Traditional Martial Arts - PART 2 - Kung Fu Report

[@fabchi4597]

I practiced karate for 9 years and I want to say thank you for honouring the art with your expertise and explanations 🙏🏼

[@blockmasterscott]

What you said about traditional martial arts empty hand being a continuation of holding weapons is so true with us in Choy Li Fut. Almost all of our empty hands stuff could easily hold a weapon and do the same thing.

[@cyborgchicken3502]

Same could be said for the modern way of kicking in almost every martial art around the world, if you look at many traditional martial arts styles that do come from the ancient world be it Western Greco Roman wrestling it Greek Boxing aka Pankration or African Dambe or Senegalese wrestling and even Eastern forms of Kung Fu, Okinawan karate, aiki jujutsu, Muay Boran, Taek Kyon or Tang Soo Do... The original old forms had very few kicks or at least didn't have the kicks we have now in the modern world, and the vast majority of them were actually forms of grappling or fighting in a clinch with close range strikes aimed at ending a fight very quickly with or without weapons....apparently the various kicks we now find in many martial arts styles actually coming from weapon work and particularly Rapier or Longsword techniques.... It's said that when the Japanese were trying to turn Okinawan karate into the national sport of Japan in the early 20th century, they took inspiration from French kickboxing, also known as Savate, and Savate was developed as a way to fight without the use of daggers and swords since the became outlawed in Victorian Europe and the kicks themselves were based on sword movements, so the various kicks we have today came from sword techniques

[@blockmasterscott]

@@cyborgchicken3502 That’s fascinating! Thanks for posting this, I really enjoyed reading it. 👍

[@houseofkungfu2543]

Man I love martial arts

[@reign4795]

Your stories are quite enjoyable.

[@alLEDP]

Yeah that controlling vs killing thing is a general term and the modern interpretation of it is striking VS grappling

[@roloduarte3100]

Great interview series, well said Sifu.

[@SunMagnetic]

Thank you!

[@IzzoWingChun]

Great content

[@charlesdacosta2446]

The middle way is the new traditional stuff. That means the older stuff is the ancient stuff, and the modern stuff is becoming a mixture and more business oriented.

[@magnusjansheden391]

As good as it can be🐼👍. Please next episode! Please!!!!

[@sramdeojohn4428]

Excellent Commentary 🥋🙌👏✌️ love this guy!!!!I told my sensi what this guy is saying and he got upset. Karate is the way of the Chinese Hand. All Karate is roots of the shaolin temple fighting traditions. 🥋🙌👏Oss! I started shotokan karate when I was 13 years and I trace back the katas to the system of the training of the shaolin temple but had to keep my notes to myself or I would be considered insubordination. But I know better I played along got my grades and dan and train more outside the dojo with other people. Even naihanchi is misrepresented by most Japanese karate schools today. 🥋❤️🙌👏💙🌎🌍🌏.

[@michaelharris6153]

Thank you for another great episode. I can’t wait to hear more about it. Do you have any book recommendations about the history of various traditional martial arts. I’m fascinated by the history but I don’t know where to start.

[@justinsnow3979]

Find a good school, and train there long and hard. Don’t have too many irons in your fire. Once you have a good foundation, then you can explore more arts out there.

[@gatusberserk6972]

Pre world world 2 and before it end up in the school system of okinwna. it was one kata for 3 years. Niahanchi. Often one would only know one or two kata. It was considered that one kata contained the entirety of the fighting art principles etc.

[@cyborgchicken3502]

And if I'm not mistaken original Okinawan karate actually had more grappling techniques and close range clinch fighting techniques than what it does now, and many of the kicks we now see in modern karate were actually taken from French kickboxing called Savate which in itself was an attempt to create a fighting style without the use of swords

[@TheAnsonysc]

You mean Okinawa(沖縄)? The Okinawa Karate was developed from Tang Shou（唐手）which was brought in to Okinawa from Fujian Province, China. Learning of the Chinese Kung Fu usually take long time. They always take about three years of time as the graduate period.

[@spinningdragontao]

An interesting couple of videos on a very deep and interesting topic. One issue with history is the lack of credible sources and verifiable "facts". I'm curious about your cut off point for 'Traditional Martial Arts' being prior to the Qing Dynasty (1644). This would rule out many martial arts including Wing Chun, Choi Li Fut and more than likely Tai Chi Chuan and Xing YI (certainly as it is today) and Yiquan. These are arts you either do and or respect so it's an interesting cut off point. Also martial artists like Yang Lu Chan, Ku Yue Chang, Tam Sam, etc are recent exponents, men who are renowned for their abilities and fighting skill. Traditional Martial Arts especially Chinese Traditional Martial Arts do come in for a lot of criticism currently,. Not all of the criticism is justified and not all of it is misplaced; certainly the evolution of Wushu has been a severe blow. I agree with you about the negative involvement of various governments throughout history. In your first video you mention about being a beginner for the first 10 years - This is presumably an exaggeration because no martial art would survive if the arts took so long to learn. Xing Yi for example is a battlefield art and soldiers (like in the modern day scenario) needed to be taught in relatively short time spans in order to be useful on the battlefield asap. Yes the art is deeper than simple soldiery but that would be taught and improved over time, they still needed to be able to do the basics to a high standard quickly enough to be alive so that they can learn the deeper aspects and develop as a soldier. All "Traditional" martial arts should have a serious connection with weapons and not just in abstract forms. As you say they were originally developed from war and no one goes to war unarmed.Serious Traditional Martial Arts that have weapons at the heart of their practise cannot be 'Too Dangerous to train' because that would mean they couldn't be passed on. I don't disagree with most of your comments on the cultural effects on martial arts. I also agree very much with your comments on "those arts in the middle" Sport martial arts. making any martial art a sport often degrades it with the possible exception of Muay Thai. As an interesting side point: Muay Thai and Tong Bei are two of the oldest and most traditional martial arts still going. There is more that could be said but on the whole an interesting video.

[@MustAfaalik]

FYI Muay Thai is merely 400 yo. ie 16th century.

[@cyborgchicken3502]

@@MustAfaalik 400 years is still a pretty long time, the oldest Martial arts would most likely be Kalariprayattu which is from India, most Asian martial arts have their roots in the ancient Indian martial arts, even the Shaolin monks believe it was a Buddhist monk from India Ned Bodidharma or Damou in Chinese that came to the temple and taught the monks martial arts... But we could go older, ancient Greek martial arts like Pankration or the various club, spear and Sword or Khopesh arts that came from Egypt, Nguni stick fighting from Southern Africa which were meant to simulate spear and hide shield combat, Dambe which is an ancient form of boxing from Nigeria and wrestling from Senegal... Lots of these predate Asian martial arts, Mongolian wrestling probably predates Muay Thai as well, since there are records of it during the time of the Mongolian conquests in 1200s AD

[@MustAfaalik]

@@cyborgchicken3502 Your assumptions does not warrant a sensible reply.

[@ianweir2115]

LOL! so true. I was given a black sash my first day. I couldnt even shift my weight yet or I had 1st 10 on Sil lim Tao. I asked my Sifu why? and he said "Do not wash that sash, leave it out in the sun to dry. When that say starts looking grey and old, thats when It will be viewed with respect." Black belt is a Si Dai. lol

[@heavenhell5909]

Unless u need to learn in a class like most do n I did but I don't have a class no more so I jus practice what I learned which can basically be done anywhere wearing wat I like.

[@crypticnomad]

I was having a discussion with this fairly obnoxious guy in jiu-jitsu class the other day where I made similar points that you are making now regarding classical martial arts vs modern. He was arrogantly bashing most traditional martials and specifically talked a lot of trash about wing chun. First I addressed the fact that "martial art" in modern use is something different from the combination of the words ``martial" and "art". Most modern martial arts, like taekwondo for example, have absolutely nothing to do with war. The second issue that I addressed is that there were combat systems as well as other systems that were a creative "art" directly related to war and that mostly what we see today being labeled as a "traditional martial art" was a combat system directly related to war. I didn't think about the fact that these must have been mostly weapon based combat systems and how the empty hand specialization must have come later. He made some good points regarding the videos online of wing chun guys getting absolutely handled in seconds by people like Xiaodong who use a modern MMA based style. My rebuttal to that was that the issue is not that wing chun techniques are less useful than say Muay Thai(I've trained both btw) but rather that the typical Muay Thai training is generally much more intense, includes lots of bag/pad work, drilling and daily sparring. If someone were to teach a person wing chun but use the training style of say muay thai I bet we would see similar type results as a typical person who trained in that way in Muay Thai. Muay Thai, and jiu-jitsu, happen to be more popular than many of the traditional arts and therefore have a larger pool of talent to train with. In addition to that, the hyper traditionalism is a disadvantage to a martial art in general: "A tree without roots can not stand but a tree without branches can not grow"

[@ajshiro3957]

thanks for pointing out that TKD is a modern martial art. People always talk like TKD is traditional because of the belts and everything. But minus the other stuff that they might train in TKD, it's pretty modern. The style of TKD I study is really modern; adapting to today and looking like kick boxing with form practice and weapon practice. Most people seem to say traditional martial arts to say it's ineffective and they say modern martial arts is all real and effective. which isn't true

[@cyborgchicken3502]

@@ajshiro3957 TKD, Karate, Judo, Aikido, BJJ, Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Vale Tudo, Sambo, Sanda are all modern martial arts, all of them can be traced back to the 20th century with some like karate probably coming up around the mid to late 1800s, Muay Thai is a reformed, modern or updated version of Muay Boran which was actually just formulated in the mid 20th century when they decided to add Western boxing to it, if you look at old black and white footage of Muay Boran, it was waaay different than what Muay Thai is today and also was majority weapons based. I find it funny that jujitsu guys talk crap about "traditional martial arts" when jujitsu itself is one and is actually a very very old martial art that has its roots in grappling styles from the Sengoku era of Fuedal Japan.

[@ajshiro3957]

@@cyborgchicken3502 ironic. They would try to say Jujitsu is modern and ignore the history, which sounds disrespectful and arrogant

[@cyborgchicken3502]

@@ajshiro3957 well BJJ is pretty modern, it was basically invented by Brazilians in the early 20th century, I think the confusion comes from people thinking that BJJ and Japanese Jujitsu are the same thing when they really aren't... There are some differences.... But to be fair, like explained in the video a lot of "traditional martial arts" have become very ineffective, take Shotokan karate for example or Taekwondo , if you watch videos from the 70s and 80s, the sparring matches were pretty hardcore, you can even find Kung Fu tournaments with full contact sparring from that period too and even earlier in Taiwan and Hong Kong .... But sadly thanks to the Olympics and other nonsensical sporting authorities or even government regulations, a lot of these things were watered down completely, that's why you had guys like Mas Oyama who went on to develop Kyokushin karate to attempt to take it back to its Okinawan roots, because he saw what guys like Funakoshi were doing with shotokan, completely watering in down to make it "safer" In the modern era the most effective form of self defense is really just to get a gun

[@crypticnomad]

@@cyborgchicken3502 Muay Thai is at least the same age as wing chun and maybe older. The style of muay thai that I study is called "muay chaiya" and it was developed by a military leader turned monk who taught village people in southern Thailand(Chaiya is the city) self defense. If muay chaiya is a self defense specific style of muay thai and it is 200+ years old then Muay Thai must also be at least 200 years old. It just wasn't popular in the west until the 20th century. Wing chun is 250-300 years old and although I haven't fact checked this I'd be willing to bet that Muay Thai is at least 250 since 200 years ago a specific style of it was branched off *edit* I fact checked myself and Muay Thai has been around in at least the basic form since the 13th century. That is roughly 800 years of continuous use and I'm not talking about some myth either. It is historical fact that is well established unlike the mythic origins of wing chun(how it was created by a shaolin monk who came from a temple that never existed)

[@heavenhell5909]

Me personaly beleive and practice the mind body and health benefits from the learning and practice... as it's not a sport or competition but it is good for the mind if u learn n practice regular as no one can learn what someone learns in there own personal practice...that's what I've learn in my practice in traditional Chinese martial arts 7 star praying mantis ....u can wear what u like martial arts was about b4 cloths shops

[@j0ser1]

Great stuff! I'm not knowledgeable in kung fu. What kung fu is this?

[@heavenhell5909]

I must also say I by no means is I a great martial artist n don't claim 2 be...this man on this chanel in my opinion is a great martial artist a long with jiang yu sHan and the legendary show man bruce lee.

[@edkushnerick2090]

Hsing I is all about spear, but you can pick up anything and use it. Its not friendly, its about disposing of the opponent as fast as possible and moving on, no time for punch/kick/block, no way are you going to be rolling around trying to get submission holds on the ground, you'd be dead.

[@bhimakarma]

What about Indian Martial Arts. Indian culture is among the eldest - perhaps the eldest still living with unbroken language and traditions (barely). What is Adam's perspective, if any on the Indian arts like kshatr Vidya and Kalari payattu?

[@danyolooy]

Such phenomenal insight from Sifu Adam! Kali/silat is one of the arts I'm training in at my gym and it definitely makes sense from Adam's description of weapons translating into empty hands, but weapons being the primary mode. Chris and Sifu, this recent video from the Budo Brothers reminded of your content from this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIWXeqx8ZZWtnpY. Kudos and thanks for always enlightening us!

[@deathlasha]

This is exactly how my Shifu changed me he did not like Power Rangers Batman comic book punching figures he did not like how do I say TV artist of his time he thought it was too flashy and remove the point of the whole idea of Marshall Arts

[@davidreynolds2126]

I see Chris is getting more zenkai boost. (Dragon Ball Z reference)

[@PazCristo]

Even master Adam knows 'cyctema'......

[@heavenhell5909]

Is real traditional Chinese martial art in the depths really only for chinese..

[@sdsogiuemaniax]

The magic words are gonna summon Jesse Enkamp

[@justgjeri]

Outstanding💯💯💯🙏🙏🙏🤩🤩🤩💖💖💖💪💪💪💪💪😇😇😇😇😇👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@edwardhenne3204]

The last thing I'll say here is that in my opinion in a mono e mono contest if you can't knock out a grappler quickly, then the grappler will always win against a striker.

[@dylan.-6527]

Lots FMA influence.

[@AjaychinuShah]

You just see STYLES, no FORMS, and a inherent CAPABILITY, like a hand gun versus a BFG (BIG FUCKING GUN). So you see Karate and it's record 0-800-1. And I DID NOT RIG IT OR MAKE IT UP ever. Just inherent to our Science and Reality.

[@heavenhell5909]

Guns

[@AjaychinuShah]

Newton's and Leibniz Calculating Engine was mocked and laughed. Same landing on Moon. Thus showing inadequate comprehension and neglect in the Field, same with Epistemology Calculation Engine or Device. Sophisticated Technology, same with Kung Fu even Hap Ki Do. This is awesome but basically balls out nuts off and just knock him off every where is not Martial Arts like you thought or hidden for long time. I'm sure there are some extremely experience person whom disagree point for point with you.