Advanced Comms For The CIVILIAN | Not A BAOFENG

[@nikolaushauser3785]

Would you please stop changing the magnification of the video image constantly- it doesn’t help at all !

[@wrw0284]

Literally, just found this guy and that was my first thought!

[@MarkGesswein]

I will wholeheartedly second that motion!

[@Makakahanap]

He's using tracking he probably is using a dslr or an Elgato Webcam and he needs to change the settings. The way he has it set is for video conferences it's keying in on the voice and zooming on the face he needs to figure out his tech.

[@Nomb-ip9sq]

You're the first comment i saw. I thought it wasn't going to be that bad, I looked up and wow. They went overboard with it. Not gonna stick here for it.

[@protogenxl]

Instead of jump zooming, What we need are Star Wipes....

[@echopapa243]

In comparison: We have a Meshtastic mesh covering 100 sqmi (10x10) using 4 “solar repeater” nodes ($100 each) and 6+ mobile nodes ($50ea). Total cost: $500 Utilizing ATAK text & position only (no voice or video).

[@xwarmangle]

working on same

[@zackcovell]

Hey, I'm new to meshtastic which “solar repeater” nodes are you using? What is a Mobile Node?

[@bertol3020]

@@zackcovellmobile node is just a dedicated node for your phone. If I’m correct it’s a setup like the lilygo t-echo. Also there are standalone units that can message right from the node with a keyboard. The latter is what makes more sense.

[@kgchrome]

i love my meshtastic, but essentially it is a cessna (900MHz radio). it's common (900MHz is crowded with devices), it's not unusual to see one in a crowded space (city or suburban area), but if you are the only cessna around, you're easy to identify (4x 900MHz signals in the woods with no other RF). SSFH (spread spectrum frequency hopping) is like a stealth fighter. it may pop up once in a while but it's gone before you can track it. (unless you know or predict the hopping algorithm). the big boy devices are using large amounts of frequency over many bands, and not limited to a particular band. "Beartooth operates in the ISM915 band (902-928 MHz)." which means it uses the same slice of frequency as the NA meshtastic devices, but does not remain locked on one frequency ("channel") like meshtastic does. it hops around frequencies every 20ms (1/50th of a sec). so, it is like a very stealthy cessna. in a noisy RF area, like a city, 900MHz has a lot of traffic, so hopping around that band is unlikely to draw any notice. in a quiet RF environment, it is easier to notice because it is the only RF. because it is short duration and moves to another freq, you have a lot of protection from DF (direction finding), some protection from jamming, in that you are using the whole 26MHz of frequency (energy required to jam a frequency goes up based on the amount of bandwidth you want to cover). finally, the AES256 provides a lot of protection from decryption if the signal is captured and assembled into one stream (there is debate if AES256 is easily or only difficultly decrypted by nation states). frequency hopping is the next step up from regular radio comms, but it still has an RF footprint.

[@phil2082]

Those are cool, and they don't have countermeasures against immediate direction finding that happens with modern antenna arrays, which both read distance and direction immediately by looking at the phase difference between antennas. If you don't need that, or voice, then you're good. Out in the woods keeping normal people away from your spot? No worries

[@anarchytelevision8445]

The only thing is the average person here in America are not going to be able to afford close to $3,000 for this, there's a good reason why most people have the baofeng radio.

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

And they are on sale with my code foe half that And again your baofeng is proven to get you found.

[@vitogriffin8902]

The Feng is junk for many reasons. Being found is low on that list. Get a good radio. You can pick up a license free 900mhz digital radio with some encryption for under $70.. it's not gonna stretch for miles, but neither are you. Retevis RT10.. above that, grab a Motorola xpr6550-6580, or anything you can find and afford, program it, train with it, and be ready to fight. You'll be fine. I have 2 paper cups and a piece of string and I'm not worried a bit about it.

[@campandcook3118]

​@@LastAmericanOutlaw were using hydra SDR and TDOA to map TETRA units and their movement during event201 "lockds". The beartooth can be located the same way if it transmits over . 0.5s - its only frequency hopping, not Band hopping like a RPI+hackRF with proper Software.

[@texasfrontiersman8245]

​@TheLastAmericanOutlaw no it doesn't fake news...use low power 70cm short range use repeaters, simplex, duplex and split operation. Hell HF NVIS for that matter......this will be obsolete just like your ammo company....

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

@@texasfrontiersman8245 you super preppers are funny. You pick your favorite KZbinr and decide that they 100% know exactly what they are talking about because they are well spoken. Now let’s look at a fact or 2. The U.S. military, they use mesh networks. The U.S. military that you dress up and pretend to be, which one are you? Seal team 6 I bet, well the real ones, yes they have been using these for 5 years, still do today. You know who uses your low frequency reporters, ya the low tech bad guys, so we can find them, hear them, and destroy them. But homie your seal team 6 !!!! You got this and will smoke everyone !!! And I have never had an ammo company, you need a roll model. It’s time to grow up.

[@tunnelrabbit2625]

Very low power, directional antennas and terrain masking, horizontally polarized antennas, brevity codes with FLdigi for burst transmission and other techniques are all you need to avoid being DF'd. You do not need what is being sold here. Get the book, The Guerillas Guild to the Boafeng Radio.

[@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader]

Your way beyond what these jokers are doing

[@TheRealBigEE]

Awesome. When I saw the mpu5 videos come out I think most people understood the cost was just too prohibitive. It’s really nice to see innovation here making these systems significantly more accessible to civilians. This is accessible for groups / teams / individuals with some savings and/or fundraising. Well done.

[@michaelnyden8056]

Saw them price though, I think I will go the meshtastic and atak plug-in route until I can afford these guys.

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

They dropped the price like crazy with code outlaw.

[@michaelnyden8056]

Meant to say Meshtastic devices, not gotenna. When the price of something like this goes down to under $1K out the door and they can make it work with iPhone iTAK which supports Bluetooth devices and can use it to broadcast those TOT udp packets I’m in.

[@SecondClassCitizen]

@@michaelnyden8056 Doesn't the government have a contract with ATAK? Not for nothing but do we really think that they wont be able to to get any atak profile from the company out them for fear of risking loss of contract or just because the government tells them too?

[@MichaelMonaghan-ut9hs]

Beartooth is fully compatible with iTAK (no plugin needed!)

[@johnstanley8091]

​@@vitogriffin8902resistance to tyranny is obedience to God very well said. Praise Jesus for life

[@Zamotak]

I'm sure alot of people have heard of guerillas guide to the beofang radio. There is another excellent book though called guerillas guide to signals intelligence. It gets into the nitty-gritty of how easily you can be found through any kind of transmission and explains the basics of how you can go about hiding them, use your enemies transmissions to your advantage amongst a bunch of other things. The most interesting part though was it showed how to build and use different homemade apparatuses from stuff most people probably have just laying round or can get from the hardware store to bebable to find where radio transmissions are coming from. Triangulation of someone's position who is using a radio can literally be done by a team of average people with a little bit of practice and homemade equipment.

[@urbnctrl]

Have been working with ATAK 2 with another company, and in the community there was talk about Beartooth already, can confirm that this tech is the future of DECENTRALIZED OFFGRID COMMS for FIRST RESPONDERS, TACTICAL, OUTDOORS as WELL as SHTF scenarios!

[@brendanl2828]

@3:50 I remember on a field-op, we had an Airforce officer come in and show us a Fieldfox device that could pickup all the frequencies in our site and show us general location of ours and a jump sites 142/148s, pretty cool at the time.

[@danbutorovich246]

There was a saying in the Army for open comms - “break squelch and die.” As soon as you key the mic, they triangulate your position and artillery will follow. Also, try to look unimportant on the battlefield.

[@Sipher91]

wrong....

[@danbutorovich246]

@@Sipher91 Nice one word response. How would you know? I have heard that said thousands of times while serving. I knew the folks trained to df signals. They were great at it.

[@Sipher91]

@danbutorovich246 you're right but wrong. I don't Wanna argue. To find you, you need to constantly hold the mic. Then they can triangulate you. Most mil radio talk is short hence the common sop to "break". Also mbtr and prcs aren't gps featured like mpu5 or bear- tho they're encrypted. Gps tracking at ntc from radars will pick up gps pings. So no, they can't instantly find you like gps. You need to hot mic for them to fix you position. Another thing, no one is gonna waste the idf rounds on you if they can't determine your size and composition. Who the fuck shoots at the first thing they see?

[@Sipher91]

Tactically speaking if ping is coming further rearward of eny you can assess that is eny hhc taa or support company/ battalion but firing without verifying eny is retarded. Hence why idf is tied to decisive units

[@danbutorovich246]

@@Sipher91 Good points. The saying is a bit of hyperbole but it does ring true in many cases. US intel teams work targets long term and are great at IDing who is who very quickly. They will ping you quickly and ID you right after as friendly or hostile. Also mil comms are short but civs with bad radio discipline will just go on and on. The idea is if you are a stationary target and you open your mike enough you will be IDd and yeeted quickly. If you think they won’t find you, you’re wrong.

[@AJohnSmith]

Looks like we going back to wild life calls, boys. Skweeee!

[@Dodgingsimulator]

I'm training pigeons as we speak

[@mrkevin6354]

Learning the lost art of smoke signals.

[@marktechsci]

It is against FCC rules to Skweeee without your call sign.

[@__Dave__]

Hop all you want, your adversary can just monitor a broad spectrum of freqs and see if there are transmissions where there shouldn’t be transmissions

[@mountainskyaerialphotograp3921]

AI is amazingly fast.

[@camperspecial9666]

Awesome. Just awesome! Tomorrow I'll buy a lotto ticket. That's the only way I'll afford them.😢 Best wishes and God Bless all you Patriots out there.

[@bobsolla]

They have Shop Pay that will allow you to make payments for a year at $145.80 a month. I 'm working Joe, but single. Work harder, spend less, etc., but get this and be protected and informed by anyone that has one in your network. I don't know anything about this tech, but i will! I will probably get the smallest Andriod tablet i can use with this and avoid any cell phone usage.

[@teflone121]

meshtastic devices are for the common man. $50 bucks a piece.

[@bobsolla]

@@teflone121 I've checked them out and you can do a lot with little money and set up nodes with solar backup almost anywhere to increase your network area. I like the options the Beartooth gives with ptt and the ability to send pictures.

[@backwardog1]

Get the book prayer of petition. by Jerry Savelle instead of a lotto ticket. Teach a man to fish.

[@perceptivestrategics3657]

I have tested mesh. Here in Maine in the dense foliage it hasn’t been reliable. We would need many nodes to to connect. We are experimenting with nodes on drones though.

[@jplacido9999]

You are right 👍

[@johngolini332]

Same here on the Cape. No elevated terrain, and lots of foliage.

[@myfriendmoses]

Nodes on tethered balloons could work

[@michaelnyden8056]

I wish instead of using atak plugins, they’d make devices that simply created a WiFi network or Bluetooth as the default gateway that the atak phone broadcasts the UDP COT packets out of. So no plug-in needs to be installed for those users that want to jump on to your atak usage and use this device without having them go install a plug-in first. So they act as a simple bridge or router into the same network.

[@bobsolla]

I imagine that it's a security issue.

[@a9s2w5]

I looked into this product about a year ago and read their research paper. If I recall, it is using a lora chip, 1276 with custom software link layer control. So $3,000 for a $5 chip and some underwhelming software/performance. Someone with more knowledge than me, tell me where I am wrong because this is not my area of expertise.

[@a9s2w5]

The thing to do, is just transmit basic data/text. Someone work on integrating voice to text, text to voice. These days you can even train most phones to mimmick your voice. No need to actually transmit audio, just TTS/STT

[@jacobzindel987]

Well, it's made in America, so you are supporting American manufacturing. We really need more electronic manufacturing capabilities.

[@aquilafasciata5781]

​@@jacobzindel987Do they say what parts? I'm 90% confident that it's at best "assembled in America" -- we don't have a super strong silicone capability

[@jchoneandonly]

​@@a9s2w5that doesn't address that the Lora system is a tenth of the price

[@randrew89681]

​@aquilafasciata5781 currently constructing the largest silicon chip production line in the world. In Arizona. ETA to production- quick enough if uncle will stay out of the way.

[@kananisha]

I like how he undersells what the MPU5 is lol

[@claytonnoble568]

Yeah sounds like the MPU5 beat out the product and this thing HAD to go on the civilian market to survive. I've never seen this thing fielded by a military unit yet everyone's got the MPU5

[@TrueHelpTV]

lol he wants $2500 for what is essentially an ESP32 board that cost $12, or a Heltec LoRa 32 for $30 stuck in a weather proof plastic box to act as the data sender for open source software.. Funny shit..

[@MrtrenchTrucker]

Even with the discount code the price is extremely high for most civillians. I get that VOIP is a thing as compared to Meshtastic but the price difference is dramatic! Once the Meshtastic devs finish building out VOIP via 2.4ghz Beartooth wont be able to compete in the civillian market. I wish Beartooth 1.0's were still available. I actually have a pair of the original Beartooths but they are no longer supported.

[@shoup15u27]

Dawg any other serious radio is at least 750 bucks this is pretty competitive your just an angry poor that refuses to graduate from gayfeng

[@AR15DCM]

Those direction finding devices will direction find beartooth just as easy as a baofeng. If they have an idea of your operating area they will find the radios by direction finding one by one and eliminate them. Short burst digital comms using directional antennas are the way to go. Remember lowest power to establish the communications and the rejection you get from a directional antenna will help to limit exposure to "the bad men". No one will know what digital mode you will be using and on which frequency. You set up communication windows that will change every so often. There are a lot more frequencies available to transmit from with a baofeng or any other handheld radio radio than in the ISM band. Sending coordinates and a paragraph of text takes seconds to transmit. Get ANDFLMSG (android program) and you will have digital comms for free if you already have a phone or tablet.

[@adroitredtiger]

I love that this is an option for the American Citizenry

[@ALSPEHEIR]

But by how things are going it, it may not be an option for long before the ATF ban it.

[@apstech4618]

@@ALSPEHEIR FCC. Federal bans won't mean a thing after the SHTF.

[@rangerjay7971]

​@@ALSPEHEIRha ha ha! ATF has nothing to do with it... what a goob

[@asherdie]

The government has a back door in. This company is a government contractor...

[@truetysgaming3693]

I don't know much to be clear, what I worry with about all this is having to use ATAK. That app is used by everyone and the governments of at least NATO us it. The government wouldn't even let them release the normal version. They had to make a civilian version. How do we know that version is not compromised? When you put it on your phone it won't let you set it up without giving it access to GPS and other access. It's pointless to have all this encrypted equipment if the app that it runs through is compromised. But all the videos I watch no one seems worried about ATAK so maybe its good?

[@kg4gav]

Just like GPS, ATAK, Starlink*, and any other military technology that has been released for public use,, like these radios that have a military counterpart, you KNOW the government has a back door into them. Sure, you go play paintball warrier all you want, but try to stage some sort of attack or planning against an agency, and see how long your comms plan lasts. Chances are if your groups has the size and capabilities to really do something, the government has already infiltrated the group anyway. * Yes, I know Startlink is 'independent', but I don't believe for a minute that DOD/GOV'T allowed them to launch all that capability without the ability to selectively shut down, monitor and target regions, down to the individual unit. DOD itself has contracts with Starlink...you really think they can't shut it down?

[@TheTyrial86]

I would be. In order to subvert it, you would need the ability to disable GPS functions of the device. Which can be done. There are devices that you can buy scrubbed or purpose built to shut off certain functions. They are expensive though.

[@evanmarchese3237]

If the SIM card is pulled on the phone, there’s no means for them to get into it. GPS only receives data it doesn’t send any.

[@kenhagler7166]

ATAK is open source. You've got much more to worry about from the phone if you're using a stock OS.

[@ToddKing]

@@evanmarchese3237 If you are in a wifi and cell tower rich environment I'm pretty sure that most phones will still ping the towers and identify wifi locations it sees and upload that info to track where you have been as soon as you put the SIM back in or connect to wifi. If you're OK with sharing where you've been, OK. I use a tablet that cannot take a SIM so no GPS at all. You can get a Android tablet that will run ATAK just fine for about $200. But I went for a ruggedized Samsung that was more spendy.

[@bestjobieverhad9584]

Jesus. Remember when there were only 10,000 followers? Awesome buddy. 🤙

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

Thanks

[@__-pl3jg]

Man this guy is selling these over priced LoRa devices HARD. You know ATAK software is maintained by the US Airforce right? Which means there is a 100% probability ALL of your encrypted messages are being read before they are ever sent.

[@bobbybeta3967]

US doesn't give out stuff to the civilians without them with the ability to circumvent their own engineering for nefarious reasons.

[@charlieghague]

Sounds great! Big problem that you need several people with this setup for it to make sense. You can't just buy one as an individual and have it work for you. With the cost, that's gonna be really hard. I can see it for individual family use. But equipping all your friends is going to be an issue. Also sounds like it'll take a long time to learn how to use it too.

[@crushglobalists8640]

As something of a prepper, I've always struggled with the comms side of things. This video is indescribably valuable. God Bless.

[@Tyguy266]

Can't thank you enough for this video. I've been really trying to get my family preparation ready. Unfortunately I'm in Canada and the right to bare arms is a little hard. Would love to add this to our bug out

[@BeartoothRadioInc]

we ship to Canada!

[@Tyguy266]

@@BeartoothRadioInc link?

[@grantmartin6293]

So, essentially, if I have experience with radios in the military, I can use this pretty simply. It sounds very similar to what we did using the Harris 152 or the MBITR by hooking up an SKL to set up the fill with encryption.

[@NonyaDamnbusiness]

$300 Anytone DMR radio w/256-bit AES encryption keys and any number of cheap Meshtastic devices that can be used with ATAK can achieve the same result as the Beartooth, just at a lower cost and a bit more fragility (the meshtastic node cases, not the DMR radio). $2,500 for *two* Beartooth radios just doesn't make financial sense in the current economy. Maybe if it were $500 a radio I could see it, and while I understand the need for the company to recoup their development and design costs I'll never see myself buying their stuff at that pricing. And for those saying "break squelch and die", have you ever scanned the business band freqs in an urban environment? How is anyone going to tell the difference between an actual business and a stealth group using those same freqs for short bursts? And the ISM band itself that meshtastic rides on is just lousy with signal traffic in urban areas.

[@BeartoothRadioInc]

check out outlaws offer code. it gets you almost to the price you want to pay!

[@paultoth7853]

The entire time they were saying that this system cannot be monitored I kept thinking something. I was talking to the screen 'Ok, blink twice if the CIA/FBI threatened to kill your children if you admit the encryption is compromised"

[@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader]

@paultoth7853 it can and it's not difficult to traxk

[@takeahike858]

Got that same feeling. Maybe they’ll put you on a list just for purchasing such an expensive and unique device.

[@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader]

@@takeahike858 nops

[@stevektx]

FAA 107 license isn't required unless you're flying commercially. However, You can't fly a drone over anyone who isn't directly involved in the operation, or under a covered structure or stationary vehicle. You also can't operate a drone from a moving vehicle unless you're flying over a sparsely populated area. Besides, you mentioned scenarios involving protntial hostles, FAA 107 would be out the window at that point....

[@TwstedTV]

This Beartooth cost $2,500. I can purchase a Meshtastic board for $60 for (2) comes in pairs, purchase a ($20) 912-Mhz antenna. 3D print a case on my 3D printer. Purchase a 10,000-mAh battery for $30. And I have 100 sqmi coverage on a Meshtastic network using solar repeaters that also cost $100 ea. So in total spending $260 for 2 Meshtastic devices. Compared to the cost of a pair of Beartooth devices. I think the Beartooth is better off staying with the military. Because most civilians can't afford Beartooth devices. Meshtastic is way cheaper than this Beartooth devices by 90%.

[@michaelmammoth1010]

I'm not dropping $1,000 on something in a 3D printed case.

[@SacredHeart0520]

1000$ . It's not that cheap

[@RK_Motorsports]

2500 for a pair. LOL

[@bradchenoweth7584]

Very cool. This does what a lot of people have wanted for a fraction of the price of other options, however, at $2500 its still out of reach for the majority of people. I know a lot of guys have issues spending $300+ on a radio. Yeah, with the code the price is actually outstanding, but I can see it being a hard sell to everyone in a group. We all have different financial situations and, like it or not, not every one in the group values high priced comms as other people in the group. Lets put it this way, I'd have to build devices for other people cause they think their cheap radio is good enough and they don't want to spend the $60 for the parts and case. If you can make this work with Meshtastic stuff, then thats really cool as not every one will need to drop that kind of coin. Those of us in the group who can afford it will buy them. If every one is forced to use one, then I see this as an option thats almost there, but not quite. I'd buy one at the end of the month if I knew it were flexible enough to communicate with the meshtastic stuff or could be made to fit my situation.

[@michaelantonio1367]

Hey guy's I'm 4 1/2 minutes in and thank you for the video and the content. The reason why I'm posting is to say that the cut/zoom editing technique you are using is a good one but you are over using it to the point that its annoying and a distraction. I'm not a hater nor a keyboard warrior i just wanted to give input to help you make you content easier to watch. Thanks again.

[@kevinroberts781]

Any radio you key up can be detected. Encrypted or not.

[@evanmarchese3237]

I think you missed that it’s spread spectrum frequency hopping. Can it be detected? Yes but good luck locking on to it.

[@xwarmangle]

@@evanmarchese3237 derp

[@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader]

@@evanmarchese3237 it's not hoping between a huge band

[@Rebelsin]

As long as you have to use your cellphone, you can and will be tracked AND listened to.

[@Mowmer]

Weak link is still the cell phone. Supposedly, even without a sim card, phones can be triangulated. Would I trust it even in airplane mode or someone doesn't turn it on? Maybe a tablet without cell network capability? You just need Bluetooth right?

[@michael_the_chef]

Bluetooth is also possible to locate, sdr hardware could do this

[@Mowmer]

At what range would it be detectable? Bluetooth is pretty weak and short range. Is Bluetooth encrypted?

[@tr4shp4nda_ttv]

Good job putting out a useful item to the public. Side note however, $50 meshtastic device and free ITAK/ATAK on phones does essentially the same thing. However, do not assume you are ok with one node.

[@BeartoothRadioInc]

not quite the same capability set.....

[@Hynnar]

Just going to suggest looking up the standing known weaknesses for TAK in the CVE database.

[@DeSmith-o4b]

$750 for a mesh encrypted phone is a good price, y'all. I'm not sure why people are complaining. I almost posted that I'm a cyber security expert and would look into building a competitive tech, but $750 per handset is a sweet spot cost and feature wise. What price do you y'all think this should be? Baofeng is complete trash. It's sending messages on a post card with your address. It's not secure nor safe even if SHTF.

[@BeartoothRadioInc]

this is 100% true!

[@kerbalairforce8802]

A baofeng, $30 mp3 player, and a $5 cable can be used to waste the enemy artillery if they are shooting at every random signal they see.

[@randykitchleburger2780]

So you are that guy huh

[@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader]

@randykitchleburger2780 which guy is thaf the smart one. It's a cheap way to draw people in

[@kerbalairforce8802]

@@randykitchleburger2780 I teach Avionics and Electronic Warfare to USAF students. I am that guy.

[@CowboyPilot79]

​@@randykitchleburger2780the Air Force has an entire team dedicated to doing stuff exactly like this using only COTS equipment.....it's insane what they are able to do.

[@ronaldc8327]

It is always weird to hear Lubbock, TX mentioned on anything. Home of the Red Raiders,, Lets Go.

[@WexWerxScott]

This looks interesting... im gonna be doing some reading up on this... thanks man!

[@totenfurwotan4478]

Crazy this video got made. I was just looking at buying them

[@Lokkiism]

Ok starlink… now you just got my attention 😮 as a jeeper in a group we like this idea

[@mattengelphoto4936]

with that discount I had to buy! got a pair for me and my brother. Thanks guys

[@Joints666]

Wouldn’t using your phone or anything connected to cellular or satellite expose your position just as bad as the frequencies?

[@Interesting_Placebo]

Exactly what I was thinking. A cell phone can be tracked when it's powered off, no cell signal, no wifi, sim card removed, airplane mode, it doesn't matter. I've read a cell phones GPS location-based function cannot be disabled unless you pull the battery.

[@bs4760]

@@Interesting_Placebo Plus, you would have to have a phone with a dedicated sim slot and no digital sim. So that was the iphone 11 or 12 and below. The newer iphones all have SoS tied into their eSIM.

[@keithwilson8155]

need to start this video by saying this is great way to communicate if your rich and only if your rich

[@jimc12]

The HAM radio does not need a network to broadcast. Also, the use of a repeater or multiple repeaters would eliminate being able to be targeted immediately.

[@Steelcity77]

I'm definitely going to do some more research on this one.👍🏼

[@pewtheory]

Some information on how to get tactical headsets connected would have been beneficial

[@vitogriffin8902]

If you can't connect a headset then you're not on this level...no offense. I'm not a proponent of it and I see it for the consumer driven, unnecessary crap it boils down to, but even I must call it honest and say that this is the hottest thing available to the citizen consumer; not something for beginners who need instructions on headsets. I'm sure you can buy it and email them for that kind of information though....

[@pewtheory]

@@vitogriffin8902 Some offence taken🤣🤣, you can clearly seen when he was asked about peltor he deflected to talking about simple push to talk ear pieces which would connect to your phone. I think I can handle googling U94 Bluetooth PTT. "with a little customized work" which means a mess of cable and wires of splicing of something not a simple plug-in-play. This product is being touted as being able to handle voice comms over a mesh network, which other products like gotenna cannot at this time. For an item that's being sold for almost 1k a unit some general information would be appreciated.

[@JeffreyByrns]

I tried the PROMO code and it came to $1K off. That is a really good deal! Unfortunately, I just don't have $1500 to spend at the moment. Product looks great! I hope to pick one up in the not so distant future. Side note... The comment/rant on Ham Radio operators really wasn't needed, or really even completely accurate. I recommend Meshtastic if you want a taste of this capability. It is text only, but gives you a good idea of what communication can be done with low power Mesh networks.

[@zapman2100]

well this is off to a great start with a massive lie, you can in fact pickup any signal with a good scanner with recorder whether you can understand it or decode it or do anything with it is a different issue. how sad to just blatantly lie like that. Frequency hopping is not gonna stop some one from recording what's going over the air in a place where they can get that signal. again lying instead of say a scanner isn't an issue due to these other things shows this company doesn't understand how this works or doesn't care to properly explain it to their customers. it also sounds like since they have a civillian version it will most likely have a backdoor for the government as any contractor that makes mil and civ versions is contractually required to do so these days.

[@xwarmangle]

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[@samadams6487]

Frequency hopping makes both jamming impossible and intercepting the communication unless you have the frequency hop set. You're not going to fool this old army signal corp Chief Warrant Officer

[@tristanjohnson9773]

@@samadams6487 Not to mention AES encrypted digital comms.... It ain't a beufang lol..

[@mikeschmalz2031]

To be legal to operate, it has to be within a certain band or a few. You certainly CAN jam something like this. It just takes more power to black out an entire band. I would guess civilian version is probably ISM band 902-928Mhz.

[@jeffrobinsonpainting4959]

Thank you. This is exactly what I was thinking. EVERYTHING has backdoors.

[@allenshepard7992]

Question - will normal LoRa equipment propagate the signal ? Question - will a $200 repeater be added so people do not loose a drone and a $1k device with the key material ?? Would hate to have comms compromised. Question: - I'm guessing sound quality is FM or Cell phone grade due to digital nature of ISM devices. Is that right ? Good building penetration at 900 MHz "902 - 928 MHz ISM band with Frequency Hopping" so yes this is the LoRa band. 6 hop max so this sounds like a squad device, not to be confused with HF or LF HAM bands. A drone or two would give miles of coverage. BTW, the hop max is a good idea. Never broadcast beyond your group. That HAM incident is real. HAMs use 'minimal power to make a contact" Turning up XMIT power is like shouting in a room - other people can not talk when one guy hogs the line.

[@MichaelMonaghan-ut9hs]

Not LoRa. LoRa is a specific modulation. There are lots of modulation schemes available in 900 MHz. Not to mention network protocols, codec, middleware, etc.

[@allenshepard7992]

@@MichaelMonaghan-ut9hs Thank you, I stand corrected.

[@kenhagler7166]

It is the same ISM band that LoRa uses, though. That's actually a good thing, because there are a whole bunch of other devices that use that band such as garage door openers, Meshtastic, cordless phones, Motorola DTR series radios, etc. That means that when you're in a populated area the Beartooth traffic will be mixed in a with a ton of other traffic, making it harder to find. Six hops will actually give you plenty of range if you can get some devices high up. A tall building is better than a drone for this, because it never has to land. The city where I live has four Meshtastic nodes (same band, a tenth of the power) at 100'+ elevation, and the mesh covers much of the city.

[@allenshepard7992]

@@kenhagler7166 Thanks for the reply. " in a populated area the Beartooth traffic will be mixed in a with a ton of other traffic, making it harder to find" - I asked Ryan McBeth about this but he has not replied. I was hoping the data packets were similar enough to be propagated on other peoples RF equipment. Battlefront keeps changing. While Starlink is good now, no country wants a single company, Elon musk or not, to be able to turn off the comms.

[@RenThraysk]

Not LoRa, they use Digi products, XBee & DigiMesh

[@JohnKlopp]

I'm thinking $1500 for a gtg comms system doesn't sound bad, especially for people who don't want or can't figure out how to set something like this up using meshtastic. I'm assuming they'll provide good support to these people as well. I'll continue to work with my meshtastic and ataks system, but I like this system and may get one to compare. 👍

[@benpaka2928]

I have a question, I’m halfway through the video but I think there should be a way to remote kill devices on the network and a reinstall for a different device in case the device gets captured or compromised in some way.

[@MichaelMonaghan-ut9hs]

There are ways to accomplish this, change network ID, roll crypto, etc

[@michaelnyden8056]

The starlink integration is cool

[@MichaelMonaghan-ut9hs]

Thanks it’s awesome

[@MagicPrepper]

This is on the list. Thanks for sharing.

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

Call me

[@Clarke441]

@@LastAmericanOutlawhow $ are they thank’s 7:11

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

750

[@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader]

@MagicPrepper avoid this my friend. Ncscout from brushbeater.store will cover everything you need to include a radio class on how to use communications better.

[@NatendoSwitch]

I wish they supported their original beartooth devices. We have 4 and they're basically bricked for androids.

[@CowboyPilot79]

Me too $600 sitting in a drawer that they won't even release the firmware / app code for

[@Green_Leaf]

Good stuff. This is similar technology to my military days , circa 1994, but much smaller and available to the public.

[@GhostSenshi]

This is still pricey for what it is, and that prices people out which stunts network growth. You can build a mesh network for a fraction of this price, and setup the way it runs like a beartooth with some programming know how, and have a comms network setup for your group and family. Granted the beartooth is more plug and play, but I don’t think that warrants that kind of markup. What good is a network that doesn’t have anyone on it

[@spldrong]

You can definitely still be triangulated Harder, but an experienced SIGINT guy could... especially with good hardware. Channel jumping would just make you easier to find with some of the new systems

[@RavenwoodAcres]

Good stuff, I just purchased a set and can't wait to start using them.

[@davidthornburg7810]

Trying to find out about a package price.. did you have to pay 750 for one device?

[@RavenwoodAcres]

@davidthornburg7810 When I ordered my set (2 radios), it was around $1250, not including sales tax. Not cheap radios, but I feel they are worth the investment.

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

I have a video coming out on exactly how to use them as well.

[@Earth_Care_Cowboy]

Ive been waiting for something to get implemented in Wildland Fire for over 20 years. FIRETAK every Engine and Hand Crew could be on a map for Task force and Division, OPs could see the big picture. REMS could instantly see where to respond and make a plan. Short haul could pinpoint you. Any way it’s time..

[@jimbob8389]

So what is the difference between the "civilian" and military version?

[@usptact]

Probably weakened encryption (and possibly backdoored)

[@mikeschmalz2031]

It would also probably be on a different RF band. This probably does ISM 902-928MHz band.

[@natemel12]

Just south of Lubbock been following for a long time and didnt realize this. I have a group of solid guys in lubbock

[@edmckay8001]

Clear and present, I don't know what ever is in your head... Ok then

[@dougannash6985]

As someone who is VERY active in the tactical civilian space in both a learning and instructional capacity, I'm (highly) skeptical. 1. If you're running up against a state level actor with advanced EW capabilities, the antenna on your cell phone will give away your position just as quickly as a radio key-up--yes, even without a SIM card. The fact that this product STILL has to be used *in conjunction with* a cell phone (or tablet, but many of those have cellular antennas in them as well, and still emit energy on other radios, e.g. bluetooth, wifi, etc.) makes it no better than the $30 Meshtastic units in terms of operational security. The frequency hopping is irrelevant if there's still a cell radio jizzing your location everywhere. 2. Ok. so you get voice capabilities as opposed to the $30 Meshtastic units. Is that really worth $1200 per unit? Why not just get a $100 DMR at that point, with the Meshtastic units as a second layer of comms? 3. The price. Comon guys. It's 2024. We can do better. 4. Suggestions: figure out a way to integrate these devices with a small, ruggedized tablet running Android that DOESN'T have a cellular radio (all in one), get the price under $1k, and you might have some buyers.

[@joshuataft5541]

I wish I could afford one or own one....thanks fornthe vidio..it is important if you need one. You realy need one. As a civilian like me with no group thay I train with I jst think of me and my wife and little family..were all trying tonbe prepared..it does seem like things keep heating up more each year ,week,and day ❤🙏👍

[@vitogriffin8902]

You are the group...you are the fighting force. It's the goofballs with no balls running this equipment who don't have a group... outside of their fake fairweather "team"... You're gonna be fine. I got you.

[@crazyham]

Did you know that even just having your Baofeng on receive can still be detected and located. The UK used to use TV detector vans using the same principle. TV's are just complex receivers yet they needed a license (still do in uk) and they had vans drive around to detect if a TV was in a house and if it wasn't licensed they would Bust them (& they still do in Uk). The receiver itself has a local oscillator which is in fact sending a very weak signal. Even frequency hopping can be easily analysed by Software Defined Radio Systems (SDR's) The signal source could still be detected but not as easily.

[@dundermuffin944]

20:12 "look at this photograph. Every time I do it makes me laugh How did our eyes go so red? Oh god a bullet went straight through Joey's head! And this is where I threw up..."

[@BalticLab]

FHSS difficult to DF? I will have to order one just to disprove that (and about 3 more) of the claims made in this video on my Channel... Or can I get a review sample? 🙂

[@DOABadLuck]

Look at the firmware from the one you buy, identify the encryption, crack it, identify the FHSS and replicate it in GNU radio... you can also use a spectrum analyzer to find the FH pattern and timing...

[@BalticLab]

@@DOABadLuck I am well aware of that, that's why I challenged them on that claim. Electronic Warfare and Signals Intelligence are two things found in my resume.

[@legallimitoutdoors9917]

TD-H8 ham gets out 7-8 miles (w) Nagoya NA-24J just like you said shoot move communicate. Save your money get food and water

[@jackflood2441]

Is the frequency hopping between bands. Like vhf/uhf? What all frequencies does this device use? I am sure they are within the ISM Bands.

[@jackflood2441]

“902 - 928 MHz ISM band with Frequency Hopping” It’s staying within LoRa frequencies. Jamming a frequency range all within the same band is easily jammed. I could build that shit and messing thing in the LoRa”us” band easily. I just thought for that price, the tech would be better. Like hop to other bands within the ISM band.

[@jackflood2441]

I have to say, being made in America is supercool, where are your chipsets coming from? Hopefully America.

[@jackflood2441]

Anyways, it’s a great video, I subbed and liked the video . I just think the product needs improvement.

[@TheyAreHereForYou]

I worked as a computer and network engineer for nearly a decade but I have a huge gap in my knowledge with this kind of stuff. With the way society is headed, I should probably fix that.

[@themadmanmaxx4321]

Ok, I just looked up the price $2498.. Really...REALLY! People, can barely afford food, fuel, or living. So, you decided hay let's rip off people. On a product that costs you less than $50 to make. Great job!!

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

Use my code. It’s a lot less. Follow directions better man.

[@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader]

​@@LastAmericanOutlawfeng and a cheap tablet is 120 and does the same thing

[@roadkill4twenty541]

While I'm sure this is a fantastic system, $2500+ for a pair of radios doesn't make it very easy for most average Americans to afford. I just got a pair of Baofengs last week for $70 and they function well enough for my needs.

[@gabehernandez2876]

If I wasn’t so poor I’d buy this !!! Especially with code outlaw it gives you 50% off 🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@mikelangley7152]

Cost... that puppy probably has $100 worth of tech in it. I just watched a video where it was revealed that the latest iPhone cost $26 to manufacture. $3000 is out of range for most.

[@1king_kat908]

Where do we buy the Operator kit from? I see a startup kit on their website but not the full kit mentioned in the video. Thanks in advance

[@StephenShreds]

same

[@zibatechnology]

Quansheng uvk6..after unlocking it has a Range from 18MHz up to 1.3GHz ..it can do both TX and RX mode in whole range..so you can tehniclly have pirate radio station with 30$ ham radio

[@Pappa_Wheelie]

$40 lillygo T-beam supreme and free Atak download, a Motorola xts-2500 with aes256 encryption, you’re dialed.

[@orpheusepiphanes2797]

Yeah thats the direction I went with. Frequency hopping is sexy but meh...

[@Pappa_Wheelie]

@@orpheusepiphanes2797 heck yea!

[@kourgath007]

$2,500? For civilians? Not gonna happen.

[@JayBlanco11C]

Yeah..... im gonna need micheal or another rep to specifically say they aren't gonna have backdoor for the government...

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

They don’t call him you can change it once you get it and change it 5 times a day to a new address impossible to hack

[@bobbybeta3967]

​@@LastAmericanOutlawnothing is impossible, remember that.

[@michaelnyden8056]

iTAK on iPhone doesn’t support plugins but I believe it supports Bluetooth devices such that if a device could do UDP COT broadcasts it could work the same way.

[@MichaelMonaghan-ut9hs]

Beartooth works with iTAK as well

[@michaelnyden8056]

How?

[@pac-1947]

Of course, a new product marketed to civilians but prohibitively expensive for most people these days.

[@brandonseals6732]

Great vid.... keep it up brother... great info/product

[@BeartoothRadioInc]

thank you!

[@flybyav8tor]

Ok so price aside what are the limitations of this radio system. We have a 5 family member homestead (5 separate families 21 people) and take protecting our food & water seriously if the time comes. We live in a fairly suburban area but we have the means to be self sufficient on 35 acres of pasture and forest. Most of the criticism I see is on price and that’s not a concern I have. I need to know real world application and comparable alternatives.

[@motorhead136]

Kraken sdr to direction find goes for around 600

[@DOABadLuck]

HackRF One can accomplish this as well with the proper setup for half the price...

[@TahoeTime4457]

None of these people care about civilian preppers at all. They create this stuff out of basic materials for low cost and then sell it for 10-15 times what it’s worth and the community buys into it because of the nature of prepping. We’re afraid of what we’re prepping for and afraid our gear might not last. As a salesman, that fear is exactly what I’d want for this market.

[@BeartoothRadioInc]

uhm, no but nice try

[@bs4760]

Came across this and was very interested. So here is the deal. 1. Assuming we as Americans are in need for such a device to conduct ops on enemy forces in the homeland, and second for some reason the powers that be have held off their nuclear button pushing, I damn well guarantee, the enemy will not have opted to invade without the use of an EMP or two. So power grid is down and hopefully you have all your nice cell phones that are paired to this device in an EMP protected container. What now? Well, eventually your electronic signal from your phone to this antenna is going to radiate enough to catch the attention of the invading army. Moreover, to be effective, your entire town or at least 5,000 militia are going to need these, so that is 15 million unless these thing are sold in pairs, and that would mean 7.5 million. Long story short, the only use of these devices will be to get you and your family from your location to a coast and then a straight shot to the south. My 700 garmin Tactix 6 watch has the same capabilities to get me from point A to B with wave points for grins. Buy a 500-600 garmin Tactix and put it into an emp protect container and charge it every month or so. Sucks but to make this thing really work well everyone you love and know should have this radio in hand, but that just isn't going to happen.

[@Subgunman]

Is the phone app password protected? If so is it alphanumeric and how many characters can it utilize? The more the more secure it will be. Does the civilian version come with AES256 encryption? From what my understanding is the government has the backdoor keys for AES256. Anything developed in the USA that uses a new type of encryption, the development company is required to provide backdoor information to the NSA. THIS IS ONE REASON WHY MOTOROLA opened an R&D facility in Israel. This subsidiary is not bound by US laws for providing confidential data on new products.

[@evanmarchese3237]

AES is open source meaning the code is available to anyone to be scrutinized. There’s no back door.

[@bobsolla]

What is the real answer in non tech talk please?

[@Subgunman]

@@bobsolla nothing is private if encrypted, big brother is always listening.

[@RenThraysk]

AES256 is pretty common in civilian use. It was developed in Belguim, by two Belgians.

[@craigwallen8886]

And this is why Meshtastic needs to get more love “ throw away your 40$ radio, get a 2500$ pair of repeaters “ come on guys get realistic, having the best means nothing if no one else has it

[@BeartoothRadioInc]

$749 with code outlaw

[@CowboyPilot79]

...and you can see the source code. Beartooth won't even release the source code and firmware for their abandoned devices let alone continue to support them.

[@SlackersIndustry]

Rambo didn't need these gizmos , neither do I. 😆 Great video

[@RprtBak]

Don't think about baofengs as a comms device. Think about baofengs as decoys and misdirection. Think about setting up a baofeng at one location, and setting up a way to key the baofeng from a distance/remotely. For ... Reasons. :D That said, I love this. Payment options would be nice though lol!

[@tunnelrabbit2625]

Use field phones to key up a transceiver remotely. It is easy.

[@jimmyxrose]

i may be disbeliever, but this doesn't sound secure "using plugin for android app"

[@ZCrayFamily]

You should care what side we’re on…

[@andrewbarbro7032]

Are any considerations being given to some R&D on small packaged solar-powered rechargeable units with long-life batteries? I see many instances where setting up long-distance or large networks across cities, mountains, etc, would be advantageous. The satellite feature is fantastic, but let's face facts, all existing communication equipment will fall into the hands of the government in certain SHTF situations, and the idea is to stand alone. I can see how the Bearfoot system could set up an information network that could rival or beat cell services nationally with enough participation.

[@gabrielsierra6890]

We use the MP5 with ATAK for search and rescue.

[@LastAmericanOutlaw]

You can have Beartooth work with the mpu5 as well.

[@dredens]

Man, people sure are willing to spend a whole bunch to avoid simply having emissions discipline, brevity and windows. I assure you that this can be tracked down, especially if people think they’re so safe that they just blast wild.