Aermacchi MB339 Vs F/A-18C Hornet Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Merch Store: teespring.com/stores/growling-sidewinder-store MB339 Mod/download: www.freccetricolorivirtuali.net/ So the MB-339 is actually a pretty decent dogfighter, unless someone uses vertical against you at that point you're kind of out of options. So I guess be careful in a turn fight against this thing its actually pretty annoying and can be a real pain in the ass, on the other hand this aircraft is a great trainer if you're new to DCS and you're looking to train with something that's actually real well modeled, I highly recommend this mod, its free, its simple and its well made. Also, The Winners of the ED giveaway are PilatusPilot, Danro and Laskan. Your names, emails and modules of choice have been sent to ED and they will now take over the process of sending you your modules Congratulations to all 3 winners. Big thank you to Masterjay for helping with this video and thank you to all of you for watching.

[@KJ-kn8pg]

What happened to the giveaway?

[@abdulmismail]

Bit concerned because this Mod is a .exe file as opposed to a file which can be extracted from a .rar and dropped into Mods > Aircraft.

[@williamwimmer5473]

This versus the Harrier would be a super interesting fight to see

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@abdulmismail i've done it and scanned it, its safe.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@KJ-kn8pg the giveaway winners are posted in this pinned comment.

[@TLTeo]

Fun fact: the MB-339 actually flies as an aggressor in the Italian air force, often doing DACT against Typhoons, Harriers, F-35s (soon?) and Tornadoes. If you google hard enough, you can find pictures of them having Typhoon kill markings painted on the nose :)

[@shapiro5000]

If this flight model is accurate I can see why it's used for DACT and why it has impressive upset kills. Gotta say I'm surprised how well this thing turned. I didn't know much about it but considering thrust and max speed I thought there was no way this could compete with a 4th gen. If I were against it I would have lost hard from underestimating it and have to restart a few times before I was out of shock!

[@TLTeo]

@@shapiro5000 The FM should be fairly close (with the usual DCS caveats of course), the FTV went a long way to model things like stall characteristics, departures and even high-G turns, because they are all important in their aerobatic program. They even had actual Frecce Tricolori pilots test it. I'm very excited for when it's released as full fidelity! But yeah, I read a few articles where they described some of these fights, and basically the MB-339 pulls one hard turn trying to shoot the Typhoon in the face post merge. If the Typhoon can avoid that and fight in the vertical, then it's a free kill, otherwise it's a pretty dangerous opponent.

[@matty82003]

Here in Italy the ITAF uses the Mb339 as a trainer aircraft...😊

[@SebaXeneize]

Wait but isn’t Italy an ally to nato or is part of nato?

[@C4CHopeless]

@@SebaXeneize Italy is a part of NATO. By "aggressor," they are referring to pilots who act as an adversary in training missions. In the USAF, they have dedicated aggressor squadrons with F-16s and F-15s painted in Soviet camoflauge schemes. Other countries also have pilots trained as aggressors, with the sole purpose of training newer pilots how to engage in air combat and to teach tactics. If you've ever seen the movie Top Gun, Jester and Viper flying in A-4s were the aggressors for Maverick's class.

[@fidem15893]

Sidewinder, this is the plane of the Frecce Tricolori. And in your hands is a weapon to respect.

[@pilout8637]

Ok

[@sule.A]

Alpha jet

[@Junker_1]

@@sule.A Patrouille de France use alpha jets. The frecce use this plane. They are great.

[@zoots15]

Viva Italia!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Haha thanks buddy little bit of luck never hurt anyone

[@SidiVici]

During Falkland war, in a lonely scout reconnaissance flight, one Aermachi came across the English landing at San Carlos and its cover-guard screen of ships, so he decided to engage, and took out frigate HMS Argonaut radar, along other damage, during an attack with cannon fire and rockets. Owen Crippa was the pilot.

[@aragracian]

Actually the mission was for two planes but the other aermacci had a problem and couldn take off on time thats why Crippa engaged alone and after the attack escape.flying low level between the british fleet.knowing that it was the safest way because ships wont shoot at each other. He also make a sketch of the taskforce.on his knee pad

[@jemarcatubig3171]

the ministry of defense just decided to decomission hornets and emplot aermacchis on their carriers after seeing this. hahahaha

[@tachyonzero]

you mean F-35 on the one Italian Carrier Cavour for Aermacchis

[@jwilder47]

I'd love to see that hornet vs. spitfire matchup you mentioned

[@conker4311]

external sounds are really cool dude

[@sebastianpolcyn6358]

Yea, they really amp up the intensity of the fight

[@Mako-sz4qr]

Is something that needs to be turned on in options? I don’t hear the difference. Thx

[@francoguzzo2406]

You have chosen the Argentine version of the Aermacchi MB-339. It's like it's an honor to our pilots.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

I'm hearing you guys might be buying JF-17s soon! I really would like to see Argentina regain some defense prowess. It's such a beautiful country and should be able to protect its sovereignty. The UK may come to regret holding a grudge and forcing Argentina to turn to China for defense hardware.

[@ORMA1]

Italian roots, as you has, I suppose... 👋🇮🇹

[@francoguzzo2406]

@@ORMA1 The plane is manufactured in Italy. Bought and used in the Malvinas war by Argentina and if you look at minute 3:12 the pilot's helmet has the Argentine flag. The insignia under the wings are from the Argentine Navy

[@ORMA1]

@@francoguzzo2406 I know, dear friend, I spent my childhood in an italian military airport (Galatina). Your surname seems to be italian too...

[@pablo-iu3lv]

@@ORMA1 30 % de los argentinos somos descendientes de italianos

[@basicforge]

Makes me wonder how an A-10 would do against a Hornet.

[@giannizen3775]

Real bad

[@fishie3799]

The A10 is a jalopy compared to the Hornet, it would get destroyed.

[@nicholaswilson9724]

Grew up under an ANG training area in NH, and once saw A-10s dogfight what I *think* were hornets (too high and lightly painted against the sky to get a visual) but the A-10s looked like they were doing well... would be nice to know how they actually did ;)

[@stcredzero]

At lower speeds, they can own! The problem, is that if the Hornet is aware of their low speed turns, they can just go fast and use the vertical. This is a common pattern with modern fighters against attack aircraft.

[@gkcooper]

In a one circle fight, the A-10 wins. No one can turn with a Hog.

[@MikeBabsBC]

There you are, just driving to work and a freaking Hornet crashes and burns right in front of you!!!! Unfortunately, you are late due to the ensuing traffic jam. Your boss is actually buying your story right up to the part where you tell him the Hornet was shot down by a MB339!

[@JDuBz815]

12:08 cue GS killing a Hornet while flying his Paper Plane.

[@Marco-px5be]

1982 Owen Grippa a argentine navy pilot was the first to attack british ships at San Carlos bay using 5 in rockets and 30mm gusn, the very same MB339 that you have simulated. It was a reconnaissance misson, not in his mind!

[@jaime1652]

In Spain we have F18's and we use C-101's as agressors as well as training aircrafts. Pilots call the C-101 "hornet killer". It may be nice to see that fight in DCS.

[@juanbah]

In Malvinas War, the morning of may 21, 1982, Leutenent Owen Crippa, a naval pilot fron the Argentinian Navy, knocked out the HMS Argonaut flying one of these aircraft (aermacchi mb339) using only his 30mm cannons and non guided rockets. Then, he escaped flying among the entire english fleet (more than 20 ships) that were in the Strait of San Carlos, without being shot down. Yes, it's a plane that was not designed for combat, but in the right hands is capable of any feat, as in your case. Amazing video, i always watch your channel. And eternal glory to the Argentinian pilots and soldiers who fought in that war.

[@sosoa2514]

I didn't believe my eyes when I saw the notification, but when he killed him I was done 😂😂

[@rickmasseur2008]

GS, I'm going to start calling you The Professor. You are schooling some dogfights!! I have noticed extra sounds, too. Like when I'm on the SC, starting up the Hornet, I hear something like metal creaking as I start to roll to the cat. Pretty cool stuff.

[@skyward_moon9355]

I love how tactical and calm you are, not to mention you’re so very humble. An amazing person for sure

[@ДушманКакдела]

It's just a game

[@abdulsaboorraza6691]

Its not the machine that matters, its the man behind the machine.

[@mostevil1082]

I keep seeing this comment. Pretty disrespectful to those lost in 1941 to the FW190 before the allied aircraft caught up.... Countless examples from other conflicts. A good pilot may beat a bad one in a superior machine. But the technology definitely matters.

[@Mesamedusa]

@@mostevil1082 You can always find disrespect if you are looking this hard... well done, I guess...

[@georgetaylor8654]

This is also becoming an official module, Crazy good

[@adbell3364]

The external sounds add an entirely new dimension to the fight!

[@samobergant]

Surprising, yet great content as always! MB339 v BAE Hawk would be fun fun to watch btw.

[@javiercosta3307]

In the Malvinas war one MB339 piloted by Owen Crippa (COAN) attack with guns and rockets the british ship HMS Argonaut (Leander class) causing some damage including in her radar, his plane used the same camouflage pattern that figured in the video

[@ramtin-s8722]

Never knew I needed those external sounds but now I do

[@Gargoloso]

And that is why trainers are so widely used by aerobatic teams. Do C-101 vs MB-339, the two mediterraneans, please.

[@DIVeltro]

Wow...I really didn't think you could pull that off....very well done!!

[@cloakedsniper5016]

I think I now understand why air to air cannons have such a high rate of fire! Good fight!

[@abdussamiali2166]

Never heard of this plane before, thanks for educating me GS

[@mark82101]

watch italian acrobat team "Frecce Tricolori" ;)

[@dioad1739]

Love your honesty dude and respect.

[@abdussamiali2166]

@@dioad1739 thanks man I appreciate the compliment, means a lot

[@sule.A]

Alpha jet

[@EndTimeDreams]

New Zealand had the MB339-CB model that had modern avionics, Head up display, and could carry sidewinder and maverick. When we got the first one we put it up against 4 strike master jets just for fun and it shot down all 4 of them.

[@tothsoma5636]

GS in a trainer jet: *pop* *pop* Hornet: aight imma head out

[@Junker_1]

Growling Sidewinder. Thanks for all the content this year. All great stuff in these dark days and horrible year. I wish you happy and safe holidays.

[@robgraham5697]

Cool to see such an obscure aircraft in combat. Thanks for this.

[@kostaskoutsoulas4672]

GOTTA LOVE THE BBRRRRRT!! Awesome sound additions!

[@smrdamudic47]

Great pilotskill,as always. There is just some unique beauty in flying those less known aircraft,such as this

[@tombstone4362]

Every time they update the sounds, you think it cant get better, then they surprise us again. The sound is spectacular.

[@kaim4210]

I just had a power outage in South Africa while trying to play dcs, thank god for growling sidewinders 🔥 uploads a I can now entertain myself 😁😁😁

[@ORMA1]

Gorgeous! Aermacchi 339 was an improvement of old 326 trainer, projected in 1957!

[@fenny1578]

Next up, C-101CC vs Bf-109s.

[@jcbraka3771]

Hohohohohohohoho!!!! I bet on the "Gustav"

[@flakmagnet2]

Plz no. dont do the C-101 like that. It deserves better

[@jcbraka3771]

@@flakmagnet2 This plane aka 'El Culopollo' has a superb and steady low speed handling and it has more thrust to weight ratio than the MB339. However, in guns only match, the advantage in a thight turn is oftenly for the propeller driven plane (AH-1 vs Mig-21, Mig-19). It would be an excelent video for the channel...

[@ethanphilp8220]

Hasn’t even started and I’m loving it

[@robstone4537]

During the Angolan Bush war South African Aeromacchis killed a pair of Cuban Mi-8 helicopters. The huge speed difference almost caused the jets to overshoot and they had to pull up vertical, roll inverted, dive down and get off a short burst.

[@timsullivan4566]

I wonder if the key advantage to the 339 lies in the fact that - although probably every modern opponent has a killing edge - upon FIRST encountering the 339, enemies may fatally underestimate the maneuverability of this feisty little fighter! Fun fight!

[@carltanner9065]

Hornet pilot parachutes to ground, gets rescued and goes back to base for debriefing. His squadron commander then announce to everyone "Yep, you heard right, he had his ass handed to him by a beer can with wings!!!" :D :P :P :P

[@captaindusty4884]

Once upon a time NZ had an airforce with these jet trainers

[@josephbishop3231]

Pushing it to the limits got the wiggle going, which enabled shotgun mode, which everyone who's bad with the guns needs!

[@lb7144]

New video! Nice early Christmas present 🎁, thanks GS.

[@welltell.]

You know you have played way to many Flight sims when you are able to shoot down a F18 Hornet with out even trying.

[@anngo4140]

Cars on the road be like "WTF?"

[@raptor0405]

The new sounds are great, hearing them adds quite a bit to the intensity of things

[@wesleycook3181]

very manuverable aircraft hornet wasnt prepared for that

[@baginatora]

Looks like the Italians did it again! Great light aircraft!

[@Pablo668]

The RAAF used these for....possibly a couple of decades as a trainer, both in AA and AG roles. I used to see them fly around from time to time. Where I live is ~40km sw of RAAF Pearce training base. Right at the end of their service life a guy at Pearce told me he went up for a flight in one and said the airframe was making all sorts of suspect sounds.

[@mytubehkjt]

The 339 is really only a trainer but it's a 500kt M0.82 (+!) jet that'll pull 7+G all day and not bleed energy below ~15k. It's a beast in a turning fight. Those external sounds. Very accurate.

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

3:02 I'm so glad I wasn't drinking anything at this point.

[@fredericcadillac1414]

Really really nice the new external sounds!

[@dioad1739]

I wish they would make a mod for the Hal Tejas or the M-346FA these would be fun, your wife trying to talk to you what honey couldn’t hear you my afterburner was on, awesome video Bro.

[@xmisterx0598]

10:14 I honestly thought you would kamikaze into the F-18 😂 anyways man great video enjoyed it thoroughly

[@bruhmomentum7155]

Oh that plane is in Aerofly Fs 2020 for some reason and it doesn’t have any limit to how hard you can pull so you can do like 40g

[@Mako-sz4qr]

Wow the external sounds are really cool but I just got off DCS but didn’t notice it. Is there something ya gotta check in settings ? That a cool little jet man 👍🏻

[@LogieT2K]

The rnzaf used to annoy the shit put of australian hornet pilots with their A-4 skyhawks and macchis

[@MagicZazzi]

@Growling Sidewinder use the rudder to counter his wobble tendency; right turn > left rudder 20% to even 60% compensating impulses, will work very fine in this Aircraft! it has great feeling and authority! Also flaps, like a warbird, t/o flaps will work from 150/160 knots . try it m8! Salute from Italy

[@woiace]

If this was a missile fight, the MB339's chances of winning are slimmer, unless the pilot knows what to do.

[@JK-uj8ur]

At the end of the day It's about the guy in the cockpit.

[@thedreamer6429]

Listen GS, I'm a simple man, but I need to see you take down Feisty in a 1 on 1 dogfight, Su-57 vs F-22!!! Also great vid as always, those were some really intense turns!

[@danrazART]

I believe growling Sidewinder can kill any opponent even with a paper plane! 😂 You are Legend!

[@pauljs75]

That Italian jet is one of the more fun aircraft to be found in FlightGear, at least that's where I remember it from. (But no combat there, just in the context of a very detailed model that was also relatively easy to fly.)

[@PatoTeuceda]

During de Falklands War one of these Aeromacchi attacked HMS Argonaut (F56) with Rockets and Guns, The pilot escaped by flying through dozens of British ships, his name is Owen Crippa and survived the war.

[@germangustavo3184]

Malvinas war

[@milkelangelo1]

the MB339 is also used by the Italian National Acrobatic Patrol (Frecce Tricolori) at his best

[@jasonlay9492]

I had a feeling you were gonna take out that hornet. Mysterious universe.

[@I.G_NL]

Nice vid! Happy holidays everyone😁

[@mark82101]

MB-339 = Frecce Tricolori (italian acrobatic team), so... :)

[@weissrw1]

I watched that one twice!!! Unbelievable!! Cool.

[@rahmatshazi883]

Glad I am not the only one who thinks the 339 looks weird without the tip tanks...but this is ubercool :)

[@yolakin8210]

Amazing dogfight!

[@kenhelmers2603]

At least one big wake-up call on the F-18 :)

[@sebastianpolcyn6358]

GS: "The MB339 isn't so much of a threat to the Hornet as it is a nuisance." Also GS: * kills the Hornet in two out of three rounds * Nice flying!

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

loool i may have underestimated the mb339 in a turn fight.

[@sebastianpolcyn6358]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Guess MasterJay made the same mistake XD

[@hendrikschuch]

it's a beautiful aircraft, i like the simple design

[@richardscibor1286]

Request if you can!...if possible can you do a video on the A-29 vs AT-6? Interested to see you thoughts and views on those platforms.

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

Hey GS, can you do videos about 2v1? Like you and another pilot take on a superior aircraft, would be nice to see two of you in this jet vs a powerful F-18, would be cool to see the advantage two weaker jets have againsts a powerful adversary.

[@bobbob4652]

Well done sir.

[@clockworkorange3628]

Smart strategy wins the day, well done.

[@avramnovorra]

What was great about this video? *MB339 can kick ass in the right hands *sound effect updates are awesome - sonic booms and BRRRRT all the way What was bad about this video? -Hornet should have crashed dead center in the hiway, I always wanted to see civilian vehicles go BOOM when a bandit smashes into the ground 😂😂😂 I got my daily fix of DCS once again dude! 😁👌

[@georgemorgan94]

Now we gotta see a Spitfire vs Hornet dogfight

[@radioactive9861]

With such a 'thrust advantage' the 'hornet driver' probably should have/could have treated this fight like an F-4 Phantom v a Mig 17 fight(kinda like: Cunningham and Driscoll in Vietnam) and he should have/could have scooted away from you at will and then re-enganged on his terms...just a thought...GS has enough knowledge about this stuff he could fill Lake Huron, my knowledge about this stuff could fill a thimble by comparison(do people in 2020 even know what a 'thimble' is, or are there a lot of people looking for an 'online dictionary' right now?).

[@Stinger522]

The Hornet should've kept playing the vertical game.

[@spectre06x]

Now if they can make the backseater talk to you like the Tomcat....that would be nice.

[@nusratnoor7002]

Congratulations GS you have done something like legendary ace Saiful Azam did

[@jansvoboda4293]

This versus L-39ZA should be quite fair fight.

[@matthewtrapani9755]

If I were that Hornet driver, id radio in a birdstrike and ride the flames to my death. Save face and all.

[@DubDesciple]

Exterior sound could be a bit more muffled in the canopy. You barely hear anything from inside to be honest other than your own avionics/bleed air unless you pass very close. (Not to mention ear pro) The sounds themselves are fantastic though. The doppler effect on the guns is incredibly accurate

[@hralch1234]

Great video as always! Thks! Would the F-5 or A-4 have a better chance to keep up with the MB339? I mean Turning-wise...

[@docnele]

Thist type of combat was extensivly tried and tested, both East and West. Soviet AF learned that F-5 appears as formidable adversary (against Mig-21Bis, MiG-23ML), but then found out that so is elderly MiG-17F if the pilot got lured in such knife-edge combat. Likewise, US pilots in "obtained" MiG-17s would whip a$$ of Navy pilots in each first encounter using excitement of them seeing true Soviet fighter and luring naval pilots in low-speed engagement.

[@stuka_bly4t102]

Well, I’ve gotta say Ermanno Bazzocchi was a good plane designer

[@briandunham8615]

Honestly thought it was a fighter glider from the thumbnail lol. Cute little plane though. I'm sure it had its use.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

It's still in service with Eritrea, the UAE and Malaysia, plus Italy of course. The USA uses it as an aggressor (the aircraft are owned by Draken International) with airframes purchased from New Zealand.

[@jtrx753]

It looks like a L-39 Albatross, at least very similar

[@b2tall239]

I believe in 1965 an A-1 Skyraider got the first air-to-air kill for the US in the Viet Nam war, using guns to shoot down a much more capable MiG-17. Any given Sunday......

[@solomonkhan7199]

It would be interesting to watch the fight between MB-339 and L-39.

[@mao65lml]

Yeeeee....... very very good. W MB339. Complimenti.

[@NeauxLA_Man]

That’s one ugly date you brought to the party GS!

[@JDuBz815]

Ugly birds need pilots too lol

[@itdepends8103]

3:12 that was close Could hit on road and there were travellers... But cool

[@bitkarek]

can you try L39 albatros in a dogfight? :) (i guess there is no L159 in DCS)

[@Soldier-Gamez99]

Ey GS, could you do another IL-2 video? This time using the P40.

[@Parabueto]

The mb 339 is a very nice little plane. They're developing a full fidelity paid module now too. Also on fs2020, the first proper jet on it. I have noticed a couple of graphical issues creeping in with hovering wingtip tanks and the useable fuel guage reading higher than it is. Will have to see if it's been updated.