Aerith's Death Scene Original vs Remake - Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth (1997 vs 2024)

Aerith's Death Scene 1997 vs 2024 (Original vs Remake) - Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Spoilers Ahead!
FINAL FANTASY 7 RIBIRTH - Aerith's Death Scene Original vs Remake.
Recorded on the PS5 with Elgato 4K60 S+
0:00 FF7 Original 1997
1:57 FF7 Rebirth 2024
8:38 Side by Side Comparison
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is an upcoming action role-playing game developed and published by Square Enix. It is a sequel to Final Fantasy VII Remake (2020) and the second in a planned trilogy of games remaking the 1997 PlayStation game Final Fantasy VII.
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[@marvelgeek9577]

“Don’t weep. Your tears are empty. Just like you.” That’s got to be the coldest line I’ve ever heard the villain say to the hero…

[@lpstweetytv5242]

He's a master gaslighter

[@westside9032]

One of the best video game villains ever he’s the Thanos of video games

[@girthatbirth]

@@westside9032thanos ain’t all dat

[@westside9032]

@@girthatbirth he’s all that and more

[@girthatbirth]

@@westside9032 he’s mid lol read a comic, i can name many better. his motives don’t make sense.

[@stephenmuckle4185]

Cloud in 1997 "Aerith is gone, she will never talk, laugh, cry or get angry" Cloud in 2024 "This girl are sick"

[@RichardHunke]

lol 😂

[@vaasmontenegro3728]

Aerith death scene When Cloud reaches Aerith watch as he walks through the whispers, pay attention, it’s like he is walking into worlds, do you see how it flashes, new world, OG world. When Cloud reaches Aerith and the camera angle looks down at Aerith, pause, zoom in, her hair tie is pink. Watch as Aerith is opening her eyes as the feather falls, look at the color of her hair tie it’s purple. New world: Look at Cloud sword when he screams, “NO” also it looks like he went into a different world at that moment, you see a rainbow of light going up his sword and it’s glows green and you can see a green mist coming from his sword, it reminds me of what Rosa did to Alphreid sword during his fight in the loveless play. Watch as Cloud deflects Sephiroth sword you see rainbows like in the church and sleepy forest, remember the white whispers were with Aerith before her death. Watch how Sephiroth sword landed, it lands straight up. Cloud saves Aerith. Look at Aerith hair tie, it’s pink and it flashes back to the OG as the camera shows the Sephiroth sword, look at the angle of his sword, it is sideways, Aerith falls to her death, her purple hair tie falls out of her hair. Aerith hair tie, OG world it’s purple and pink in the new world? Cloud runs and holds Aerith body, you see flashes back and forth to the OG world she dies, he has tears and muttering words. OG world. As the others run, Tifa stops in her tracks, not because of Aerith’s death, it’s because she sees blood and no blood she doesn’t understand what is happening but she was in the lifestream. New world: Cloud lays Aerith on her back and he tells her I got this, look at the others they are standing still, not moving. OG world, pay attention. As Tifa runs towards Aerith she is laying on her side, remember Cloud lays on her back in the new world. As soon as you see Cloud boot, pause, zoom in, you still see Aerith laying on her side. New world: As Cloud approached Aerith is once again laying on her back, the whispers are flying around, Cloud walks through the whispers and the others disappear, he asks Aerith to wake up she does. Why do you think Sephiroth told Aerith, I must admit I underestimated you. And also why did they show Aerith hair tie it’s pink, look at her death scene again when she is praying and opens her eyes when she sees the feathers falling her hair tie is purple, when she falls to her death it is also purple. It was Aerith destiny to die in the OG world and she did, creating a new world means she can change her destiny and she did.

[@arismendyfermin2128]

​@@vaasmontenegro3728bro relax i saw you in everywhere about Aerith death in rebirth.😂 And repeated and repeated the same shit. WTF is wrong with you? Left my guess, you think if you repeat 1,000 times the same shit will become real.😅 Okay, Bro i know you love Aerith , you NEED to she is alive but BRO!. RELAX, KEEP KALM, You look like a crazy man 🤪 and anybody have the 100% real true.😅 RELAX hahhahahha😂

[@Lordlos9]

This entire description is more confusing than the godamn game.@@vaasmontenegro3728

[@7spider391]

​@vaasmontenegro3728 so what does that all mean?😵‍💫

[@chas2052]

They really edge’d us thinking shit could have been different 💀

[@The_Doc5894]

Technically it is... what Cloud saw in those moments WAS ANOTHER UNIVERSE, in which he saves Aertih But it seems that this was momentary, this means that in part 3 Cloud may possibly manage to go to another universe since he is already more That confirmed that there is more Cloud, I managed to be momentarily in his universe and the other universe in which Aerith does not die.

[@dreamgamershd345]

@@The_Doc5894They are going to throw all of us to a surprise in part 3 that in the end that universe Zack and Aerith and Biggs will come and join them. I think We will actually get a happy ending where our heroes who died live. Except for Jessie and Wedge.

[@kaellagos5895]

​@@dreamgamershd345 I hope that, they deservet

[@Ironcorgi2]

It’s a canon event

[@user-fk9yw9yl6j]

They were clever. They made us care again

[@BlackCatsXVII]

" Aerith is gone. Aerith will never talk… never smile… cry… or get angry… ever again " You cut out the part after the cinematic of OG FF7 which make her death even more saddening. Every party member also comes to mourn her one by one, they don't just throw her in the water after she's been slashed lol.

[@ullaluloo8925]

It is in there but only a sneak since cloud is in denial of the tragedy and creates a new scenario in his head. This is good for the new players and kind of a bummer for the OG fans. They probably gonna save the whole scene when tifa helps cloud to collect his memories.

[@absi49]

@@ullaluloo8925 not even the new people understands whats going on, so your argument doesnt make sense.They didnt pleased "anybody" with the way this scene unfolded.

[@ullaluloo8925]

@@absi49 I’m not even tryna argue bruh, chill.

[@BlackCatsXVII]

@@ullaluloo8925I didn't mean in rebirth, i meant in the video itself. It makes for a weird comparison to cut that part out imo.

[@massimilianodelrosso5495]

​​@@BlackCatsXVIIthat part was the hardest hitting part in the entire OG scene, and the fact that they took it off in the Remake just demonstrates how arrogant the Nomura/ Nojima/ Kitase trio is, thinking they could top that scene by chopping it off to make space to multiverses 'n stuff. Despite liking the Remake/ Rebirth changes when they improve the original, Aerith's death here is a huge L.

[@Kev-O33]

original-sad rebirth-confusing

[@Akanapocalypse]

Pretty sure it’s from Cloud’s POV (which is mixed with delusions) instead of from our POV.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

​@@Akanapocalypse it's still botched.

[@be_rad_]

everyone wants the big sad death and slow mo tears and orchestra. THe truth of the matter is cloud cant have those because of his delusions. I think they wanted to make people comong out of this confused because thats how cloud is. They will probably make this a big emotional beat in part 3 when he realizes the truth about where hes been, zack, and now aerith

[@alster724]

THIS CAN'T BE REAL!!!!!

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

@@alster724 given how bad the first part of the remake turned out I can assure you: it's real

[@Panndiita]

We can even see the cloud of the classic version (1997) moving his mouth as if he's saying something at 6:09 there's where he says his dialogue "Aeris will no longer talk, cry... of get angry..." "what about us? what are we supposed to do?" "what about my pain?" "my fingers are tingling, my mouth is dry. my eyes are burning!"

[@MariusBoss11458]

I really feel like they're not showing us that dialogue until part 3. And I hope they add it cuz it's very iconic

[@jucksalbe]

So they made a scene that was about Aerith into a scene that's mostly about Sephiroth (and Cloud).

[@kiriseraph9674]

Remake Sephiroth really is Sephithot.

[@yam4281]

its not really ff7 rebirth its more ff7 sephiroth

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

The first part couldn't even get through the aftermath of the reactor mission without the creators blowing a Sephiload in their shorts. The writing has been on the wall since.

[@orrthehunter]

the bit scary thing about the Remake timeline version is that the reason why we do not see the stab is only because we are seeing it from Cloud's perspective which currently he is complete denial so he made up this entire fake scenario where he did block it in his head strong enough that he actually believes it happened.

[@NotABot55]

That or S-E wussed out on showing the details (this is the same S-E that couldn't show Celes getting punched in the FFVI Pixel Remaster...)

[@mrskye08]

The scenario isn't fake. A new timeline emerged when he crossed the fate barrier. When the worlds merged cloud can see the aerith he saved. The aerith he's seeing is the aerith who kept on talking to him in advent children.

[@_BlackenedSun]

Boo hoo someone get me my violin

[@bradhorowitz2765]

How do you reckon? Is it from her line that she’ll stop meteor? I do think cloud did actually stop sephiroth, what happened next I’m not sure. Either sephiroth or the whispers interfered to cause aerith to die. What we saw was cloud (and even tifa) simultaneously seeing different versions play out. Like quickly. Ultimately in the remake world, aerith is prob dead? And cloud can be argued to be going Through multiple issues: disassociation which he is prone to doing, seeing AERITH from an actual timeline, seeing an illusion by sephiroth (he Afterall believes the reunion is good which is exactly what sephiroth wants), like he isn’t completely insane (red did sense aerith). But he is also acting incredibly robotic and nonchalant; he tells his gang not to worry about the sky as he sees what’s going on, but he dosnt seem to think “why aren’t they worried?” He dosnt want to dwell on the fact that his aerith is GONE.

[@mecuriasu]

@@ropebunnii It's not exactly another timeline. More like, certain events in the story are creating new possible worlds. Zack's world is one of them. What happened to Aerith seems to be odd. Cloud did save her, but there was some potential interference. In fact, he seems to be overlapping in two different worlds for some reason. The crack in the sky is visible in Zack's world, which later becomes visible in Cloud's world, but only Cloud (And Aerith) can perceive it as being there. There's also the coma version of Cloud and Aerith in Zack's world. Not only this, but Biggs somehow managed to get into Zack's world. Maybe Coma Aerith in Zack's world will wake up soon? in the 3rd game maybe

[@xylan9543]

i think tbh they kinda fail the execution of aerith death.. its more confusing than sad

[@reinaldosp5498]

I honestly prefer the original sequence of 1997, that was more emotional and impactant. This new sequence is so confuse and creates mores questions than anwers

[@absi49]

yup,some people that never played the original will even take some time to notice she died,this entire portrayal on rebirth is confusing and dont show anything, the person in charge really fcked it up

[@tiffanyillig48]

@@absi49and even the director or the creator of the remake says he wants to stay true to the original. NOPE!!! They did Aerith death horribly.

[@Mayabichi]

This is rather a sequel than a remake, and these destiny ghosts are the central part to it

[@fleeplayTV]

that's the point

[@vaasmontenegro3728]

@@MayabichiAerith isn’t a ghost lmao

[@Tovii2022]

I remember playing this game back on PlayStation 1… I spent so much time grinding to get Aerith to be a strong healer/caster and then she just got killed off. I was crying!

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

Seeing an angelic girl like Aerith die is so heartbreaking

[@lorenzopiscosi9566]

Omega-simp

[@raycraft001]

@@lorenzopiscosi9566you van like a character and not be a simp

[@pearljaime2]

If she did even die. What a mind trip. I guess they tried to pull a "convoluted timeline dark souls" thing here and just made it in a incoherent mess

[@astrahcat1212]

That was the point but they ruined it

[@lorenzopiscosi9566]

@@raycraft001 don't cry... simp

[@DaneWinter1213]

The reason why we don’t see Aerith’s water burial is because we’re seeing everything from Cloud’s POV, and he genuinely thinks he saved Aerith from her death. Obviously she still did die based on the other characters’ emotions, I highly doubt they were that sad just because Sephiroth got away again. We’ll probably see what really happened when Cloud gets his real memories back in the 3rd game.

[@James-sn5mg]

yeah. They changed this part a lot. In the OG FF7, he is still in illusion but when it came to Aeris' death, he realized that she really did die and accepted it. So he did the water burial. But in Rebirth, his illusion got like 10 times worse where he believes that he saved her lol

[@cvill03]

If anything I think the water burial will be in third game. I feel when the realization for Cloud that she's really gone

[@ID_Station]

Yeah, there’s gonna be a whole mind fuck when he actually realized that he’s been making stuff up this entire time.

[@purefoldnz3070]

we didnt even see her die. What a cop out.

[@william678910]

Right?! FF Rebirth is a good game with a shit ending​@@purefoldnz3070

[@xxsecretdreamerzxx]

Why skip the part where cloud says aerith will no longer laugh, or cry

[@qui11]

New games have bad characters. The old ones have more personalities.

[@bradhorowitz2765]

It’s can be explained by a few of theses explanations: 1. Cloud is back into denial. Speaking with thinking or remembering. 2. In this moment multiple versions are playing out. Combined with his grief and shock it’s overwhelming.

[@audriari]

@@bradhorowitz2765 i agree hes 100% in denial, he's the only one who's not crying or depressed in the ending

[@Panndiita]

we actually can see cloud hugging her saying something we can't hear at 6:00 there's where he says that! "my fingers are tingling. my mouth is dry. my eyes are burning!"

[@amuroray9115]

⁠@@qui11 that had nothing to do with the OP’s question. Smh

[@macoyansable]

the OG was way more brutal on killing Aerith stabbing scene than rebirth

[@girthatbirth]

ah yes the 240p graphics

[@SeventhheavenDK]

​@@girthatbirth. Yeah, it makes you wonder how they could have screwed it up.

[@fleeplayTV]

​@@SeventhheavenDK except they didn't

[@haileeraestout5567]

But In Rebirth She Doesnt Die But Something Else Happens

[@garrtrigger]

Damn those retcon ghost really ruins it

[@terrycullen3302]

Seriously, and they're just a bad design.

[@jefreyvalencia4669]

One of the stupidest Idea ever, when all the expanded characters like Jessie where more than enough. This new ghost stories should be like a DLC of Sephiroth revenge after the trilogy instead.

[@rcslyman8929]

Damn careless Whispers.

[@delphinium7713]

I agree, they're so forced it's awful. I honestly even thought Remake was pretty decent, expect for the ending at the bridge with the dementors. Just seemed like odd filler

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

​@@rcslyman8929lol

[@AimanCool440]

This ending is... hurt so much, it's makes me cry. 😢

[@finalfandussy7]

5:49 Sephiroths laugh may just be the single most infuriating sound I have ever heard

[@AceCrusaider]

Yes... Give in to the hatred.. Hold on to it. Hate sephiroth more

[@jayr238]

Why they did a good job making him the villain you can't have a good story without a good villain.

[@_BlackenedSun]

Sephiroth should have bent cloud over in the remake and give him a real reason to cry

[@finalfandussy7]

@@AceCrusaider shit you got me there

[@nurulhudamuharor8979]

Agreeddd

[@Azzie_S]

It's pretty much straight up vandalism. One is effective, unambiguous, iconic and carries the game's theme of loss. The new one is a storm of nonsense, a 12-car pile up of confusion, from start to finish, even the arbiters trying to stop Cloud approaching Aerith doesn't make sense, Cloud literally does that in the original. The new one both wants to kill Aerith but also keep her as a character whenever they want her to show up.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

These games are made for the part of the audience that could watch anything happen and think "that are make sense actually" because something something retcon ghosts.

[@arvinjay336]

"Vandalism"? by who the devs who made the original? lol

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

@@arvinjay336 the team has changed significantly since the Squaresoft days. But even if it were one for one the same team from '97, anybody can vandalise anything. James Cameron and the Terminator franchise are a prime example. So what's your point?

[@arvinjay336]

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher its still the same team dude Kitase, Nomura, Nojima and joined by Uematsu.

[@arvinjay336]

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher also how is this vAnDAlIsm? they didn't even discard what happens in the OG and its there untouched and playable on almost every platforms.

[@loqiao833]

I just wish they seperate the scenes or make it like a last minute realization instead of mixing two scenes, mixing the illusion makes people confuse. And the water burial is iconic to be skipped

[@incendiesproductions]

I suspect we'll see it properly in Part 3 during the Lifestream sequence, since Cloud is clearly repressing what actually happened here like he did with Zack's death. They'll probably move Zack's flashback over to the Lifestream sequence too, so that Tifa learns what happened to Zack and she can help Cloud work his way through Aerith's death in addition to piecing together all the other memory issues that were there in the original game.

[@loqiao833]

@@incendiesproductions i just hope they execute it properly Aeriths Death is too iconic to be messed up and delivered in a convulated way

[@TheNocturnal1]

Guess you can say your vision was… *Clouded*

[@KoalaNoMarch]

Perhaps the scene as we're familiar with will be part of cloud fixing his memories later on.

[@jbrazil4563]

​@@incendiesproductions I Hope, SE should really fix it.

[@moondoor9031]

I think the original was much more simple,tragical, brutal and sad. I couldn't feel anything in the Rebirth because the scene was confusing like some sort of Kingdom Hearts experience.

[@astrahcat1212]

Nomura wrote it, everybody at the company worships the guy and keeps giving him power, and he takes it and makes overly convoluted multiverse writing with it.

[@arvinjay336]

​@@astrahcat1212 dipshT Nomura has no say in the story for 7Remake trilogy he wanted a 1:1 remake. you should point it to Kitase, the OG director of FF7 and now producer who wanted the changes.

[@arvinjay336]

@moondoor9031 KH isnt confusing. How is that confusing seeing a bunch of teens k*lling eachother with keyblades same goes to that KH mobile game wherein everyone in the union, kids that got recruited, died.

[@BrohamLincolnpanta-ct4ld]

And the dialogue wasn't as good imo

[@purefoldnz3070]

this is how they handled it? They didnt even show her death. How did they mess this up so badly?

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

After part 1 it should be little surprise.

[@BooyahAmigos]

nah u just dont get you dont get it all!, she was killed by the idea of being killed its SO OBVIOUS..... /s. talk about a massive monkeys paw imagine wanting an remake of ff7 and this is the shit you get

[@Enes1967]

This whole alternate stuff feels out of place. The alternative story should have been a stand alone game.

[@extraterrific8835]

I'm glad someone said it

[@wind1574]

I agree

[@gnelson7225]

Really hoping it turns out that all this stuff was just imagined by Cloud, another part of his delusions. Would make his mind break that much worse in the 3rd game if he realizes that Zack and Aerith were killed this whole time and instead of coping with it, he fabricated these intricate worlds in his mind where everything turned out fine.

[@pearljaime2]

​@@gnelson7225well, there's the split sky thing, red feeling aerith, zack still alive and even sephieboi sayong he's merging words, so... yeah, it sounds like part 3 will just be a incomprehensible mess.

[@lordpookie]

this is the stand alone game...

[@yanc3879]

this game sadly makes me grow irritated about sephiroth. that same flying, same smile, same sound, same camera angle, same robotic body gestures, he comes in and get beat up then flees, then returns from your back like a stubborn jerk. Sephiroth was my favourite character and this game ruined it. I understand the change is to give a moment of suspense: did cloud save aerith? but sadly it takes away the brutality of her death and cold blooded nature of sephiroth, which was the peak of both characters' development. perhaps if the execution is better I may buy the new version. Then the music shifts too quick back and forth from aerith theme to sephiroth theme, it doesn't give enough time to absorb aerith's death. She deserves much longer moment. BTW the battle comes after the scene is important as part of the experience and it's not included in the video...

[@miguelavalos2113]

they executed it soo bad. Not emotional at all. So so bad executed

[@bradhorowitz2765]

What are y talking about? Sepy literally stalked aerith to kill her in another world. He tricked cloud with an illusion of aerith. He LAUGHED at her death which admittedly he didn’t do in the OG (I don’t think). And his face when the camera shows him reeling back his sword…with blood. It’s like he truly containing his happiness at what he just done. He seems me overjoyed at what has happened; he literally repeated destiny against his hated foes and is done step closer to his goal. Sephiroth mind you is also different from the OG; he knows what’s suppose to happen and at this point has increased his power and has cloud in an even worse shape. Later on as the fight drags on, you see sephiroth for the first time telling aerith “I underestimated you.” It’s certainly not cloud because he still needs cloud to do exactly what he woulda done in OG, he hadn’t done that at all during their solo battles to cloud, it’s aerith-his look is f one of happiness, it’s surprise contemplation, annoyance, and hate. But he knows he’ll be back . The war with aerith for the souls continues on.

[@threestars2164]

He came across as a horror villain in the og, and now he comes across as a villain from ** boruto!!

[@jbrazil4563]

Yeah the scene seems really weird, unlike the OG that she literally died and cloud was broken so much.. really annoyed by those ghosts..

[@danieltan8604]

I missed the Aerith theme being played during Jenova boss fight. I missed the Cloud's conversation and other party members after Aerith being stabbed by Sephiroth. FF7 rebirth Aerith death scene doesn't make it memorable and unforgettable!

[@Canal25bits]

Aerith's theme plays during the battle against Jenova Yes Maus only in the first phase

[@fleeplayTV]

Aerith theme does play in the boss fight wtf are you on about.

[@IamtheMan1111]

97 is at least realistic, 2024 is kinda softening things up, everything must be covered, like people could die from mere traumatic

[@fernandoantunez8114]

I agree, '97 feels better and more touching with Aerith theme playing through all the Jenova fight. '24 Idk why they added all those Sephiroth's fights after it.

[@IamtheMan1111]

@@fernandoantunez8114 also, cloud in 97 accepted her death, cloud 2024 has becoming delusional

[@phanhuyduc2395]

​@@fernandoantunez8114because 97 is 1 game while 2024 has 3 so this fight must be the final boss fight

[@playerback7722]

​@@phanhuyduc2395 yep

[@_BlackenedSun]

“But uuut buut guys in the next part its gonna be said when cloud realizes she dead oh god nomura is such genius”

[@CosmicRPG]

Like in Prince of Persia: You cant change the destiny

[@Leonardo_Az_]

The phrase is like this, your journey will not end well, you cannot change the fate, no man can

[@Slavic_Snake]

​@@Leonardo_Az_WARRIOR WITHIN REFERENCE 🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯💯

[@TheNocturnal1]

*laughs in Kratos*

[@user-wj2ov8kq1o]

I AM... THE ARCHITECT OF MY OWN DESTRUCTION

[@Dark_Sun_Gwyndolin]

You can't change your fate... No man can...

[@zer0hero95]

Original was brutal because before Aerith die the last real life interaction between Cloud and Aerith was Cloud beating the shit out of her when they got the black materia.

[@Panndiita]

yeah I heard "blacklightattack" saying the same in his gameplay... it was really sad, poor cloud and aeris :( I hate that they omited that xD

[@IsThisThePrizeIveWaitedFor]

It was also more brutal cuz we didn’t know it was going to happen. This game came out before social media and the internet was in its early days so you don’t get spoiled.

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

​​@@IsThisThePrizeIveWaitedForExactly, People are being unrealistic when they expected SE to completely capture the Feelings of the OG death scene because the sheer unexpectedness played a massive part in its iconic-ness. Basically no matter what they did, it would've been disappointing to the OG Purists

[@Xhanatos]

@@066kshitizvsingh4 Wrong, they just had to do it 1:1 with modern graphics, easy. But they fuked it up.

[@jamesgravil9162]

@@066kshitizvsingh4 Exactly. It would be like if Disney ever tried to remake the original Star Wars trilogy. They could never recapture the shock audiences had when they heard Darth Vader say "I am your father", because the whole world knows it now.

[@willowingwhispers2612]

I personally really love the fake out. How, for a few moments, the player is left to believe she's okay and that cloud saved her -- only to be slapped in the face with the reality of what happened while watching him struggle in his self denial.

[@katelinstanersen701]

I think they did a great job re opening the old wound us players got in 97

[@Zerorenren4761]

Yeah, they did everything perfectly, they managed to make her death surprising with all the "will we be able to save Aerith?" Marketing and this fake-out, and everything was going extremely well, untill they decided to throw the whole Zack and Cloud + Aerith's ghost vs Sephiroth Multiverse spectacle that completely fucked the scene. They should've kept things minimalistical and faithful as possible to the original in this moment even with the Cloud denial thing, even if it meant ending the game without an epic final boss, i doubt that people would be mad at it considering her death, everything would end in a less convoluted and more dark way.

[@ThienLe-dr4nr]

If Aeris lived, we wouldn’t have the Advent Children timeline lol

[@JosephF.]

I actually think they did an incomprehensibly bad job here. It’s kind of a fake out, but it’s also kind of not. Signs point to her actually still being alive in some alternate universe, and you have no time to mourn Aerith, because immediately after her “death” there’s a 10 phase boss battle. They honestly just said “how can we kill Aerith, and not kill Aerith” and went with that.

[@diegoramos27]

It was brilliant, I thought she was gonna be saved

[@reinsama2.09]

One of the most iconic moments in gaming history ruined.... Thanks Tetsuya Nomuron, Thanks square Enix.... I fucking hate it

[@Ga-Bo-Ot]

Stil same but different taste i think

[@Cyber7777]

yep blame nomura

[@playerback7722]

Yep

[@YourPalAlRetroGamer]

The 1997 version of the scene is still a masterpiece, one of the greatest in video game history, but they had a chance to make it better, and they blew it bid time.

[@oratomo4454]

What? I think the new one was amazing, we already knew aerith will die, the new one just shows how fucked up cloud mind was, its making him go even crazier

[@MrJokes8]

The rebirth death was weak! The OG was devastating and emotional. The pain in what Cloud was saying! The emotion that was written was more than Rebirth! Rebirth is a technological marvel. Great RPG with amazing combat. But the OG story(even being rushed through at some points) is still better than these remakes!

[@kiriseraph9674]

Given Cloud's position after the stab I think it's safe to say he was swinging at a hallucination Sephiroth while the real one got Aerith.

[@risinggodtier369]

Which was a clever takeout to me since this is the first time I've seen it. Heartbreaking but a great way to bypass censorship 😆

[@thirdworldrenegade]

I actually think Cloud killed Aerith, not Sephiroth. Hear me out... Cloud starts out in front of Aerith. After "deflecting" Sephiroth's attack, he ends up behind her. Implying that maybe he cut through her. There'd be no reason to change positioning if he's deflecting an attack from above. Intentional or not, it seems like he dealt the killing blow. If you look at the Masamune afterwards, it's clean. Blood spills from the right-hand side and it doesn't even touch the Masamune. When Sephiroth picks up the sword, there's blood all over it. Cue the static. This is what Cloud is seeing, or at least thinks is what happened, that being Sephiroth killed Aerith. It's basically the Mandela Effect. It isn't just Cloud. Tifa and Zack suffer from this, too. Of course, in Cloud's case, it's much worse. He continues to lose his grasp on reality. Sephiroth even taunts him later asking if any of this is real. When everyone saw Aerith on the floor, they all thought Sephiroth killed her. I mean, why wouldn't they? However, Tifa's perspective kept shifting. Cue the static, again. She sees Cloud consoling Aerith, but then sees him covered in blood. His gloves, rather. Why the pool of blood was missing depending on the perspective is beyond me. In any case, no one else sees this. Except Tifa. I'm sure it'll be a key point in the third game, which has to be called Reunion. The game should've had two endings. Seems like a missed opportunity to have a QTE for such an important part of the story only for there to be one result regardless of how you do. You complete the QTE successfully, Aerith lives. You fail the QTE, Aerith dies. That's how I would've gone about it. They could deem which ending is canon and continue the story based on that.

[@vaasmontenegro3728]

I read yours so I hope you do the same Aerith death scene When Cloud reaches Aerith watch as he walks through the whispers, pay attention, it’s like he is walking into two worlds, do you see how it flashes, new world, OG world. When Cloud reaches Aerith and the camera angle looks down at Aerith, pause, zoom in, her hair tie is pink. Watch as Aerith is opening her eyes as the feather falls, look at the color of her hair tie it’s purple. New world: Look at Cloud sword when he screams, “NO” also it looks like he went into a different world at that moment, you see a rainbow of light going up his sword and it’s glows green and you can see a green mist coming from his sword, it reminds me of what Rosa did to Alphreid sword during his fight in the loveless play. Watch as Cloud deflects Sephiroth sword you see rainbows like in the church and sleepy forest, remember the white whispers were with Aerith before her death. Watch how Sephiroth sword landed, it lands straight up. Cloud saves Aerith. Look at Aerith hair tie, it’s pink and it flashes back to the OG as the camera shows the Sephiroth sword, look at the angle of his sword, it is sideways, Aerith falls to her death, her purple hair tie falls out of her hair. Aerith hair tie, OG world it’s purple and pink in the new world? Cloud runs and holds Aerith body, you see flashes back and forth to the OG world she dies, he has tears and muttering words. OG world. As the others run, Tifa stops in her tracks, not because of Aerith’s death, it’s because she sees blood and no blood she doesn’t understand what is happening but she was in the lifestream. New world: Cloud lays Aerith on her back and he tells her I got this, look at the others they are standing still, not moving. OG world, pay attention. As Tifa runs towards Aerith she is laying on her side, remember Cloud lays on her back in the new world. As soon as you see Cloud boot, pause, zoom in, you still see Aerith laying on her side. New world: As Cloud approached Aerith is once again laying on her back, the whispers are flying around, Cloud walks through the whispers and the others disappear, he asks Aerith to wake up she does.

[@savitasingh1613]

​@@vaasmontenegro3728yess!!the stabbed aerith have purple tie but the aerith that was saved had pink hair tie!!

[@savitasingh1613]

​@@vaasmontenegro3728yess!!the stabbed aerith have purple tie but the aerith that was saved had pink hair tie!!

[@MiguelRodriguez-zr7of]

I believe that what happened here is that both timelines converged for a moment. Cloud did in fact stopped Sephiroth from killing Aerith, but in that moment the timelines converged, resulting in Aerith feeling the attack, and it seems that Sephiroth may have contributed, as in one second the sword was clean, then the next was stained with blood. Everyone notices that this was reflected in Aerith as well, one moment she was covered in her blood, and then all of the sudden she wasn't, and it repeated, even Tifa noticed, confusing her as an result.

[@mettatonneoex]

First Denial, Then Revelation

[@zodlord5669]

the old one was better

[@moatezmoussi9751]

No

[@zodlord5669]

@@moatezmoussi9751 you know why, over the top boss fight, just simply she died and you gotta deal with it

[@anzermx6517]

​@@zodlord5669xD

[@ci7210]

I wish we saw a 4K version of that implemented. Ok, you can do the whole Cloud. He thinks he saved Aerith . But recreate that Iconic moment in 4k when he snaps back to reality

[@siuhong-iq3vc]

And the news just bull shit !!!

[@GodOfAI_]

They better not connect the third game to advent children or this multiverse mess it’s gonna be even worse.

[@abelmoreno4836]

They already said they are connecting it to AC

[@lasereyes555]

Multiverse is very profitable. They can create any story line, just slap the FF7 logo on it and people will buy it. No need to keep creating brand new story for just one game every time. Just take a look at the Spider-Man series.

[@ryanmadej6694]

It's already a sequel to advent children homie lol , remake is a sequel to all the ff7 and spinoff came before

[@vaasmontenegro3728]

@@ryanmadej6694they did confirmed but Kitase confirmed the third game isn’t going to be the same as AC. "The overall storyline, the developments, will not go wildly out in a way that will not add up to Advent Children in the end, I don't think anyone wanted that; that's not what we're looking to create here.”

[@Mistyfaery]

I hate that Aerith had to die...but wow, the remake is devoid of the emotion that made the original so impactful. The game makers seem to have forgotten the number one rule with movies and animation: Show, don't tell! That' why the og makes you cry but this one is like...oh okay. 😑

[@Nammjahtan]

Also Sephiroth talks way to much. In the OG Sephiroth never just showed up and started monologuing.

[@audriari]

it feels like it has no emotion cause there's a whole sequence before her death thats pretty sad and emotional, i think thats where all the emotion went

[@jamesgravil9162]

@@Nammjahtan "In the OG Sephiroth never just showed up and started monologuing." He did exactly that at the Temple of the Ancients and Aerith's death scene. Monologuing is something evil villains tend to do. I agree that Sephiroth appears far too often in Rebirth, but thankfully most of his appearances are brief.

[@Nammjahtan]

@@jamesgravil9162 That was more an actual conversation then a monologue. Remember Sephiroth knows Cloud. Also I may have given the wrong impression with my prior comment that I in some way thought Sephiroth never talked at all. That was not my intent. As for Sephiroth appearing to much I have to agree. When in Remake Sephiroth showed up in the first 20 minutes I knew I was not going to like some of the changes SquEnix made.

[@volkerball85]

The remake is devoid of a LOT of what made the original game so special, if we're being completely honest. It's made me dread the prospect of a FF6 remake, when at one point, I was practically praying for one. 🤷‍♂

[@ElDrHouse2010]

Maybe Nomura, Kitase & Kojima should retire earlier. Sakaguchi was the only good creative director in all of Square.

[@arvinjay336]

And Sakaguchi was the one who almost bankrupt Square did you forget about that part??

[@danielgeronimo5538]

I prefer the original, more subtle, thus having more impact. Plus it was quite a graphic scene which only drove up the shock value, next only to Celes trying to do her best Assassin's Creed stunt. And this is just the purist in me, but White Materia not being green which is the color of the lifestream really hurts some of the essence. And the blaring loud scoring makes the tender moments lose some impact. The graphics are good, the voice acting, dialogue too I guess, but this ain't it chief

[@astrahcat1212]

I agree with you 💯, but I thought the white materia was to cast holy, and in the end holy didn't stop comet so the souls of the planet stepped in. That's actually one change that makes more sense I think, the white materia being white and black materia being black

[@SplitDecision11]

They could have this so much more compelling

[@shuushirakawa7250]

Men it's so disappointing to see Cloup parry Sephiroth's blade, to realize that "no no you're still screwed, I don't know how, but she's still wounded to death".

[@SSJvegito501]

And not get to see the stabbing either. It's part of what adds to the scene.

[@cnh3109]

I think it's because it's through his POV and he is delusional in thinking he saved her. Him crying and the blood everywhere is what the reality is. He still thinks she's alive by the end too. We will probably see the actual scene in the 3rd game.

[@flanaguero]

It is painful to see how they did almost everything great and superb with Rebirth, even things that we couldn't imagine would be included but screwed up one of the most iconic scenes in the history of videogames. In OG we can see Aerith impaled just in front of our eyes and Sephiroth slowly removing the sword with his evil smile, enjoying the pain he is inflicting. In Rebirth there is this multiverse change of realities where someone who never played OG couldn't understand how or where was Aerith really stabbed so instead of feeling pain for the brutal murder that they have just watched they will be confused about what is happening.

[@cosocosoful]

Wait it out... the scene is REALLY well done too in the remake, it plays with your emotions and the expectation that maybe this time she can be saved, plus we are watching this from Cloud PoV, and he is a unrealiable narrator, im pretty confident we will se her death scene for real in the next part, when his mind is fixed :V

[@absi49]

@@cosocosoful heavily disagree with you,even people that didnt played the og were confused AF by the way this scene unfolded,it was terribly executed dude.

[@ZonnexNecton]

Original Cloud: “Aerith is gone. She will never talk… never… never smile… cry… or get angry… ever again…” 2024 Rebirth Cloud: “lol Alright Aerith. I’ll see you later 🤪 “

[@doctorfresh3856]

The writing is sooooo bad.

[@Polomance862]

2024 is meant to be different. They aren't making you revisit the original game. There's something going on and Cloud is either falling back into denial, or whatever memory issues that are occurring is that Cloud is able to communicate with Aerith's Ghost. I think in some capacity, in the convergence of fate; there is a timeline that Cloud did save Aerith. But his memories cannot meet with reality. But now he also knows that Aerith has a job to do as well. There is comfort that she will prevent Meteor and its to the team that they need to stop Sephiroth. Yes, the emotional weight is less impactful, but we are getting something totally different here. Cloud may be delusional and everything that has happened is just his imagination refusing fate. Or he's stuck between two worlds, seeing all possibilities while his friends don't get to see that same fate. They all witnessed Aerith's death, but Cloud being able to communicate with her ghost grants him far more comfort and reasons to deny what's happened.

[@doctorfresh3856]

@@Polomance862 🙄 OMG! Stop it with the excuses already. The game story telling is horribly done. Just admit it. 🤦

[@danielgeronimo5538]

@@Polomance862And, honestly nobody really cares about that, nobody wants it to be different except in cinematic style or gameplay.

[@Da1337Man]

@@Polomance862Bro, just admit it. They turned Aerith's death scene into absolute dog water. Instead of putting all the focus on her sudden and violent death, they mix the scene up with all manner of bullshit _and even cut her goddamn theme short_ I was enraged at first that the youtube algorithm spoiled me to this, but seeing just how much they shit the bed in this scene now i know for sure i wont be wasting my money on this.

[@ibbesaputra4995]

I know og scene more straight forward, but rebirth show how cloud and tifa reaction. It makes hurt even more 😢

[@Ga-Bo-Ot]

The dellusion make the story more depresing

[@incendiesproductions]

@@Ga-Bo-Ot Especially considering where we know the next game is going to open up...

[@TheNocturnal1]

Copes

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

​@@LuFlame-id7jeReal Fans know that people can have other opinions

[@amuroray9115]

@@066kshitizvsingh4 this is the internet where “real fan” means being a zealot. You can’t have different opinions on here

[@BoolXor]

Why'd they make it so confusing and dumb. The ghosts just seem like a filler element that didn't need to be included.

[@TheRedRaven_]

Pretty much, all they do is convolute the story when the story is the same (at this point).

[@krkr120]

Rather than saying she's definitely dead like in the original, it seems like she's foreshadowing nuances such as being alive in a different universe or something like that. I guess we'll only find out once the final work comes out, but I'll still have to wait and see.

[@incendiesproductions]

Presumably because they're integrating this into Cloud's impending breakdown at the Northern Crater, by showcasing that Cloud is repressing his memories of what actually happened here with Aerith the same way he previously did with Zack.

[@TheRedRaven_]

@@krkr120 And that’s what takes away from her death, knowing there’s another version of her alive and well. Classic multiverse crap that weakens any characters story.

[@BoolXor]

@@incendiesproductions I understand the story from the original but you'd have no idea of what that was supposed to be without playing Final Fantasy 7 OG. I guess it makes sense when you look at the first installment in how it took pretty consistent plot points that were conveyed well in the original and stretched them out while also having the weird plot ghosts for no reason. Its like it can't choose whether it is a sequel or remake. You've played through the first game but to someone who hasn't, this is just a mess. I would find it hard to see what is left to wonder about for the next game unless I know about the events at the end of the original game.

[@janedoe3280]

Has to be said, this version of events Sucks compared to the original, The tragedy of Aerith's death in the original is turned into some multiple universe bullshit to keep ambiguity as high as possible to try to sell as many copies of the third installment as possible, A complete travesty and an obscene disgrace to the original

[@TehReasoning]

Makes zero sense snd whispers plus timeline dimensions makes it awful writing. If you're kill her then do it like the original straight forward and simple but if you're going to save her or let her live this time around then make it a alternative story which is fine by me too. People will still eat it up if she lives.

[@CADinitials]

Original: my heart hurts Rebirth: my head hurts

[@Disco_DM3]

As someone who has never played the original or either of the remakes.... I have NO IDEA WTF is going on with the story anymore LMAO

[@absi49]

this scene was super confusing and terribly executed

[@ha5541]

@@absi49this scene? More like the entire goddamn game

[@Dsnipa26]

After how terrible the last 30min of the last game was I knew they'd do it again. OG 100x better, polygons included. Rip

[@ha5541]

@@Dsnipa26 seriously. The current games are so slow paced, have stupid plots, and has repetitive ass combat. The old game might have looked ugly but it did literally EVERYTHING better aside from graphics. Whoever wrote the script for the new FF7 remake games and decided to deviate from the original game needs to seriously be sent to a North Korean prison for ruining massive potential.

[@danylunny8142]

Expect a Kingdom Hearts convulsed storyline, courtesy of Nomura. The original one was from Kazushige Nojima and Yoshinori Kitase, easily better writers than Nomura.

[@BruDuoable]

So this time Cloud can interact and communicate with Aerith's ghost. Others cannot. Interesting twist. Part 3 will be very interesting.

[@alexc.7375]

Pretty sure that's how they are just portraying Cloud's fractured mind. Zack's timeline and Aerith are just in his head.

[@gerardoyanes9851]

They got post trauma

[@playerback7722]

​@@alexc.7375true

[@Samuel_Loegan]

​@@alexc.7375 dude, Zack's timeline and Aerith being in Cloud's head makes it even more depressing and messed up

[@mrskye08]

​@@alexc.7375more like the entire remake trilogy is to explain why he kept seeing aerith in advent children. He really did save her in one of the timelines, then when the timelines merged only he can see the aerith he saved.

[@gothmedli]

she took a nap cuz she had a little tummy ache nothing else happened nothing else happened she’s fine she’s picking flowers the sun is bright but i can’t look towards it cuz she doesn’t like that sky but it’s fine anyway where’s sephiroth

[@komerihimura]

Cloud in his schizophrenic episode

[@GuiltyHonklerv2]

Thanks for the spoiler warning, Really helpful when the thumbnail is an image of Aerith's death scene in both the orignal and Rebirth, 200 IQ move

[@xxZodxx]

I think I get it now. This is where the two worlds merged. Cloud is part of the world where he saved Aerith, which is why he can see her and the split in the sky at the end of Rebirth and the others in the party are part of the world where Aerith was stabbed and killed. Which is why they see her covered in blood and can no longer see her at the end of the game, nor the split in the sky.😮

[@xwf80]

I don't think Aerith is dead in this version. Watch the video carefully. There wasn't blood on the blade, then the zipzap begins and there was, suggest it might be what Sephiroth wanted him to see. The same goes when Sephiroth swing his sword to get the blood flying, when it reaches Cloud, the zipzap happened, but there are no blood on Cloud after. From Tifa's vision, we can see the floor and Aerith's hand toggle between blooded floor, hand; and clean floor, hand. As such, i'm quite sure Aerith didn't get stab by Sephiroth. Especially so when you sum up what Sephiroth have been doing, he always say the exact words and do teh exact thing to get Cloud choosing a different path. I don't think he actually want to kill Aerith in this timeline. In conclusion, i think Aerith might have passed out due to exhaustion from the prayer.

[@back2back379]

😂

[@James-sn5mg]

No she's dead. The Zipzap thingy is to show the perspective or vision of reality and illusion. Cloud had fake identity since the beginning of the game and he was pretty much living in illusion. The Jenova cells in him causes that. Aerith being alive is the vision of Cloud who is still in delusion. Aerith being dead is the vision of reality, what everyone else besides Cloud sees

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Denial

[@TheNightofWalpurgis666]

The remake version introduces and clutters so many shit in one moment that it takes a way lot of emotional impact on the death scene. To be frank, I'm more confused on what's going on. This where "less is more" could apply, but I guess they can't resist spectacles.

[@volkerball85]

My friends and I call that "The Nomura Effect." 😐

[@doctorfresh3856]

GOTY Contender. Lol.

[@pipboysandlightsabers5478]

@@volkerball85Nomura didn’t direct or write this game

[@volkerball85]

@@pipboysandlightsabers5478 He's listed as "Creative Director" for Rebirth, which means that scenes like these and the themes and presentation therein are under his purview.

[@Marauding_Llama]

KZbin puts this video on my home page for some reason. Thanks for putting the spoilers in the title, I guess.

[@eaglefan020S]

I really hate the way they killed Aerith in this game. Rather than making it a very emotional and sad moment, they made it the most confusing moment in the whole game. They could've just had her killed the same way or another way but they really missed the mark on this one.

[@Coldsilfur4]

My god are you all that stupid? Its pretty clear.. and i still cried..

[@lenajohnson6179]

This is really just a complete downgrade. It's super edgy and and dramatic and bombastic and everything dumb about how we do our media today... vs what was a solemn and tragic moment in the original. So many fate ghosts and plot twists all vying together to remove the scene from all of its real emotional impact and weight. They aren't remaking FF7, they're smearing shit all over it.

[@amuroray9115]

This doesn’t represent how everyone makes media today. What a bizarre claim. So many stories today aren’t this convoluted or confusing

[@danielgeronimo5538]

I dunno, I don't see this kind of clever stupidity anywhere else. It might be stupid but it's a unique kind of stupid. Still stupid though

[@lenajohnson6179]

@@amuroray9115 It's a pretty solid example of the problem with re-make bloat tbh... you see it all the time, for every Resident Evil 2 remake.... you get like a dozen FF7 remakes that simply paste their overstuffed turds over the top of a better, simpler story.

[@amuroray9115]

@@lenajohnson6179 which other remakes are as convoluted as this?

[@danielgeronimo5538]

@@lenajohnson6179 Lol RE2 is a bad example because if anything it's less complex compared to the original where you have numerous kinds of scenarios to make a more complex run of the game.

[@Pulse4664]

i shouldnt warn for spoilers if ur here, but im a considerate person and cant help myself...******SPOIILEREEERRRS****** i felt sorrow at original games loss of aerith, but absolutely nothing in rebirth. i was more calculating the multi-world-like state of his mind and i felt so dumb and confused i was unable to empathize this loss, and by the time i figured it out, cloud was crazy to be able speak to her while dead so technically she never left him, which made him seem heartless to tifa and barret for being able to move on so quickly. i think they should have ended the games fights on jenova experiment and let there be a movie ending...where they cut to black after aerith gets stabbed...and the materia drop was the signal to cut to black leaving the gamers on a SUPER cliffhanger. then do all the confusing answering of what happened in the beginning of part 3 where gamers are so excited to listen, they'd be excited due to hype of games release, no ones patience would be burned.

[@earlpKa]

2024 has too much dialogue. While 1997 delivered it in a way that captured the audience felt like it lost someone close. Aeris really died watching her eyes react as her soul left her body. 2024 pixies was just too much.

[@miguelarcachero6103]

Shinn Asuka:"Same, but different!"

[@user-gh6qh6xt7z]

You can tell that Sephiroth wanted cloud to attack him to save Aerith so he could create another possibilities. My guesses is the more posibilities(a new timeline was created) Sephiroth created to more godlike he became aka become eternal. In short like every anime villian all Sephiroth wanted to concore fate and destinies itself. Not that im complaining.

[@mettatonneoex]

Or as I like to call it. He did a Sonic and The Black Knight Reference by wanting to make an Eternal Timeline (Eternity). A true FINAL FANTASY (7)

[@user-gh6qh6xt7z]

@@mettatonneoex That means he can now rewrite any failures. If Sephiroth fail he can switch the realities/possibilities where he succeed on the spot. Like UNO reverse card. Even scarier at will.

[@mettatonneoex]

@@user-gh6qh6xt7z basically Maruki's Reality from Persona 5 Royal but there is no illusion. It's all there

[@OgaleriNogard]

We'll really have to wait to see it in the third part.

[@JaredLB1990]

Her death in Rebirth doesn't seem to carry nearly any of the same weight that the original did. When she dies in the original, we're kind of plagued with that sad song that plays even during the boss battle, whereas Rebirth immediately keeps shifting between sad and action, which doesn't keep us in the same emotional range as the original did. We also didn't expect her death in the original, which made it all the more heavy; but in Rebirth, everyone kind of knows that it might be coming...but we still don't even know if she actually died or not, which makes it even less impactful. In the original, it was kind of like, "it's official...she's gone." Here, we're like, "umm...is she gone?"

[@matth6163]

Sephiroth: Your tears are empty Cloud: THEY ARE REAL TO ME!!!!

[@whatwhat98]

I could do without all the wisps (or whatever they are) constantly flying around, I could do without the static distortion effects distracting me from what's supposed to be a heartbreaking scene. And just let them show the blood from. Stop switching back and forth from no blood to there being a pool of blood.

[@CheezDoodlezz]

Truly the death scene of all time

[@rcslyman8929]

Almost. "The ship. Out of danger?"

[@evials9123]

"You still owe me a pizza"

[@aditiyabudi4869]

did you guys removed Aerith equipment and materia on her already? 😢

[@hameed]

Everything from temple on feels like it was developed and written by a completely different team. Not that rebirth didn’t have its issues, but it all felt extra bad from that point on. As well as the EXTREMELY long final boss fights that were back to back to back to back to back I was ready for it to be over

[@robsonbarbosa7331]

Why give spoilers in the title and thumb of the video? I want to know when KZbin will create a reporting category for this type of conduct.

[@nxt2219]

Creator is a piece of shit, and YT's algo recommends this when searching for general strategy guides for the game. I reported for terrorism, hope you get demonetized dickhead

[@Shyreenify]

I hate these damn ghosts. Instead of having some quiet impactul scene of grief these stupid things fly around and ruin the vibe. 1997 version is way better in every aspect. They really fumbled the bag here

[@davidqi5608]

This is what happens when you have no one to tame Nomura, when Sakaguchi was in control, he was able to take Nomura's over-complicated ideas and turn it into a timeless classic. Masters can tell complicated stories in a simple manner, Nomura on the other hand just go nuts with it. The original game was a mental patient's road to recovery and self rediscovery, Rebirth on the other hand is just Cloud getting crazier by the second and no hope of recovery...

[@danielgeronimo5538]

Except, this isn't apparently Nomura's work

[@davidqi5608]

You clearly don't understand how a project like this is created.@@danielgeronimo5538

[@danielgeronimo5538]

​@@davidqi5608More like you don't understand how a project like this is created. Because if you do, you won't be blaming Nomura. His vision might be a mixbag, but it wasn't him that pushed this garbage of a route. Try and understand that a game has multiple directors before you lecture me about not being able to understand project such as this

[@danylunny8142]

The original scene is so sad and good that the remake didn't even bother to try it again.

[@cordata008]

Oh, they are definitely not killing her. With all the multiverse/timeline crap they are setting, it's obvious they are gonna come up with something to keep her around. I mean, why'd they do this otherwise? If they're gonna end up with "but no matter the universe, she was always destined to die!", then they should have not bothered to add all of the spectacle and stick to the original story. It's much more engaging than this bullshit.

[@astrahcat1212]

Did you know, Evangelion had come out at the time, because Hideki Anno was disillusioned and believed kids needed to learn lessons on life death and depression early on. There was also The Land Before Time, The Lion King, etc... The lessons for kids taught in the original was of life, loss and doing what needs to be done. The Remake now they can say naughty rated R words, yet can't stick to the point, life and loss, it's very very strange, because kids movies and FF7 were doing this, and Remake seems like it can't find it's footing as to its demographic. I agree with Anno, kids need to be exposed to and understand pain and suffering early on, and through entertainment, it helps as a mechanism of emotional and spiritual reflection. So, with that said, we can see that Rebirth is pretty bad and feels like cheap fanfiction, but the pretty high budget graphics can hypnotize is for a little while

[@xestalfer5774]

@astrahcat1212 On the contrary, they're going be to exploring a deeper understanding of grief. There is a reason why Cloud's dialogue was omitted, there's a reason why we couldn't see Cloud lowering Aerith down the pool. A reason why that her death didnt affect him at all... and most importantly why it didnt affect US. Cloud is 100% in denial bro. Capital "D" Dabda of the 5 stages of grief. We arent sad the same way he isnt, we thought she didnt die. In the OG we were simply the audience. In Rebirth, we might just quite literally be Cloud. We will get all those sappy montages, that Nubuo Uematsu original sadness inducing music, the real event that took place in that forgotten capital in a scene or event in part 3 that Cloud will finally capital "A" Accept that truth of her death. Exploring the underrated side to grief almost never touched upon in Videogame media. Hopefully anyway as it happens I have an Omori pfp lmao, its coincidence trust me

[@cordata008]

@@xestalfer5774 I understand where you come from. To display Cloud's denial by making him still see Aerith after her death is pretty interesting way to explore his grief. The problem is all the other convoluted aspects that are mixed in this. The alternate universes, the ghosts, like what exactly do these things add to this moment; hell, what do they add to the overall theme of the story? Just confusion? We might eventually get a decent explanation for this but for me it really dilutes what the game is trying to say. And if the devs are indeed planning to add the "sappy" moments down the road, then that would be terrible storytelling imo. THIS is the moment where grief is felt at its most intense, it's the moment where we see the impact of her death by watching how the other characters react to it. It's what makes this moment so emblematic.

[@xestalfer5774]

@cordata008 I believe plot ghosts couldve been better implemented. For me, the decision to remake ff7 to not be 1 for 1 is the devs intention to celebrate it with the veteran fans and not just newcomers. By the end of remake veterans have this intrigue that Aerith might live (for better or worse, but the point is her fate being not so conclusive) so instead of a 1 for 1 remake where veterans alredy the accepts the fact. They instead relive the ptsd in real time, vets and newcomers included. But again the plot ghosts couldve been executed much better. They have evidently made the forgotten capital part into an "event" or "plot device". Because for the longest time even for fans, that whole sequence stuck with them. You see her pose and the background and the OG cutscene and you go "Yoo! Its the thing! He's doing the thing!" you remember the scene as both the shock of killing *and* the sad death itself. So its hard to be sad as someone who's alredy seen it before. So I think its good that they separate the killing part and the grief part. The real exploration of grief, wherein everyone gets to react to it is later on the 3rd game, where its all going to be built up much better maybe to the point of hammering it in your face (provided it is executed well) If it is true that Advent Children connects to Remake trilogy then Cloud being so emo by AC would transition much better if that impact he had was all towards the end. Because originally, it was FF7, then she dies, he moseys, pretty much snowboarded and move on but then he all of the sudden acted like he never moved on from her death by AC So i say let them cook This might all just be copium on my part but either this is the final approach of a long build up or this is the only realistic way to salvage it, after thinking long and hard about it

[@cordata008]

@@xestalfer5774 I'm with you. I'm not against a retelling of the OG story. I remember listening/reading a comment made by Nomura (I think) saying that he wondered whether killing Aerith off was the right choice. A game focusing on that idea would be very, very interesting to me and I believe that's the direction they are going with the remake. But they way they are going about it is not sitting well with me. It's as if they want to keep the OG's story but then they add all these elements that complicate the story without improving it. Like think about it; you "get shocked" by these new plot twists ONLY if you have played the OG. Otherwise it's just a confusing mess. Remake just doesn't deviate enough from the original to stand on its own feet. "its hard to be sad as someone who's alredy seen it before" to you perhaps LOL. I still get misty eyed when I replay that part heh. Speaking of which, I had forgotten about the devs' intentions to connect Cloud's grief in AC with the original. If they intend to leave Cloud heartbroken and lost at then end of the trilogy; well, that doesn't sound like a satisfying end for Cloud (and Tifa) story arc, don't you think? Even worse, the ending might feel incomplete since the "real" resolution of the game is in the movie. I'm being a bit too pessimistic perhaps but after seeing what they have done so far, I'm unsure they will deliver a good story (still curious tho!)

[@samirrivera8797]

Tbh. Due to plot reasons, I don’t think these scenes are comparable. While the OG is meant to be about loss, the Rebirth scene is meant to be about fate/ what this new trilogy’s overall plot is about, involving multiple worlds and different choices colliding. The remake is a sequel I believe. We are not meant to feel sad this time around but wonder at this new mystery Sephiroth has wrought 2 very different things are happening. Despite similar visuals, these are not the same plot scene.

[@mothingham]

totally! it's unfair to make a 1:1 comparison when these 2 versions of the game aren't even telling the same story. it was still sad as hell, though.

[@Revenant1128]

Looks like ther could be clash of time and reality for this version of FF7. Playing in Cloud's broken mind may emphasized this even more.

[@jmsambhm_00]

I love the original one that she just dies without any sort of effect, just a stab. And that's quite a disappointing point that they remade it a bit messy. Still, love those both game equally, cannot wait for Remake Part 3

[@velvet_victor]

So there’s blood on the floor but not on her dress?

[@fleeplayTV]

because cloud is deluded and is not accepting reality, you can when tifa is running in you see the blood that's there but it cloud's mind there's no blood because he saved her

[@astrahcat1212]

​@fleeplayTV I think it's more so a 3d Modelling problem

[@agilfikriawan658]

Where is your phoenix down cloud did you drop it again?

[@strat0caster124]

I think their plan was simple. First, make you think you can rewrite her fate this time, so first showing Cloud deflecting Sephiroth's sword. But then telling you "No, the destiny didn't change THAT much" and Aerith still dies. They know you remember the sorrow in the OG game, so they weren't trying to make you feel the same thing this time but something different, like anger "I thought you'd save her SE!" and regret "Damn! Why did you show the scene where Cloud saves her if it's not real!". But then they tell you through Aerith's lines that "It's okay, Cloud (player)", and later in the dream dating scene "Whatever happens, don't blame yourself (because we intended this to still happen, something changed but not this and not now)". Come to think of it, No Promises to Keep in some ways also means that "we didn't promise you we'd save Aerith in Part 2 this time". And because it is said through Aerith, I'll believe it. So it'll be fine, Cloud will be crazy for a bit but once he gathers himself I think a lot of the twists and plots will get resolved (including Zack's timeline which is a whole other mess). Something that I'm almost certain of, the Aerith and Cloud in Zack's timeline will most certainly wake up. Not like they did in the Sector 5 dating scene, but truly wake up. I think that's what they were hinting at all along with all the "worlds part but can meet again" thing. Straightforward hope, a bit too much maybe, but at least straightforward. And unless SE wants to F around and put their entire reputation on the table, I think they'd do something about it and give players a truly good ending in the 3rd part. I certainly hope so. Aerith and Zack both went through too much as pure, uplifting, and likable characters as they are.

[@jamesgravil9162]

"Come to think of it, No Promises to Keep in some ways also means that "we didn't promise you we'd save Aerith in Part 2 this time"." Wow. Can't believe I didn't think of that.

[@volkerball85]

Mostly this scene just made me feel like Tetsuya Nomura needs to get back on his ADHD meds.

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

"I think they'd do something about it and give players a truly good ending in the 3rd part. I certainly hope so. Aerith and Zack both went through too much as pure, uplifting, and likable characters as they are." Thereby undermining the themes of loss and sacrifice that the original story did so well.

[@QuestBboy]

Just get rid of those black and white fate ghost things i think they are pointless and confusing.

[@HDY2024]

massive fumble trying to have it both ways, either cut the whispers out completely and leave it as it was, or have the balls to go through with the change. Imagine they let us save her and then we lose at the end because she isnt in the lifestream and we got played by Multiverse sephiroth. game looks amazing gameplay and graphics wise but why did they have to butcher the story with multiverse .....

[@chaerithbestgirl]

OG = this scene will make you cry Rebirth = the ending scene is the one that'll make you cry. Both are AMAZING

[@kennethaizn1763]

It really breaks my heart to experience this again, now in 4k reso.

[@solemijo7860]

Original was magical and sad, I loved Aerith and her death was devastating. But in remake she is alive in different universe, so it will be interesting. Maybe she can be with Cloud or Zack 😊

[@tiffanyillig48]

No offense but I would rather see Aerith dead. She knows she gonna die and she wants to sacrifice herself for her friends and being with earth. She the one who saved Earth from the meteorite.

[@solemijo7860]

@@tiffanyillig48 there are three timeline. She can be alive in One?

[@jacobham9427]

Why can't they just simply leave the game alone to it's original story line and just update the graphics. Doing this kinda crap just ruins the classic story line and the history of the game. It was 3 disks of impactful story with tragic events, what else do you need. Oh I forgot that story line isn't good enough for new players. I hate the way they redid this game. Express your thoughts and tell everyone on the things you liked or hated about this remake so far.

[@CBGamer4K]

Al parecer no soy el único que piensa de este modo. Gracias por ser sincero y no dejarte llevar por modas. En mi caso estoy rejugando el original con mods para que gráficamente luzca mejor, pero lo que han hecho con el remake es innombrable. En mi caso jugué la primera parte y me costó mucho terminarlo, pues no me sentí identificado ni se parecía en casi nada al original. Un saludo y siempre nos quedarán los juegos originales que merecían tanto nuestro tiempo ;)

[@death__ray]

Par de viejos

[@kei7540]

Cool don't play it then

[@astrahcat1212]

They made it streamer friendly : /

[@arvinjay336]

@jacobham9427 then maybe you should PLAY THE GAME instead of just watching this comparison you are getting your emotions on one scene lol

[@KusanagiShirou]

Who left these damn onions in here?! My eyes man!!

[@Panndiita]

I'M CRYING!!!

[@katiepersons6575]

We couldn't even go 24 hours before youtubers started putting spoilers for Rebirth in thumbnails and titles.

[@zach177]

Yeah it’s a sad world we live in. People don’t want to be surprised anymore

[@lafleur9277]

Report him, I did!

[@Dino-po1wi]

Luckily avoided all spoilers

[@glennjosechristman4612]

FF7 > A cinematic masterpiece. FF7 Rebirth > That was just drug trips, bro.

[@ullaluloo8925]

Next game will be FF7 Rehab

[@glennjosechristman4612]

@@ullaluloo8925 Makes sense, if you remembered how Tifa saved Cloud's soul by finding and/or reconstructing his former or original memories and/or personalities in the original PSX game.

[@ullaluloo8925]

@@glennjosechristman4612 nah I was only joking about the title Rehab coz I thought its funny but if you’re asking me, My guess is FF7 REunite coz someday they’ll unite with Zack again

[@glennjosechristman4612]

@@ullaluloo8925 FF7 Reunion.

[@ullaluloo8925]

@@glennjosechristman4612 could be but we have that already in Crisis Core

[@fishygal53]

The director of the game really wanted fans to debate on whats going on. And they truly achieved it. Hmmm i wld have accepted that aerith used lifestream to appear herself to Cloud but now they are introducing different timelines so the possibility that a different Aerith stepped in..urgh the ending where Cloud stuck the black materia onto his sword really got me tho

[@danielgeronimo5538]

Okay, everyone is now in chaos of what's going on. But the question is, is this all really necessary? Half of the fanbase just wants to see FFVII in a new light, not fight one another on who's right or wrong. And this doesn't even do justice about the newcomers of the franchise, because they are not gonna see a pure version of what happened.

[@tiffanyillig48]

Does that make the real Aerith getting killed again by Seporiah. Because we see Aerith real body in a coma.

[@ryukthegodofdeath5906]

I liked how in rebirth they kept mostly faithful with the camera angling

[@masamune2984]

Even if they give us the “full, proper” scene in part 3, that still doesn’t change the fact that they REALLY dropped the ball on this scene for now. No wonder Nomura said he was losing sleep over the controversial changes to this games ending; they (for now) ruined one of the most legendary scenes in gaming history.

[@treytavares1727]

This sucks. Fighting sephiroth every game sucks. Sephiroth showing up so much he might as well be a party member sucks. This remake is ass.

[@danielgeronimo5538]

Wasn't it that way in the original though except there he was less obnoxious about things

[@mattias46]

@@danielgeronimo5538 that’s how I remember it more or less, but it was never the real him you were fighting, just him possessing the men in black robes, as well as jenova

[@markusklein7222]

They fuc. ked up big time so sad. What a mess of a scene Jesus how can you f uck up one of the most iconic moments in gaming this bad congrats square🎉🎉

[@TheDukeofGinge]

Honestly I had visions of this not happening till the start of part 3. Though they might have left it on a cliff hanger for like 4 years.

[@kojisune]

this is so depressing she was my favorite

[@Acesinz]

Hope she comes back & marries Cloud 😢

[@kevinstarr6022]

A scene which will always live in infamy R.I.P Aerith....again. 😭

[@Zefiro151]

I curse you for spoiling that to me with the thumbnail. I'm not even watching the video.

[@GianGamer07]

I have a lot of mixed feelings, on one hand I feel that they ruined Aerith's death with so much timeline stuff and so much battle, it's not as shocking as the original but on the other hand I want to see what madness they are going to come up with in part 3, I still don't really like what they are doing in this trilogy but I want to know how it ends.

[@KennyCleod]

Then stop complaining geez.

[@KingLeonidas_300]

og 100x better

[@Cyber7777]

no shit