Adrian Rogers Calvinism The False Doctrine of Election Predestination Trim Whosoever Will

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

Praise God what a beautiful message ❤️🙏

[@outtahere321]

Jesus even says all that the Father gives Him, he will raise up on the last day. When looking at anything in the scriptures, I believe one must approach discussions from the standpoint that God is Sovereign. He even made Pharoah to show his mighty power in bringing him to power and then bringing him down. We all are unable to go to God unless He calls us. We are dead in our sins and trespasses until God by His own power brings us to life spiritually.

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

God so loved the world. Also God knows all things both are right family 🕊️🔥

[@ShermanMays-fw8ko]

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[@tnowandthen-t8t]

Take Dr. Rogers for an example: 1. He did not accept Calvinism. 2. He preached against it. 3. He *_never_* called it heresy or attacked brothers who believe it. Why #3? Because he was a MATURE, godly Christian. Those who scream "heresy!" and rail and yell and misrepresent it, are NOT.

[@jeffshows6003]

Please read John 17

[@Onlythetruth88]

Does anyone really understand predestination. I have had it explained to me many times and I still don’t understand it.

[@michaelbirke6050]

Explain Ephesians 1:4.

[@dr.joew.aguillard711]

1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

[@andrewtsousis3130]

Ephesians 1: What has been predestined in this passage? Paul is saying the actual adoption as sons, and being made righteous through the blood of Christ is what has been predestined, not specific individuals to salvation. How do we know this? Paul specifically refers to the audience and their Salvation later on in the passage? Vs 13. “And you were also included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of salvation. When you believed, you were marked with a seal the Holy Spirit”. Ie they became In Christ when they believed. Clearly predestination and their salvation are two separate topics in this discourse, Ie “and you were also” infers this. Not only that, but notice the definition of Salvation, Ie they heard the gospel, they then believed, and received the Holy Spirit. There is no reference to having to be regenerated first in order to believe, if anything this passage refutes reformed doctrine, it certainly doesn’t prove or support it in any way.

[@thorntoncromwelliii3323]

Sound theology does not allow for double jeopardy.

[@FrankFriedrich-lc6ie]

He's right, Calvinism is wrong

[@ChauncyRotenberry]

Does God know all things? So God saw with his infinite Ford knowledge who would come to him and who wouldn't correct? So him knowing the ones who would come to him through his son those are the ones he predestined and also the ones he called. So to say that God didn't choose the ones he saw what's say that he doesn't know everything and didn't see it all. So yes he did want all men to be saved but he saw that they wouldn't come to him so the ones that can be drawn by his spirit he predestined them.

[@aj9640w]

One arguement for mans freewill ,is the idea that God would not ask of us that which we are incapable of doing. We are commanded to believe, repent, and obey. But God also commands "be ye Holy, as He is Holy". 1 Pet. 1:15 . Also, " be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect".Matt. 5:48 Are we capable in our flesh to be " perfect, and holy, just like God? God commands us to be born again. John 3:3. We had no part in being born the first time, and are not able to be born again. Yet God has required all of these things of us, and more. If left to our own " freewill," we would never even entertain a desire to fulfill these commands. The bible says that we are slaves to sin, and that we are dead in our trespasses and sin. Roman's 3: 10 -12 ," there is none righteous, no not one, there is none that even seeks God"." The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor ' can' he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor. 2:14. Every choice we make is governed by our enslavement to sin, and in opposition to Gods will. Paul speaks of not doing what he wants to do, but rather doing what he 'does not' want to do. Roman's 7: 14,15. Even though we do have freedom to make choices, our will is not truly free. Autonomy.( Greek meaning " self rule or govern") is defined as, not in subjection to anyone or anything .There is in fact only one truly autonomous being in the universe. God alone is the only sovereign and autonomous being.There cannot be more than one sovereign or autonomous being in existence , just as there cannot be, an immovable object, and an irresistible force existing simultaneously. If an immovable object 'cannot' be moved by an irresistible force, then the irresistible force is not irresistible, and if an immovable object 'can' be moved by an irresistible force, then it is not an immovable object. Likewise, if God is truly sovereign , then man cannot be autonomous. Until man has been regenerated and given a new nature by God, he is helpless , to become holy or perfect. He is in a state of inertia, unchanging , and must be transformed from a source outside of himself. " No one ' can ' come to Me, unless the Spirit draws him" . John 6:44. " Who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:13 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. Ezekiel 36:26. " When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. Col.2:13. It is only by Gods intervention that we obtain the ability to believe , and to be born again. He must first regenerate us, without which, we are not only unwilling, but also unable to believe." For the natural man" will not, and cannot recieve the things of God.1 Cor. 2:14. Salvation is one hundred percent the work of God, we have no part in accomplishing it, just as we had no part in our earthly birth. You might ask then, if it is Gods work alone that saves us,how does our responsibility come into play? ," But thou, O man, who art *thou* that answerest again to God? Shall the thing formed say to him that has formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Or has not the potter authority over the clay, out of the same lump to make one vessel to honour, and another to dishonour? 22And if God, minded to shew his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much long-suffering vessels of wrath fitted for destruction; 23and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he had before prepared for glory".Roman's 9: 19-24. God is God, and we are not. His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts. Above all else, He is always Righteous, Merciful and Gracious . He will always do the right thing, even when we cannot always see or understand.

[@DOJOPROSHOP]

The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for, either: Premise 1- All the sins of all men. Premise 2- Some of the sins of all men. Premise 3- All the sins of some men. In which case it may be said: A. If the first premise is true, then why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins? You answer: Because of unbelief. I ask: Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If unbelief is a sin, then Christ either suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He died for the sin of unbelief, then why must unbelief hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not die for their sin of unbelief, then He did not die for all their sins! B. If the second premise is true, then all men have some sins to answer for; and so none are saved. C. If the third premise is true, then Christ in their stead, suffered for all the sins of all the elect in the whole world; and this is the truth.

[@drewllew2886]

John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Whosoever MUST be born again in order to see, actually see heaven or even to comprehend the Word from heaven. And that is to be born of the Spirit. The comparison is made with our own natural birth, which none of us have any control over. God is sovereign in our being born again of the Spirit.

[@brianschmidt704]

But Paul tells us in the book of Roman that those he foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son. So what we see is that predestination is not God deciding who is going to be saved, but those who take a particular choice are guarantee to be saved. God's foreknowledge of the future does not mean He decided. God is outside of time , so He knows who will choose him but does compel them.

[@wawabbit]

​@@brianschmidt704 No. All men are predestinated to be conformed to the image of God. All. That one dies in rejection of Jesus Christ does not mean he did not have a way to be saved. Jesus IS The Way.

[@kingterence1598]

@@brianschmidt704 I think Paul might differ given his conversion on the road to Damascus hmm I guess he could have said “sorry Lord I’m not interested”. Nope. God calls to man as He did Paul not the other way around.

[@brianschmidt704]

@kingterence1598 I read that Joshua told the people to "choose this day whom you will serve..."

[@kingterence1598]

@@brianschmidt704 Yup. That solves the debate. Too bad Calvin, Spurgeon, MacArthur, Sproul and Piper missed it. If only they had read that darn it.

[@roguecode2354]

I think the question is more based on the fact that God is all knowing and is not restricted by time or space. He is Omnipotent and Omnipresent. It is just that humans have a hard time understanding that God already knew your future before you were born and also knows if you will be saved. So we go through a passage of time where we don't know and are trying to find Christ but the concept of knowing that He already knows if we don't make it is really terrifying. But we must not give up and accept these words in the video as the only instruction we can abide by, and submit ourselves to Christ.

[@wawabbit]

No. You are thinking small. You think you know how God thinks. You are wrong. He is I AM. As the LORD asked Job, Were you there...?

[@tennkid5335]

It is God's will for all to be saved. God knows how we will choose, but the choice is ours. If a person goes to hell, it is because of their own unbelief. Not because God chooses some and not others.