The C64 Mini - Reviewed

[@synthshoot1026]

Doesn't have HDMI monitor in the house. True 8-bit Guy !! :)

[@louistournas120]

I don't have one either.

[@francoisbasquin6974]

I don’t have HDMI monitor either. And I’m a 16/32 bits guy.... 😄

[@louistournas120]

@@francoisbasquin6974 : You aren't a 64 bit guy?

[@francoisbasquin6974]

@@louistournas120 Nope: I use an Atari STe !!! Ok, I cheat a little bit: I use the Atari STe is for my music hobby. And yes 64 bits for my day job in IT. But hey, the 8-Bits Guy uses a Mac.... :-D

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

Came here to say this... i find his consistency supremely commendable

[@Xaltar_]

The first HDMI TV was set to "Cinema" mode, that automatically zooms the picture to give you the illusion of a 16:9 aspect ratio with a 4:3 source image. If the source image is 16:9 you will see exactly what you saw, what looks like over scan. You would have needed to go through the other options and found one that worked.

[@RoastBeefSandwich]

But it seems to also have the same issue with his capture card as well.

[@AAFREAK]

I don't know of "cinema" mode for zooming or for resolution. Just color quality and brightness. But he already explained what the problem was, and it was not that. He said the unit/games were "European", which clues me in that what he was using was pretty much standard for PAL, which is what is used in Europe. NTSC is typically supported for American displays, and that wouldn't have been an issue. The fact the image was stretched for the working monitor was a dead giveaway for PAL, due to PAL having a higher resolution than NTSC.

[@SeanHodgins]

The easiest way to find the current copyright owner? Infringe on the copyright of the game. :)

[@tinplategeek1058]

And for a UK company/person, the easiest way to bankruptcy and even jail. UK has some serious copyright theft laws.

[@PACKERMAN2077]

SeanHodgins certainly someone will pop their head up begging for cash

[@steve24822]

hmmm. For really old games from companies that do not exist anymore?

[@charlesdeens8927]

lol, I was thinking the same thing. But, then the copyright holder will probably sue for some ridiculous amount of money claiming "lost revenue" and pretty much shut down your business.

[@BertGrink]

I know that for ZX Spectrum games, Odin/Thor (same guy behind both names) guards their copyright jealously.

[@uni4rm]

"I have another visitor, stay awhile, stay forever....." Man that brings back memories.

[@camillecirrus3977]

Another visitor! Stay a while... *STAY FOREVER!*

[@TheJosep70]

I always gathered all the puzzle pieces and then had no idea what to do with them.

[@AstralStriderZ]

I pretty sure that's what David (the 8-bit guy) is always thinking about his YT channel...

[@la4508]

I never knew whay the first line was...so now I know LOL. It sounded like a foreign language from my computer.

[@werewolf74]

That and mule hot me in the feels

[@henrymach]

The fake keyboard ruins it for me

[@ralph8237]

Exactly. It was a real shock for me. Not the fact that the device has no keyboard is the problem, but that there is physically a keyboard which is not more than a toy. I have 2 pre orders running at local stores, but since I saw the review yesterday I'm still thinking about a cancelation. There are so many emulators and out there, a raspberry pi does a great great job. Why should we use another emulator which at least has no positive aspects besides the case? The review was great, but the missing keyboard and missing AAA titles (like Giana Sisters or Turrican) makes it hard to keep the pleasant anticipation alive. Even if this was "only" the european model, I can't imagine the later delivered games for the US will be much better. Here in Germany for instance Giana Sisters was a huge hit and the copyright holders are still alive and active today, the same for Turrican. On my wish list was Giana Sisters, The Last Ninja 2, Raid on Bungeling Bay and Turrican. But for now, all of these titles are missing :-(.

[@bitset3741]

If you don't get it because it doesn't have a keyboard, they may not have the money or incentive to build one that does have a functional keyboard. If you have the money to spend on any nonsense, spend some on some C64 nonsense!

[@carlost856]

bitset well, no if this product doesn't bring anything he'll want then he shouldn't buy it period.

[@liamengelz]

diamened me too

[@bitset3741]

@torque this video shows it brought as much if not more than the c64 DTV and NES classic and many of the other "mini consoles". It is not a c64 replacement and was not intended to be.

[@nicstroud]

Can't believe you had never heard of Monty Mole, that was a classic. Some of the notable omissions from the list were any Jeff Minter games (Attack of the Mutant Camels, etc), Manic Miner, International Karate, WOTEF or Spy vs Spy. Even Elite despite originally being a BBC micro game. As for Paradroid, I still think that was the greatest C64 game ever.

[@evm6177]

Missing Dig Dug, Monopoly, Ghost Busters, River Raid, Rambo, V, Moon Petrol.

[@Shinnosuki]

You should definitely consider a video series on assembly programming, its nearly impossible to find any good video tutorials on it even today and most are in Hindi as well. I remember my struggles spending over 8 hours trying to output text, where the book we used didn't even mentioned it until chapters later but already assigned it as a problem from the first chapter. Not to mention even setting up the environment for it. It was the worst academic experience of my life.

[@DarrenMcCowan280470]

The included software will definitely be more familiar to those of us living across the pond in the UK and Europe. To be honest, I would put that down as a positive for those from the US thinking of buying the c64 mini, there’s some great games amongst the ones you are not familiar with.

[@madspunky]

Indeed, Europe/UK was way more into gaming on the C64 than the USA. Surprised there wasn't M.U.L.E. and Monsters in Mayhem : /

[@guerillagrueplays6301]

I'm surprised he wasn't familiar with Chip's Challenge. THough admittedly I've only played the DOS version, so maybe it's just the C64 version he didn't know?

[@d2factotum]

I think the different colour scheme may be due to that as well--I'm sure I remember my friend's C64 being that sort of brownish colour rather than the grey his full-sized one is!

[@elbiggus]

It's like the whole "videogame crash of '83" and "the NES saved gaming" stuff - the US had a very different gaming experience during the 80s, and seem tragically unaware of what happened in the rest of the world. Maybe the US version will have a different game list, but I'd be quite happy with this lot. (And on a pedantic note, he spelled "Nodes of Yesod" wrong, and mispronounced "Apshai"...)

[@DarrenMcCowan280470]

d2factotum That is DEFINITELY the colour of the UK version of the C64

[@TheGeekPub]

This is a neat device. I might actually buy one of these myself. Especially if they update the firmware and add some better features. The biggest reason I don't play my C64 is the trouble of getting it out and hooking it up.

[@a.peterrogers3488]

+TheGeekPub _Exactly_ why HDMI and USB make this the perfect _retro_ machine. Great point.

[@Lorfarius]

You expect people to drag their desktop PCs to the TV?

[@carminone]

Lorfarius Desktop PCs are usually connected to monitors.

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

They went bankcrupt In the 1990s so no. It's just made by the people who own the commodore trademark

[@WPguru]

Same here Mike, I find myself doing most of my Commodore adventures on VICE rather than on real hardware - it's just so much easier to quickly start an emulator. Looking forward to the larger size version too - imagine a real keyboard :-)

[@6581punk]

I'm stunned at how many classic C64 games you weren't familiar with. I guess they didn't travel out of Europe. It makes me wonder what US games we've missed here in Europe. We got a lot via US Gold of course.

[@Chaos89P]

That's actually a fascinating, and sometimes depressing, subject in-and-of itself. There's practically a treasure trove of games, systems, and peripherals that were either kept out of a certain region for one issue or another, kept inside one region, or were drastically changed from one region to the next. The Contra/Probotector debacle is a good example of the latter.

[@thearchiveable]

6581punk EU did not miss any games i think as the warez scene was so unbelieveable big.

[@6581punk]

Another thing is loading from tape was more a Europe thing too. I got a disc drive around 1986 but few of my friends had one. Couldn't get a 1541 as they were impossible to find.

[@Cole-ek7fh]

6581punk in the u.s. we used tapes to bootleg from other tapes.

[@6581punk]

Cole I imagine it was less common though? I had very few original disks but loads of original tapes.

[@willdarling1]

i got over the fake keyboard but "joystick latency" is too much

[@johnbailey5616]

Well said joysick .joke

[@buzzedo1]

Unforgivable

[@louistournas120]

I am going to buy one of these Commodore 64 and we'll see. However, I don't have HDMI.

[@sleekflash16]

I think the latency is reduced in the NTSC version. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@HyruleOrphan]

@@sleekflash16 it is, But it's Miniscule. He made a Re-Review of the American C64 mini and it states there.

[@runsame]

An AMIGA 500 Mini would be nice to have :)

[@Commander64]

as long as it doesnt have a mini external vga bit that snaps off really easy right? haha

[@scottbreon9448]

Same for a Mini Atari ST I wouldn't mind a miniaturized handheld version of the the Vectrex myself

[@Commander64]

@Scott Breon That would be cool, especialy if you had one of those monitors that can be turned 90 degrees for that portrait format the games come in.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Oh boy, let's hope that will be the next thing. An FPGA AMiga 500 Mini would be amazing! But it really has to have a good Competition Pro joystick as well. Not a cheap copy.

[@cosmo5179]

Yes!!!

[@Ojisan642]

Without a keyboard, they might as well have put all the hardware into the base of that giant joystick. 👎🏻

[@Squirmish89]

Ojisan642 It's just for aesthetic purposes. It would be more efficient to put it into the joystick, but it wouldn't have the same effect for people.

[@ColdestLivewire]

that would put to much wear and tear on the hdmi cable/port, bad idea

[@demit189]

"Without a cartridge slot, they might as well have put all of the hardware into the controller on the nes/snes mini!"

[@dennisneo1608]

Ojisan642 Pretty much

[@Cole-ek7fh]

Nuziburt correct!

[@electronash]

18:32 Even with "Game Mode" enabled, there can still be several frames of latency in the TV itself, depending on the model. Manufacturers are finally starting to add lower latency options to certain newer TVs, and obviously OLED TVs often have much lower latency. (but not always, of course. Some newer TVs can be just as terrible with latency than the older ones, if not worse. lol)

[@Millenia3D]

Input lag's a real bitch, it'd be nice to see some TVs made specifically with gaming in mind. That being said you could probably find a gaming monitor with negligible input lag that'd be perfect for retro gaming like this.

[@-Griffin]

Yeah, hdmi TV's are usually terrible for input lag. He should buy a nice 1ms monitor and a composite to DVI converter to replace that crate of a TV he has.

[@drey8]

2:55 the brown colour was the original colour, I had one. 6 months later my friend got one and it was grey, we both assumed this was a newer model. It might be a Europe/US thing, the brown ones just in Europe and the grey ones just in US.

[@siempreretro]

Yeah, I remember C64 was brown...

[@PrimeRibb69]

The coloring is actually closer to the original first run C-64s . The grayish beige one was a later model.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Exactly. Especially on the Breadbin versions that came with white keys and of course the ones that came in a case that looked more like a Amiga 500.

[@croepha]

in 2018 it takes 256MB to do what 1982 could do with 64KB, but with a lot more latency

[@catalinnic9356]

Assembly vs C (in a good case scenario) or python (worst case) you know who will win

[@AvatarOfBhaal]

It's due to emulation. Surprised people are surprised to be honest. It's not really reflective of anything beyond peoples desire to believe the good ol days were better, for better or worse.

[@tomharrison9280]

yeah its almost like it needs to be more advanced and use chips that have actually been in production some time in the last 30 years

[@Booruvcheek]

@@AvatarOfBhaal Emulation is doing in software things that should be done in hardware, hence the lag. Hardware clone would be a much nicer solution, or an FPGA, but also harder to develop and more expensive. 256 MB is probably the least RAM you can get these days, and even if you could get less it would hardly be cheaper, so why bother with less if you can have more, it never hurts.

[@aarongrech5884]

Good point, it's a computer running a public domain / open source emulator: VICE.... waste of resources but economical way to build a toy computer

[@mbcoll8154]

"so I wrote a program in assembly..." This is one committed reviewer. Bravo!

[@danman32]

6502 assembly is quite simple actually. I was able to code and decipher 6502 machine code for my Atari 800.

[@steelpatriot3683]

Did you really just refer to Armalyte as another “ space shooter game” ? It was probably the best achievement in gaming ever released on the C64. Some really nice games on this release.

[@wschippr1]

jack blaziner Why? I have little experience with the channel so I am curious as to this claim.

[@leokimvideo]

The fake keyborad is such a scam and will catch many unwary consumer. I was in a store yesterday and I saw a sales person trying to flog this toy and he said it was a scaled down C64. When in reality thats not the exact truth. This feels like it will disappoint so many people and thats sad. Crazy to see everyone jumping onto the retro gaming idea for a quick buck.

[@panzerfaustnl]

you can use an usb keyboard and usb drive for data

[@adrianmodeli5312]

anyone can throw a c-64 emulator on an arm soc with a bunch of disk images (retropie?). Gotta agree its pretty tacky to add a fake keyboard. If the keyboard actually worked and it had a de9 connector so it worked with old c-64 peripherals (mice, paddles, other joysticks) it could be definitely worth it

[@ZingOnMate]

Yo Leo! Is speedy thomas is still going down the growing channel track?

[@leokimvideo]

I'm pretty sure EVERYONE wants the same as the OG C64. It's old style keyboard is epic.

[@pizzadesign]

Being able to Mash that "RUN/STOP RESTORE" combo is mandatory functionality :P

[@psammiad]

You've never heard of Nodes of Yesod? Or Skool Daze?! Or Who Dares Wins?!! Or Boulder Dash?!!! These are all classics! I think Retro Games are a UK company and these are games that were popular in Britain and Europe, which is perhaps why you haven't heard of them. They're great games, give them a go.

[@AlistairBrugsch]

psammiad i came here to say exactly that. I recognise most of the games in that list and probably because during my C64 era i lived in both the USA and UK...

[@Pehmokettu]

I live in Finland and I recognised really many of these games. Netherworld was one of my favourite games when I was a child.

[@andrewness]

Skool Daze is an absolute classic, I played it, and the sequel Bak2Skool on the ZX Spectrum.

[@Psythik]

psammiad Or Chip's Challenge? One of the greatest games ever made!

[@stupossibleify]

It's the European version. Just like the C64DTV, the games bundle may adjust between the US and EU/UK version. I wasn't that excited about this product, but I'm even less impressed by David's knowledge and the style of this review. To spend the first 5 minutes bemoaning the lack of composite and failure to make use of an odd aspect ratio on an old LCD TV is a strange decision

[@FriedEgg101]

I would wager everybody will notice a 130ms input delay on fast arcade-style games.

[@boobio1]

Not just fast arcade style game but all games. This thig sucks.

[@mrcrono6663]

That would be life or death in Galaga. I tried playing F-Zero on a Rasp-Pi and the lag was about 230ms, that was atrocious as all hell.

[@CoinOpTV]

needs better games like Beachhead, Raid Over, etc

[@patmat.]

Should be a bit bigget with a real keyboard and cartridge port for our old games.

[@sosasees]

I personally think it's good that the modern Retro consoles have HDMI as their image output. For a long time, I haven't used anything except HDMI for Image output. It's convenient, because it's the most-used image output in this generation. Just like A/V and VGA used to be the convenient standards one generation before.

[@skeptorr]

The color is not off. I had one in the 80s with this color.

[@papershark]

It seems more on colour for the ones sold in the UK (that I had as a kid)

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

Which would be appropriate since it appears it's a European-market model.

[@BADC0FFEE]

looks off to me, I have an european c64 right now sitting next to me and it's not that brown, maybe older models were that way? most of the c64 breadbins I see around are grayish, not fully brown

[@skeptorr]

Mine was this brown and it was Euro

[@alexanderryan9456]

a lot of this review was frustrating, specially the TVs at the start.

[@2LucasKane3]

12:24 ".. and here is another one of the mini space shooter games" DUDE. That is Armalythe. It's one of the BEST space shooters i have ever played on the commodore. You, however, should play it on the real c64 with a friend. So much fun.

[@lordmikethegreat]

Again... European PAL release...

[@2LucasKane3]

+M D What?

[@lordmikethegreat]

8-bit guy wouldn't have known this game as it was a European PAL game, not an American NTSC game. Also it was released very late, well past the C64's prime in the USA.

[@2LucasKane3]

Ok. I thought PAL and NTSC were terms of the NES era. The game itself was released in english, so I thought it was an american game.

[@MetalJesusRocks]

It looks cool but they definitely need to allow you to put more than one game on it! Curious to see how it turns out when it releases in the US

[@PACKERMAN2077]

MetalJesusRocks you are going to need to do a video on the best retro emulator cases soon if this trend keeps up.

[@inflatedego9418]

MetalJesusRocks Holy crawackomoli it's metaljesusrocks! Can you do a review of a vuvuzela? Or maybe the top 5 vuvuzelas?

[@ShinSeikiEvan]

Agree. And they need to have a lot of spare flash memory so that people can put all their favorites onto it. (I can do this with my SNES Mini.) There are some essential games that aren't on there like The Last Ninja trilogy and Bruce Lee.

[@JoeQ2]

MetalJesusRocks oh hi metal Jesus, I like viewing your videos.

[@hanniffydinn6019]

Idiot you can. Pay attention !

[@KRAMFPV]

Your videos and channel makes me feel so happy. Thank you for being on KZbin 8 Bit Guy!

[@mukiex4413]

Fun fact: The A20 in this thing, in both GPU and CPU architecture, is the same as the R16 (also by Allwinner) in the NES and SNES Classic Mini systems! The big difference being that this one's a dual-core and those are both quad-core. Edit: Upon checking Uridium on that hardware, I think the latency is software-specific. Did the C64 emulator guys draft up their own emulator or license something like Vice? If the former, it might be something that needs to be fixed on their end.

[@ramrod126]

If only the keyboard was real..even if it used shitty laptop key switches this would be 1000 time better.

[@AmigaRob]

That is an exceptionally good selection of games. I thought I saw Creatures in that lot, probably one of the best coded games made on any platform ever.

[@redrumloa]

Until Sam's Journey last December.

[@KohanIkin]

Wow, I'd never heard of Sam's Journey before. A C64 game selling over 1000 copies in 2018? At 20 - 45 EUR a copy? That's amazing. (And the game looks stunning.)

[@Nemu64]

"If Commodore 64s could have babies, this is what they'd look like" Rule 34 artists: "Hold my beer"

[@arrellmagister1849]

I didn't truly believe rule 34 until I saw that 9/11 image where the plane fucks the towers

[@abelgaming2484]

Arrell Magister f*cked up tbh

[@RockyFoxxowo]

@@arrellmagister1849 yeah cause 80% of it is my little pony, dont ask im just assuming

[@Bacony_Cakes]

@@arrellmagister1849 **eagle flies into wind turbine**

[@tudbut]

Oh god

[@bartlomiejm0]

Need to retrobright this one too.

[@PoisonedAl]

No. Considering the games and colour, this was based on the european model which was an odd brown.

[@Hellwyck]

2nd edition breadbox machine. Grey Fkeys and brown chassis.

[@danielmantione]

It wasn't. C64's become brown over time, but their original colour is gray.

[@Hellwyck]

Original colour - 1st generation. the 2nd generation had a darker exterior, not brown but not grey.

[@scottbreon9448]

HellWyck I always referred to the second gen as coffee coloured. Kind of looks like coffee after you put cream in it

[@LMacNeill]

Very cool. You clearly received a device that is in the late beta-testing stage -- close to being ready for commercial production, but just not quite there yet. I think the future firmware updates will make it an excellent device -- hopefully they'll be able to figure out how to remove some of that latency you showed. That would be a *big* distraction to me... I'm very sensitive to latency like that. But overall, I'm impressed with this project -- I definitely hope it succeeds, and I will definitely have to consider buying one.

[@evilgremlin]

Yeah, any latency over ~30ms is just unplayable to me. And differnce between 10 and 15ms is really huge.

[@0xva]

But a frame is like 16ms...

[@greggster990]

My guess is that the latency is more from the tv being an old LCD more than the device.

[@chillzwinter]

Bought my C64 mini today. Like 4:38 I inserted my HDMI into my TV and it works perfectly. When I moved to my computer room and plugged it into my ASUS 24in monitor - nothing. Having seen this kind of problem before when using cheap HDMI cables, I inserted a more expensive HDMI cable into the monitor and now it works fine. So if you try a more expensive HDMI cable, that should fix your problem. Pity they include a cheapy in the box - would have been better to not include one and take off a few bucks. I don't know why some cheap HDMI cables are so problematic (they all look the same). Maybe there is a ground pin or something missing in the cheap cables that causes these incompatibility issues with some monitors. Also I am using a wireless keyboard which means I can stash the C64 mini behind the monitor and out of the way - which is nice.

[@NinjaKurosai]

I've been wondering if my monitor was broken but since I've been using the HDMI that came with my NES Classic, I'm second guessing this now.

[@MadFranko008]

The colour isn't "off" depending on where they where manufactured and which region they where sold in then the REAL C64 came in BOTH those colours you show in the video ( I have six real C64's, four of them are of the brownish tint of the Mini and two are the lighter colour of the real C64 you have there)... Twa's the same with the VIC 20, different colours depending where manufactured and where sold...

[@googleboughtmee]

Some of those games you hadn't heard of are pretty famous ones at least in UK

[@Pehmokettu]

Also in many other European countries! :)

[@lordchippers]

Here are the review scores for each game from seminal C64 magazine ZZAP!64. In summary; 39 scoring 90% or over and 22 scoring 80% to 89%! AlleyKat [Zzap!64 - 89%], Anarchy [Zzap!64 - 83%], Armalyte [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Avenger [Zzap!64 - 86%], Battle Valley [Zzap!64 - 91% (Sizzler)], Boulder Dash [Zzap!64 - 96% (I & II Reviewed)], Bounder [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], California Games [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Chip’s Challenge [Zzap!64 - 86%], Confuzion [Zzap!64 - 89% (Sizzler)], Cosmic Causeway: Trailblazer II [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Creatures [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], Cyberdyne Warrior [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Cybernoid II: The Revenge [Zzap!64 - 91% (Sizzler)], Cybernoid: The Fighting Machine [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Deflektor [Zzap!64 - 81%], Everyone’s A Wally [Zzap!64 - 82% (Sizzler)], Firelord [Zzap!64 - 68%], Gribbly’s Day Out [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Hawkeye [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], Heartland [Zzap!64 - 85%], Herobotix [Zzap!64 - 87%], Highway Encounter [Zzap!64 - 79%], Hunter's Moon [Zzap!64 - 92% (Sizzler)], Hysteria [Zzap!64 - 83%], Impossible Mission [Zzap!64 - 95% (Past Blaster)], Impossible Mission II [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], IO [Zzap!64 - 80%], Jumpman [pre Zzap!64 - 9/10 Lemon64], Mega Apocalypse [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Mission A.D [Zzap!64 - 80%], Monty Mole (I) [pre Zzap!64 - Crash 92% (A Crash Smash)], Monty on the Run (III) [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Nebulus [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Netherworld [Zzap!64 - 87%], Nobby the Aardvark [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], Nodes Of Yesod [Zzap!64 - 95% (Sizzler)], Paradroid [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Pitstop II [Zzap!64 - 89% (Sizzler)], Rana Rama [Zzap!64 - 87%], Robin Of The Wood [Zzap!64 - 92% (Sizzler)], Rubicon [Zzap!64 - 88%], Skate Crazy [Zzap!64 - 86%], Skool Daze [Zzap!64 - 78%], Snare [Zzap!64 - 88%], Speedball [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Speedball II: Brutal Deluxe [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Spindizzy [Zzap!64 - 98% (Gold Medal)], Star Paws [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Steel [Zzap!64 - 82%], Street Sports Baseball [Zzap!64 - 82%], Summer Games II [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Super Cycle [Zzap!64 - 95% (Sizzler)], Temple of Apshai Trilogy [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], The Arc Of Yesod [Zzap!64 - 91% (Sizzler)], Thing Bounces Back [Zzap!64 - 86%], Thing on a Spring [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Trailblazer [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Uchi Mata [Zzap!64 - 89%], Uridium [Zzap!64 - 94% (Sizzler)], Who Dares Wins II [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Winter Games [Zzap!64 - 94% (Sizzler)], World Games [Zzap!64 - 98% (Gold Medal)], Zynaps [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)].

[@slucchi723]

The guys that have worked on the machine have actually made a good selection of titles, only not many of them are famous like some others, in particular if someone isn't/wasn't really inside the C64 world.. even the David looks like doesn't know some pretty famous games like Hawkeye. There are obviously still a lot of great games that are missing (like Bruce Lee or the The Last Ninja trilogy) but some of the games are probably too expensive to get the license and others are so old that is impossible to find the actual owner (like said by David in the video). Also, we have to remember that the C64 have probably the largest line up of videogames (and by far -apart PC's-).

[@stevemoon2136]

You missed the Mic drop...

[@The77Game]

So how DOES it compare to the one released in 2004?

[@srtgrayfrance]

I was wondering that as well...

[@Andrew90046zero]

2:04 well, when a daddy c64 and a mommy c64 reaaaaly love each other....

[@SatoshiMatrix1]

I hope it sells well enough they'll make a full size one. This mini console is cute, but I'm not interested. I want a full size replica with a functional keyboard!

[@lordmikethegreat]

Coming in the fall, supposedly. I got my mini recently as a free add on for the delays to the production of the full sized one that I preordered awhile ago. That one looks very nice!

[@anuj68]

0.13s delay is over 7 frames at 60 fps.. that is massive

[@wschippr1]

anuj68 I wonder if he meant 13 milliseconds. That would only be one frame of lag, which isn't actually all that bad. The lag could also be caused by the TV. Some TVs have really bad lag.

[@Enverex]

You wouldn't notice 13 miliseconds on a joystick like that. I'm really sensitive to latency and find ~30ms very annoying, but 11ms unnoticeable. Sounds like he really did mean 130ms which is really bad.

[@unfa00]

I think 1 frame of latency wouldn't be noticable. I bet for 7 frames. The problem could also be with the HDMI to TV display - televisions are not meant for low latency operation - using a PC monitor display could help with that.

[@Enverex]

1 frame is only 16.6ms at 60fps so that's not too bad. 7 frames would be really, really bad though. I had a TV with a (tested) input latency of 51ms and it was unbearable. My newer one has 34ms of latency and it's still noticeable, but not quite as annoying.

[@Okurka.]

Those save slots are handy for people like Billy Mitchell.

[@anterax4097]

Okurka No, the tapes were switched! Honest.

[@liberatetutemeexinferis5902]

No, not Billy!

[@scunnerdarkly4929]

Sorry, don’t you mean Silly Bitchell?

[@grooom21]

Boulder Dash 😍😍😍😍😍 game of my childhood 😁

[@danhemming6624]

Elite was the most badass game of all time.

[@Simon0]

i like to sing raiders of the lost ark while playing boulder dash.

[@Deathtank75]

dig dug clone

[@DoNE021]

@@Deathtank75 i played Dig Dug alooot :) I got some flashback now.

[@David-xo8ci]

I love the footage of the thing being fabricated! It might be cool if you could do a factory tour.

[@RetroRecipes]

That's "Nodes of *Yesod" my friend. One of the best games released at the time 👍🕹️

[@rakrakrakrak]

Monty On the Run has a legendary soundtrack, it's worth playing for the music alone.

[@lordevyl8317]

I agree. Although, they also included Wanted Monty Mole, I would have preferred if they went with Auf Wedersehen Monty instead of Wanted Monty Mole, due to the fact that that game was a disappointment to me (when compared to the original Spectrum version)

[@j.vonhogen9650]

Thing on a Spring has even better music. Both soundtracks are of course composed by the legendary Rob Hubbard.

[@SteveGuidi]

"Creatures" and "Creatures 2" were some of the best games to be released on the C64. The programmers' (Rowlands brothers?) pinnacle work was the release of "Mayhem in Monsterland", a "Sonic the Hedgehog"-style game, which I believe to be the last great game for the C64. Mind you, I don't think these games were sold in North America. In Canada, we got them through "other" channels.

[@darklinggolem]

Next Donations: Hey Guys! I got an HDTV as a donation

[@TimmyJoePCTech]

What are you talking about you don't have a regular HDMI monitor. Like wtf. Can I send you one. I have like 5

[@jupoawp]

As far as I know he's against 16:9, that might be why he doesn't have anything HMDI. I think he did a video on why he prefers 4:3 a while back.

[@jupoawp]

Or at least it was a segment in a video lol

[@danksagrabowski2438]

I understand that. I'm not a fan of 16:9 too, it's just way too wide. 16:10 is okay, but 4:3 and 5:4 are the best!

[@forkwizard32]

I have a tv that would of worked :/

[@halcyondaystunes]

like5? so it isn't 5...just like 5. fkn language of kids these days

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

I've never seen 16:9 showing up with image crop on a 16:10 Monitor. This should not happen. There must have been some sub-menu hidden with more options because this looked like "Just Scan" was turned off and you got safezone crop or slight zoom so 16:9 would not have little bars on top and bottom of the 16:10 screen. Also, Noise Reduction should always be turned off. Don't leave it on low, just turn it off at once. Especially when the Input signal is digital anyway. There's nothing that needs to be filtered.

[@bubba99009]

Looked like the typical horrendous overscan to me - a lot of cheaper TVs have tons of overscan and don't allow you to turn it off cause it might cost 10 cents a unit more to offer an option. Really annoying. Which is why real consoles have to provide that functionality themselves. If every TV could be counted on to display the whole picture instead of a portion of it, it wouldn't be necessary.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

yeah, 10 percent doesn't sound much but it feels like you lost half of the picture size.

[@Siska0Robert]

Nebulus aka Tower Toppler aka Castelian (on NES) was awesome! Quite challenging, but definitely recommend to try on any platform. Also I was blow away by your lag-analysis! Great work.

[@TheCheat420]

I'm amazed at the lengths you had to go through to get an HDMI monitor.

[@wschippr1]

Matt Snyder lol me too, I have a monitor from way back (like 2008-9) and it has two hdmi. How long has it been since he bought a monitor? lol

[@CIubDuck]

You haven't heard of Chip's challenge? Damn, it was a classic on Windows 3.1 computers

[@theskipper0174]

I love the Chip's Challenge game.

[@bubba99009]

I didn't even realize it was on any platforms other than Windows. That game came out so long after I moved on to MS-DOS based systems. Great game.

[@Hayatory]

Most games are popular in EU and the colour is more common in EU than NA

[@Youtube_Globetrotter]

1987 I got a second hand C64 with a lot of games, nostalgia. Some of the games i loved: Indoorsport Bowling Boulder dash Giana Sisters Bubble Bobble Space Harrier Rampage International karate Yie ar Kung Fu Lazy Jones Panic Rygar Super Mario Bross

[@TastyBusiness]

Say it like "Temple of Ap-shy". Strong Bad taught me the pronunciation.

[@TheTurnipKing]

my hit points are, like, inexcusable in this dungeon, man.

[@ArcaneMirage]

Strong bad for the win! I did laugh at "ass pie" though.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

I'm really impressed with the bundled games. Spindizzy, Boulderdash, California Games, Summer Games 2, Paradroid, Uridium. Can't wait.. :) The colour of the new one is the same as mine as well. Brownish rather than grey. Seems we had very different C64 experiences 30 years ago.

[@Simon0]

SO many amazing games missed though! Bubble bobble, rainbow islands, last ninja series, dizzy games (the adventure ones), IK+, i know theres a lot more but i cant think of them at the moment!

[@SilveradoDudeDk]

This is a very cool device, but i hope they will do a mini Amiga 500!

[@tyrgoossens]

Isn't that an Amiga 600 then ? :)

[@j.vonhogen9650]

1:10 - Skool Daze was one of my favorite games. It's super funny and it was a unique game concept at the time. I remember the game was made entirely in machine code by just one man and his wife in their garage (literally!). They made a sequel too (Skool Daze 2, I believe was the title), at least for the ZX Spectrum. It had an additional school, the girls-only school, next to the boys-only school that you had to break in regularly to steal certain items from the girls while avoiding getting caught. Meanwhile, you had to show up in the right classroom at the right time for your lessons or get punished. You had the freedom to be a bully to anyone if you wished to do so, and you could irritate the teachers behind their back as much as you liked (if you managed to get away with it). Really great fun! By the way, Thing on a Spring had the best music of all C64 games ever, i.m.h.o. The soundtrack was (of course) composed by the legendary Rob Hubbard. He later orchestrated most of his famous C64 music for symphonic orchestra. Amazing quality by an exceptional composer & tech wizard!

[@trabant601e]

Skool daze sounds like a really complicated and fun game for the C64 at the time!

[@darktetsuya]

seems like a cool little unit! I never had any experience with the original so I don't know a lot about the games, but it would be fun to check out anyway.

[@pedrojuglar]

256MB RAM, it's like having 4096 original Commodore machines in one room. Not to mention the dual core CPU. Awesome review. I understand why there's no keyboard - the whole thing is really small. But without it I won't buy it.

[@lordmikethegreat]

Full sized version will be available in the fall, but it is much pricier.

[@pedrojuglar]

Good to know, thanks!

[@KuraIthys]

You've never heard of the highlighted (correction: I mean the greyed out ones) games!?! Huh. Guess there really is a huge contrast between the UK/European C64 scene and the american one. I've never even owned a 64 and still know a good chunk of those games...

[@dannyboy42223]

Them thinking of loading ROMs is nicer than a lot of vendors. Great video as always.

[@TheApeMachine]

I don't know, I guess I could forgive the USB and HDMI ports, which really look kind of strange on a C64, but a non-working keyboard and a manual without any programming information is just not what a C64 is all about for me. I learned to code on this machine, and I really don't see it as just a gaming device. Of course, that's different for other people...

[@rollcake]

Yes, a miniformat C64 with keys that no human could realistically touch to program stuff in ancient basic with no digital output... Sound like a winner

[@requited2568]

rollcake No, but a proper remake would be worth it and this unit is overpriced for what it is. They really should have just went straight for the full remake but I could be wrong and maybe people are willing to buy both

[@TheApeMachine]

Really I think this is for a very specific group of people, and there is nothing wrong with that I guess. Personally, I would buy this, I could type on a keyboard that small, probably still beats the ZX Spectrum Model 80, but the keys don't even work on this one. And I want it to boot just to basic so I can write little programs on it and feel nostalgic. Then maybe load some games up, but Mr. Robot not even in the built-in games, so on all accounts: no thanks.

[@McShave]

How can 8-bit guy not know of all those classics? Americans must have missed out on half of all C64 games released.

[@stevethepocket]

We absolutely did. Americans were mostly console gamers in the '80s, so most European-made Commodore and Atari computer games never got exported.

[@LaurenGlenn]

I used to own an Atari ST, STe, Falcon030 and I'm in the States. I got all of my stuff from Europe via Post.... read about most of it through STart magazine. Even had one of my programs published in there too. STOSFix. :) I still remember figuring out how to get to work on the Falcon030. I had my old ST w/ 1.04 and STe w/ 1.62 TOS and then the Falcon030 and comparing the results. Many good games in that magazine too.

[@twothreebravo]

We did, and that was mostly because we were almost exclusively using disk drives and UK/European users relied almost exclusively on cassettes. Being designed for cassettes UK games didn't have to worry about size limitation of disks (170kb) and porting a game to require interacting with multiple disks may not have been cost effective.

[@McShave]

Thank you, the disk drives were something I didn't realize were so common in the US. In the U.K I've never even seen one. That's a really good point.

[@danielmantione]

> Americans must have missed out on half of all C64 games released. It a shame but it is true: A lot of C64 games were PAL-only. The "underworld" of cracking groups often did a lot of "NTSC fixing" to make games accessible for NTSC users, so NTSC users might have played those games, but often there was no official way. So many Americans did indeed miss out on a lot of titles. On the other hand, the American games industry did make very few NTSC-only games. Almost everything ran on PAL.

[@paulp1204]

I'd be interested in hearing more about the sound aspect of these emulators. How is the sound compared with the SID devices?

[@Autotrope]

Oh man California Games was awesome back in the day. I played that one a lot. If you're gonna check one out that's my recommendation.

[@WidescreenJohn]

Wow! Is it me or did they greatly expand the games list since the first announcement? I originally remember seeing it with something like 20 games that really didn't thrill me, but you showed a lot of games that I pumped a bunch of hours into.

[@CricetoFunni]

“If Commodore 64s could have babies..” Science, make it happen.

[@chico305SIGMA]

They'll both need a tall glass of retrobrite to get them in the mood. Lol

[@CricetoFunni]

From the Soil DID I STUTTER

[@robertarnold9815]

The firmware update is available (see other videos on how to load); without its ability to load in additional games it is sort of lame. However, having said that I've really enjoy playing my old time favorites. Just google "the game you're looking for" C64 ROM and you should find sources. As far as a keyboard (which you'll need for many of these ROM images) I use a wireless 2.4g mini keyboard (Rii Tek model RT-MWK01+) and works great; in addition to alphanumeric it supports run/stop (esc key), function keys, etc. Note this model has Z and Y reversed on the keyboard; don't know why. I also plugged in a SNES usb pad and I use a usb hub so I don't have to plug/unplug things. The "lag" complaint in the emulator wasn't really a big deal with me since I'm less of eye/hand skill gamer; more leaning toward infocom (text) and strategy games. However the provided joystick is sort of iffy; as mentioned I'm using a SNES usb pad. A wireless 2.4g SNES pad will probably work too. I power in from the monitor's USB plug but any 1 amp cellphone brick should work. My monitor provides 1.5 amps so plenty of head room on current. Everything seems to be working fine. My plan is to move the board, hub, etc to a different case at some point. Will probably KZbin it when done.

[@StrayGuitarist]

QWERTZ is a common layout in Europe. Not so much in the US, though.

[@antsbull3370]

I'm getting into the C64 for the first time with this, we were a IBM-PC family when we were growing up, and I only got to play on friends C64s (and Amigas). Thanks for the review, the technical side of it was tremendous, and very useful. Can't wait to get my one setup and running shortly!

[@dunebasher1971]

I've never understood why so many North American flat panel TVs can't handle 50Hz video, given that the same models for markets outside the US handle both 50 and 60Hz as standard. OK, it could be argued that American users have much less reason to *want* to display 50Hz video, but it's not like it would add anything to the price to include it as a feature - surely the hardware is the same between US and non-US models by the same manufacturer, and 50Hz functionality is simply a matter of enabling firmware?

[@Dedubya-]

I guess until more recent times there was almost no need for a US tv to support 50Hz PAL video. Making a European TV display 60Hz NTSC, or a hybrid 'PAL 60' was relatively easy in a TV of the 1990's but for whatever reason the US equivalent TV never got it... even now I think many don't

[@HeyLaserLips]

It probably goes back to the days of the CRT when a PAL display was higher definition than NTSC, so for us to do the opposite was easy. Even my CRT tv from 1994 has NTSC 60hz compatibility (which I still use today for retro consoles). If you ever had a Dreamcast, you'll know most games gave the option to switch between PAL 50hz or a smoother 60hz, then after that most consoles were being made to run at 60hz also, and it just evolved from there. I guess the opposite was never needed in North America so to this day it's a rare feature.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

@ dunebasher1971: yeah man. It makes absoulutely NO freaking sense at all. Also that US Blu-ray players can't even play 25p / 50i Blu-rays >_> Seriously, this stinks like corruption and manipulation from the NTSC fascists who still think their standard was and still is the only one and the best, which it isn't. In Europe every player or camera can play / record all framerates and all standards. Crippling a TV set from doing that is outright retarded.

[@MurderMostFowl]

I think these days it’s actually done price control...to avoid people buying a TV in one region and shipping it to another. Plus certification, firmware changes etc all benefit from not making one TV that can do it all

[@SuperSmashDolls]

So I've got three monitors and here's what each of them can do: 1. AOC G2460PF - can run at 50hz just fine, as well as 60hz, 144hz, and a bunch of other framerates. In fact, it's also freesync, which means it doesn't care about incoming framerate or even if it's regularly sync'd. 2. Acer B286HK - can't do 50hz, but can do 23hz, 24hz, 29hz, 30hz, and 60hz. I suspect "29hz" is actually 29.975 because NTSC. 3. Samsung 2343BWX - won't accept anything other than 60hz at all. Strictly speaking, LCDs are actually a lot more flexible than their controllers suggest. You can refresh them at any framerate you want, and they don't necessarily require frames or even pixels to be sent at a regular rate. For example, Freesync monitors allow irregular frame pacing, and the Game Boy pauses drawing the screen to go fetch sprite pixels. None of that would ever fly with a raster CRT.

[@hayesmaker64]

I'm glad you don't do game reviews :P

[@louisferdinand3887]

hayesmaker LMAO

[@loktar00]

LOL exactly. He doesn't even recognize your avatar anyway ;)

[@SxSxG666]

haha true... it's not david's strength :)

[@hayesmaker64]

Go Fuck Yourself by playing them dipshit.

[@lordevyl8317]

hayesmaker ^^^^^nice strawman argument

[@willierants5880]

The lag sucks, but overall I think this product will be a hit. I don't recall hearing a price point, but hope it's in the $30 range. Can you program on it and save your work to USB (floppy)?

[@LightTheUnicorn]

That's actually a very good point, it'd be interesting to know if BASIC can write to the virtual disk as well as reading it. They seem to be up for pre-order here in the UK for £69.99 at the moment, which does seem pretty steep.

[@thesadken]

I think you can save from BASIC (pretty sure they've mentioned it a few times on their facebook page). Don't think the price is too bad, considering the joystick is a standard USB one you can use it on the PC too. Hopefully i'll get mine before the end of this week, I'll find out how good the joystick is and how bad the lag is.

[@requited2568]

GloomyJD If the keyboard was real and a bit bigger I would pay that much or a bit more but not a lot more and not for this version.

[@Boemel]

Its €100 here. For that money i got an entire C64 setup with 1541 drive and 1702 monitor.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

I think you can. This thing can load from USB storages so technically you should be able to load and save your spaghetti code programs on a connected USB stick. If this thing had an Audio output for a tape recorder it would be even better. Just save it on a tape and load it into a real C64 or create a TAP or T64 file from it.

[@andfinrodfell5024]

Thanks for the great video. I bought one because of this. These things are hard to come by in South Africa but managed to get my hands on it. Very happy so far.

[@HuntersMoon78]

It's got one of my favourite games on it from the Commodore 64 (Hunter's Moon) - which is why my user name is Hunter's Moon

[@JayFGrissom]

Wow... this took me back. Thanks for sharing this. Adding Zork, Ultima, Pool of Radiance, Mail Order Monsters, Battle Tech (Crescent Hawks Inception), and Bards Tail would make it perfect.

[@scottbreon9448]

Bard's TALE, not TAIL

[@hknulzesnulnegen]

And Paperboy! Is it possible to add extra games?

[@TheMailrouter]

The universe of people who don’t like Boulder Dash contains: you

[@nemysisretrogaming3771]

Just found your channel a few days ago and dining on some great nostalgia. Although I cannot believe you haven't seen Armalyte or Hawkeye. Although I lived in NZ so we didn't see all the games you were familiar with, but most of them lol.

[@realtrisk]

Hey David, any chance of an update on how this thing has progressed? Have they improved usability/features? Any difference in the lag?

[@DeanHerbertMooCow]

so glad to see you load MULE up! pity about the latency.

[@HeatM1ser2k9]

Do a review of Mail Order Monsters---one of my all-time favorite C64 games!!!!

[@Yuushiboy]

I stick to my original the old breadbox version that still works including the tape recorder. still love to bring back memories pressing play on tape, load error, adjusting tone head then on to it again until it works :P

[@dreammfyre]

That input lag probably has more to do with the TV you borrowed than anything else. Those slightly older/cheaper LCD TVs are notoriously bad when it comes to lag. Hell, even some of the more expensive sets released today suffers from that.

[@brookewestonctc]

But there's no way round this - if it worked with the HDMI - DVI cable and had a headphone jack, then it could be plugged into a monitor. It seems you're paying a premium for a less capable raspberry pi in a themed case.

[@rollcake]

or... you could have plugged it into a non-ancient monitor that didnt have to convert it between 50&60hz

[@Theexplorographer]

Lol, Only having an HDMI out is rarely thought of as "an issue" LOL.

[@TheTurnipKing]

In fairness, having the option is nice. One of the great things about the Pi, for example, is just being able to throw it at any old display have have it work.

[@Theexplorographer]

You know you are right. I have no idea why I even subscribed to this channel.

[@richardblack5710]

I liked your review but you never compared it against the 2004 Joystick except to say that the joystick doesn't have HDMI.

[@fisk0]

Yeah, got really surprised when I reached the end of the video and he never actually turned that thing on. The introduction implied that there would be some actual direct comparisons between the 2018, 2004 and original C64.

[@techdatamexico4530]

Was my Father's Day Gift from my son and wife... I love it.

[@MirkWoot]

"no HDMI.." .. i check date of video and 2018 :o .. oh my. :-P.

[@CJWarlock]

Cool video! :) However... How one could not know Creatures (1 and/or 2)?! It's one of the best C64 games in context of graphics, complexity and the pleasure of playing. :) I've made it to bring Clyde and his rescued fellows home on more than one occasion. :) On the other hand, I never had "Thing On A Spring" in my collection of games. From what I see it's a nice game and it's fun to play. Time to catch up with it. ;D

[@barrymurphy4812]

I agree Creatures was one of the best c64 games for graphics but he was right in saying it's as hard as nails and think back in the day I never got past the second torture area 😣

[@noblelies]

This is an American reviewing a UK exported version of this device. Americans grew up with different sets of games on the same C64.

[@MephProduction]

@noblelies you're talking rubbish, i'm British, still got my c64.. i only knew 3 or 6 games on theses mini. clearly not all Brits grew up with the same games!!!

[@PJBonoVox]

MephProduction Nowhere in his post did he claim that. He just said that there was a discrepancy between common games in the US and Europe. I'm a Brit and I've played most of these games, and heard of all of them bar a couple.

[@IvoryOasis]

You say having games you've never heard of is a bad thing....but it seems like they just opened up a new world of C64 games you never knew about :o Depends if the games are any good though I guess.

[@SagradaMascarita]

Those games are obscure for a reason.

[@bighands69]

There is no Turrican which was one of the greatest games on he system. It is like having a SNES mini but no Zelda or Street Fighter 2.

[@gipgap4]

Daniel Saldívar they’re not obscure if you’re from the U.K.

[@scunnerdarkly4929]

gipgap4 - I was just about to say if you’re a Brit of a certain age some of these games won’t be that obscure at all...

[@scunnerdarkly4929]

Jose Parcenary - I suspect it was simply the nature of the pre-internet world. For most of us our primary source of info was magazines, and as these were generally very regional we rarely got to hear about titles from further afield. It’s a good thing in it’s way as now we can discover all those obscure titles we never even knew about back in the day 😊

[@Noahide]

Excellent. There are some nice looking C64 new games in the last few years. I haven't played them properly since the mid 90s, but really probably time to start getting into Commodore gaming again. Probably because it just makes me happier.

[@smokebus3095]

Everyone has something with a HDMI now

[@SteveGuidi]

"The Great Gianna Sisters -- Cracked by Sodom" -- everyone's copy of this game through C64 history :)

[@lemming9984]

Sodomy, mmmnnn, yeah!

[@TheSwartz]

Thanks so much for this thorough review! *SUPER* helpful!

[@genobisceglia5629]

really good review, it's nice to see the board tear down along w some inside info on the chipsets and such

[@bit-ishbulldog2089]

Some one that seems to know loads about Commodore 64 and has never played most of these games on this unit is a bit strange.. Play Skool Daze... Nearly all the games on that Mini are brilliant C64 titles.

[@PoisonedAl]

Well the simple answer is "lol! America." Commodore had way more success in the EU than it did in the US. Although him complaining about the colour, shows he didn't do his homework.

[@bit-ishbulldog2089]

I did think why is he going on about the colour of the unit, looks fine to me... I have a C64C, in the 80's I had (My older brother) had a C16 then a C128.. Yes the Commodore systems were bigger hits in Europe even though Commodore is a American brand.. One of the reasons Europe never had the game crash of the 80's is us Brits and the rest of Europe loved the micro computers, Australians also loved the micro computers and they never had the game crash, Japan loved all sorts and never had the crash... America did..

[@lordevyl8317]

A lot of these games were ONLY released in Europe. You do realize that REGIONAL releases were a thing, even back then, right? I myself grew up in Canada, and I did have a lot of these games, as I had a friend who had a BBS, but not everyone was into disk swapping back then in North America to the extent they were in Europe. My only criticism of this system is the complete lack of RPGs, and nothing from Jeff Minter.

[@pyrotas]

Within 3 minutes into the video: you may consider yourself an experienced player - yet I've played (a lot) far more games than you claim to have played. Indeed, that list (although lacking many notable ones) is fairly comprehensive and sure there's plenty of pretty good titles. As for the color, I'm sorry but I've had one of the first C64s appearing here in Italy and the color was 100% the one of that "mini". I am nowhere interested into buying one of these "refaces" - just stating to counter a little bit the presumption which transpires from your review.

[@pyrotas]

Ed O'Neill not a matter of subscribers. I am Just saying that that list is not inusual. The color is faithfully reproduced. And the 8bg attitude is fairly presumptuous. One does not need being a youtuber to make some criticism if the latter is well grounded. My 2 cents here, and just 2 cents of mine. Nothing more than this.

[@tomwilson2112]

I think the 64's colors were all over the place. My 1984 C64 was definitely a bit brownish when we bought it, but I've seen others that are gray and even tan (the same color as the 128 or the C.) I think Commodore did a lot of experimenting with their plastics, changing things up over time.

[@drgusman]

I was very excited about this, nearly did a preorder, but after this review... I can't find any reason to buy it, having a RPi 3 for emulation makes this device useless at all. :( Maybe the full version (the one with the real keyboard which has been promised) does it better.

[@lilliputmoss]

I'm curious as to what you expected from it, they've never advertised it as anything other than what you get here.

[@c.james1]

I don't get any of the fuss with the NES/SNES/C64 mini's. I just use emulators on my computer, and for some like NES and N64 I bought a replica controller with USB connection to use with it. Does me just fine.

[@Colddirector]

geniwab There's actually a couple of c64 recreation projects going on right now, I think one is recreating the motherboard and you provide your own chips + case, and another is using FPGAs, but actually provides a keyboard and better mimics the experience of a real c64. Granted, both are way more expensive than even getting an origional c64.

[@drgusman]

Equalizing Distort well, at least some way to add more programs without being a pain, to play an external game you already need a keyboard, an usb stick and an usb hub... that's not a good solution at all, I was expecting something that eased the use, not make it even more complex. Also, the input lag... that's totally unexpected.

[@drgusman]

Be N S O N I would love to get an original c64, but I'm from Spain, the C64 wasn't that hit here, you can find loads of ZX Spectrum, Amstrad, even some MSX, but Commodore... really hard to find one.

[@onyourjackjones]

I love your channel and it’s addictive to watch. I’ve been binge watching. Also appreciate the fact you don’t have obtrusive mid video adverts. As an electrician the cables being slightly wonky on your wall behind you on the left side really triggers me! Ahahahahahah! Please pull them slightly straighter 😂