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[@b4glady]

This is why learned to love and do my own natural hair. I do my my own nails too. These hairstylists and nail technicians are rude and most them don't give you what you are paying for.

[@JM-ip1es]

Agreed💯💯💯. With all these wigs... I could never put myself through this headache. Plus I’m really good at braiding... so I do my own hair in general, and now I’m doing my own nails also.

[@jennaywilliams1024]

I'm trying to tell you! I braid my hair down and throw these clip ins on top of them lol and will file and buffer my own nails.

[@marleyhill34]

I do my own hair and nails at the moment most months but that's because I want to invest. If you are self-employed or you are not getting enough employee benefits, you need to take out long-term illness insurance, child trust funds, life insurance, private health insurance and a private pension and investments. Do not spend all your money so that when you get pregnant, ill or injured, you have no money. I would like to be a single mother by choice but I'm looking into investing my money as a cushion in addition to my maternity pay in my job. We need to get smarter with the money we earn and stop spending on things that do not matter. I have a friend who works a professional job with her husband. I haven't seen them take a family vacation in years...why because they want to pay off the mortgage and pay into their two boys educations trust fund.

[@marleyhill34]

@@jennaywilliams1024 Lissen I saved 10 grand by doing my own hair and nails for a year! I didn't even have cable TV or paid streaming!!

[@taquinmcmullen6490]

Facts

[@jaythethinker3994]

People itemizing there services like charging a “parting fee”, “pregnancy fee” is what’s cheapening the industry. Just up your prices overall and stop saying what’s it for. It causes more problems then necessary. Its just a lot of people in business that don’t know how to do business.

[@WhatTheKink]

Periodt! I’ll just pay the higher price. I don’t want to or need to know the makeup of the pricing.

[@carrington2949]

It was tacky and only causes a tacky vibe around her name. Here I am thinking why are you working so late in your pregnancy? Where is the father of these children? Pregnancy for women and especially for BW can be dangerous. Do you not have the option to rest and prepare for the most important event of your life? She should have just posted the new pricing. Everything else has gone up so I would not blink an eye. Keep it professional.

[@marleyhill34]

@@carrington2949 I'm wondering if she doesn't have insurance and investments. I notice in America if you don't have employee insurance, you are in a bad way and you have to invest for that. I live in the UK with very good state benefits. But I also have good employee benefits. So if I was pregnant, my medical bills are free, I get paid maternity fees by my employers and by the government welfare and free childcare for 30 hours a week (so you can go back to work). You get this regardless of your income. However, the trade-off is that our taxes are high. Americans earn a lot of money and have low taxes but you have to invest about 25-40% of your income in social security which I think a lot of Americans do not do. You can't even get a mortgage in the UK without mortgage insurance in case you lost your job. I was shocked to learn about subprime houses and mortgages in America.

[@carrington2949]

@@marleyhill34 True. A lot are at least fighting for paid maternity leave but the overwhelming majority have to quit their job and hope to get it back. I have a friend from Sweden who was floored at our system for new mothers. Her parents back in Sweden think it is barbaric. You have given me a great deal to think about in terms of what I need to save and prep for when we do have a baby. I have a great job in tech now but I may decide to go to a start up and I definitely would not get the same benefits I have currently. Your percentages give a clearer picture as to how we would need to prepare. My soon to be husband does well at his job so we just assumed I would not work at that time. However I would still like to be prepared as it would be the first time we would have one income coming in and I am far away from family.

[@marleyhill34]

@@carrington2949 Definitely invest because some women become too sick from pregnancy to work the same job they did before and the strain of being the single breadwinner makes men very aggressive and disagreeable. I knew someone who spent the last 3 months in hospital but our health care is free...now imagine if your American health insurance company said that they would not pay for your stay in the hospital, only doctors appointments, check-ups, ultrasounds and the actual labour ( I hear they even charge you to hold your baby) Invest in some shares, property and businesses. My American grandmother and great uncle did this so it cushioned the social security gap for them. Even then my grandmother's husband worked for the city so they had good health insurance benefits for hospital stays. Check the fine print in your health insurance and look at all the potential costs associated with pregnancy and postpartum/post natal. My other family member are veterans so they can be treated at the VA hospital and that cushions the blow.

[@patrecem.9523]

My stylist has set prices when you book and it doesn’t matter the length or density of your hair. If you charge more for length or density it should be made aware before the appointment so there is no misunderstandings and the client has the money to pay for it.

[@iateyursandwiches]

Most stylist indicate this by putting a + sign next to the price

[@patrecem.9523]

@@iateyursandwiches I would still want to know how much that + is costing. Not everyone walk into their appointment with an extra $100 or more to spend. This would save the stylist time and money…I say just put the price.

[@Shalayah2010]

I still don't think length or density should matter. I understand having to use more product or take more time doing someone hair who is longer or thicker but come on now, how many super dense, super long and super thick haired ppl are walking in your salon on a daily basis to even justify a higher price? Guarantee not that many!! and if someone hair is super short and fine, do they pay less? these stylist are just penny pinching.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

They do pay less.... It's called the base price... When you run your salon business you can price your services how you deem appropriate but as a consumer, you don't get to dictate what is an appropriate price for a business... Only yourself.

[@Shalayah2010]

@@AfrikanHairGod I get to dictate whatever I want if this is somewhere I may or may not potentially spend my money. I have every right to not to agree. Just like these ridiculous salons have every right to charge what they do. They just won't get my service.

[@V2B2010]

The lady that I go to for eyebrow threading is normally always on time. Today I guess eh overbooked or had some mix up with her schedule and she took someone ahead of me that took over an hour to finish. I was waiting to go somewhere else in the area after so I wasn’t too rushed on time and was comfortable. However, the wait time ran into another appointment I needed to get to. So I had to reschedule to a later time today. When I got there for my rescheduled appointment, she took me in as soon as I got there. She apologized profusely and told me she had already decided to offer me the service free to apologize. She did a great job as usual and I really appreciated her doing that without me having to complain. And guess what-that one action has put her far above and beyond the competition in my eyes. I will continue to patronize her because she’s really shown me great customer service to account for her honest mistake. Narada-I’m sure your clients really appreciate you being conscientious enough to offer a discounted service when you yourself are late for an appointment 🙂

[@babygirl4949]

Prime reason why I do my own hair. I’ve only gotten someone to do my own hair one time probably the whole year and I haven’t struggled or missed out. I still look cute. Y’all better learn how to do your own hair if y’all having so many issues. That’s how you really make these stylists hurt if that’s what you want.

[@blahblah162005]

I be damned if I pay a pregnancy fee 😂😂😂 nothing about that makes sense.

[@marleyhill34]

This is why I work a regular job in addition to the side hustle because I can get my benefits, healthcare, pension, sick pay, and maternity pay. Then I can invest my money elsewhere so I don't have to be charging people for my lifestyle. A lot of self-employed people do not pay into their pension, maternity and sick pay and life insurance. That's the reason they have to charge these extra fees. You didn't see Rihanna increase the price of her makeup when she got pregnant and she's a billionaire. Next, we be paying for their casket and burial fee too.

[@kymthompson7239]

I like no deposits. I like hair included. I like not having to apply heat to get my hair braided. If someone doesn't offer what I like or I dont like their prices/rules, I just dont go 🤷 it's that simple.

[@marleyhill34]

Facts if they don't offer what I like and what gives me less anxiety, then I do not go/ go back. I like going to Aveda because they have fewer rules, they give me a head neck and back massage and some herbal tea with some calming music to get me to relax. They are expensive but I walk out feeling so relaxed and they have never in over 10 years damaged my hair regardless of stylist. I still only go every 12 weeks because I'd rather be out living my life than spending every Saturday in the salon!!

[@ohthatsruby]

Some stylist charge more for their lack of skill.

[@WhatTheKink]

😂😂😂 I love this comment.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

Agreed like charging extra for parting fees

[@ChelseaOdera]

I know you’ve said this before, but I feel like what is missing from the conversation is that getting your hair done is a luxury. Unless you are physically unable to do your own hair, there’s no reason why you can’t manage the hair that grows out your head. Just like getting your eyebrows waxed is a luxury. I’ve lived in places like Germany and the Bay Area where finding a professional stylist to do my hair was not a realistic option. Prior to that, during my time as a college student in DC, there were plenty of people who could do my hair (and do it well/safely), I just couldn’t afford it. Especially now that there’s a KZbin tutorial for literally everything under the sun, there’s truly no reason to not do your own hair. Worst case scenario, if you really can’t do it yourself, you better start acting nice and befriending people/relatives who can do it for free, and that’s neither guaranteed nor reliable. Why? BECAUSE GETTING YOUR HAIR DONE IS A LUXURY.

[@FoougieTV]

My only complaint with stylists policies is that some of them want the hair blow dried straight for braids. Also, some will also mention if your tender headed don't book. It's the lack of haircare skills for me.

[@deedwells]

Idk now that I make more money, I would much rather pay a lot for customer service and the stylist's talent rather than haggle a person down. My only problem is people with low service and skills charging the same price as the high quality. When I run into that, I pay the lady and never return.

[@CocoaCookies_]

I haven’t been to a salon in years because in the past, I’ve always had negative experiences. I learned how to do my own hair because of the texture discrimination I encountered. That’s where I’m coming from, and I’m sure a lot of others. Good stylists are difficult to find. People that treat you respectfully, that don’t make you feel like shit for what grows out of your scalp, who doesn’t make fun of you for having scalp conditions, who listens to your concerns, etc. The customer service be severely lacking and that’s why there’s so much outrage over these fees. And some of them are just flat out ridiculous. Keeping deposits because you don’t want to hear what I want or charging extra for parting? No. With that being said, I also recognize the challenges stylists face from customers and can understand some of the rationale behind some of the fees, like for being late or having a lot of hair. But those kinds of things need to be communicated up front. And you better know what you’re doing.

[@marleyhill34]

I go to an Aveda Salon with a mostly white clientele and a black trichologist clinic. The difference in service and price between them and these "Instagram selling hair extension" black stylists is astonishing.

[@kandidkeeks]

I simply do not patronize natural hair salons anymore, we get added fees just for being black so I never recommend anyone go to a natural hair salon. We constantly get exploited just for being black by other black people and it's exhausting.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

This comment is a little vague.... What do you mean fees just for being black?

[@OhHeyItsKeish]

@@AfrikanHairGod there’s really nothing vague about it, we pay added fees for things like hair texture and length. I’ve never gone to a non-black salon and heard any of that.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

@@OhHeyItsKeish being that you specified what you meant exactly by "fees for just being black", it actually was vague. If I'm attempting to have meaningful dialogue with your about what you are talking about, then I need to know exactly what you are talking about... But I'm good on that... I'm glad you found some place where are content and found what you are looking for 👍

[@OhHeyItsKeish]

@@AfrikanHairGod 😐 ok weirdo.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

@@OhHeyItsKeish I'm weird okay... Be blessed sweetheart

[@Chokolatepeach]

And I keep hearing the "you'll end up getting your hair done in somebody's living room." Some of my best hairstyles, prices and customer service has come from people working out of their living rooms but whatever 🙄

[@cuteyalexia]

The pregnancy fee is kinda funny to me because in my culture, there’s a superstition that when pregnant women do your hair, it will fall off. It actually happened to me😂. No, I don’t believe that it’s just because my stylist was pregnant. I believe that her pregnancy made her tired so she was rough with my hair. It made me learn to my own hair.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

That's really unfortunate that that happened to you

[@marleyhill34]

I live in London England and it's rare to see a heavily pregnant stylist. I'm not sure if that is down to the fact that we pay high taxes so that women can get decent maternity time off, culture and superstition or our obsession with health and safety.

[@SB18TH]

What happened to just being able to get your hair done and listening to shop gossip?!?! I’ve even heard that beauticians don’t even wash your hair anymore?! What’s going on 🤨. Also, what happens when the beautician starts your hair late, or stop a hundred times to eat or take phone calls, or take a two hour job and make it a five hour job? Are they giving discounts for their bad customer service?!?!

[@HotCocoBangbang]

$153/hr is ridiculous, that's more than some doctors make... I blame the consumers not the stylists because capitalism says charge the most you can get. If ppl don't pay it the marketplace will reset the price, but if they do prices will continue to raise.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

I will say that it is a lil different just for the fact that most stylists are influenced contractors that don't receive benefits health insurance, social security, etc. unlike many of the other professions like doctors.

[@HotCocoBangbang]

@@AfrikanHairGod That's true, but it seems like those stylist are charging the consumers for the lack of social support the government should provide. When I worked as an independent contractor as a nurse I couldn't bill the insurance company more because I have to pay for my own health insurance, malpractice insurance, etc. Again I don't blame the stylists, but I think a major problem is the lack of regulation and oversight in the industry.

[@deedwells]

Idk I am a contractor, and my rate is higher than my W2 work because they are not offering me benefits

[@HotCocoBangbang]

@@deedwells Yes as an independent contractor your 1088 should be higher than your W2, but depending on your profession there are limits. For example, I'm a nurse going to do a visit on a high tech peds patient, based on what that patient has going on there's a maximum I can bill medicaid or their private insurance regardless if I feel she's more complex than someone else with the same illness, and I'm sorry there's no color service or chemical service performed on someone's hair that can ever be more or as complex or impactful than treating the human body.

[@marleyhill34]

My mom's cousin is a doctor. Best believe he pays into his own investments for social security!! He works for hospitals as an employee but he also has his own office as a contractor/self employed. I live somewhere with great state benefits while you can work. When you can't work or retired it is poor security. Start investing!!

[@MoreSand12]

I do my own locs and help others maintain theirs on occasion. I just like hair and want to make sure that black women are feeling good about their natural hair, but a lot of them try to low-ball my already low prices. I don't even make them feel a way about it, I just tell them they can come back to me whenever they change their mind. The one thing I genuinely hate is when they want to rush you while they're in the chair and being rude, knowing the next person might charge them double, take longer, plus add the insane fees and demands. If the session is pleasant, I throw in freebies like hair oils and hair perfumes. I stopped doing men's hair because too many of them sat down, got their hair done then tried to pay me in 🍤 then get mad when I say I'd rather take the money we agreed on SMH

[@catrinaw512]

I think there is a big disconnect. Stylists should be charging according to their time and expertise. A traveling fee is absolutely fair but a parting fee nah. There is a reason that DIY hair videos popped off on KZbin. I’m sure a lot of it had to do with peoples finances but most that I know of it was due to service or lack of. Also a lot of these new stylist don’t stay booked. They’re charging you for the day in case they don’t have another client. You are absolutely correct people need to start leaving reviews and start reporting unethical charging and simply not pay. I think it’s sad that you only hear this among hair stylist that specialize in women’s hair.

[@jaclyncartwright5186]

I just have a problem with these prices when my hair ends up looking like I did it myself. I'll pay a stylist for their worth if they are actually worth it.

[@marleyhill34]

Nah my money is better used in other places than hair!! I go every 12 weeks and now I'm looking to invest the money saved in shares and property.

[@jaclyncartwright5186]

@@marleyhill34 I haven't found a hairstylist in 3 years. I used to only get my hair done once a year so paying a reasonable amount once a year isn't a big deal to me. If I somehow how mastered the art of doing my own hair then I wouldn't go to a salon ever again. But I personally don't see a problem with treating yourself once a year lol.

[@marleyhill34]

@@jaclyncartwright5186 I hear that Sis! I go more often because if left to my own devices I would be bald because I care about other things more than my hair. Lol! going to see my stylist or my trichologist keeps me accountable and on track. Same with my exercise. The trainer and the gym keep me accountable so I would move my fat ass regularly. I meet my trainer outside my home so I can't even hide. lol! She be like I'm outside where are you.

[@dwanacoulter604]

I agree with you 💯 some stylist are getting outrageous BUT. Thicker and longer hair takes more effort and time not to mention MOST ppl don’t know how to sit right getting there hair done! Talking and texting on they phone, slouching in the chair, falling asleep, yes it’s supposed to be a relaxing experience but recognize it’s a HARD JOB‼️

[@officialsyddinpretty]

You said what you said. Many clients in the textured hair sector are entitled. I think the stylists are trying to figure out how to get paid their worth and aren't sure how to go about it in a professional manner. IMO

[@jennapitts8373]

People need to learn how to take care and style their own hair.

[@JanJan4Infinity]

Ok I have to say I totally disagree with the comment about the more thicker and longer your hair the more money you have to pay. It should only be based on the styling of the hair. If one person gets the same exact hair treatment as the other client but difference is one client has longer hair than the other then that client pays more than that is not fair. At this point I’m glad people are learning to do their own hair cause these stylists are insanely unprofessional.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

But I specified in regards to styling. Two strand twists that take 2 hour on one person and takes 4-6 hours on another because of their density and length should not be priced the same. I could squeeze 2 other clients in on top of that service and you feel that you shouldn't have to pay that? There's no way to try and justify that. It's not about not being able to help with what your are born with, it's the fact that there is a certain level of acceptance that you take on for having longer, fuller hair. It's not even just for longer hair sometimes shorter hair takes more work for a style and you pay more the the added time of labor. It's not a product issue for me unless we are talking about something like color that cost adds up quickly with the amount of product.

[@V2B2010]

@@AfrikanHairGod yes I saw it firsthand when I went to my stylist recently. I came with my hair washed and stretched. She did a style with twists and cornrows. There was someone next to me who got a wash, DC and bigger twists done. Her hair isn’t as long and thick as mine. And not as tangle prone. So my service took nearly the same time as hers to finish. My hair already being washed and me being bringing my own products, didn’t take away the time my stylist spent giving me a great style and being gentle. I’ve been coming to her for a while so I’m sure I paid nearly the same price as the other lady. She has fairly standard rates for certain styles. And I was ok with it because I witnessed the time my hair takes compared to someone else 🤷‍♀️. It’s fair to me

[@AfrikanHairGod]

Sometimes the value in a service isn't just a matter of how much time it takes. If I manage to learn how to complete mini twists in 2 hours instead of 3 or 4 does that mean that I should now charge less for it? If anything my becoming more efficient and completing the style in less time adds value to the service. "Time" can also refer to the time and money I invested in myself to get better and hone my craft. Time can equate to the opportunity cost of coming in to work on my off day when I should be resting and spending time with my family doing what I want. Some stylists including myself charge extra for off-days for that exact reason. Stylists can choose what parameters they choose to use to determine pricing for their own business. We all don't value our services the same. If one stylist chooses to keep a flat rate for her services that's up to them but at some point they will be shooting themselves in the foot and under charging themselves. I hate to say this like this but yall will never fully understand until you decide to start doing other people's hair regularly. I know it may seem like I am a bit biased in my response to this video but once upon a time I would've been just as outraged as everyone else. This is much deeper conversation than explored here, but at the end of the day it all comes down to a level of mutual respect/appreciate of stylists for their clients and their patronage & clients for their stylists time, experience, and labor. We all value these things differently so we shouldn't try to dictate how stylists chose to set their price value.

[@V2B2010]

@@AfrikanHairGod oh yes for sure. There should always be a base rate that reflects expertise and skills needed to provide a good service, regardless of variables like hair length, thickness or time taken to do the service etc. I think flat rates can still work. The stylist can find a price that takes into account variations with individual heads of hair as well as accounting for any stylists still honing their skills more as time progresses. So charge a sensible price that will account for those variations. So the customers don’t feel like you’re being ‘unfair’ and charging extra for certain things like thick hair etc. Your standard price can already account for that without the customer seeing it broken down into extra fees. It should in theory balance itself out because if your fees are high enough no matter how long the service takes or how experienced you are; you should almost always be compensated fairly. You’ll likely be making ‘extra’ on some heads of hair that don’t take as long for whatever reason, which would account for any heads of hair that take much longer than what you account for(shouldn’t be many of those if you set the prices correctly). Without the customer feeling like they’ve been ‘cheated’. Does that make sense? So say box braids on someone with long and thick hair should cost $300. Instead of setting the base price of $200 and charging extra for those with longer hair. Just have a flat rate of $300 or nearly so you cover most of the outliers. And if you feel like the box braids on an individual’s hair generally should be cheaper than that due to density or whatever. You have more freedom to charge less than your standard price at the end of the service for that particular person. The customer will perceive it as great customer service or sign of goodwill. Vs the base price being lower than having to charge extra for certain people. It’s all about perception. That’s where the disconnect comes in-different perspectives from the client and stylist’s point of views.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

@@V2B2010 again that's all cute but it isn't practical at all. You keep speaking of charging for thicker hair as if it's unfair when it's really unfair to try to even the playing field of the workload when every head of hair is different, every style is different, every situation is different. There are way too many variables to take into account. You will always undercharge or over charge someone with the median/average pricing strategy that you are trying to take. You don't want to charge more for thicker hair so instead you should just charge more for thinner hair to compensate for it? This is the only profession where yall feel that yall are entitled to dictate how one should price their services to better suit your own personal budgets. If you perceive that you are being cheated for paying more then like I said you should either just not support the business or do your hair yourself. Some of these fees are truly ridiculous and I see where yall are coming from but I can understand why these stylists are responding in the the way that they are, as unprofessional as it is because many of you are really trying to undervalue the time, effort, and wear and tear that we receive on our body's to do your hair every day all day. Again I feel like this conversation is a little difficult to have with you because many of you really just don't understand what it is like to do what we do to survive and make a living off this every single day. I'm sorry if that comes off the wrong way I realize that I have developed this perspective that I have came from years of doing this after being a newbie thinking the way that you do. I've undercharged myself for years trying to accommodate clients' "perception" of my being expensive only to feel like I ended up paying them in the end for spending all that time and work for less than what I deserve.

[@bre6651]

I think people forget that just because you see something trending on social media or you watch certain videos on KZbin, that everyone is somehow magically aware. Yeah natural hair has been more accepted/talked about in the past few years but that doesn't mean that every stylist is trained or cares about natural hair. We still have black women who keep their hair braided and uncared for under wigs and when they do go to salons they're asking for a silk press. It does not makes sense to me to go to a stylist who only promotes silk presses and weaves and expect them to know how to do natural hair outside of that. if you want your natural hair done and not have to worry about someone charging for "inconvenience fees" or lack of training, then I feel like you should do your research and find a natural hairstylist. Don't go to the lady on Instagram who literally does nothing but straight hair and expect her to treat your natural hair with respect and care. Thats like going to a basketball game and expecting Football. You showed up to the wrong event lol. Secondly I don't mind if they charge for length, density or time honestly. When I was younger I had to do hair to help my mom out. For example my little sister is not even 4c, she just has a lot of long, strong hair. Washing, conditioning, detangling, blowing it out and then standing there for 2 hours to press it was a whole day thing and I would be tired, annoyed, and not even want to hang out with friends lol.... so I can only imagine doing that all day. I would charge more too.

[@marleyhill34]

I definitely feel stylists should charge by how long something takes plus their benefits/social security and cancellation because they still have to rent that chair/salon if you do not show up. That's where I draw the line. My Aveda stylist at the white salon does not charge me if my hair takes up more product only if it takes up more time. And I do not see any white people charging late and pregnancy fees!! I love my black people and I love being black but I place rationality and reasoning over culture. What is more important to me? My hair and how it looks or travelling the world and having my own investments.

[@florencee3324]

So true I use to do my brothers hair and would make him pay me. I did a whole wash,blow dry, braid AND a dandruff treatment. Mind you I was doing tiny braids on thick coarse hair, usually late at night 😩.

[@candicay]

All this shows me is that ladies and gents, take the time to care for your hair and do your own hair. And making people pay more because they have a tighter texture. Some Black stylists are just lazy. Hair discrimination, idc how you paint it. Price based off the style not the texture.

[@mariejane1567]

I don't have a problem with a stylist charging an extra fee. If they added hair for braids then it would be extra so its no difference. More hair more money......it simple. it's about time just like a contractor. I wish nail salons did this the wait would be shorter.,

[@marleyhill34]

I go to a white Aveda salon....my hair is probably the easiest there. Lol! because I don't colour it and I don't expect a full blowout every time. Lol! I know my stylists cry when a client comes in for a level 1 to 10 and a blow dry and curl/flat iron with waist-length straight European hair. Lol! 5 hours later.... they are troopers. I stopped braiding my hair 3 years ago so I didn't have to spend hours in the chair.

[@gwenjodi]

Well said.

[@donnathompson4259]

I enjoyed this discussion so much. As an older woman you helped me understand the thinking behind the policies of some salons.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

Thank you for watching!

[@TaYonnaable]

If I read their rules and I think they are extra I’m not booking. This girl had no dandruff as a rule now how the hell. I simply didn’t book her simple.

[@victoriasvirtues]

I stopped going to hair salons over 20 years ago because of the bad experiences. I wish there were more professional stylists like yourself who knew how to care for hair and appreciate the texture. I now primarily wear braids and do have a braider. Love your channel!

[@SGforliferzzzz]

Here’s the problem I have with deposit. I once had to put down half of the cost for a nail appointment. I canceled that appointment 3 weeks before this lady still kept my money. So I will never ever get my nails done by her point blank period.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

Did you leave a review of your experience to help others not go thru the same thing? I feel like everyone is missing that huge point I'm making in the video. We can't change the things that we are all unsatisfied with unless we all collective boycott and stop supporting the fuckery. We do that by calling out the unprofessional conduct of these stylists and only supporting the ones that deserve it but we all have to do our part to make a change in this beauty industry climate.

[@marleyhill34]

That was bad practice! I go to proper salons with insurance or I walk into the Asian ones or I do it at home.

[@marleyhill34]

@@AfrikanHairGod lol@ fuckery. That's what we call it in Barbados too!

[@IamMichellealways]

I'm here for the replay.... Tribe

[@ssd2930]

I don't see how people even go to the salon anymore with all these learnimg tutorials. Its cheaper to do your own hair too.

[@marleyhill34]

My cousin likes to go and she has the money. It's part of her hobbies and relaxation. My hobbies are not hair orientated. I like swimming, riding my bike and playing soccer football and travelling. She will drop a grand on hair and I will drop a grand on a bicycle or a flight. different strokes for different folks.

[@LoXena]

We just need more options, yes some people support the really minimal service you get when you go to certain African salons , and yes people support the crazy fees in Instagram salon, but is there something in between?? Yt people do have many types of salon from the worst to the luxury salon, where they even do your toe nails while drinking champagne, but the everyday woman , regardless of her hair type length and density still have somewhere to go when she wants to feel pretty. We want that for regular 4c/4b hair black women as well. I don't want to be stressed and pay 300 just because I want to have my ends clipped and I had the nerve to be born with 4b hair and thick density. And yet the same stylists blame us because we try our best at home, with KZbin tutorials 🙄 (Sorry for the lengthy comment)

[@lemonadelexus]

More options is why I'm always always looking for other options. Not because I'm picky but these days the service can be not up to par, the salon can be not what I'm comfortable with, techs can have attitudes. Or their hours don't work for my schedule.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

I think that the options are out there. Moreso for others depending on where you live but maybe I see it that way because I live in Atlanta where there are so many options to pick from. I will say that I have quite a few clients that actually travel from other cities and states to come see me on the regular but they always expressed that it's because they never found anyone whose work compares to mine. I think you just have to be willing to pay for the quality of service that you want. Cheaper stylists are it there but there's usually a reason that they run so cheap

[@marleyhill34]

I gave up and I've been going to Aveda salons for the last 10 years which have a mostly white clientele. They have one fee only a cancellation fee. No other fees. All these other rules to remember to trigger my anxiety and my neuro-diverse brain can't remember them all anyway.

[@Sketchnificent]

Dang I miss this one, yea I understand what a lot of hairstylist when it comes to their prices I do graphic design work and I just raised my prices up a lot of people want luxury services with McDonald’s dollar menu money lol

[@marleyhill34]

Listen you have to pay your outgoings, loss margin, normal bills and insurance/investment...... do not charge less than that. I'm an employee and I do not suffer the loss of earnings and I pay high taxes for decent welfare in England in case something happens to me. I'm looking to invest because the pension benefit and the sickness benefit are way too low and not keeping up with the cost of living. It's so bad that the government just had to pay out free money like the American stimulus check to those on a low income due to the rising cost of gas, fuel, petrol and electricity

[@Mm.kay.]

A pregnancy feeeee???? Lmaooo no way

[@iAmaze87]

That’s why I’m learning to do my own hair. Even though I sux. Soon there will be Im not in the mood fee Inflation fee I gotta use water to wash fee

[@diamondpearl1204]

There's hair styles are going overboard with they price

[@Rickys_working]

Great conversation!, only thing I don’t like is when I see post on Instagram like don’t call or text if you have attitude I’m blocking you lol but yet this person didn’t have a website just cash app and DM me 🙄smh so of course ppl have questions but yea I don’t book GHETTO stylist 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@marleyhill34]

I'm sorry if they are not registered with the better business bureau I'm not even bothering. Lol!

[@BuffyNoir140]

Same here with abbreviations. “Lbs, I thought is was short for pounds, “ash” thought it was a typo.!

[@shelleD87]

I'm not sure when the stylist profession went to trash. I've been going to stylists for over 20 years and it seems to get worst. Just this month I had an appt scheduled, showed up to the salon. Stylist was not there, I texted and waited 30 mins - standing outside. Came back home thinking she would call. Nope 2wks later she responded but I am expected to be on time and pay your price. It goes both ways.

[@MademoiselleRine]

Nice commentary !!!!!! :D

[@sandysunshine667]

I couldn't make the live so thanks for the clip; I wanted to hear your thoughts.

[@karabooXD]

I felt that African salon statement. I had to babysit a toddler my first time. But somebody is still paying to go there.

[@kimshanique7119]

I used to love to get my hair done when I was little(I’m 25) they used do a full service (wash, condition etc.) and I didn’t know what the prices were but I’m assuming it was reasonable or I wouldn’t have gotten my hair done. It’s disgusting the things these stylists do. We need to learn to do our own hair because I’m to the point where I don’t even deal with nobody.

[@kamekaj4425]

I’m so mad I keep missing streams 😞 but I saw this video and honestly wanted to know your thoughts. Wish granted lol 😊😊

[@AfrikanHairGod]

I felt this one needed to be posted on here for the folks that couldn't join on Crowdcast

[@vbggnana1386]

So I don’t really know how much I’m paying until I sit down in a stylist chair?

[@AfrikanHairGod]

I don't understand your question...

[@khadijah4776]

With the added fees ?

[@LoXena]

@@AfrikanHairGod I think it's about the fact that we don't know how much the service will cost beforehand.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

@@LoXena I need them to elaborate on how they reached that conclusion being that that wasn't discussed. Every stylist even those with fees don't charge like that.

[@hissing3904]

@@AfrikanHairGod probably about the paying per hour part? The stylist may not even tell you how much time it's gonna take, especially when it's some coplex recolouring job. The people complaining in the video about the 800+ $ probably didn't know in advance

[@LaToyaPlansLife]

I enjoyed this commentary. I felt you when you were getting heated...I get it! Have no problem paying for the services I want within reason. That "parting fee" almost took me out...how do you braid hair without parting the hair right?!?! LOL

[@AfrikanHairGod]

😁 Thank you so much for watching!

[@Karatsukino]

😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 I'm probably gonna get grief for this...but honestly, I feel like anyone who touches someone else hair and get paid for it should be licensed in every state. Period. I am a licensed cosmotogist. I have natural hair and I love working with natural hair and doing all sorts of styles like braiding, weaves ect. The hard thing is that cosmology school doesn't teach you how to do those techniques. I'm self taught as im sure is true of most. In school, they barely touch on how to work with natural hair. I can understand some of your frustration with some of these stylists and negative experiences that people have. It makes it difficult for good stylists because if you have a bad experience, your likely not letting someone else touch your hair.

[@politereminder6284]

I learned about this phenomenon from Linwood of Glamfam. People were reporting such things as "wash n go but the wash part is extra." 👀. Or stylists who shampoo hair but conditioner is extra.(regular schmegular conditioner, not special deep treatments. Looks a beautician literally shampoos your Hair, and princes it out without rebalancing the PH. Y'all are just begging for damage.

[@iateyursandwiches]

I mean its a bit ridiculous but as we say, if you dont want it, then dont pay for it. Its that simple sometimes under capitalism. At the same time, it sounds like to me, she is the one who wants to work while pregnant...almost seems like she NEEDS the money. Technically, if she didnt need to work, she would have taken maternity leave with the stipulation that if you REALLY want her to come out and do your hair, there will be a $40 pregnancy fee. Or even for certain tiring services like knee length knotless braids. That, I think is more reasonable. Sounds like she is forcing people to give her a hand out/tips(minimum $40) which is pretty annoying. However, again, the people who are ok with the fee seem to be the type of people who would have tipped her or really would hate to see her go on maturnity leave because they are desperate to have her do their hair. If thats how it is, then thats how it is. No sense in getting mad if you dont support. On another note, I do find it interesting how there are people upset about this maternity fee but are ok with and even fight for the requirement of corporations to pay for maternity leave. True, corporations inherently exploit workers and have a lot more money but by principle its similar. Its just kindcof funny that for a lot of people, its different when its their money involved with supporting a women who chooses to work and have kids.

[@BuffyNoir140]

Doctors office charge no show fees

[@AfrikanHairGod]

The difference is that we respect doctors and their profession but a hair stylist? How dare they? Lol in the same breath, there are stylist that abuse deposit policies.

[@BuffyNoir140]

@@AfrikanHairGod Yes there is abuse. A good stylist ? hairdresser? beautician?( what is the proper term) is a treasure.

[@Brandiisbeloved]

This is why I was so dedicated to growing my natural hair. Now that it’s long I do more styles. My sisters and I do each other’s when we want extensions because we know how greedy these stylist are

[@NeoSoulFlowerChild]

I’m going to see another stylist. I’ll see you in 9 month…. And congratulations 🎉

[@AfrikanHairGod]

??? I'm afraid I don't understand your comment

[@iateyursandwiches]

Im not mad at this for the same reason Im not mad that the sylist I see to keep up my taper cut the way I like charges $500 for knotless box braids. Its not simply expensive, Im just a broke bitch lol! 🤣 Someone out there will pay for it, but it wont be me. I go to her for the service i can afford AND that has value for me(im well aware a lot of people arent comfortable paying $100+ for a wash and cut/trim but it makes sense for me, my needs, and my budget).

[@marleyhill34]

I want to be out cycling, swimming and playing soccer football......I don't want to be sitting in a salon for over 3 hours and that 500 is my plane ticket to travel and see the world. I'd be lying if I said I am broke but I like to act like I'm broke so I can pay for things that really matter to me. I was raised by a cheap skate and a bargain hunter ( but they have lots of money over the years)....I do not know any other way to behave.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I tell people I'm poor but literally sitting on a few thousand in the bank. I'm looking into investing now.

[@denyshadials5702]

That’s how I feel about the pregnancy fee. I’m not mad, but I ain’t paying it either 🤣. If someone wasn’t out there willing to pay, her schedule would be wide open and she would need to adjust accordingly. Period.

[@BlackLoveGodsWay]

people complaining about that price, to go from a level 4 to a level 12 ashe...in 2 days and her hair still looks healthy, clearly know nothing of color theory or product cost. Also was that the client's natural hair color? That's more time and money if it isn't. I'm impressed and I'm not easily moved 😂.

[@TheNewHope2010]

Wow! She agreed to pay $2000 for a 13 hour service. That means the stylist is making $153 an hour. That's more than what an underwater welder would make! That's ridiculous. The max I would pay is a $100 an hour for the first 8 hours, and then time and a half for the next 5.

[@mariejane1567]

Well they put these fees in place because of the bad customers. It's very simple....systems drive behaviors.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

Not necessarily sometimes it's just to add more to the cost or because they don't want to do their job

[@marleyhill34]

There is a better way to re-coup costs from bad customers but not everyone went to business school/courses.

[@mariejane1567]

@@AfrikanHairGod that's still a behavior hun

[@genzillennial]

Is this a twitch stream?

[@WhatTheKink]

Crowdcast.

[@th3patsfan83]

Good to see you and your sister

[@marleyhill34]

That's great Narada that you hold yourself accountable by deducting the fee.

[@Tune2dis41]

I've just seen this and it is crazy and weird! I get some things like being late or having thicker hair, having long hair!

[@starcherry6814]

I thought I seen it all! I have to pay a fee because MY STYLIST is pregnant!

[@mrssaunders2]

I agree with everything you said, sir. 💯

[@camij9371]

I kept forgetting that the live streams aren’t on KZbin anymore 😭

[@iAmaze87]

African braiding be hood but it’s cheaper so

[@iAmaze87]

There needs to be licensed to textured hair. Coily to straight hair

[@AfrikanHairGod]

I don't think licensing is the answer to our problems either as there are many licensed professionals that are still out here jacking up hair. The entire beauty industry needs to be restructured to all hair types as the standard of education and learning. Straight hair is the standard taught to cosmo students and they build and learn their foundation from there but right now there really isn't a push to advocate for natural hair styling. It's a very niche subset of cosmetology so the demand isn't high outside of stylists of color.

[@ilyzoe1089]

time is money! and if i dont have the money i'll do it myself lol

[@ellafacebooktruecrimecases3644]

This is poor poverty business minds at work, pregnancy fee. I will NEVER go to them. Unprofessional af.

[@najma2613]

African salon? I've seen many african american (foundational americans) doing practicing horrible braiding practices as well. It's just a matter of unlicensed stylists like you mentioned. Insightful video nonetheless learnt alot.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

I call out both of them but no yall gonna take that L just like the rest of them do. Check out my recent shorts of you don't believe me.

[@najma2613]

@AfrikanHairGod hey I'm glad you responded. I don't really understand what you mean by "yall gonna take that L like the rest of them do" so cant really respond to that but I'm glad you point out where stylists are wrong and where they can improve. I don't doubt you as you're always honest with your viewers. Educational vid like always 👍

[@AfrikanHairGod]

@@najma2613 it might be a cultural thing. Take that L means take that loss in African American slang. I'm just saying that I call out everyone and don't pull punches for anyone. Hell I even go in on my own work sometimes 😂 but I try to be very objective when critiquing other hairstylists because that's how we elevate the industry.

[@najma2613]

@AfrikanHairGod Appreciate the objective view. Ps just got the denman d38 paddle brush you recommended (literally got it delivered rn) can't wait to use it! Thanks for that wonderful review and demonstration on how to use it.

[@Calihon88]

At this point, the people willing to pay 1k plus for a cut and colour… are the ones people should be mad at. Lol. What the fuck? There’s so many stylists charging way less. So there’s something deeper going on. I think It’s like people willing to spend more money because of a branded item vs a none branded even though they came out of the same factory. So people are willing to pay more just cause they see some famous stylist online just because they are famous, even though they do the same thing as any other professional stylist at that level. But that’s just me. I do my own hair now.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

People value goods and services differently. There's nothing wrong with that that's how the economy and capitalism works. As long as there are options for those that aren't willing to spend so much I think that's all that really matters.

[@divinensupremeeyeofhorus2232]

Make it make sense 😂😂

[@lemonadelemon1960]

They are charging for parting when you get braids. But the only people who get braids are black people typically with the same "thick" 4c hair that uses to be illegal to be shown anywhere near the work place. This is as anti-black as you can get.

[@AfrikanHairGod]

I don't disagree with you but what would be the answer to correct this problem? Government legislation? Price ceilings for hair services? Will these stop the stylists that are already doing hair illegally without a license?

[@iAmaze87]

Parting is stupid

[@iAmaze87]

Parting fee. Imagine a barber charging a brushing fee before cutting

[@kenyajackson9777]

Eating and spitting food in ya hair😮 …. I tell youuu

[@Codi892]

If a stylist charges more for my type 4c hair because they don't know how to do it then I wouldn't even sit in their chair in the first place. I want my hair to thrive.

[@hershekissed]

$2k for that color in 2 days is worth it if her hair isn’t fried 💯