Replica Sound Cards - AdLib, Innovation SSI-2001, and SwinSID Ultimate.

[@K-o-R]

That SwinSID probably has more processing power than the entire C64. Emulating a physical chip in a not-quite-a-chip package is fascinating.

[@twistedyogert]

"Yo,I heard you like computers so I put a computer in your computer."

[@reabustos3393]

@@twistedyogert someone putting a graphics card on somebody's computer be like

[@authorlilhyz7121]

Mule Ghostbusters monty on the run

[@authorlilhyz7121]

Monty one the run looks fast NTSC

[@iantribunal7863]

Chopo moo cow

[@주창하-r6h]

It would be really nice if Planet X3 supports Innovation SSI card since it has 3 voices and it uses the same sound chip as the C64.

[@tyttuut]

Technical nerd correction at 7:25: the 78L09 is a 9V voltage regulator, not a transistor. I figure the jumper is connecting the pad for the regulator's input straight to the output. When you remove the jumper and put in the regulator, the 12V power is regulated down to 9V for the 8580. If you ever wanted to put an 8580 in there, that regulator can be obtained very cheaply.

[@zachk302]

Holy yes those LEDs

[@Booruvcheek]

Yeah.. too bad they stay hidden under C64 keyboard :(

[@technikfreak9859]

A c64 II with acrylic case would look amazing with the chip inside

[@Sheevlord]

@@Booruvcheek I'm almost a year late but by the looks of it there are pads for attaching external LEDs on the PCB. At 13:06 it's clearly visible. So if you want you can solder wires to these pads and put remote LEDs where you like.

[@Booruvcheek]

@@Sheevlord That's a nice feature right there. Sadly, I don't own a C64, nor have I ever seen one of those machines. I doubt there were many of them in the 80s in USSR during my childhood, in fact, owning a computer (any computer) was something I could only dream of. But anyway, thanks for pointing that out. Also, nice userpic :D Mr. Palpatine was perhaps the best part of the prequels.

[@Sheevlord]

@@Booruvcheek Yep. Then again, it's not surprising, since Ian McDiarmid who played him is a renowned actor with a long career.

[@mramir1238]

13:26 That seems like a legal copy of Ghostbusters to me.

[@soapy7261]

No its not, I have the original Ghostbusters disk and it does not look like that

[@butterh2]

@@soapy7261 do you hear the joke flying over your head like a hurricane-force gust?

[@MikeDest]

I think we need David to do a video about piracy in his youth. What was his handle? Not saying he was cracking and pirating or anything, but we all had a handle.

[@mikeworkman3593]

@@soapy7261 Do you sir experience sarcasm???? "And it was just like that, Brandon realized that there was sarcasm..... And memories of sarcasm flashed through his brain, and he realized why he lost all those girlfriends over the years...."

[@UN4YA]

@@soapy7261 r/woooosh

[@boozydaboozer]

Something probaly only headphone users noticed: the SwinSID chip on the replica board had some pseudo stereo emulation. I suspect this is an optinal feature and probably off by default on the real C64. Edit: I checked it on the creator's website and stereo is metioned.

[@artemik1986]

@Макс Крюков also has a stereo version of SSI-2001. In it, the 6581 and 8580 work synchronously, for the left and right channels respectively (DuoSID). vk.com/music?z=audio_playlist-94485973_76874835

[@fagear]

Thank you for the video, The 8-Bit Guy! 09:01 - definitely much better music on C64 version. The marketing problem of the Innovation that you've mentioned may well be the source of the problem. SSI-2001 support, even when it was added, was very basic, SID chip was treated more like 3-voice Tandy chip with another waveforms... Not nearly unleashing the full potential of the SID. As a result the sound was pretty "meh" compared to Adlib or other cards. No contest to the same SID in the C64. 11:33 - I didn't try SwinSID of any version in my cards and I don't know about its ability to work on different clocks... Probably it only can emulate 0.95 MHz (C64 PAL) and 1.023 MHz (C64 NTSC). But SSI-2001 runs the SID on 0.895 MHz. Probably SwinSID tries to detect the input frequency, rounds it to one of the C64's and can not produce sound in tact with actual clock (0.895 MHz), also sounding a little off in tone. And for real SID it is not a problem at all, it will run at any clock provided. Also, you can switch a jumper on the SSI-2001 replica to make the SID run at 1.023 MHz (C64 NTSC) clock. In "officially supported" games tone will be off, but with osp2001 *.SID player it will run exactly as C64 (NTSC version).

[@danielmantione]

I would also attribute this to composer skills. IBM PC composers generally did think in terms of musical instruments that a sound card should simulate and musical notes that you can play on it. Hence it is no surprise that MIDI did play an important role in PC music. That approach completely fails with a SID, because it doesn't resemeble real instruments at all. In order to unleash the SID, you need to look within a musical note and turn several knobs of the analog synthesizer (such as filter frequency and pluse width) in orde to make sound more lively and dynamic. Also the high accurate frequency control (16 bit versus 12 bit for Adlib) does allow effects that are impossible with Adlib, but you only notice that when you are after those effects rather than just wanting to play some notes. C64 composers did look deeper, because the SID forced them to do so. Music for the SSI-2001 was likely an afterthough and so the PC composers did not want to spend too much energy on getting the best out of that weird Commodore sound chip.

[@fagear]

Daniël Mantione at first glance yes, that can justify "lazyness" of PC music composers. But heart of the AdLib card - Yamaha OPL2 FM-synth chip - is more or less the same story. It is a tone generator with a bunch of "knobs". But OPL2 had more voices and waveforms. Even if composers were too lazy, why not just port exact same melody from C64 version of the game, the SID is the same and it can be addressed the same way as on C64.

[@evknucklehead]

Getting music between platforms wasn't nearly as easy as it is today, since they usually only had 5.25" floppies to work with and each platform usually had its own floppy standard that was incompatible with the other platforms. It wasn't until after 3.5" floppies became the norm that FAT became available on multiple platforms, enabling easy file transfer between them. It would have been much easier for them to convert existing PC versions of the music to the Innovation version than transcribing the code from the C64 version by hand.

[@danielmantione]

Certainly true, but the "file exchange on floppy" problem was the easiest to solve: The Commodore 1571 can, with the right software, read and write PC floppies. A far worse problem would have been that any C64 music was written in 6502 machine code and would have to be completely rewritten for the x86 CPU of the PC, even though the sound chip was exactly the same.

[@fagear]

I think for authors of the game at a time transferring their source code or any other parts (such as music) between platforms was not an issue.

[@rtv190]

I saw that cracked copy of Ghostbusters!

[@poble]

GHURSBUSTURS

[@authorlilhyz7121]

@@poble Ghostbusters

[@philscomputerlab]

That was great, I love hearing old Sound Cards :) It amazes me what some people manage to build in their spare time, we now have excellent ISA as well es parallel port sound cards and wave table boards. There is stuff for collectors, but also cheap sound cards with OPL3 chips, so a bit for everyone!

[@soccerteas]

Hi Phil! I love seeing my favorite KZbinrs checking out each other's videos!

[@bleuge1203]

Phil, i was already going to comment here, check PhilsComputerLab channel for the best old hardware reviews and comparisons, but you commented first. haha, man thanks for your channel, i see all your videos

[@Kapin05]

A 'bit' for everyone? Pun intended, or happy accident?

[@philscomputerlab]

Kra Z Kapin :D

[@CyricFTW]

I was hundred percent sure I would see your comment here =]]

[@yvan2563]

The Innovation SSI-2001. It's the near-impossible-to-find sound card, the holy grail of sound card collectors.

[@1337Shockwav3]

There's at least 2 in the wild ;) One owned by me, the other by another VOGONS user, with a third card being "lost" track of a few years ago, which actually led to me starting the replica project.

[@lepidotos]

And even these remakes seem impossible to find or buy, at least here in the States...

[@DaiAtlus79]

13:00 - omg Dave, that gave me an idea - put pin headers there, and then mount LEDs to the case, and connect them to the headers. That'd be a cute lil addition to a Commodore64

[@NeilRoy]

Agreed! I loved the look of those LEDs, they would look great on the case itself.

[@theholyduck90]

I mean Clearly thats why there are pin headers there. but it would look pretty swanky

[@DaiAtlus79]

there are holes, but it seems to come unpopulated, so he would need to add the header pins.

[@stevenclark2188]

Red yellow and blue of the color bars?

[@DaiAtlus79]

^THAT would be a thing of beauty - a Commodore 64 Logo Plate with inbuilt LEDS and plexi lightpiping that acts as an accessory to the SID clone!

[@emmettturner9452]

“At the moment, I don’t [have a Microsoft Mouse]” Prepare yourself for the deluge of people offering you a Microsoft Mouse! ;)

[@ΑΡΗΣΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ]

Emmett Turner I have an optical USB one, but I'm not shipping it...

[@ΑΡΗΣΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ]

Dušan Xmetov is that the alternative name for the PS/2?

[@emmettturner9452]

ΑΡΗΣ ΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ RS-232 is a serial port. AT and Baby AT systems primarily used a serial port mouse. IBM Personal System/2 added their own semi-proprietary mini-DIN connectors for mouse and keyboard, hence, “PS/2.” The original Microsoft Mouse was serial but they revised it. Just like early USB mouses had a PS/2 adapter or late PS/2 mouses has a USB adapter, early PS/2 mouses has a serial adapter and later serial mouses had a PS/2 adapter. I recall some of my Microsoft Mouses requiring me to send off for the adapter, free by mail.

[@RAMChYLD]

Well, I have a old serial Microsoft Mouse that I don’t use anymore...

[@emmettturner9452]

RAMChYLD I might’ve been wrong so send him a message. :)

[@erikhansen4346]

You know its the future when its easier to have a tiny computer (likely much more powerful than the c64) emulate a chip in software rather than to recreate the hardware.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Actually FPGA would be much better because it is not emulation at all and there for more accurate.

[@johnfrancisdoe1563]

KRAFTWERK2K6 Except an FPGA (or CPLD) doesn't do the analog stuff. A microcontroller/DSP can calculate the result and feed it to a DAC.

[@elmariachi5133]

Actually from what I have seen in this video, there's a Xilinx chip on that SID-Board, meaning that it is an FPGA an no software emulation.

[@wooferjr169]

In the near future we can simply download hardware as software. We are going to be able to download more RAM as much as we need.

[@tetsujin_144]

Just the other day I was reading about a project to allow using a Raspberry Pi to emulate a 1541 disk drive...

[@JamieBainbridge]

Oh my god. I've been plugging those CF-to-IDE adaptors into IDE cables. It didn't occur to me you could plug them straight into the motherboard. What an idiot I am.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

there are models that allow to put directly and others that need a cable.

[@AlejandroFerrariMc]

This made me laugh more than it should've had!

[@georgemaragos2378]

There are 2 different type, it all depends on the base of the card whether it is a pin end or a socket end ( male or female )

[@KanawhaCountyWX]

Jamie I made the same mistake, so don't worry. Now, I won't have a flash card dangling out of the case on my Gateway PC.

[@pwnmeisterage]

I usually plug into cables. Unless troubleshooting or doing some kind of permanent install (or just running out of cables). Less wear on the motherboard.

[@JoSephGD]

The emulating SID chip decreases the pitch by a bit, making Ultima VI sound more like the AdLib version.

[@demonic4774]

when he said the SID can't be made any more I thought why so I looked it up the SID is insane for a single chip. Properties of the SID 3 tone generators (voices), frequency 0-4 kHz (16 Bit decomposition) 4 forms of waves (sawtooth, triangle, rectangle pulse width modulation, (white) noise /rush) 3 amplitude modulator, until 48 dB 3 envelope generators Synchronization of the oscillators Ring modulation Programmable filters (low pass, bandpass, high pass) Master volume in 16 steps 2 A/D-converter (8 bit, low frequency, used for reading paddle input) Random generator Audio input (cannot be used for sampling, but the signal can be routed through the SID filter) it's not that they can't they don't want to try

[@GreenNekoProductions]

5:37 "$69, making this a very attractive deal." :^)

[@KanawhaCountyWX]

mmm... I see.

[@fep_ptcp883]

Toadlover404 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@deus_ex_machina_]

Emulated Excitement Love your username.

[@thechosenone8808]

NUT

[@rzna.]

😏

[@AscendedBeyond]

I'm sick but this 8-bit guy video really improved my day.

[@wolvenar]

Wow. I did not realize these two cards were fetching so much. I have several of both. Sounds like I need to start slowly selling these off.

[@gigoman-hu5hm]

if you do indeed have several of both go for it but be careful I tried to sell a Covox speech thing once and almost got screwed over jerk never had the intention of paying but hilariously his girlfriend told me about his intentions and saved me a lot of trouble unfortunately the prick started abusing her fortunately one of the neighbors heard and called the police it was one of the craziest moments of my entire life.

[@matthewpiper4328]

r/thathappened

[@maxxdblade]

How could anybody lie that randomly, I think this strangely has a chance of being true.

[@matthewpiper4328]

Maybe, but ill let reddit decide :P

[@gigoman-hu5hm]

maxxdblade it really did happen whether you choose to believe me is up to you.

[@BensonLicious]

That Chime sound is so charming, i'm surprised that type of idea was never implemented in any other sound chips back in the day to differentiate themselves from their competitor. Something like "Only TRUE AdLibs will tell you on startup" would be a killer selling point from a marketing point of view.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

that chime reminds me of the mac computer one.

[@vwestlife]

The Apple IIGS makes a similar-sounding chime when you turn it on or reset it.

[@dlarge6502]

Acorn computers such as the BBC micro and Archimedes machines make a soft beep on startup too. Its used as a type of POST signal to let you know its working. Of course PC's always make that beep too (not a nice sounding one like this) so I think the C64 is better off with this beep. Its like a little "hello" when you switch it on.

[@sikkepossu]

Macs still make that very annoying sound. >:(

[@evknucklehead]

Interestingly enough, for a long time, you could actually tell what series a Mac was from based on the sound of its startup chime. They basically recreated the chime each time a new major version of the ROM was made, up until Steve Jobs returned and made sure every mac from the original iMac onward used the exact same sound.

[@Jerkwad152]

Crap, Ad-Lib cards are expensive! o_o I think I'll just hang on to my Sound Blaster 16.

[@CoTeCiOtm]

@Lassi Kinnunen Well... not quite. You see, the chip on the AdLib is the Yamaha YM3812, a.k.a OPL2, and there are no SB16s with an OPL2 chip. The one in *some* SB16s is the YMF262, or OPL3. Even though the OPL3 is backwards compatible with the OPL2, they're not exactly the same. Also, some SB16s had a Yamaha YMF289, or OPL3-L, that is a smaller variant of the OPL3 that runs at a different clock rate and has slightly lower pitch compared to the original OPL3 and even worse, some SB16s don't even have an OPL chip and the whole FM synth thing is emulated, and not very well, through something called CQM synthesis. I have tried at least one of each chip and while you can't really tell any difference between the YM3812 and the YMF262 in AdLib-written music, you can tell there's a slight difference in pitch in the OPL3-L and you can definitely tell something's not right with CQM synthesis.

[@root42]

Glad to see my AdLib replica being put to good use so soon. :) My own copy is still nicely chugging along in my 286. It was relatively easy to build. The guy who made the design really did a good job.

[@KiKo-y1s]

scams scam scammers AdLib yamaha sound opl midi

[@elmosexwhistle]

I find it so funny that different communities assign a wildly different monetary value to things. The Ad Lib is a great example. - As a vintage computer nerd, I kinda get why certain old things are expensive. Nostalgia, wanting to relive experiences, etc. - As a synthesist, I’m shocked how expensive Ad Libs are. I really like and can program FM synthesis (most of the synth community HATE it) and thus simple 2OP synths are worthless, or at least “feel” worthless within that world. The little PSS 570 being a very cheap example. Anyone here tried a Yamaha SY77? Very tricky to master (6 operator + PCM) but rewarding to explore!

[@oorangejuce]

russian microchips..how cool..

[@Name_cannot_be_blank]

the innovation sold for $69 "A very attractive deal"

[@vk-com-mig25]

Microchips made in the USSR, Belarus and Russia in the video with an the 8-bit guy, it's very nice) In a SSI replica.

[@emmettturner9452]

Woah! As soon as I list my second SwinSID Ultimate on eBay I open KZbin and find you talking about it! Upload seems to have been 15 minutes earlier, while I was still writing my description. Crazy! I planned a dual SID setup with this after frying my 6581 a year ago but it took so long to get one that I figured it was a waste to deprive someone else, especially after someone else in the SSU FB group got two a few days before me and did the same thing.

[@lepidotos]

That's pretty much my whole problem with hardware/video game collecting in a nutshell.

[@happyangels5180]

То чувство когда видосы бачило выходят чаще на других каналах чем у него)

[@rzeka]

thanks for the info everybody

[@MK-of7qw]

It actually would be easy to clone a SID chip but it would not be economical. Therefore the SwinSID exists because it emulates it with parts readily available.

[@JamieBainbridge]

The original factory is gone. Even if you went to the huge expense of reverse engineering the chip and made some, it would not have the same analog properties of the original chip so would be "close" but never be "the same".

[@Psychlist1972]

No chip fab does work at that rather chunky scale. The SID is a hybrid analog/digital chip and is highly dependent on the manufacturing process used at the time. Factories have moved on.

[@jackl7731]

You would need to find a fab that would manufacture the chip before that and reverse engineer the die then you manufacture the chip the is very expensive.

[@AmyraCarter]

The dated tech has basically been lost. Sure, one could use parts and remake the chip, but it wouldn't sound the same, nor behave the same. Kinda sad, but you know, that's how it is....

[@Vericht]

On one of the close looks, I've just realized that almost all of the microchips on the Innovation card are Russian chips. That's very interesting.

[@Booruvcheek]

Oh yes, К155ТМ2 ( www.microshemca.ru/TM2/ ), КМ155ИЕ6 ( www.microshemca.ru/IE6/ ) К555ЛН1 and the venerable and ever so popular К155ЛА3 ( www.microshemca.ru/LA3/ )

[@fenrirwolfy1848]

Maybe because the guy who made this card (Serge), is Russian, from Moscow.

[@Ryan-gq2gy]

In Russia, you don't clone sound card. Sound card clones you

[@xDissident]

@@fenrirwolfy1848 this card was made by Maxim Krukov, not Serge.

[@SuperJet_Spade]

Great video like always Mr. 8-Bit Guy! Nice to look at these replica soundcards.

[@theSoundCarddatabase]

My kind of video, very well made! Somehow my heart knew Ultima VI would be there as a demo for both cards :) Huge shoutout to : shock__, Fagear, borisfox, CodeKiller (and others I forget), for making the Innovation replica possible.

[@1337Shockwav3]

Acknowledged :) - shock__

[@dantheman1998]

Imagine hardware that was top of the line in the 80's is now someones hobby project...

[@lepidotos]

in 20 years, we'll see people cloning iBooks in their garages

[@DmitriyDarkJoney]

Russian guy Fagear at KZbin has developed the replica of Innovation. He has a few videos about it, and you didn't mention him.

[@EpicLPer]

16 Minutes of 8Bit Guy goodness, amazing :D

[@AB-Prince]

EpicLPer kawaii desu!!!

[@garrettk.2257]

Succ

[@odinn0769]

Wait how is this comment from 5 hours ago when the video was uploaded 6 minutes ago

[@Kyle-un3ei]

EpicLPer I was thinking the same thing

[@garrettk.2257]

KZbin Administration don't question it

[@virtualjd6824]

At 7:31, to run the 8580 you replace the jumper with a 78L09, which is a 9 volt low power 3 terminal regulator. I assume the 8581 runs at 12 volts, hence the jumper or “short”.

[@cissa95]

Why cant anyone make sid chips anymore?

[@theLuigiFan0007Productions]

Likely nobody can get the masks used for manufacturing the ICs. You could reproduce one using reverse engineering, but it would be hard.

[@darkwinter6028]

Also, there’s chip fab process issues - even if you have the original artwork for the masks; modern chip fabs will produce chips with different analog characteristics than the original 1970’s MOSTEK chip fab did...

[@bredmond812]

I wanted to know too. i looked in the comments section to see if somebody else asked. i am making this dumb comment so I can get notified of other answers.

[@electronash]

cissa95 There are already several FPGA SID clones, and some use external analog parts to simulate the original filters more faithfully. But, to my ears, even with the digital filters, it sounds awesome. It's especially great in "fake stereo" mode on headphones, where each of the three channels is panned slightly left or right. The thing is, the original SID chips could sound noticeably different from each other, even from the same revision or batch. And then there are quite a few different revisions of both the 6581 and 8580 which all sound different. This obviously tends to make C64 fans say "Well, it doesn't sound quite like MY SID chips...". Of course it doesn't. :p Most of them have all been characterized for their frequency / distortion / filter response etc., and there IS such a thing as "the average SID chip". (for both the 6581 and 8580.) Sure, the FPGA core versions might sound a bit too clean compared to the average original SID, but there are lots of options for tweaking the resolution, the filters, choice of DAC etc. ;) Sound of the SID replacements like SwinSID are very good, too, but may still have a few incompatibilities with a handful of games / demos.

[@AttilaAsztalos]

Legends say that having found no apprentice worthy of his standards of excellence to train, the Last Sidmaker took the secrets of his craft to his grave; and thus Sidmaking came to a tragic end amidst much ululation and despair...

[@5476Himself]

7:03 You can see the cut in the shielding where he installed the dual SID chip device.

[@Goldenknight01]

About to head to bed, buuuuuuuuuuuut Now I can't for 16 minutes longer.

[@_-_-_-_-_-_-_-__-]

Goldenknight01 same dude I'm so tired

[@alextirrellRI]

I love how there's always seemingly more to learn about obscure PC sound cards! Very glad to know about the AdLib reproduction.

[@kuroineko256]

its been like 16 seconds and theres already 300 views

[@gwishart]

Probably David's patrons - I believe they get early access to the videos.

[@allan.n.7227]

I disgree on this one.. the adlib sounds great, but I love the sid sound of the innovation so much What a great lost opportunity Great video, Dave..

[@FinalManaTrigger]

The original Adlib is fantastic. I prefer many games' Adlib music over Sound Blaster. Doom and Dune II come to mind. So good!

[@oneirophon8912]

I just started playing Doom with Ad Lib music for the first time, and I must say, I'm liking it way better!

[@fifaworldcup1994]

@@oneirophon8912 Even though it sounds EXACTLY the same...

[@oneirophon8912]

@@fifaworldcup1994 I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Ad Lib version sounds completely different from the Sound Blaster version.

[@Lachlant1984]

When you were testing the Innovation sound card I could hear a difference when you used the real SID chip versus the SwinSID chip. The music on the real SID chip in the Innovation card was maybe a semitone higher than it was with the SwinSID chip. I actually liked the music at that pitch to be honest with you.

[@compzac]

Yes but in the c64 they were identical... and since the innovation was doing that weird percussion glitch with the swin sid, my guess was that it was another fault of the compatibility and not the swin sid, i bought a swin sid for my 64 and it sounds wonderful, which is good, but really its a good thing only because when i bought my 64 all the chips worked aside from the SID it barely worked at first and died not long after getting the machine, with those old chips being expensive the swin sid saved my machine... literally i was going to turn it into a parts machine for a broken c64 with a prettier case.

[@BachiloDmitry]

Макс молодец!

[@imequals]

Тот момент, когда одновременно и удивлён, и не удивлён комментарию)) Здравствуйте, Дима) Ну и раз уж тред есть, то, дабы не множить, подпишусь - Макс большой молодец!

[@АндрійФранжі]

Дмитрий Бачило, Маэстро Fagear риспект 👍

[@VCD-Channel]

Вы оба молодцы!

[@directorys]

О Боги транзисторных долин, я поклоняюсь вам за столь прекрасный рассвет!

[@mahmahmahmuh]

Less vodka, more english.

[@RetroPCUser]

The SwinSID Ultimate sounds and looks amazing, especially the chip is compatible with all versions of the C64 (correct?).

[@moth.monster]

That swinsid chime makes me feel happy inside

[@WhatWereYouWatching]

So calming.

[@akwardturtleee]

Planet X3 has to support these sound card replicas really!!!!!

[@ΑΡΗΣΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ]

akwardturtleee but who is going to flaten his arse to write music?

[@TsutsuYumeGunnm]

лойс за к155

[@serhio4275]

Только после твоего замечания заметил что там затесалась ЛАшка. Держи лойс, заслужил за внимательность

[@bazjo]

7:33 more like a Voltage Regulator which generates 9v out of the 12v Rail. Not every TO-92 device is a Transistor, it can be misleading at times

[@DjResR]

10:57 soviet chips._

[@Sheevlord]

That's because the replica is made by a guy from Russia, Макс Крюков. He has a KZbin channel. One of the videos is about this replica sound card.

[@memmoman]

soyuz nerushimy

[@shogunkub]

@@Sheevlord More to say, now Innovation SSI-2001 has MIDI drivers and should work with a great amount of games: www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=39270

[@benharyo]

SID chip sounds so warm.. Oh Analog, how I miss thee

[@bormisha]

3:39 - lots of Soviet-made TTL/LS TTL logic chips!

[@LegoWormNoah101]

M.U.LE doesn't sound right on the SwinSID. Is it in 8580 mode? Because I think the 6581 pitch is 1 half step higher. Monty on the run sounds better with the 6581 than the 8580.

[@gmcnewlook]

Ghostbusters..........😉😂 (any body who watches avgn will get my comment)

[@nekokonekosama]

I'm *always* reminded of that video whenever I hear that little sample (even if the C64 version is different from the NES version that he reviewed) 🤣

[@Horzuhammer]

9:12 The C64-version of Bad Blood actually *does* have background music; it's just set off by default, and you have to turn it on in the options. You'd think this would shut off the sound effects like in many other games, but it doesn't! No idea why they chose to do it that way. Maybe the effects lose some complexity if you turn the music on or something, idk.

[@billmyke746]

Date code on 3812 is 2013. Major clue there.

[@MatroxMillennium]

FWIW, the 78L09 specified on the silkscreen is a 9V voltage regulator, not a transistor. :)

[@crazystick]

Макс красава

[@Wflash00]

That SwinSid was pitched down. I like it because it was trying to match PAL systems, but it should be an option that can be disabled. Is it? I'm surprised you didn't touch on that at all, 8-Bit Guy, and you play piano!

[@shabmaster7128]

Yay! Battletech!

[@scout2369]

Q: Board Game or Video Game BattleTech?

[@shabmaster7128]

Scouttrooper39 CRB-27B both, but I specifically love Crescent Hawks Revenge because it birthed MechCommander

[@scout2369]

Cool! Always nice to meet another battletech universe lover!

[@HansDaFuss]

Hey there, I am new to this channel and I wonder if it is possible to donate hardware. I bought a c64 summer games joystick from a colleague and I would enjoy seeing you testing it. Greetings from Germany

[@hanswurst3811]

SID n a PC !!!!?!?!?!?!? AWESOME !

[@BluesM18A1]

Great vid, but you forgot to mention one MAJOR weakness of the SwinSID. The SwinSID cannot do the analog paddle input functions like the original. Also what appears to be wrong with the SwinSID that you almost figured out is that it apparently is slightly lower-pitched like PAL, even on NTSC hardware, but will run at the same tempo as NTSC or PAL depending on the machine.

[@MartellThaCool]

Excited to watch some 8-bit guy

[@QuaaludeCharlie]

Stop Scraping fingers and People would not have to clone as Many , I am Happy these cards are cloned , How else is Little Johnny born in 2050 Supposed to get a Sound Card in 2062 when He takes up the task of becoming a Computer Collector and Curator ? Stop Scraping Computers , Sell the Working Parts , They are Worth 100 Times More than the Gold ! :[ QC

[@Leonidische]

Хех, долго же Макс ждал)

[@Chester200100]

"I hope you enjoyed seeing these replica sound cards" Surely you meant to say "hearing these cards" right?

[@titanium_rocket1505]

10:03 that’s the PAL Version if I’m not mistaken

[@CyberliteGS]

Most people when the computer breaks say "TIME TO GET THE SLEDGE HAMMER!" but the 8Bit Guy says "This looks pretty simple"

[@amyshaw893]

swinsid likes my left ear a lot

[@Lachlant1984]

I did notice a different between the Innovation replica sound card and the SWIN SID card when playing Ultima. Firstly, the pitch of the music with the SWIN SID chip was slightly lower, and also I could hear the sound shifting from left to right a bit, (I'm wearing headphones).

[@venyafox6691]

Знакомые все микросхемы :)

[@benharyo]

Finally, a clone of the SID chip. Maybe in near future somebody will stick 3 of those in an 61 octaves keyboard to make a 9 voices SID Chip Synthesizer

[@financialzero5684]

my tv has this weird thing, if the screen is blank... it looks like "Space War!".

[@xboys_archive]

HyperSlime YT completely wrong and how do you know it was burn in

[@AmyraCarter]

White Noise, lolz

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

If you could find a way to connect those LED’s to a spot on the C64’s case so you can see them light up with the machine closed, that would just be amazing. It would be like having one of those stereo amps with those little screens with bars that jump up and down with each sound track being played.

[@mtoad]

2:03 bonk.

[@wrestletube1]

Its amazing just to hear a SID run on a PC in 3 channel stereo with central mono. The true sound of a single SID chip. Shame it didn't get more games and didn't get the master composers of the SID chip making music for the card. It's definitely more to do with the lack of good talent unlike the real C64 and lack of games for it rather than the PC sound card when it comes to the SID one.

[@matthijsjanse3275]

did you notice monty on the run was like an octave lower on the simulated sid?

[@sjdpfisvrj]

matthijs janse was that an octave? Sounded like a few steps down to me. I am wondering whether this another NTSC vs PAL thing, where the chip was running at the wrong speed.

[@AmyraCarter]

It was off by four steps and a flat. An octave is eight steps, or seven and a sharp/flat for major/minor scale. David's PAL theory sounds like the most accurate diagnosis.

[@lister_of_smeg6545]

The SID player doesn't know is whether the SSI card is using a real SID or a SwinSID, so there shouldn't be any difference regardless of PAL/NTSC. Also, neither the real SID nor the SwinSID have any idea whether they are PAL or NTSC either - they should just run off the clock that's fed to them. My guess is that the SwinSID is expecting one of the C64 clocks (~1.023 MHz NTSC, ~0.985 MHz PAL) and doesn't like the clock which the SSI card is sending it (~0.895 MHz).

[@5mf1nc]

No, the SSU has it's own clock, but does not detect the external one. you have to manually set if you using PAL or NTSC pitch. Also there is a "fun fact" about the SSI: it runs on a different clock than any C64, depending on the board it may have jumper to set different clocks, but the SSU only capable of handling true C64 PAL or NTSC clocks as of now.

[@AttilaAsztalos]

Noticed that immediately - "what do you mean some of the percussion track is missing, this is not even the same tone!"

[@elphive42]

The SwinSID had some weird behavior on the PC, with audio only coming through one speaker on the Innovation card.

[@TheCandoRailfan]

So you're telling me you don't have much in the way of "IBM Compatibles", or any PS2 mouses. Wow.

[@nekokonekosama]

I think it's mostly a space issue, IBM compatible machines tend to be really big. I think David once mentioned that he mostly uses laptops because they don't take up so much space, but good luck fitting an ISA card in one of those ;)

[@PotatoFi]

Uh-oh... prepare for a flood of donations, David!

[@IanC14]

I have like one PS/2 mouse, all my others are USB.

[@adamsfusion]

Time to send David one of my TinyPS/2s

[@LocalAitch]

It sounds so weird to hear someone say “six five oh two” and “eight five eight oh” instead of just saying the numberslol. Love your vids, David

[@Figulus]

Greetings to the 8-Bit Guy; I have recently gotten an SD2IEC for my Commodore 64 so I can play more games on my machine. However, I've been having trouble getting games that require multiple disks (such as Ultima IV) to work on my computer, or at least after the second disk is required. Would you please consider making a video that explains how best avoid such issues that are commonly encountered by those starting out with vintage computers who may not have such a background in this area. Many thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.

[@caden3306]

e-mail him as well to make sure

[@El_Guapo74]

I got one of those things a while back was majorly disappointed that I couldn't a bunch of multi disk games to work. So I got a 1541 Ultimate-II cartridge and was sad no more. SD2IEC is now a hand me down to the Vic-20 and surprisingly works really well on that machine. You should just retire that thing IMO

[@Figulus]

Yes, I did, however, I was having a bit of trouble getting rid of the ".txt" suffix even though I'd deleted that from the name, the Commodore screen still read, "autoswap.lst.tst". When I went back on my PC to investigate I found that if I right clicked the file in the list of options, my security software had listed, "Scan autolist.lst.txt" so I am a bit confused on what to do.

[@Figulus]

Ok, much appreciated.

[@dlarge6502]

If you are editing the file in notepad when you save the file change the file type to "All files" which should allow you to manually name the file "autoswap.lst". Or as mentioned below, configure windows to always "show extensions for known file types". After you do this all files with have their extension visible and when you edit the extension windows will ask you to confirm you wish to change the extension. You can find that setting in several places. If you are using win 10, you have a "File extensions" tick box in the View menu in File Explorer. This is only for the folder you are currently viewing. You can also set it for all folders by opening "Change folder and search options" in the File menu of file explorer. You need to UNtick the "Hide extensions for known file types" If you are using win 10, search in cortana for File Extensions and the setting pops up. Once that is done the extension should be editable. Your file will appaer to be named as autolist.lst.txt and you can just delete the .txt.

[@und4287]

Why does eBay think that everything that is old, is also rare and thus need to be expensive???

[@cheesyboofs]

How can anyone possibly down vote these videos? They are harmless, historical, edutainment. Another great trip down memory lane, many thanks.

[@AndersEngerJensen]

Everyone who sticks their heads out even a little bit on KZbin and especially if they gain momentum like The 8-Bit Guy, LGR, Techmoan etc. will have haters no matter what you do. Like a friend of mine said, you can post a video of firemen rescuing kittens from a burning building and someone will hate that video even though it is purely benign and not offending anyone. Even I have a few regular haters on my videos. But as EEVBlog said in one of his latest videos about the Kickstarter project he debunked, he got paid dislikes by the thousands on those two videos he posted, dislikes doesn't actually mean the video gets pushed down in the KZbin system. They have altered their algorithms so that any reaction to a video will cause more stir and they will float to the top if there is enough commotion. At least that what he said, if it's true, I don't know. He certainly got more hits and exposure of those dislikes that added to more plays and more income. So the haters kinda lost that one twice.. once for paying those farms to dislike and once for giving him more attention and plays. :D

[@speckd8465]

ChEeSyBoOfS they probably live in australia and think the thumbs up is thumbs down, and vice versa

[@00Skyfox]

Since that SwinSID chip has LEDs for each individual voice and there's holes for a pin header right next to them, does it have access points to each individual voice for, let's say, connecting them to an oscilloscope?

[@danielmantione]

No, it doesn't. I guess those are the holes for firmware upgrades.

[@AB-Prince]

You never showed the armatron functioning

[@UsedAWish]

the bronylike superchannel he already made a video about why he never finished that

[@johnfrancisdoe1563]

Zak Shepherd But now he received the missing parts from fan!

[@MinecrafterPictures]

SwinSID Ultimate is slightly detuned compared to a real SID chip

[@xander286]

The best youtube channel ever

[@martin1b]

I had buyers regret when I originally bought my Adlib back in the day since the sound blaster had great sound effects where they were unavailable on my Adlib. Glad to see it's gone up in value.

[@Rabadamtimtimti]

Yay!

[@cridenh2owo257]

The MULE music is dope.

[@TheJeremyHolloway]

The Atari 8-bit version - the original version - is better.

[@brycevo]

10:23 Monty on the Run? No, I'm pretty sure this is "We Are Number One"

[@theforkontheleft8604]

Very dead

[@bx19tgd]

Ignore the haters We are number one will never die.

[@ShockingPikachu]

ScientificStevie NOW LOOK AT THIS GAME THAT I JUST FOUND!

[@PaulaRamirez]

A U T I S M (look for Mowtendoo-Autism).

[@iCarlyfan4534]

Its been over a year since anyone has thought this was funny go the hell away

[@SimilakChild]

I remember i had a AdLib board like that in my 386. had large speakers with it and they never had a volume control.. so it was always loud.. I would be playing DOOM at night and everyone in the house wakes up and gets mad at me.. lol! and then a few years later I got a Creative Ensoniq PCI card and this thing had support for a 8MB wavetable.. it made .wav and .mid audio files sound so much better because the wavetable provided extended instruments and sound channels

[@SWRadioConcepts]

The adlib had a volume control on it. Are you sure it was an actual adlib?

[@Someone-gk4wy]

I was done recording roblox when I saw this and I was like “my KZbin name is KittyCat Vintage and-OH SHOOT THE CORE IS OVERHEATING 2 minutes later... And I haven’t posted anything retro”

[@maschinenraum]

do you know a good overview of different sound chips in the 70s/80s/90s from c64-SID, some Yamaha chips, AD-Lib, soundblaster etc. with detailed feature description/comparison? maybe this could be a nice input or inspiration of future c-64 SID developments

[@Joznia]

Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "software"

[@dcvk6250]

1:08 Looks like someone’s looking to buy a Fiat

[@Lord46822]

Like

[@lQuadXl]

*I love Ultima VI as well, one of my favorite childhood games!*