjoying your videos. This question might be covered some where else, but what do your individual breeding pens look like? what size are they? how long do you leave the birds paired as individuals?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

They're 500x600x500, but they're too small and I would recommend bigger.

[@lawrenceearle4134]

@@AdamArcherPigeons How large would you make them if you were building new ones?

[@no-soul6897]

So one of my white homers hatched a hen with a blue bar on her tail You cant call her anymore a white I think its a homozygous grizzle Am i right? Or what color is her?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Pied probably.

[@no-soul6897]

@@AdamArcherPigeons how? One of my white homer pair produced a white hen with a blue tail bar and its a pied?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Pied simply means "white in some places where there would normally be colour".

[@johnwinson7176]

Hi Adam it's john I really liked your online shop I brought somethings for myself

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Thanks John, I appreciate the support 👍

[@ninc3d3m0n4]

ARCHIMEDES?

[@giovannetaffuri7448]

Please, solve a doubt for me, in the event that the pigeon is white, or carrier of recessive white, is there a possibility of using one of these in a project with the purpose of diluting colors? Although you have explained the science of "lack of pigmentation", I would like to know if there is any chance of color dilution occurring when crossing with pigeons of other colors... for example, leaving a lighter recessive red, half orange ... Thanks.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

I don't quite understand what you mean, but yes, white pigeons can carry the "dilute" gene.

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

Are the consistent reds easy to find?

[@nicokern7615]

I own a few young recessive white racing pigeons that I want to use to foster a few of my baby Strassers next year. Although I really love my Strassers (recessive yellow, ash red bars and ash red checkers), these white ones look sooooooo great

[@bhaizelloft9560]

same like pure white pigeons😍😍😍

[@narendraramlall2549]

How do you keep the white pigeons so clean ?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

My pigeons live in a clean pigeon loft...

[@narendraramlall2549]

Thanks for your response

[@phoizrahman3086]

Wow.. better explanation about white 🧬 so far. Thanks ♂️

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Glad it was helpful!

[@alfredreyes6490]

Hello. If white is the absence of (pigment) color, What is black?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Melanin pigment expressed throughout all the feathers. Usually as a result of the gene called "spread".

[@varghese6409]

If i pair, mukhi pigeon : black ( T checker ) and red bar, what will be the colour of its chicks

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Likely T-Checks, red sons and blue daughters if the order you posted is the sexes of the parents.

[@varghese6409]

Is there any chancy of blue checker

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Yes, if the T Patten bird carries check.

[@varghese6409]

How could i develope blue barless

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

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[@lowlandloft1264]

Is it possible to produce white birds with colored eyes using blue grizzels?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

You could get pretty close, but to get "pure" white it's best to use red.

[@lowlandloft1264]

@@AdamArcherPigeons does it matter what red I use? Can it be recessive or does it have to be Ash Red?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

@@lowlandloft1264 Ash Red

[@princemichmich5350]

Thanks for the update Adam

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

No worries

[@nilocyoutubification]

Great to hear you talk about white pigeons. My experience is that I had a pair of blue bars and as they get older, they eventually produce a white...it turned out to be a cock. The pair I had were around 6 years when the youngster had white flights. The older the pair, the more splash I was getting until I got a pure white cock. On a lighter note, don't give up on the tiger grizzles....they're beauties.

[@centrumwschod1049]

Great! Greetings from Poland

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Hello! I have a lot of viewers from Poland :)

[@svenhoek.6095]

Yeah , hard to keep clean lol 😆

[@silvsiri3478]

Great video

[@tapangiri3048]

Love this

[@georgegatti1]

Question how do I get more whites. If I breed a white with a long distance racing pigeon then breed the babies with whites would you get more whites.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

It depends on the white genes you have, but yes that is your best bet to start with.

[@georgegatti1]

@@AdamArcherPigeons I have about 100 white racers and their parents have been out 100 miles. As a foundation I bread the 100 mile whites together but I was looking to add some stronger distance birds into the Mix. And try to get stronger white birds. This has bred a 20 year breeding process for me. I will try the cross and see what the babies produce.

[@mandabalaraju4458]

Adam Archer.. Really love your explanation and sharing of knowledge. Can you suggest any book that deals with pigeon genetics. Thank you for everything 😍

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Pigeon Genetics by Axel Sell

[@cylvanosmallpigeonloft7612]

Hi Adam. Could you please explain how one pigeon gets two different eye colors.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Sure, I'll touch on it in an eye video one day. The answer is usually just that the bird is pied on only one side of the face.

[@keithmecca13]

Hey Adam. I had a friend he’s gone now. But he had a red checker cock and a red hen and all there baby’s were white. All white. After looking at your channel I understand why.

[@zulfiqarsanjrani167]

Hey Adam 👋 gonna tell u that I've many pigeons at my home. They are living in for ages. They are mostly grey color, brown color and some of them are white.

[@anushaalan6024]

Which pattern, colour base pigeon should pair with blue base t chech pigeon to get almonds

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

You need the gene called stipper to get almond

[@dominickguardino9064]

Great job explaining that. I love your videos because iam very interested in pigeon genetics.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Thanks, I'm glad they're helpful!

[@juliosdiy3206]

White is not a color so i would say that my pure white pigeon is pure 100% dilute. So i have one pair of silver pigeons and here I bred a dilute silver bar cock looks white with red bars with a silver hen. The result is a pure white cock and a silver hen. Can u explain how this happens? The second batch is another pure silver and a splash or pied silver.

[@abcloft302]

Only here for the the white doves 🕊

[@jacobstromburg5803]

Interesting how the tiger grizzle just got off the eggs and let you have them.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Worlds worst parents 😅

[@jaderahul7]

Well, I believe The GENETICS Is a big mystery.. If the colour white is recessive they why is it get expressed to its progeny🤔 I had white female roller paired to ash red T check.. both the babies were full white to my surprise.. Can you explain on this?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Either your bird had a dominant white gene, or the ash red carried recessive white. Genetics isn't a mystery, it's science and can be tested 👍

[@jaderahul7]

Adam Archer Pigeons Thanks for the clarity👍🏻

[@katlegomahlangu8528]

I own two red pigeons

[@sanc47]

Well explained

[@lathamlofts5092]

Never new this tha is for tips

[@ashmyr_bonbon4521]

So they still fast?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Yes, all my coloured projects are kept to the same standard as my regular-coloured racing pigeons.

[@ashmyr_bonbon4521]

@@AdamArcherPigeons so the color of the pigeon doesn't have to do anything about it's speed?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Correct

[@kamrulhasansakib9660]

please make a vedio of albino eyed pigeon

[@jamalsher9030]

I m from Pakistan plz we have egg hatching problem pigeon

[@Rupak688]

Thank you for this video 👌

[@lovehobin3585]

I'm a subscriber watching in Korea. I would appreciate it if you could make it possible to translate into Korean soon. I'm enjoying the video.

[@juliosdiy3206]

I have a pair of silver bars, the hen comes from two silver bars but the cock is from an ash red pie forgot what the hen is but anyways back to the pair the cock is a dilute silver but he looks cream white with red ash like bars. They have been together and produces all silver bars and mealy. This year they produce a pure white with dark red eyes i was just stuned. According to ur theory it lost its color genes so i think its just an accident. Now if i mate this white which is probably a hen to its father do u suppose it can produce whites right away because i think the father carries more of the white gene from his father. If u support the theory that it will produce whites then i will try to mate them this spring although i dont think it will produce any dilutes i think its just hard to amagine it.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

If the gene is recessive white, then you can mate the white young back to the opposite sex parent and in theory 50% of the young should be white.

[@faisal1979m]

Mix white colored peigon with spread recessive color “ dun “ you will get amazing colors and patterns of actually white patterns I have amazing grizzle Fantail babies from a white male fantail and female dark spread grey mom I paired a grizzled make baby with his white sister and I have got amazing offspring Grizzled white and Brown and grizzled white and grey baby

[@PigeonViews]

Nice dear

[@MerpatiSemataKandang]

Hadir nyimak sobat. Oleh olehnya lengkap. Support ya.

[@mehdib4560]

Plz can u post ur video more often

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

After I move house and get my new loft, yes

[@PlayAllGamesYT]

Hi, if you have any white breeders available? let me know, please. I am looking for a pair with colored eyes. and are they available? I'm from Pakistan. Thank You

[@Pet_mania007]

Great

[@ChuPaengPenNotes]

check the eggs 5 days after they sit on it to see if fertile eggs and repeat it in 10 days

[@WhitePigeon69420]

Am white pigeon

[@YahawahshiIsTrueGOD]

KAL halaliah YAHAWAH BASHAM YAHAWAHASHI BASHAM RAKAKADASH HOLY SPIRIT ❤️👑 Master

[@olegcherkasky2755]

So, basically white pigeons are albino.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Actually no! There are also real albino pigeons, I just forgot to mention them in the video. Albino pigeons will have pink eyes instead of the dark eyes of a recessive white.

[@whitepearlloftofflorida9165]

👍👍

[@robertcourtney7649]

🤔🕊

[@deebakdeebak4008]

Greedom thalvar color white pegion sall

[@turankaradag2896]

White color does not complete any color in pigeons. No color will ever be white if you try for a thousand years. It is absolutely necessary to enter the white pigeon gene. In that case, I think your theory is wrong. If your theory were correct, the white part in shielded pigeons would not always meet in the same place and would not leave the wing tops regularly colored. So the painter either painted them all or had to paint them randomly. Love and respect from Turkey. Thank you. I don't know English, but I can explain this much with google translate.

[@sergey3928]

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[@thembadavid2922]

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[@sandypineda7632]

1st

[@nisse18]

I mean, technically it's black that's not a colour. White has not made the genes "invisible", they don't have another colour underneath... what are you talking about?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

The gene called "recessive white" completely stops pigment production, preventing any other colour genes from showing their expression.

[@nisse18]

@@AdamArcherPigeons Yea, but that doesn't mean there's another colour "underneath", all animals have some inactive genes.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

The genes are not "inactive". Their expression is just hidden by the epistasis of recessive white. They will be passed onto the next generation and expressed without inhibition if the other parent isn't a carrier of recessive white. Please don't come onto my channel and start spreading misinformation when you don't know what you're talking about.

[@nisse18]

@@AdamArcherPigeons What are you talking about? 😆 You're ridiculous There is no other colour underneath!! Don't talk about things you clearly know nothing about lol

[@cj7gaming665]

can you give me pls one only pegeon pls pls pls pls pls pls !