Affordable Ultralight Camp Beds

Simon (sporting a full-on bad hair day) demonstrates one of many affordable ultralight camp beds, and discusses camp beds in general.
The specific model shown in this video is from BRS, and can be found here: amzn.to/2omYkSF (Please be aware that the price has changed since I purchased mine, but there are other "non-branded" versions of the same product going for less money.
Here's a link to the super-expensive Therm-A-Rest version of the same thing: amzn.to/2nQvbSb
Therm-A-Rest have also released a new "2017" version of theirs: amzn.to/2nQi1Ew
Yes, the price differences are INSANE!
As always, opinions expressed in this video are genuine and in no way influenced by external factors. This video does not represent an endorsement of any products shown. No payment of ANY kind has been received, nor was this video requested by anyone.

[@Tsmace33]

I leave the poles in the fabric and just pull them apart enough to fold them starting at the end. Once both sides are folded to the end I roll it together

[@mildcamper5429]

I splurged out on a Helinox Cot Lite a few years back and really like its sturdy simplicity. Not optimal on its own though. I find using a slim inflatable mat really helps further with comfort and warmth. Having suffered a bad tent failure on a rainy night, my cot kept me away from pooling water which was great. :) One last thing, if your mat slides around too much use Velcro strips between the cot and the mat.

[@DC-gy5jn]

Excellent review , demo and information . Looking for one these to put on the back of the motorcycle and you've been very helpful .

[@oldsoldier181]

I have been looking for something to use while motorcycle camping. I am about 230 lbs, and wanted something simple to set up. I think this fits the bill. With the extra poles, this will easily support me. Thanks for the extensive review!

[@PackedToLive]

You're welcome... and motorcycle camping is my favourite kind :)

[@heathschwab]

Very nice wish I could use them but been years since I've been able to sleep on a bed like that. Good job god bless

[@brianlong76]

Well done, I think I will try one of these.

[@kc8ljmcopier567]

Well done and thought out video. I appreciate the time you took to make this video and the attention to detail. I have been considering something like this for awhile now. Thanks for your hard work.

[@PackedToLive]

Thank you for the feedback, and glad the video was useful :)

[@robertnowell7966]

Excellent. I just purchased this bed for motorcycle touring and your vid makes me feel confident. Thank you!

[@miriamendres7415]

I am also looking at this for a motorcycle touring. We am setting up a lifestyle block of land in a different state of Australia and plan to camp close to or on the block over the coming years as we set the block up. I would be interested to read how you went with it.

[@HoboTurtle]

I've had the original luxurylite cot for almost 10 years now. im 5'11", weigh around 275 lbs. This is by far the most comfortable thing ive slept outdoors. The punch holes on the cloth have stretched out but still functionally fine. I recommend breathable foam pad over it to aide in moisture control. LuxuryLite had a really nice pad.. not sure what happened after they started selling this to thermarest

[@Rucksack57]

I also look for inexpensive gear that works. I like a cot. I have had four cots over the years and am always looking for lighter weight. A cot in the tent will keep you out of the puddles that form in your tent when you realize it rained that night or snowed and is now melting. If you have two cots you can put your gear on it to keep it dry. Thanks for all your hard work very good.

[@GavTatu]

although i'm a six footer, i wanna see how much i could shorten and lighten it ?

[@jenniferp1917]

Thanks for the tip on how to pack it with the feet spaced out! Great idea! I am so glad there is finally a no-name version available, as there is simply no justification for the price of the Therm-a-Rest or Helinox. I much prefer a cot to a pad or air mattress, but until now I've only used a cot for car-camping, because my field and stream cot, though light, is very bulky. But, can you make a vid showing how to tear it down? I've just put my new cot together but I'm afraid to take it apart because I'm afraid it will snap me in the face! ETA: Oh, nevermind, I see you did talk about how to take the bow off, there in the middle of setting it up. I'm still afraid of getting smacked in the face when I take it off!

[@gatdammit]

hi thanks for the vid oh I have a question how have those crossbars held up there's been some complaints and reviews about them bending. Are the thermarest ones really that much different where the materials are stronger?

[@timfromammoniteknives4212]

Been looking at these after 4 days snoring in a hammock...

[@168grhp]

Awesome review! I think I'm going to take a chance on one of these. Thank you!

[@justbanter8727]

Peeeerfect vlog thank you - just what I was looking for. Been a hammock'er myself for a while but now looking at doing some motorcycle camping with my son and not being fond of ground dwelling (even with a thermarest pad) I'm looking for a lightweight potable camp bed

[@shaunbowen]

I was pleased to see someone else with the same Kelty sleeping bag as me! Do you have a link for the red compression dry bag?

[@drsquirrel00]

I've been thinking about this for years, but have yet to have a try... I reckon if you use a sheet that hangs over the side, like an old bed valance sheet, it should give some more insulation as it keeps your air under the bed and reduces the movement.

[@shiladutta6960]

Very Very true information and practical demonstration of this review. Thank You

[@hard2getitrightagain314]

Im too heavy for this cot. I bought a second one and combined them so that every pair of feet has a double brace. I'm laying on it right now, tremendously pleased. Totally worth the weight. I will use it backpacking but I keep it in my car for crazy road trips

[@hard2getitrightagain314]

My way is cheaper than buying spare parts

[@HofNarrTheOnly]

At first this is a nice review. But i am german, so excuse me for my question right now: i dont get the point with the weight exactly. My weight is about 95 kilo, so i should use only 1 pole per set off the feet not 2, but should use more pole-sets? Is that right?

[@NavigatedChaos]

Just curious. Have you used the therm-a-rest version?

[@PackedToLive]

Used? Yes. Owned? No.

[@norsefalconer]

I have this (Chinese, but sold under a different name). On the third weekend camping use, the center area supports rotated laterally when getting on the cot, popping off the spars. It did this twice in a row the first night. I had to lay alongside, and sorta roll up onto the cot. The second night the foot ends gave out as well and I slept on a "half cot." I'm about 95 kilos. If I can't find a way to stabilize the supports, it will be going in the trash.

[@survivingdenmark2516]

I love mine, but have the same problem. It works great on complete flat surfaces such as a floor. But with a slight inclination the bed legs buckle under me

[@FreedomIsOurSecurity]

Hi. Nice video. What is source/brand of lateral compression dry bag?

[@gishgishgish]

What are the working (open) measurements? 200cm by 80cm???

[@pentapandamusic]

I find the alluminum poles are permanently bent slightly after setting it up even with out me lying on the bed, but I guess it will not affect future use? Other than that it is very comfy and light weight, I like it.

[@madmaxbushcrafting8429]

hi ,,,,could you please tell me where you bought the camp bed ,,,thank you,,,,

[@bertschuh1141]

Excellent review and presentation, great tips ...thanks!

[@WayneTheSeine]

Thank you for some great info. May save some folks a lot of $$.

[@ellenhahs125]

If I am on a gravel bar and find it hard to kneel on gravel, would this still be able to be assembled, if I sit on the gravel and have it in my lap?

[@PackedToLive]

I've assembled it a number of times from a sitting position (generally when I've had a long hike and just want to sit for a while). Shouldn't be a problem at all.

[@CrossFitMehedi]

Thank you for the great and in-depth review.

[@ChaplainAsher]

Whats the brand?

[@charlesadamski_197]

Excellent review. Thanks

[@phim5054]

What is the size? Therm-A-Rest offers a choice : small, regular, large

[@mosfear]

I bought one of the Therm-A-Rest cots before they produced the different model sizes and before all the knock-offs hit the market. It's designed as a single season cot, so you need to add the insulating under-sheet if you want to extend the cots use to three season. The other problem is if you have to put it together outside the tent on a wet site, you'll be left with a wet cot, so take a polythene sheet on which to build the cot on a wet pitch. Got to say it's a good piece of kit, not worth the £140 asking price at the time, but certainly keeps my hips off the deck (and I'm 108kg). I also tried the Therm-A-Rest NeoAir All Season mattress which offers much better insulation from ground cold, but so far, haven't tried the cot and mattress together. What is interesting is IMO, the 2017 design saves Therm-A-Rest about 60cm of DAC tubing on each bed made, yet they still increased the cost. Even so, it's still a lot cheaper than buying a Helinox Cot Max with extension legs. That rolls out at €560.

[@PackedToLive]

Yeah, the Helinox beds are just absurdly overpriced. I won't even consider that kind of money for something that's costing them peanuts to make. Therm-A-Rest keeps upping the prices on their version of the ultralight beds, which to me is financial suicide when the cheap knock-offs are performing the same job at a fraction of the price.

[@discipleinlight]

So what is the low cost of it?

[@jolebole-yt]

Link from the bed (cot) is not working anymore...

[@jameslopez7224]

I'm not heavy but find the legs turn from vertical unless it's on a totally flat surface. They even come undone... might have to invest in the Helinox one.

[@dalecarpenter8359]

I got one the sheet was sown out of square .so much so that its always in danger of collapsing.

[@briantheminer]

Home Bargains camping cot, £10.95, slightly heavy for backpacking but great for motorcycle camping, with another low cost £14, 2" inflatable mattress, best camping sleep I've ever had in 40 years camping Love your review, gives great ideas, and certainly says "no one needs to pay a fortune"

[@cliffspicer6555]

Would you suggest an ultralight sleeping pad on the cot for additional comfort? I have the Klymit pad I like

[@hair2050]

Yes, that is exactly what I do. I use a thermerest self inflating pad and the combination is honestly better for me than most beds. Just make sure that the pad is wide enough. If the side bars in the bed are not covered your elbows will be very unhappy. The past two nights I slept in the gobi desert on this combination, perfect. But, after i returned back to UB, (city), I glued the bars into the legs. It’s something that I have been contemplating doing for a long time but I finally got to the point of caring more about easy setup and breakdowns than packing size.

[@bsacbob]

Great video, could you say where you bought your compression stuff sack ?

[@PackedToLive]

I bought the compressible drybags from Amazon. I've done an entire video on them as well :)

[@olekike72]

Is this bed comfortable for a side sleeper?

[@JackKenna77]

I really struggle to sleep at home let alone camping, so I visited Loch ness last week. I used a inflatable mattress and bivvy bag and I couldn't sleep at all, this may be a soloution that I needed to get me off the floor thank you

[@deetee-uk]

Did this last a good while? Any issues?

[@Ian__Preston]

Good Video, I have the same cot, now I know how to put it together properly ;-)

[@peterhewitson71]

Great video , thanks so much needing something for moto camping .

[@thefamilydog6392]

Hello there, I’ve read the thermarest is 2 lbs, where as this is 3.4 lbs. I’m bike touring to the Pyrenees from London and then onto the Portuguese coast , full bike panniers, this is lite/light enough ? (German Camping gear has made me question my spelling ) gut mittag 🙏

[@thefamilydog6392]

Slept on mine last night, I found the sliding the poles through easy to do when the tarp is taught and pole is guided along the fold, only came through once out of both sides. I tried beefy double pole method. I did notice a rise in the middle (I’m 85 kg) the next day I inspected the cot and it look slightly twisted so I’ve dismantled and will erect it again this evening (I’m cycling to the pyranees)

[@1Selous]

I have 1 for my mrs who had damaged vertebrae, she loves it, very comfortable for her. It cost me £15 its the type with poles through some loops as feet and twist the ally poles. We got enough poles per set of feet not like you only haveing 2 pairs, may be they realised, and changed the amount of poles had ours since 2016

[@PackedToLive]

I know some models from different "brands" have updated feet and poles, as well as some shipping with two sets of spring poles per pair of feet instead of one.

[@gerardhaubert8210]

With back problems isn’t a low bed difficult to get down onto?

[@andrewsowerby5498]

Where did you buy that from for 15 quid please?

[@MrBobdilly]

I bought one of these a few months ago and have been pretty happy with it. AU$65 with free postage from China, can't argue with that! You mentioned early in the vid about being able to purchase additional legs and tension poles. I've been unable to find them anywhere, and would really like to get a couple more. Do you perchance have a link to 'spare parts'? Cheers form Down Under! :)

[@PackedToLive]

amzn.to/2uW697Y < That's a set of the additional poles, and from that link you'll see that Amazon has a "purchase option" for 4 additional legs as well.

[@MrBobdilly]

Item does not ship to Australia 😢

[@PackedToLive]

I still don't get why there's no Amazon in Oz!

[@amitaimedan]

Got mine today, it's very nice, but extremely hard to stretch the poles of the legs.

[@user-pi2nk5uv1y]

Is this cot as comfy as self-inflating pad or air pad ?

[@PackedToLive]

That depends, really. I can at least say confidently that this levels on slightly uneven ground better than an inflating mat, but it doesn't insulate as good as an inflating mat.

[@josephdupont]

HOW WIDE IS IT???

[@randywatson8347]

Feet might look strange but they are well designed by the looks of it. Doesn't puncture the bottom of the tent. I like how small it is packed. Though good point this is not good for wintertime. Why so many dislikes?

[@jamesdavison9483]

Excellent review

[@elicardoza4462]

Were can I buy one

[@lonefoxbushcraft]

can u fit two of these in dd pyramid tent ?

[@PackedToLive]

Yes, two of these fit in a DD Pyramid with enough room to put gear on either side of them. You're best up putting them both up against the centre pole, and having your gear on the outsides (I.E. closest to the fabric forming the pyramid). My mate Bob and I have tested this with great success :)

[@deantronnes6730]

keep the holes in the cloth on the under side when inserting the side rail and you shouldn't have any problem with it poking out the holes. then flip it over for the feet.

[@climb2b363]

I think it's funny that you are from Europe and said the EN20 meant "the kit which this is usually used as a part", EN actually means European Norm and 20 means 20 degrees Fahrenheit.

[@PackedToLive]

I'm not from Europe. I'm from England... and England isn't part of Europe now (the people voted) haha I didn't know that, but the rest of the Kelty kit for which this sleeping bag is a component start with "EN". This is why I concluded that the "EN" portion must relate to the kit.

[@tryagain.k1821]

You mean $400k pa Euro MP wankers like Farage.

[@dianeingalls5025]

How do I find this product, I'm interested. Thanks:)

[@juddadam2]

Amazon

[@geneobrien6300]

It is fragile. I bought two and combined the poles to double up. It will rub a tent over a few nights if you flip and sleep. It's a solid purchase if you are lite ( under 200lbs ) and not using it for daily / weekly use.

[@HolbergEM]

Great review. Thanks!

[@MatthewScott-xg1ho]

Thank you for this review. That aside, the amount of Partridge moments in this video is extraordinary.

[@blackoak4978]

Got a nice ul camp stove from BRS. Cheap and came highly recommended by through-hike KZbinrs

[@rascalhusky8129]

I have a Thermarest , it's great but a PAIN IN THE ARSE to errect. Very comfortable.

[@smileytall]

Great informative video!

[@remnant1018]

At 17:00 is the test.

[@susanmiller7472]

(UNCONTROLLABLE GIGGLING) POUNDLAND! MY YANKEE MIND WAS THINKING OF WEIGHT, AND PARTICULARLY, LIGHTWEIGHT GEAR, FOR MY KAYAK. VIDEO CONTINUES, AND I REALIZE...DOLLAR TREE! GLOBAL SHARING IS SUCH FUN. GREAT REVIEW, SWEETIE!

[@GavTatu]

and an underquilt might be a good make you own project too.

[@fredlepper3553]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@AlbionCamping]

great vid and review.. atb

[@PackedToLive]

Cheers mate :)

[@jacobcui6325]

Very well explained

[@prepperinthewoods]

looks good. I shared it.

[@PackedToLive]

Prepper in the Woods thank you very much :)

[@melcrose]

You're doing the long pole insertion completely wrong. You hold the fabric near the insertion point, then slide the pole in at a slight angle away from the "holes" along the edges. When you do it that way, the poles will slide in in about 2 seconds.

[@theprepperfrog167]

Thank you, sir.

[@BluePatch-pc7sx]

Thank you, sir

[@skaybaltimore]

First of all, thanks. Very helpful video. I have to admit that in the beginning I thought it was a bit over done and took too long to get to the point. Also, some of the assembly sections seemed so "obvious". However, what I didn't realize was that these things traditionally come with little or no instructions and a lot of the negative reviews on these clone cots on Amazon are full of complaints about lack of adequate assembly instructions. THEN your video really began to shine for me! Thanks again. I will give this a shot and see if it works for me. I'm 5'8" and around 190 pounds. NOTE: I definitely heard you say that you leave out 2 poles because you don't double up the middle supports. You also said at the beginning of the assembly, after you put in the first support, that you skip that "extra" support, so all of your supports/legs are equidistant from each other. But as such, don't you then end up leaving 3 poles at home, not 2? Also, don't you only need 10 of those blue "feet" instead of 12? In the photo at the beginning, before assembly, I counted 12 "feet". Do you just take 12 in case one breaks?

[@singin8324]

they are nice and light but you are right they are a pain to put up I paid 67 pound for mine now you say you paid 30 for yours I feel ripped off.. great vid

[@PackedToLive]

According to the Amazon invoice, I paid £34.25 total (including P&P) for mine. They really do run a vast price range, though. Anything from ~£30 right up to two-hundred-ridiculous. If I'd bought the Therm-A-Rest model at over £140, I think I'd be feeling quite a bit ripped off right now!

[@singin8324]

yea I've seen the thermo ones wasn't prepared to pay that kind of money I have had mine over 18 months it does the job

[@MOTOZILIANS]

great vid LAD

[@jenniferp1917]

Not familiar with your European weights... is "bugger all" heavy or light?

[@almorrison2040]

Jennifer, bugger all means "not much", so in terms of weight its light.

[@jenniferp1917]

@@almorrison2040 Thank you! I bought one of these off ebay, but several of the rods got bent out of shape just on the test set-up/tear-down. I think I'll try the other ultralite cot style, the ones styled like the Helinox.

[@almorrison2040]

Jennifer, i dont own any style of cot but am looking seriously. The only downside with Helinox seems to be their price (which certainly isnt bugger all!!!). Ive got one of their chairs and it is excellent. I may have to bite the bullet. Good luck.

[@jenniferp1917]

@@almorrison2040 My dudes! Look at what they have at Aldi this week in the U.S.!! It looks like the style of the Alps Mountaineering cot, but at half the price. www.aldi.us/en/weekly-specials/this-weeks-aldi-finds/this-weeks-aldi-finds-detail/ps/p/adventuridge-easy-fold-camping-cot/

[@jenniferp1917]

Oh, wait, it seems the Alps cot is 9.5 pounds (4.3 kilos) - twice the weight of the backpacking cots (and even those are a splurge, weight-wise, for the backpack.) (So presumably the Aldi cot would weigh about the same.) I will keep looking for a less-expensive knockoff of the Helinox style! (I tried one like in your video, which is a less-expensive knockoff of the Thermarest style, but I didn't like the disassembly procedure, plus the cheap rods got bent.)

[@rickmartin9823]

Went to sleep watching this one!!!

[@taylorcovington3243]

Doesn’t ship to U.S

[@adventureswithfrodo2721]

How do you know they are made in the same factory? I would not call this ultralight.

[@PackedToLive]

When I make statements like that, it's because I've done some research to find out what facility in China is producing them (usually by approaching the manufacturer expressing an interest as a retailer considering options for bulk wholesale supply). This is how I find out where they're manufactured.

[@Charity1277]

Ugg why do they make them so narrow.

[@froosifroosii2383]

Thumbs up thanks for sharing Peace

[@bedton3183]

NATURAL SCENERY NICE

[@atomicboy8972]

Why would I want a camping bed with green wheels that don't turn.

[@PackedToLive]

You'll never get a speeding ticket, at least :P

[@ol6374]

Brs are the biggest camping supply company in the world.. they make things for Coleman gelert thermarest and others .

[@neilbadger4262]

Boxed weight is showing as 1.6 kg which makes me wonder how this can be categorised as ultralight. Typically ultralight camping is defined as the base weight coming in at no more than 4.5 kg. This would mean the tent, sleeping bag, cooking system, spare clothes and everything else could not weigh anymore than 2.9 kg. However I may have understood the objective of the video so....

[@PackedToLive]

I've seen so many arbitrary "maximum weight" limits being spouted for what constitutes "ultralight"... and they're all just that: arbitrary. The ultralight guys I hike and camp with all seem to agree on 10kg as being the sensible upper limit. I don't personally care for arbitrary numbers. Boxed weight includes the weight of the box, by the way. That makes at least 0.2kg difference. 1.4kg happens to be lighter than a lot of the more "luxury" hammocks, too. Horses for courses, to each their own etc.

[@neilbadger4262]

I know there have been some studies carried out regarding optimum weights so as not to incur injury or fatigue during extended periods of carrying. It was mentioned in either the June or July edition of TRAIL magazine that the optimum weight found by these studies is 7 kg. This may be regarded as arbitrary in some camps, (excuse the pun) however something to still be considered.

[@PackedToLive]

How, exactly, can ANY study conclude that the optimum weight for ANYONE to carry is some specific value? I mean, my mate has an 18 month old toddler (he walks very well, and can even carry a small backpack). Do you think his optimum weight to carry would be 7kg? I don't. Studies by chiropractors and other medical professionals strongly concluded that the MAXIMUM weight a human being could reasonably carry for an unlimited duration (I.E. every waking hour of the day) represents around 25% of their body weight. They define a COMFORTABLE weight to carry for an unlimited duration as representing around half of the maximum, so 12.5% of your body weight. I weigh 84kg, which means that a comfortable weight for me to carry for an unlimited duration would be 10.8kg. Now, that's assuming that I were to carry my pack from the moment I get up, to the moment I go to sleep (which no human being ever does). With that in mind, we can reasonably conclude that a suitably comfortable carriage limit for an average human being, hiking for as much as 75% of their waking day, would be around 15% of their bodyweight. In this case, that ups my personal optimum to 12.6kg. The total weight of my pack, including the camp bed shown in this video clocks in at a respectable 10.2kg (including water and 3 days supply of food rations). From my perspective, that's still "Ultralight" compared to the overwhelming majority of packs I've seen people lugging around uncomfortably on their backs.

[@neilbadger4262]

Thank you very much for this information. This is going to help my training schedule massively. Please don't think I was trying to attack the video or your good self. I was just trying to pass on what little information I myself had in the hope that it would help. Peace :)

[@PackedToLive]

Oh I promise you I didn't think you were trying to attack the video (or even me). I recognize the difference between a healthy debate and an attack :) My feeling on endurance training is that it's good to start with a moderate weight, then intentionally increase that weight to around 30% of your body mass for a series of short hikes (say, consisting of around 5 miles depending on your physical condition), then start tapering that weight off to your comfort. Every now and then, I intentionally hike out with twice as much weight in my pack than I actually need... just to ensure that I don't lose physical condition. I feel this is a healthy balance between maintaining what your body can physically do, and what you actually NEED to do on a regular basis. Hope it helps :)

[@unclej8022]

Nice one but I think it's too low or not high enough from the ground.

[@robbanjohnsson9905]

I just want to say that i have buyed one of this bed and it was a big mistake im 190cm Long and I weight more then 90 kg when i was lying down i was only 1 cm from the ground The bed was not Nice at all

[@alan36753]

Good vid but I must disagree with your comments about all beds being equal. Aluminium and plastic comes in vastly different strengths and flexibility and a company like Thermarest will hopefully have done their homework because they have a quality brandname to maintain. I would say buy/try cheap yes but if you plan to use often and in more extreme weather (where cheap plastic may break) then pay for quality. I always buy the best not the most expensive, because I look after my kit and like the peace of mind it brings. Enjoyed the video

[@Rico-Suave_]

Watched all of i

[@Funkteon]

So many of these KZbin reviewers have suggested buying extra feet/poles for these cheap cots, but not a single.....fking.....reviewer......has ever said where to buy them, and they're never for sale via the place you bought the cot itself..

[@Sertao2013]

Its not a camp bed . a camp bed could be anything like a blow up mattress , a self inflated mattress, a foam pad or a cot . On youtube people type in cots if they are wanting to look into cots if they want to see blow up mattresses the type that in . What your video is about is a cot . You really need to change the title to Affordable ultralight cot . Add the word cot to the title somewhere so when people type in cot they will see your video .

[@testbed5290]

I can set my hammock and asym tarp up in under a minute. Id rather spend an exhausted hour searching for trees than do this in the rain after a long day.

[@PackedToLive]

Totally agree with you on preferring the hunt for trees in the rain to putting this bed up... but I don't believe you for a second when you say you can set up your entire hammock and tarp in under a minute. I'd like to see that!

[@testbed5290]

Packed To Live and no hardware. Maybe 2 mins if the trees are favourably positioned n no rogue branches interfering. Will pop a video up soon.

[@PackedToLive]

Please shoot a link in a reply to the video. I enjoy time trials like that. You put your video up, then I'll try to beat your time in a video of my own as well :)

[@neuro6164]

Hi Test Bed. I am from South Africa. No real forests, instead we have brush (fynbos) and arid (karoo) areas. This bed will work under those conditions. Never slept in a hammock, except next to a pool. Cheers

[@Sage.....]

4lb is very heavy if you're going light weight, for just one item out of a bag of kit it's not something I'd consider taking, this item alone is about the same weight as 7 basket balls, good idea but for what it is, its to much of a mess on and definitely not lightweight.

[@leonthesickone1873]

That is the most stupid comparision ive ever heard in my entire life, and im not even exaggarating. Its like saying this weighs as much as 100'000 balloons. How can you say something stupid as that? This bed weighs as much as a small milk carton along with a big chocolate bar. Thats nothing... lol....

[@Sage.....]

It's much heavier than a one pint of milk and a big bar of chocolate, unless the big bar of chocolate weighs 3lb. Ok then, it weighs around the same weight as a 4 pinter of milk, is that better ?

[@Sage.....]

And no it's not nothing, it's 4lb of weight added to you're kit.

[@leonthesickone1873]

@@Sage..... i dont know why you talking about pinter left and right, im talking milk cartons. A small milk carton is 1 liter and a chocolate bar 200grams which is almost 1.3 kilos... lol

[@val7997]

I would roll up a towel and stuff it in the carrying case for a makeshift pillow

[@247noc2]

23:00 thermarest

[@wallabing]

Very uncomfortable, an inflatable camping mattress is way better, and lightweight.

[@gary7vn]

Fur is sick.