SOULS, WARP, DEATH, DAEMONS & MUSHROOMS | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@wombatman5164]

this suck-based warp theory implies Magnus not only has a massive hole but could also suck an ostrich egg through a garden hose, which makes me think Slaanesh got the wrong Primarch.

[@desertranger7575]

@The shy one don’t worry my dude your English is perfect

[@JankShark]

Thats what Tzeentch wants you to think

[@srcocomad]

bruh

[@jakubgrzybek6181]

@The shy one don't get tricked with duality of chaos gods, they use things like honor, hope, mercy, love to lure you in, Khorne doesn't care which primarch he gets, only if bloods is spilled and skulls are crushed.

[@warhawk9566]

fuck me i was drinking when i read this

[@IronMan9771]

The description of a soul burning bright in the warp becomes kind of terrifying when taken with the context that Tyranids are a shadow in the warp. They're not Necrons, they have a presence in the warp, but what they have.... it isn't a soul

[@kumaking5519]

I think of it like this. “If you peer into this darkness, that emptiness in the void, it will stare back you. Trillions soullous eyes that see you as nothing more than food…but the greatest thing that darkness, there lays a shadow that encompasses it, a being so great it hold power over those eyes. They move as one, cause they are one”

[@Hallowoct313]

shit your right that is actually pretty terrifying. perhaps the soul is the hive mind and the shadow is because there a mimicry of life that doesn’t feel think or desire making them the negative of a soul influenced by the massive psychic presence. they just fundamentally so alien that even the warp doesn’t understand what they are

[@matthewmatthew981]

In other words, if the Warp is a sea and demons are sharks, Tyranids are salt-water crocodiles.

[@ironduke5058]

@@matthewmatthew981 Tyrannids is the Megaladon shark who no one thought existed and that you never seen coming as it lurks in the dark deep and devours you from below before you can even scream for help.

[@Darqshadow]

@@ironduke5058 and there are hints that in that ocean of terror there are things older and more terrible that even Tzeentch won't go against them

[@dinodude6992]

Bricky: *talking trash about shy* Shy: *turns Bricky into a goblin* *later* Bricky: *starts to insult shy* Shy: wanna see me turn Bricky into a shortstack goblin again

[@ColdNorth0628]

Makes em THICC-ER

[@nullakjg767]

Shy doesnt exist. Just a made up myth.

[@Giganfan2k1]

What episode was that?

[@thegloriouswizard5270]

Yes.

[@zanethanos6021]

Bricky: *insults shy* Shy: *draws peen on Bricky’s forehead* Laughed out loud when I saw that

[@burnin8able]

I think it's really funny that while full on exposure to the warp can turn humans into gibbering chaos spawn, cultists riddled with mutations, and daemon chow, the worst thing that happens to the tau is that they turn just about as xenophobic as the average imperial citizen lmao

[@tergartcunninghan2013]

Technically speaking, their outlook on the warp might not be entirely wrong. Hell, it just might be what the imperium needs. Do you think any Marines would start turning if they were told about the “XENOS” filth known as Chaos?

[@burnin8able]

@@tergartcunninghan2013 oh yeah, brilliant. the problem with the imperium clearly isn't the fact that it's a hyperbolic parody of fascist theocracy, its that the brainwashing propaganda doesn't lie to its citizens in the "correct" way.

[@burnin8able]

@Stayn Initial d you say that like 40K isn't explicitly about named characters fighting well above their weight class. Gaunt in Gaunt's Ghosts takes out an iron warrior space marine with just his chainsword in the first couple chapters of the first book, and counter-ambushes an entire squad of world eaters like 2 books later. it's always been that way, always will, and that's fine.

[@lunaharding1408]

@@tergartcunninghan2013 doesn't go well, it's already happened and it helped cause the Horus heresy. They were initially told daemons were just more xenos

[@burnin8able]

@Stayn Initial d oh so we can hand-wave plot armor for one group that you like but not another because ???

[@taylortruitt3172]

Luetin: you are not suppose to be able to understand the warp because it is not meant for human understanding. Bricky: SUCC

[@ok_kobold]

I feel like ork souls go back into gork and mork when they die, where they’re chewed up into the great green, then spat back out into a new life, mixed with bits of other ork souls. Like, all orks share the same souls, they’re only distinct because of circumstance. Orks are very Buddhist but with hyper violence. Each is a temporary part of the greater universal gork & mork. In AoS, the two gods fuse and unfuse when they need to, and the warp connects both settings. Makari only remembered past lives once Ghaz “awakened” them with his connection to the great green. They were not the same grot, but platonic Makari exists in the warp, and he sorta Nickelodeon avatar states back to life. Anyway, that’s me being sentimental for my favs.

[@MalarkySparky]

Freebuddhas confirmed

[@matthewmatthew981]

Yeah, that sounds reasonable enough.

[@arnantphongsatha7906]

Moksha through dakka

[@kinagrill]

Like they are each a cell in a massive body? same 'soul' at the core? Would fit that entire 'they are fungus' meme.

[@salizar2074]

44:00 fun theory I’ve seen floating around is that Gork (or possibly Mork?) is the very first Ork and Mork (or maybe Gork?) is the last Krork, and they’re eternally scrappin’. Also in AoS they’re a single two headed entity that splits itself in two sometimes if the other pantheons get uppity.

[@justinhoward3579]

I always liked the Emperors Children apothecary Fabius Bile. He is like this dr Frankenstein character that has seeded whole planets to have weird mutations in the hope of creating a new perfect strain of human and has gained minor warp diety status in the process. Funniest part is that he is such a staunch atheist his presence actually causes warp entities discomfort. He even had Slaanesh stare him in the eyes once causing his internal organs to stop functioning just for him to call it mindless warp nonsense to its face. He also stole wraithbone tech from the Eldar to make himself basically immortal. Total Chad

[@sirkelendor5429]

*stares god in the eyes* "Your not real and my organs dont work" *refuses to elaborate*

[@mutantmaster1]

Bricky: **makes a Little Guy joke** Shy, turning him into Goblin Shortstack: HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE TEACH YOU THIS, OLD MAN!!

[@alexmartinez5859]

Bricky: “I do love the little guys.”

[@Driftingsiax]

Love that the tau canonically looked at the warp and just said “fuck that.”

[@navilluscire2567]

And they are honestly all the better without it. (as would everyone..)

[@teamhren1000]

As far as actual death/killing goes, the middle ages were pretty mild. It would make more sense for korne to emerge during the great wars of the 20th century.

[@vlaandhael]

remember, khorne like melee more than guns

[@mattezuka1274]

You're saying the crusades, 100 year war, viking age, Islamic conquest of Africa, Hungarian invasion, smaller individual tribal wars, and peasant revolts were all mild?

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@mattezuka1274 I mean in the grand scheme of things, yes. Medieval times had lower total population and less efficient tools for killing.

[@Lightscribe225]

Ghengis Khan is implied to be one of Khorne's first and greatest Daemon princes so I dunno...

[@Nempo13]

@@Lightscribe225 Which makes zero sense. He funded art, regularly sat quietly and recited poetry, HATED mindless combat and instead came up with effective tactics to reduce losses to his own men, was a master archer (Khorne wants melees) Ghengis also wanted to kill few civilians if possible as they were needed to work the land he conquered. Scholars, artisans, merchants...he intentionally did not harm and took into his people. This way his people learned their culture and they learned of the Mongolian culture. It created a melting pot of culture and knowledge. This is also why his Empire survived after his death for 5 generations before it broke into 5 kingdoms.

[@Amatsaru29]

A nice moment regarding the warp in the book "Darkness in the Blood", Mehpiston meets his long deceased pyschic teacher in the warp. Said teacher persisted in the warp in his own small realm resembling baal. While not fully coherent since Mephiston's teacher was just a human psyker, he did manage to not be consumed by warp predators or the chaos gods.

[@crackedhammer4612]

So he basically made his own heaven

[@Lakefront_Khan]

@@crackedhammer4612 More like a very sturdy pillow fort.

[@ironduke5058]

@@Lakefront_Khan lmfao

[@trystongilbert1837]

Careful, this much meddling in the nature of the warp may summon Leutin

[@m3tr0id86]

I am surprised they haven't covered Tuska Deamon Killa yet. Especially that he's an Ork that loves beating demons skulls in with what may or may not be parts that are their own family members.

[@owengautreau1233]

I would love a tuska deamon killa episode

[@Wulgreath]

There's not all that much for Tuska though. I think the best thing to do would be a Greatest Hits or Most Wanted episode, where they pick out interesting personalities from each faction and go "This lad should get some more attention and here's why."

[@m3tr0id86]

@@LesserOfTwoWeevils But not in depth. Even with what is there, I can see a very entertaining conversation anyway.

[@m3tr0id86]

@@Wulgreath There we go. Seriously listening to an accent with what he'd say for stuff would be hilarious.

[@theangryjeff]

@@Wulgreath good idea like here are the cool ork characters that don’t have enough for a whole episode! Do it for a whole faction

[@Velventian]

The whole episode is a long winded way of bricky trying to distract people from the fact that he forgot to prepare for this weeks podcast. Bricky went hard on the glue this week it seems.

[@Doveknight-n8t]

He also had his Uncharted 4 video this week and it is a long one. He gets a pass in my book.

[@velphidrow]

@@Doveknight-n8t yeah likely pushing 3h pre editing

[@TiernanWilkinson]

@@velphidrow Yeah his Uncharted video undoubtedly took up a lot of time, not just recording either; I know he has someone to do editing, but I also know that's not the only thing that goes into production and for such a long video essay on one of his favorite games I'd expect that to take up a significant amount of time.

[@logangrimnar3800]

Hard on the glue? What does that mean?

[@UnusualDeathCause]

At this rate them being prepared is the exception. But then again, 40k whales dont need much to be satisfied, they will throw money at posters, t-shirts and and other crap regardless.

[@DraNayban]

There is a fun exchange between a dark eldar woman named Nefertari and Emperor's Children marine Telemachon Lyras about Slaanesh in the book Talon of Horus. Telemachon mocks Nefertari about the feminine nickname "she who thirst" because he (and possibly other EC marines) sees Slaanesh as masculine.

[@DraNayban]

@The shy one It really is. It's quite short but sweet. I really recommend the book in it's entirety.

[@mycure0498]

They arguing about who’s gender bent fanfic is the best

[@vegladex]

Slaanesh interrupts: "Kids, kids, this is such a silly argument. *Why not both?* "

[@lazyc0mmander277]

@@DraNayban "quite short but sweet" Perfection. Much better quote for Slaanesh than what you usually get too. It can even easily go down the suck strawGodamnit! I just had to ruined it didn't I...

[@jacobsomebody9266]

🤔

[@jonas639]

I think they misunderstood why we are all here and watch their episodes. It's not Bricky and Dk's content, but Shys editing that brings me here.

[@Skitarii_Ranger]

"SOULS, WARP, DEATH, DAEMONS & MUSHROOMS" sounds like the title of an obscenely long Ork x Daemonette fanfiction.

[@johnward8853]

I want to read this, if that makes me a heretic so he it.

[@12SickOne34]

Shroomboys don't have the tools for the job.

[@PolarisAl-baydalocke]

This is true

[@techpriest2854]

@@12SickOne34 fanfiction knows no limits on biology if smut can be made

[@russellbrandenburg4356]

The way I believe the chaos gods came about is that in reference to khorne he was born in the war in heaven but became like awoken or active during the middle ages

[@NecrosAcolyte]

That is in fact in keeping with the lore. Slaanesh is the only Chaos God younger than the third War in Heaven between the C'Tan and the Old Ones, which is the one the Eldar joined; there were two previous ones they weren't part of, and then a bunch of conflicts that exclusively involved the Eldar and their gods that are ALSO called Wars in Heaven.

[@russellbrandenburg4356]

@@NecrosAcolyte damn eldar making history confusing

[@NecrosAcolyte]

@@russellbrandenburg4356I, too, am angry about spehss elves

[@logangrimnar3800]

I like that Brickys' warp/psyker analogy was basically the water analogy from electrical engineering. The pressure of the water coming from a source being voltage, and the amount of water coming from that source being the amperage.

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

the tau interaction with the warp is interesting when they get into contact with newly conquered human worlds where witches suddenly no longer get burned because of "silly superstitions" since that research into the warp was not opened to the public lots of quarantined worlds that would come close to a demonworld categorization if imperials got to see them the 4th expansion might also change the probability of tau psychers and force them to see the reality of the world instead of sticking their head in the sand

[@navilluscire2567]

They are very much aware of reality, it's literally been centuries since they've began seriously expanding into the wider galaxy and have meet and fought against pretty much ALL of the major parties. The only thing we don't know is how do they deal with the psykers amongst their domain, be it the humans or even the other psychic species they've allied with or brought into the fold. I suspect the reason why this part of the lore hasn't been fleshed out much and why the t'au are bizarrely portrayed as being stupidly ignorant of "warp fickery" and psychic powers even though it makes no sense (they had centuries of contact with humans and other species with psykers long before the Damocles crusade happened) is because the t'au might actually provide valid alternatives the Imperium's methods and dare I say put the zealous SPACE religious nutcases in a bad light with the t'au handling things in a more 'humane' manner. (for common 40k standards that is) It is weird how we hear next to nothing about human psykers born within or became apart of the t'au empire(s?). (Farsight's enclaves I'm not sure about) How much longer can writers keep using bullsh*t like the t'au somehow STILL don't know anything about pyskers or the warp even after a stupid amount of time of exposure to such phenomena or events and numerous engagements? (apparently not even the ethereals themselves or other high ranking t'au characters know much, aside from apparently Farsight himself)

[@MichaelWasnotTaken]

I appreciate the little guy meme. Because my baby niece (3) likes saying little guy. Don't know where she picked it up, but she points at people in the grocery store and says "a little guy" if they're short. It's funny as hell in hindsight In the store not so much.

[@theragingnerd1281]

The well-endowed short stack goblin is cannon now and there is nothing you can do about it bricky

[@lordgeneralmilitantdeezy7550]

The Emperor having his own warp realm would make sense since he has the Daemon Marines that just appear and disappear across the galaxy led by the headless Daemon of Ferrus Manus.

[@MsStalker97]

oh that is new to me that the legio of the damned have a primarch in the ranks ^^

[@davidcendana2302]

40k is full of disturbing stuff but headless ferrus manus roaming around stirs the fear response in my brain. like those headless in sekiro... but much bigger

[@thesilliestgoose5990]

I like the idea that all of the Imperial Demons take the form of humans who died in battle fighting for the Emperor, which would make sense given how the Imperium sees the act of dying for big E as sacred, and the minds and ideas of those with souls reflect in the warp.

[@tartarustrommler5454]

While J. Space having his own warp real makes sense and he most likely is a real god, I absolutely loathe the "theory" of him being "the chaos god of faith" The ruinous four are what they are becuse they feed of things that aren't faith. That is what differentiates them from other gods. Khain needs worship to survive, Khorne doesn't. There could be something like a greater god of faith that feed on faith itself. But I don't belive that Big E gains anything from the eldars faith in their gods, he gets no power from a nurgle priest holding a cermon or from an Ork krumpin a git in da name of Gork(or maybe Mork). He is just like every other god. He just has a bigger following than them

[@Fisthammet]

@@thesilliestgoose5990 *"Only in death does duty end. Even in death I still serve."*

[@lordtallon5610]

It’s actually stated the Nurgle’s power is the one that changes the most. Much like the constant cycle of death and rebirth he propagates, when disease strikes many worlds he is extremely powerful but once the diseases and plagues die out he is the weakest but he will always surge back to the top and to the bottom again in a constant endless cycle

[@shadlz1628]

The succ based warp theory in a nutshell: you want coffee but the only shop within 100 miles is a boba shop. You only want the coffee and none of the tapioca pearls (daemons). So a smart person (an experience psyker) would just use a normal or smaller straw and suck harder to get more of the coffee. But someone not as smart (new psykers and cultists) use the standard boba straw and end up slurping up tapioca pearls.

[@pifilixxiv3192]

Won't lie, I kinda like to imagine the chaos gods were born during the war in heaven, but were just like, minor thingies, minor demons which didn't matter much. But over time they grew their power and for example: khorne "became" the chaos God during the middle ages, akin to like a second birthing imagining.

[@mattezuka1274]

For what I believe, it's like every god lived in the warp, but like how Christianity took over European religions, God overtook the pagan gods, and eventually the chaos gods we know and love got strong enough to defeat the other gods (see slaanesh and the eldari gods). Nurgles garden probably started out as the garden of eden, but as humans terraformed entire planets, balance with nature went out the window and rot and pestilence took over

[@brokedude9999]

The War in Heaven didn't feed much to the warp. The souls and emotions were devoured by the C'Tan as each world burned under the Necrons. The Aeldari were being reincarnated at that time. The Krorks have the Great Green thing. And are 3 steps removed from the warp when the weird boys cast mayhem. The warp was for all intents and purposes like a desert in a drought. The only Psychic activity that really occurred was the Enslaver beings activity that added to the emotional surge

[@Nempo13]

The problem is, the middle ages didn't experience the kind of death Khorne would truly like regularly. The American Civil War had more regular and HIGH losses of life than most actual battles in the Middle Ages. It was not uncommon for 200 people to die and for an army to surrender back then. For them to lose 50 men and to fall back to try again a week or more later. The American Civil War saw thousands and tens of thousands dying every month. Multiple times it was recorded that blood would be ankle or even knee deep in parts of a battle field. If you look at the number of soldiers America has lost in every conflict after their Civil War, it is LESS than what they lost during their Civil War. WW1 and 2 saw swathes of the countryside completely turned into hell, and yet still doesn't touch that level of bloodshed from the American Civil War. We have this Hollywood image of battle in the Middle Ages, but in reality they never completely destroyed an army. It didn't happen. They would take over half an army prisoner. This kept strong backs available for labor in a region. Were there a lot of injuries and wounds? Very much so! This meant most people died due to bleeding out, infection, and shock. All things Khorne frankly HATES. He wants honorable combat and quick deaths.

[@pifilixxiv3192]

@@Nempo13 well, khorne is alla about close quarter combat, and civil war had people shoot each other

[@brokedude9999]

You may also be forgetting the most important piece to the Chaos God's power growth ***Intent*** 500,000 men die in the Civil War and even more are Mangled. If 1 person was sacrificed in the Egyptian Era *in the Name* of Khorne That would feed Him more than a Million dead from a random War.

[@Lechuga1815]

Since they started out by talking about how the warp is in the real world. My favorite theory is that the movie Event Horizon is just about humanities first time traveling through The Warp.

[@alexanderm8880]

Don't feel bad for Lorgar, he knew exactly what would happen to Argal Tal in the Warp and he was fine with it.

[@BrunoWolfMetal]

Lorgar is a master of " I know that will be the most fucked up evil thing ever, but gods told me to do and gods are gods"

[@zigmus00A]

Ya feel bad for him right up until the point where he starts getting people harmed to make himself feel better.

[@williamcadenhead6759]

In regards to the relative strengths of the Chaos Gods, Nurgle is currently the weakest, in a recent novel, when Guilliman gets possessed by the Emperor while fighting Mortarion, it is revealed that Nurgle is currently so weak that Emps could kill him outright if he wnated to expend the power to do so. Given that, and som other things, the current ranking seems to be 1. Khorne, 2. Tzeentch, 3. Slaanesh, 4. Nurgle, 5. GW

[@Logamer-tn6db]

Makes sense, considering Emps put a big ol wound on Nurgle.

[@davisdf3064]

Impossible, Games Workshop is fueled by pure greed and bad decisions, wich are plenty in WH40k and in real life.

[@sirkelendor5429]

"5. GW" kekorach

[@sinistrality7883]

Khorne would make sense to be the strongest, afterall it's *WARHAMMER* 40K.

[@davechongle]

@@sinistrality7883i wouldve thought slaanesh or tzeentch would be 1 but i guess khorne makes some sense

[@Azzie420]

Side thing the raising of Monarchia was genuinely a fucked up event the impact on Argel Tal seeing the girl blinded and broken was genuinely heart wrenching, she senses his anger and he closes up becoming cold trying to work everything out

[@nightmagnus7595]

On the "Khorne appeared in the middle ages" deal, I'd argue it was more that Khorne got an influx of strength and took the reins as a Big Guy TM, got the upper hand over the other millions of minor chaos gods just by humanity deciding to get a little too jiggy wit it.

[@Robotron56]

Wow, that entire hole analogy was absolutely loaded.

[@Reddotzebra]

It has always been my headcanon that the Orks were the second race the old ones created, the eldar were the prototype. The Eldar needed a bunch of time and stories to bring their gods into existence, the Orks didn't have to, because their gods are everything the Orks represent.

[@Madjo-qj2ge]

Forget The Emperor, Shy is the most powerful being on entire WH40K

[@Zakvadr1995]

Hey Sky, if you get this, the next time Bricky starts badmouthing don’t just go for the Shortstack Goblin… make him the Shortstack Goblin Anime Girl Poster!

[@honestkyn718]

It's my brithday so i'm gonna consider this my gift from you guys. Thanks for doing this by the way. You've brought me a lot of fun for this year of my life!

[@MrFryTastic]

Happy birthday 🎂

[@The_Bird_Bird_Harder]

🎊🎉🎊🎉🎊

[@vegladex]

I think the Geth analogy is probably a good explanation of the Hive Mind of the Tyranids overall. However, Tyranids are also a little bit more complex, because they DO also have "Queens". "Norn Queens", specifically. They're a BIG brain creature that stays on the Hive Ships; I think each Splinter Fleet has to have at least one to exert synapse control, or everything will revert to instinctive behaviours. Also, Legion is smarter because there's more Geth in him, but bigger 'Nids with "more soul" are smarter because they're just literally bigger-brain creatures, and having "more soul" is a *result* of that, not the cause. It might be rather difficult to tell, though, because greater Tyranid Psyker ability means a greater Synapse connection, and thus access to the TOWERING intellect of the greater Hive of Minds that the network of Norn Queens are.

[@Volvith]

I tuned into this 'Live' with Bricky saying "You gotta SUCK harder DK, YOU GOTTA *SUCC.",* about 22 minutes in. ... Honestly i have no idea what the fuck i expected. Never change. :)

[@SPGaming-jm8wi]

I still don't know how DK hasn't made a pun about the poster being "ABS-olutely fantastic"

[@MatCor-ty7zi]

On the part about "when were the Chaos Gods made?", I personally interoperate it as that they were created during/after the War in Heaven, but were not conscious. It was not until the Crusades, Black Death and Renaissance that Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch respectively "woke up".

[@CryptoFiles]

The whole "chaos gods are the big pirates" analogy just made me think of them as the four emperors from one piece.

[@navilluscire2567]

Tzeentch using a maddening slapped together *submarine barrel* thing made me chuckle alot! XD (sounds right up his infinite alley of madness)

[@JEOVAHxRxGOD]

I listened to twice dead King and got it in my headcannon that the disphorak sorta acts like a necron "soul", sensation is real important for warp stuff and while I don't really know why tau are so dim it makes sense to me that the necron would retain their soul but stripped down to only the essentially functions the c'tan needed for their army. The disphorak doesn't receive sensory information to stay as bright as luminescent moss and goes crazy but keeps the necron in the necrodermis as close to the original necrontyr as possible

[@hammeroftyr]

A common misconception is that the Chaos Gods (aside from Slaanesh) were made during several important events in Earth's history (Khorne - the Mongol conquest, Nurgle - the Black Plague, Tzeentch - the Renaissance) and that these events caused these beings to manifest and grow to become gods. The more reasonable consideration is that these events were not the cause but a *symptom* of these gods' birth as their ruinous energies flooded across the Warp and seeped into Realspace.

[@lazyc0mmander277]

In that case, 2 and 4chan is definitely what slaanesh did to us...

[@jamzee_]

The best ive heard about ork belief in the warp, they just have their own dimension they pull from. Explains why orks just sort of, happen.

[@srcocomad]

I love so much how sometimes Luetin and yall overlap! A couple nights before i heard his hour long essay about the warp, souls, why is it a hellscape etc.. Now, my doubts will be resolved with a phrasing like "just a little soul".

[@javonyounger5107]

If one somehow killed all the tyrinds at once it would likely birth a new chaos god

[@mrb514]

But wouldn't killing Tyranids be a prudent and orderly thing to achieve?

[@javonyounger5107]

@@mrb514 Killing them normally wouldn't cause this as by the time the last few die the hivemind as a whole would be greatly diminished.

[@mrb514]

@@javonyounger5107 So an all-at-once thing would have to be something on a truly massive scale, but not a void blast as that annihilates the warp presence too I think that's been done to part of a hive fleet when an Imperial ship was detonated amongst them. What kind of hubris could it be? Recklessness? Calm indifference to the consequences.. I feel like it would have to have a lot to do with how it was done and the mindset of who did it.

[@user-cz1id3ts5m]

@@mrb514Maybe it’s like a chaos god of hunger and consumption that feeds off of people eating and like consuming the resources of planets and stuff

[@mutantmaster1]

The chaos gods could have started as little nuggets of congealed ideas, but after the War in Heaven made the warp go from an ocean with a few rough waves to a turbulent shitshow with maybe a few spots of calm, they started gaining energy and emotions, until they gained enough to be self-seficient. With time in the warp being a joke daemons tell each other, it could have happened whenever on that plane, but to the material plane, it happened around certain periods

[@michasalamon8315]

Do Lords of Silence next. Its amazing book you will enjoy it.

[@555tork]

There is an entity of the Greater Good currently being created in the Warp right now being powered by all the client races of the T'au Empire, the 4th sphere expansion are aware of this after sitting in the warp for a while and became extremely xenophobic as a result.

[@ashton7742]

Fun fact: the first submarine to be used in combat was used by the confederates during the US Civil War. It killed more confederates during traing and its single mission than union soldiers.

[@caveman2787]

Wasn't there a goofy ahh barrel submarine used in the American revolution in the 1770s?

[@fluffly3606]

@@caveman2787, If I'm not mistaken the Turtle story is now thought to be apocryphal

[@caveman2787]

@@fluffly3606 thise words cant hurt me because i dont know what they mean

[@Metal_Maoist]

I kinda hate the interpretation that Khrone was made during the Middle Ages. The cosmic concept of violence really shouldn't give a shit about some backwater planet with barely a billion sentient beings who don't even have real psykers yet.

[@mangaman1728]

I've heard theories that the Chaos gods existed even before the war in heaven, some depictions have them as the polor opposites of what they are now while others say they were neither good nor evil simply the embodiment of realities, even slaanesh supposedly existed before the eldar empire fell I'm still new to the lore but A youtuber called weshammer brought this up, even brought up loregaer book, in it apparently there are old scripter & books that worship the dark gods but their description where different they went by names such as Khaane, Tezen, slanat & Narag. I actually really like idea, because it leads to the idea that destroying them or shutting them away only leads destroying reality as we know it it leads to the idea maybe instead of destroying them we must purify them because the only reason they got like this was because the war in heaven and they stay like this because the everlasting war in 40K.

[@dimitriosdrossidis9633]

Yeah, but this is only one possible interpretation. The majority of lore, if In remember, mostly portrays the chaos gods, as beings that use "honor, love, hope, renewal" etc. to lure us in, when in reality they don't care one bit about their followers and are already lost in their desire for more excess. And I doubt, that they are even anywhere near as old as the necrons.

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

@@dimitriosdrossidis9633 The Warp reflects every emotion of every soul, so yeah, Khorne does value honor in battle, and Slaanesh does value love. My theory is that, since *every* emotion is reflected, and since warp entities are inherently hungry for power, rather than having a bunch of gods of Honor or Love running around, soaking that power up, existing warp entities just multiclassed so they could have that power for themselves. So yeah, Slaanesh gets almost as much power from a loving father as she does a devoted S and M slave. Nurgle gets power from a grandparent who accepts death with a smile. Tzeetnch gets power from people who want to change and get better. And Khorne's domains are so intrinsically tied that he gets power from all bloody conflict basically.

[@sparking023]

What I like about this is that I can listen to a topic from Leutin, get the lore accuracy and intricate details, then come here and shutdown the brain. Yes, I come for the kekkery that always spawns between Bricky and DK

[@TwoSevenX]

Onion fumes are sulfur. The water traps the sulfur.

[@Its-Just-Zip]

Its episodes like these where we need to Photoshop a shovel into bricky's hand for that opener

[@ragewielder3098]

Plot twist: There was no cabal, instead the Alpha legion primarchs found an ancient record written over 10,000 years earlier of 30 and 40K and so chose traitor side because they knew how it would play out.

[@zigmus00A]

That's *exactly* what the Alpha Legion wants you to think!

[@jagnestormskull3178]

@@zigmus00A Or is that what the Alpha Legion wants you to think?

[@drigoleus1055]

So I was in a warhammer store in spain and I got a first born marine from a box with extra parts And in comparason to primaris He his just a pequeño chico

[@traehdieter175]

@ 37:00 wow DK I am so proud of you what a good interpretation it's been so awesome seeing him go from clueless and shocked at everything to now having an astute understanding of topics!!

[@zmansoul9450]

I like the theory that there is a heaven in the warp. My version of that theory is by destroying the religions of man that those gods lost power. Add to the fact the other races gods are dead or have less power. Chaos had free rain in the Warp. It adds to the secret deepness that warhammer has. Yeah big E believes religion is the greatest evil but maybe just maybe it's also important and needed. I would love if this theory is true I think it just makes too much sense to have demons and never had something other. That in the grim dark future that all good has died even peace in heaven only leaving war with hell

[@Notbatman374]

The living saints are theorized to kind of be sort of like celestial demons. Like psykers can tell they are warp entities but they are pure good.

[@zmansoul9450]

@@Notbatman374 yeah considering how Saint Celestine looks it's clear that they're not really demons. Might be related but clearly not the same. So yeah more reason I believe there is/was a heaven in the warp but with all the grim dark of 40k it's either weaker or dead.

[@invidatauro8922]

10:34 We really need to teach people more about the middle ages because the fact that people still believe that bull is depressing.

[@EVER_PRINCE]

My favourite theory for why there are no good warp entities is that every thought and believe Is reflected within the Warp, but magnified, which is confirmed, and that all good beliefs, actions and thoughts are even more good, kind, and peaceful, and as a result, these minor warp entities are instantly jumped onto by the more violent, aggressive and hostile warp entities, wherein they are consumed, and the energy is consumed into the entity that killed it, thereby pushing the characteristics of that entity even further. So bad thoughts in real space -> evil warp entities, and good thoughts -> really good warp entities. Evil and agressive warp entities attack and consume good peaceful warp entities, who use the energy of those they consumed to go from just evil to really evil.

[@Neoreaver]

The doodle on Bricky's head had me laughing quite hard, well done.

[@IdioticSynergy]

Tonite On Ridiculous Gear: James punches a great unclean on in the folds, Hammond takes some Mushrooms and sees the abs of Fulgrim and I warp travel in a reasonably priced ship.

[@lazymidas4262]

I love this so much jixaw all thé way

[@IdioticSynergy]

@@lazymidas4262 I'm glad someone enjoys these comments

[@lazymidas4262]

@@IdioticSynergy yeah thanks dude, it gave me a good laugh !

[@IdioticSynergy]

@@lazymidas4262 Thank you man

[@TheCthultist]

Man, I never realized just how much I missed out on by only listening to the audio version of this series. Shy, you rock.

[@CommissarMitch]

I think the best way to describe the Tau using the allegory of the straw is this. The Tau is like taking a glass of water fom the ocean. It is basically indistinguishable for the real thing but much much smaller.

[@benjaminwilliams4301]

"...Because [Cegorach's] a little clown asshole." Maybe, but if I had to trust my soul with any god in 40k, he'd be pretty high on the list

[@khylerbane4523]

Last time I was this early, the realm of souls wasn’t the warp yet.

[@padekanmbi63]

The description of the warp as the sea and the chaos gods as 4 great pirates just made me think about one piece and the Yonko

[@BenLJudy]

Suction is the pressure of air moving from a place with a higher density of air to a lower density of air, so in a complete vacuum, there reaches a point of maximum suction. In Bricky's Suction Explanation of the Warp, it would imply that suction can continually get stronger, but in reality, suction can only reach the point of a complete vacuum. In 40k, the ability for psykers to draw Warp energy can, in theory, have limitless growth in the amount of energy that can be drawn through a controlled, small hole. It would be more close to saying that the barrier between reality and the warp is like a cellular membrane and demons are bacteria, which will go through if there is a big enough hole, but can't fit through a solid cellular membrane. Meanwhile, the cells can cause active transport of things into the cells by the use of proteins that actively attract things across instead of a passive high to low density exchange.

[@ViewtifulJoe8463]

I just got my hoodie in from the Pile of Shame and I love it! I thought DK might be shilling a bit when he said what nice quality they are. If I'd only known sooner I'd have ordered more!

[@namelessunknown4974]

I really hope titans are brought up at some point

[@SyntheticSilverGem]

I imagine the tyrranid hive mind is like a massive amount of e-coli. Yeah if you feed each e-coli whatever protein they will shit out that protein, regardless of the other protein around them. Hive fleets arguing is the same as watching one section of the intentional wall absorbing more liquid.

[@oceanman1687]

This is bloody great. Another awesome episode guys.

[@kaidothedrunkard]

Straw Theory sounds more straight to the point, tbh. Khorne is gonna smite me for this.

[@tyberostheredwake6153]

27:15 "Eldar can consider humans underevolved monkey unworthy of their attention but still be concerned about Space Marines for roughly the same reason you'd be concerned if a Gorilla in full plate bursts into your apartement waving a shotgun around" *changemodomega*

[@lep3nseur]

"People are not here for the episode " No, I'm here for Shy's pic et video editing I'm never disappointed

[@MZeora]

Tzeentch has a submarine cause he thrives on SUB-terfuge. :D

[@JT-xx3nt]

If you guys are maybe gonna cover Dornian Heresy at some point, then please consider the Roboutian Heresy too. It was inspired by the former and has had an incredible amount of work put into it

[@BigBenFranklin]

Pile of Shame is a great idea! Love it.

[@chilliophillio1645]

17 minutes in and this is the best episode 🙌 hands down.

[@alejandrorojas3399]

Got kharne poster first day, arrived yesterday and now it sits above my bed. Greatest purchase of my life.

[@Yasha277]

Bricky's metaphore for the warp is very weird, but very easy to understand, so I approve.

[@maxwaltham5853]

Pov: Your teacher asks everyone if they're ready to present their book report, the kid next to you swears and starts scribbling something... ... it's his turn to present.

[@СтаниславБерезовский-щ5я]

Khorne COULD NOT possibly be as young as humanity’s Middle Ages, because Slaanesh is THE youngest Chaos God, and it was spawned by the Eldar LOOOONG before humanity itself. So Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeench simply must be far older. It is reasonable to assume they were created during the War in Heaven.

[@richardgreathead5735]

The fall of the eldar and rise of slaanesh is said to cause the age of strife so very much in humanities future

[@_gherf]

Slaanesh didn’t exist until after humanity had expanded throughout the galaxy.

[@dungeon_crawlers]

@@_gherf yes, I’ve learned that since making this post. I was wrong an you are right. However… Don’t you find such chronology a bit illogical? I certainly do. It is said that at it’s apex, the Elder Empire spanned nearly the whole galaxy (so it was at least on par with the Imperium). Yet the Imperium is much, much weaker than humanity before the Age of Strife - at the Apex of Dark Age of Technology. So the question is… Who was in fact the dominant intergalactic superpower? The Elder or the Old Humanity? Because if you are correct, those two have to share roughly the same time. I fail to see how two such unterstellar superpowers could ever peacefully coexist in the Warhammer setting.

[@itaykerensm1629]

​@Dungeon Crawlers by the time of the age of Stife the Eldar were happy in their pleasure worlds, and when they needed to travel they used the webway, so they didn't interact much with humanity.

[@dungeon_crawlers]

@@itaykerensm1629 well they could not care much for humanity… But I cannot fathom how humanity could not care about them. Human nature is the same no matter what age it is, Imperium or no Inmperium. If the eldar resided in literal heaven-worlds, I can not imagine how humanity would just ignore them and NOT want to take those worlds from the eldar. It feels like there was just no way to avoid conflict, given that humans are… humans. But I guess I’m just nit-picking at this point. WH lore is Full of plot holes and contradictions.

[@eirikwf1]

16:40 - 16:47 I love when DK stands up for himself :)

[@michaelhall4222]

gotta love your editing Shy

[@M3D1K]

This is hilarious. I was listening to some Eldar stuff a few days ago and was wondering if Chaos just ends up getting everyone once they die. Thanks bois. And Shy

[@danieljacob9717]

The thing with trying to ascend to daemonhood is that not only do you have to commit acts so extreme to warrant the gods attentions but you also have to remember that there are about a million other worshippers trying to do the same thing as you. So you either have to take them out or do something unique compared to everyone else like removing the eyes of every death watch marine you've slain.

[@Canadianenclave]

came for the lore, stayed for the Monster House frog reference

[@tomaspabon2484]

15:22 Well shit, the last thing I expected in AdRic is a WKUK reference.

[@edgarallenpo8330]

27:18 the return of the Y boner- *with a vengeance*

[@the_victorious_1]

ALUCARD!

[@Zivon96]

If you're talking about which Chaos god is the weakest right now, it might actually be Nurgle since, *SPOILER ALERT* Papa Nurgle and his realm got set on fire recently

[@pogsothoth]

Plague wars fucking blows

[@boomityboomityboom]

I'd love an episode of Shy teaching the other two about Gork and Mork

[@commissarbearz]

Tzeentch is a submarine?! I have a perfect quote from wise monk. "Do I think? Does a submarine swim? How amusing."

[@BriefMortal777]

Whatever the next episode is it needs to start with Bricky telling dk about the daemon of the greater good

[@galacticlupine9460]

A hive mind refers to multiple organisms using a singular mind. A good example of this is the Borg.

[@cartersamberlad17775]

Great analogies now I need a AU of the chaos gods as pirates

[@damaskusseraph6046]

My fav analogy for the dark Jesse is their soul being like a cup full of water. With a hole at the bottom constantly dripping into slaneesh. And to refill it they do the torture hedonism.

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

by far my favorite thumbnail