0033 No more holes in my TRS-80 Model II keyboard case!

On today's SMMC, we have a replacement case for my beat up and neglected TRS-80 Model II. If you recall from the original video, the keyboard from this machine was badly cracked and had a hole in the case. Also, we have a nice pile of vintage ICs.
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[@stuartkenny]

I'm holding out for Adrian's Digital Basement III 'Now with further ado'

[@Leofwine]

ADB /// will feature a lot of failed projects and will be abandoned within two years, just like the Apple ///.

[@BulletproofKuloodporny]

What the other comment here

[@tarzankom]

As someone who deals with chronic back and neck issues, I can totally relate to being unable to move heavy things on occasion. It can be frustrating. I hope your shoulder heals quickly.

[@johnpossum556]

This info may be dated but back in the day when we wanted to keep our TRS-80s looking fresh there was a grey cadillac paint that matched. Key to the shoulder is a mild strengthening program once you get your shoulder unfrozen.

[@peterjf7723]

I had a frozen shoulder in 2014, my GP sent me to a physiotherapist who diagnosed a rotator cuff injury. She went on through a series of strengthening and stretching exercises for me to try. With the exercise plan I started to feel better after a week and was pain free after four weeks.

[@MattKasdorf]

Yeah, don't knock physio. I had some nasty vertigo, and the meds were complicating the situation; after just two odd / strange neck stretching exercise sessions (NOT chiro!) it started to lapse. Three weeks later I was functional again.

[@peterjf7723]

@@MattKasdorf I had some unpleasant reactions to corticosteroids so can't really take them. Last time I took them my vision was disrupted. It caused fluid bubbles to form under my retina. The consultant at the eye hospital knew almost at once what the problem was. My regular family doctor had not heard of this, luckily cthe consultant had given me copies of papers about this.

[@mwwhited]

As a way to sort components ICs, active and passive components... I used 4 inch binders with playing card sheets and antistatic envelopes. It made a pretty clean way to file components without having a mess of those little flip out draw cabinets or sorter boxes. They also fit nicely on bookshelves which is great as my current "electronics workshop" is my home office. I do still have some of the larger components in a stack of sorter boxes but it's far fewer and much more organized with the binders.

[@parrottm76262]

Ugh, frozen shoulder! No! I have both shoulders frozen, and people have no idea how debilitating and painful those can be. If you have the choice of going under anesthesia and having the shoulder 'cracked' by an expert, I highly recommend it. I had that done on my second one after doing the whole physical therapy only approach and it took forever. My best to you. So glad the Model II keyboard has been updated!

[@necessarycoot7239]

I don't know about anyone else, but I would totally watch a stream of you sorting a bunch if ICs.

[@50shadesofbeige88]

Yeah two things I'll always miss about living in Oregon. The Spring/Summer weather, and the tap water.

[@50shadesofbeige88]

Oh and the roads. They put the rest of the country to shame.

[@BulletproofKuloodporny]

U first congratulations

[@jacobslauenwhite]

Not sure about anyone else, and I don't know if you'd even want to, but I would absolutely watch a video about inventorying chips. I love that stuff.

[@dinomagick]

Diabetes and Frozen Shoulder is something that happens. I have had it, my spousal unit has had it. It's just something that happens. Took 3 months of physical therapy. But I am whole and new! just be careful Adrian. I love your videos and really love how enthusiastic you are and my favorites are the TRS 80, all the Commodores and... well.. EVERYTHING!! hahaha... keep healthy and safe Adrian!

[@ItsMrAssholeToYou]

Adrian, two easy things that will speed your shoulder recovery are vitamin C and an NSAID (OJ and aspirin are my go-tos for these). Vitamin C is central to cell integrity (acute vitamin C deficiency, aka: scurvy, is a condition where your cells literally start breaking-down), which makes it highly beneficial to healing. NSAIDs help in two ways: 1) the anti-inflammatory properties keep swelling down, reducing irritation and further damage of the tissues and allowing freer flow of circulation and lymphatic fluid, and 2) they're blood-thinners, again helping circulation. I use both and have realized an appreciable reduction in joint issues. Hope this helps.

[@sprybug]

I use those craft storage containers, that can typically have several to a few dozen spaces inside, to store my IC chips. I have different ones depending on the IC type. Each space I label with a sticker on top. I have a big one for 74 series logic, one for video IC's, one for audio IC's, one for CPU's, one for RAM, one for Comparators, etc.

[@robertsissco2439]

I don't have that many, I just have one such box and have it separated by system, so I have a C64, a PET and an Amiga space in mine. Works for me since I don't have a lot of extra chips.

[@mal2ksc]

I use a container that was repurposed from fishing. ICs and components are about the same size as sinkers and hooks, so the spacing between walls is pretty close to ideal.

[@sprybug]

@@mal2ksc Yeah, that can work as well as long as you don't end up shifting it around a lot and turning it sideways, etc. I typically store my containers on its side, so it's important for me not to have any gaps between the lid and the dividers or else components will start spilling into other compartments and that would just make things poopy!

[@mal2ksc]

@@sprybug In theory, I could turn the tackle box sideways and the partitions would hold everything in place. In practice, the lid will bow under the pressure and things will become, as you say, "poopy". A short stint on edge is probably fine, but long term storage is not.

[@idj20]

Seriously, I love your soothing and relaxing approach to things in your videos, including this one, as I watch them pre-bed time - and yet you still hold my interest right to the end. All said with respect, of course!

[@gusbert]

Well, you didn't take 30 mins of YT time to unbox my ICs, but I bet it was a lot longer in real time! Hope to see them put to good use soon, and "gan canny, man".

[@gusbert]

Sorry, can't use Telegram as it will not let me authenticate via text or call. You have got my email address though ...

[@CU08_]

@@gusbert just so you know (you probably do already) but that was a scam message.

[@gusbert]

@@CU08_ That's what I thought, thus my reply. 👍Thanks.

[@horusfalcon]

Wow! That's a lotta chips and DIP! I like mwwhited's suggestion of using binders. Seems like it would be high-density and easy to organize by type.

[@jjeffers88]

You should try to throw together a basic little “homebrew” computer. It would seem that you have most of the ingredients just from this episode! It would be a video series I would certainly watch.

[@catriona_drummond]

Oh Adrian, welcome to the frozen shoulder club! I wish you a speedy recovery. And not too much pain. my shoulder is a mess after a surgery and I lost the artery to the left arm. not fun.

[@ChrisB...]

Had frozen shoulder twice. Hanging from a pullup bar every day eventually fixes it. Best of luck!

[@duncansnowden6857]

The 68008 almost certainly came out of the Sinclair QL he also sent you the ULA for. Now, that would be an interesting machine to look at, if you can get hold of one. “Quirky” would be the polite description. :)

[@Jennifer-pk4wq]

I'd watch you organize and label your workshop! My current system: I bought a lot of storage boxes with lid and individual compartments that you can pull out, each box gets labelled by general type and each container has a label with the part (using a handheld label brother label printer). I have color-coded several types of components to find them easier. And if something doesn't fit the containers in the storage boxes, I will custom print the containers. I find that if you have everything labelled, it's easier to find it by looking at it - Using a computer can be super useful for inventory keeping, but that means whenever you need to sort it in or check something out, you need to switch context.

[@brostenen]

For a couple of years now, I have used acetone like you used. And I have this plastic paste, that I have made, mixing a bit of acetone into bits and pieces of ABS. The paste is good to fill out holes and groves to make a smooth surface or finish if you like. I also use another trick that I learned from scale model build hobby. Using super glue and baking soda, makes a hard cement type result. But it is difficult to use, as it hardens in a second. But the trick is usefull for a select few situations.

[@Electronics-Rocks]

On the foam decaying you have two types. The one that is harder more rubbery does decaying killing pins. The other type loose breaks down into dust from stock I have from the 80's. Have a look into the different types of foam

[@mountain177]

If its like the ones that were in my compaq portable, they turned to dust

[@JayVBear45]

Yeah! The community is responding with helpful tips for organizing! The binder one sounds really cool but I know what you're saying, you need a taxonomic system like a card catalog or cross reference database and that is what takes an inordinate amount of time to sort, organize and physically coordinate. Maybe ask your compatriots/patrons/friends if they could lend a hand in compiling lists and coordinate little chores like creating the master database or making labels from photos of your actual sets of chips, and have physically close, trusted volunteers taking said photographs or lending a hand with labeling and shelving the chips? Just some suggestions and I understand if you're uncomfortable with any of it. Just want to see how I might be able to help.

[@TheSudsy]

Adrian, get some putty or plasticine in the broken base and make a mold with plaster of paris or similar and make an epoxy mold to fill the gap. You now have a perfect example to mold from and two bases.

[@melkiorwiseman5234]

My very first computer was a home-brew using a couple of the 2114 chips to give 1K x 8 bits and using an old 8080A as the CPU. It never needed more than 1K since programming it was accomplished using binary input switches and getting the output was done through LEDs. The Thirteen Steps to Programming and Running the Home-Brew Dinky Little Thing Computer: 1. Ensure the run/hold switch was set to "hold." 2. Switch on. 3. Use the binary memory location switches to set the memory location (0 was the default after-reset start location). 4. Use the binary data switches to set the instruction or data. 5. Click the read/write switch momentarily to "write." 6. Repeat steps 3 & 4 until the entire program was in RAM. 7. Turn all address and data switches off since only that position had isolation diodes. 8. Push the reset button. 9. Switch the run/hold switch to "run" momentarily then back to "hold" since there was no way to tell if the program had finished (but computers run so fast anyway that a short program would run in a fraction of a second). 10. Set the memory location for the result using the binary memory location switches. 11. Click the read/write switch to "read." 12. Read the LEDs to obtain the results in binary. 13. If the answer was more than one byte in length, repeat steps 10 & 11 until you get all of the result. Fun times.

[@melkiorwiseman5234]

I've gone through the entire current comment list and reported all of the spam replies I could find. Not that it does any good. They seem to breed faster than blowflies, although I'm sure that comparison would offend the blowflies.

[@twocvbloke]

Jarrow (locally pronounced like "Jarrah") is just about 18 miles from me, and even I couldn't pronounce what he wrote, but then I'm from County Durham where the accent's a lot softer than up there in Geordieland of Tyneside... :P (Edited cos I didn't realise Jarrow was actually 18 miles, not 10, away!!!!)

[@gusbert]

Durham like? Ye posh git!

[@NEEC1]

Hello Durham from Sunderland!. Getting closer to Jarra lol. Small world and all that. :)

[@twocvbloke]

@@NEEC1 Small world indeed!!! :D

[@jeromethiel4323]

You are making me want to break out some of my old TRS-80's, and see what still works. I went through a period where i was buying a lot of vintage 8 bit machines. I have several TRS-80 model 1's, some which have some of the modifications that made the machine better. One has the extended edge connectors soldered onto the crappy expansion port so that it is now a gold plated connector. Something that savvy TRS-80 owners did back in the day as the solder coated expansion port connectors were VERY prone to oxidation and crazy intermittent problems.

[@davepost7675]

Sorry to hear about your frozen shoulder. Mine started Feb 2021... So over a year now. I think I read the same information as you, some said 18-24 months.

[@jasonoleary3527]

Arm not able to lift heavy things but works perfect as a drinking arm!! That’s not a bad injury when you think about it

[@klocugh12]

Hope your shoulder will get better soon!

[@lupinzar]

Adrian: "Sorting ICs is time consuming" Me: *Cries in LEGO* Also, hello from a fellow Oregonian.

[@kd7alt]

Hello fellow Oregonian. Yes it's been a nice spring. A bit on the over abundance on the rain.lol

[@electronraygun6346]

"Wish wash, had yer gobs, al tell yer ol an afal story..." A line from a song I learned at school in "Geordie Land" 😸

[@geoffcollins6601]

Hi - I too have had frozen shoulders (both left and right) first time was from a slight bump, the second time i have no idea. Apparently it is more common with insulin dependant diabetics. I let my left shoulder fix it self took nearly 2 years. i had surgery for my right - when i came too from the anaesthetic it felt like I'd been hit by a buss. it still to nearly 2 years to completely fix. Not sure I'd recommend surgery. All the best with your shoulder.

[@m2esectr]

Besides the Commodore 64, the 4164 is used in the CoCo 1 and the American version of the CoCo 2. The 41464 is used in the Korean CoCo 2 and in the CoCo 3 besides the C128 and C64C

[@JaapGinder]

My wife uses boxes to assort here diamond painting stuff. Those kind of boxes are useful too for all kind of IC's, chips etc. Put a number on top of each compartment and note those in a spreadsheet. I would like too help you, but I live too far away in The Netherlands... 😉

[@knghtbrd]

Hey Adrian, now'd be a good time to investigate an eMate if you can figure out how to make the thing seeable on camera! If someone ever makes a backlit TFT screen for those things, I will definitely be picking one up, but the time hasn't come for that yet. Still, it's a quirky little Newton, and quirky is fun. I'm just taking a wild guess you've got one around there somewhere. If not, I'm sure someone would send you one.

[@keithbuffy]

As a fellow Geordie well pit yaker but close that was hilarious watching you try and speak like us like man was mint lmao 🤣

[@gusbert]

Whey aye, man, a belta comment! Mebees see ye up the toon for a sup, like?

[@radman999]

Saw you on The Coriolis Effect, great job!

[@InsaneWayne355]

I feel for you regarding your shoulder. I've dealt with the that, and it took about a year to fully recover.

[@conjie1986]

might be better to use an inventory program to keep stock of everything. you could easily be a chip warehouse from the 80's

[@stevethepocket]

Now that you have a completely disposable piece of a TRS-80, you have a perfect opportunity to test out various paints to try to find a match for its silver, so you can hopefully touch up the parts that have worn down to bare plastic.

[@kjtroj]

There's a guy in Texas who restores them who found a good match.

[@stevethepocket]

@@kjtroj He found an _OK_ match. There's a bigger selection in the world than just the two colors his local hardware store had, and I'm sure that with more patience and dedication (and a head start of knowing to avoid those two) we could narrow it down to an even better one.

[@fnjesusfreak]

Intel apparently did make 486SX2s but I've only ever seen one myself and it was an AMD (50 MHz), used in a Compaq all-in-one. The Atari ST did use the YM2149, though being found alongside a TMS9918 suggests that it probably came from an MSX like you said.

[@jeromethiel4323]

You know, i am loving your channels more and more. A way to escape to a simpler time, no politics, no social decay into ruin, just good old 8 bit geek stuff.

[@kathyquinlan5922]

I use the classic wall of draws for most of my components, I need to add more as I am growing my stock of 3 terminal devices (Fets, Transistors, Triacs, IGBTS....) I label the front of the draw with a label maker label for one off's or when I made the resistor and capacitor draws I used flat sheet labels in the laser printer from Avery :) I do have an old packing box that holds rails of chips (CPU's, Memory, 7805's, logic chips etc)

[@awilliams1701]

I actually had hairbos for the first time. I bought a Prusa MK3 3d printer and it came with haribos as well as the MMU2 upgrade which also came with them. I like the flavors but the gummy part is a litter harder than I'd like, but it made me think of you. Funny thing is in the assembly manual it tells you how much of the haribos to eat at what time. lol

[@horusfalcon]

Makes me wonder if you could 3-D print specialized gummies?

[@awilliams1701]

@@horusfalcon there have been some food based 3d printers in the past to make candy and what not. I don't know if people still do that but it has existed.

[@NEEC1]

Some nice goodies there!

[@NiTye357]

I would watch a video cataloguing ICs 😆

[@tony359]

Oh no, I’ve had frozen shoulder and it’s horrible. I hope it gets better soon.

[@organiccold]

Hi Adrian, wish you a quick recovery. As you like to walk and etc you should do a video outside to show us around. Maybe do a video about the tech companies that had their origins in Portland. All the best from Southampton UK

[@andrewlyons9188]

you should keep the bottom cover for paint matching if you decide to restore the front cover.

[@buzzmx]

Thanks Todd !

[@maxtornogood]

All those electronic components wrapped up like chocolate, makes me wish it was actual chocolate!

[@sa3270]

I saw a video once where someone repaired a broken Apple II case by making a mold of a good one and filling it with something. Then they spray painted it. I'm thinking it was probably RetroRecipes or the 8-bit guy.

[@minty_Joe]

It was The 8-Bit Guy. He took his A2E Bell & Howell (black case) top cover to a nearby Maker Faire. An expert, who is employed at Disney, made an epoxy resin filler for the holes a previous owner modded the case with for a cooling fan. David then had to match a paint to hide the resin after it hardened.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

1:46 "Ken sent me" I didn't know Leisure suit Larry ran on this system!

[@BrainSlugs83]

Adrian's future shoulder doctor, after the procedure, "It freakin' works!" (jkjk here's to wishing you a good recovery. ✌🏻)

[@robjw66111]

Adrian the foil sent was from the uk so is AL YOU MINI UM foil :)

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Doesn't Lawrence know some of us are here for 30 minute videos describing each and every chip in full detail? Hehehe...

[@voneschenbachmusic]

Organization, storage and testing lol - an embarrassment in chip riches! These will be put to good use!

[@fluffycritter]

You should get yourself a 3Doodler and some ABS 3D printing filament. You can use those to do better repairs on things like this to fill in gaps and otherwise rebuilding broken chunks of things.

[@mwwhited]

If you have a rotary tool you can use the filament in the collet as a friction welder (I use 3mm in a 1/8th in collet). Works great to fixing broken cases and such when you don't want to screw with glue.

[@fluffycritter]

@@mwwhited Yeah, that works really well for small cracks too, and also on materials other than ABS. I was thinking of the 3Doodler more for rebuilding the broken plug hole.

[@timmooney7528]

Pollen is really bad here in southwest Michigan. Myeyes swell shut as soon as I step out the door (darn allergies.)

[@markfernandes5674]

68008 used in machines like Sinclair QL & th related OnePerDesk machines as cost reduction exercise

[@firesurfer]

Just take pictures of them and import them into anything that extracts text. Copy and paste into whatever. for the physical chips, leave them as they are. Label the foam pads 1-1000 or whatever and use the amazon method. That is just sort for # of the pad (shelf) I'm not sure how old the foam is. You may want to get some new conductive anti-static foam to avoid problems. It's very cheap.

[@firesurfer]

Don't forget to check for text errors.

[@AerikForager]

I'm not hinting at anything... BUT organizing videos are fun too! :D

[@rodhester2166]

maybe paint the spare top to see if silver paint and clear coat would turn out good and if so do it to the top you are going to use.

[@paveljelinek772]

Adrian, have you considered visiting a gonstead chiropractor? I SWEAR to god that that will help, that frozen shoulder is caused by something wrong in the neck, they'll fix you, you can trust me on that. I'll be glad if you try the method and mention my name in one of the next videos. Be well ♥️

[@chaoticsystem2211]

Get better!

[@garthhowe297]

Life is very hard when you have too many spare parts. Lol. I try to organize them in parts bins, but it is easy to get overwhelmed.

[@michaelcarey]

I just bought five ST6850 ACIA chips to use with my replica C64 MIDI cartridge. They are very handy chips.

[@angrydove4067]

I kept expecting to see chocolate bars in all those silver wrappers.

[@jameslewis2635]

With all those chips from an MSX computer, maybe you would consider building a reproduction MSX machine. I know that TerribleFire is building such a board. He may well have released the layout files by now. BTW the 68000 CPU in the PGA layout could well be out of an Amiga 600. That is the only machine that I know used them since pretty much all the Amiga's and Atari ST's I have known used the other layout.

[@radio-ged4626]

You're going to need to write yourself a parts database!!! Create the database contents as you find the chips when you use them in your repairs.

[@PatrickFinnegan]

TeleVideo liked the 6545. It's not directly compatible with the 6845. Likewise, the 6850 and 6551 aren't compatible either.

[@fdfmad]

Try to install DBASE 3 o 4 in an 8086 xt and you can start a retro database of retro chips 😀

[@minty_Joe]

I wonder if you could also use Borland's Paradox for MS-DOS. I've got version 4.x disk images archived with the serial numbers. The only thing missing is a book on how to expertise the program.

[@flyguille]

the 8255A is also from the same MSX.

[@oblitum]

Great Videos, great channel

[@Taisen_Des]

We wish you a speedy (but strong and secure) recovery for your hand and shoulder 🦾 💪 human hardware. 😉 ... 👋👋

[@joeysartain6056]

What about tube style chip holders? I know at one time they were available and were anti static.

[@ROBINHOOD2098]

do a video about organizing computer chip collections

[@Renville80]

I think some of us viewers who work in electronics businesses need to scare up a few spare IC storage tubes for you, which would go a very long way to getting your inventory sorted out.

[@hfiguiere]

14:58 The 68008 was a 8/32 processor, unlike the 8088 (8/16). It was a variant of the 68000 with an 8 bits data bus and smaller address bus (20 or 22 bits depending on the package). The 68000 was 16/32 with a 24 bits address bus. As mentionned by someone else, Sinclair QL used it.

[@nickwallette6201]

Next episode: Stuart sends in a shoulder.

[@graealex]

Kind of sad you didn't do a restoration on the broken keyboard, just to show how far one can take it. Can you maybe pass it on to someone who has the kind of stuff to fix it? Like the Stefan Price guy that fixed the 8-bit guys Bell&Howell...

[@JVHShack]

I have already figured out how to fix it, but Adrian ignores me...

[@PapasDino]

My better half had frozen shoulder, a steroid shot and a month of physical therapy fixed it for her...hope you're feeling better!

[@rwdplz1]

Organize the chips by package size

[@sebastianflesjandersen939]

You forgot to bring out Rammy😆

[@111smd]

you need someone to 3d print some stack-able holders

[@johanlaurasia]

On the Model I, 'main memory' and 'video memory' are one in the same as video is mapped in regular memory @ $3C00 to $4000.

[@kjtroj]

Video RAM is 2102 Static RAMs (Z44-Z48), while Z13-Z20 are DRAMs (4K or 16K, depending on the system)

[@criggie]

You need an intern to do all the menial tidy/clean stuff. I'd volunteer but the commute would be long :-\

[@twobob]

Mine took a year. They stuck needles in my shoulder and my elbow and used an "audio multimeter" to hear the muscle pulses. Trippy or what. It does eventually unclamp

[@douro20]

I think the two IDT chips may me dual-ported SRAM.

[@808v1]

8-bit Guy jogging in his jeans and Adrian riding his bike....

[@aldob5681]

that glass of icy soda is dangerous....

[@HeffeJeffe78]

I see Balok sent you some Tranya through your mail call address!

[@scottlarson1548]

My frozen shoulder lasted for eight long months. Then it decided to heal completely over just two or three days.

[@rottmanthan]

they looked like kit kat in the foil, so now i want a kit kat.

[@eddys.3524]

Frozen schoulder requires a lot of training to regain functionality...

[@shmoostead5419]

Not good to put tape on plastic cases as it can extract oils and plasticisers which also causes the adhesive to go gummy.

[@ovalwingnut]

I never thought that there might be some type of interaction between the two - iNtErEsTiNg, Shmoo

[@shmoostead5419]

@@ovalwingnut its only certain tapes, sellotape specifically, but the likes of masking tape are ok.

[@FlashPan73]

how many minutes opening kit kats! :)

[@pride293]

jesus christ how did you hurt your shoulder this is not fair