AGE | NYChrisG, EMP | Sanford Kelly, and Spooky blow up ...Collusion?

[@TheNobleProdigy]

"He's fucking playing boxer and you're playing Yang fuck outta here"... all I can say is that's beautiful

[@Zygotguy]

"Is this a button check? Get the fuck off my stream I'm not runnin this shit."

[@bertschmert]

To anyone criticizing Spooky: It is a strange place to be mentally for you to care enough about e-sports to watch a stream, but then think getting mad at collusion is "too much". Spooky is a major reason why SF is where it is today as a highly streamed, respected e-sport, and he didn't accomplish that by not giving a fuck.

[@thePhished]

Spooky didnt want trash on his stream. Simple.

[@nikkovalidor4890]

no shit like this at the scrublords : divekick finals. they keep it professional

[@ReallyPhilly215]

2017 and this is still a classic blow up

[@ringzy]

2021

[@AbstractHomosapien]

Shit first time seeing it, it’s 2022!!!

[@ciontachthecthonicchampion3576]

Yo

[@aerialss35]

Rn

[@sg-hunter]

from a fan of spooky, i have to say he was 100% spot on. like many have said, splitting the pot is up to the players. its their money at the end of the day but just throw away games is unprofessional and it affects more than just the two players. it demoralizes and puts into question the legitimacy of the FGC. also it affects spooky and his sponsors. it also affects spookys fanbase.

[@joshwon4291]

Arturo two-facing it up as usual...

[@LoadedKlip]

I like how much Art was laughing about collusion until Spooky got mad then Art was all serious.

[@XahGee]

Rare footage of Spooky actually angry.

[@fgrhfghrh]

If the match was not good, no one would watch it. If no one watches it, he makes no money. This is his job. He has every right to be angry.

[@Ramification_]

Spooky keeping it real. Guys have to realize that this is a problem that cannot be tolerated in the FGC. Respect. See, if players were smart, they would play for real, then after they win, do what they want with the money. As for BSing on stream, it is entirely unprofessional and calls the integrity of the FGC into question.

[@mugentv9995]

1:56 The sound of Spooky slamming his mic down LOL

[@maxpheby7287]

Splitting the pot at final is something that happens a LOT but there is always a tacit agreement that you play your best game for the trophy/pride and the fans.The reason for spooky's blow up was not because they were going to split the money but cos they didn't respect the tourney/his stream/the fans enough to play their best game.

[@Kaphore54]

Honestly I don't care if people split the pot in a tourney, that's their business, but to be disrespectful to the community that not only gives you a living and that so many people other than yourself are involved in is bullshit,

[@crazyinsane500]

So when's Mahvel?

[@PrestonGarveyofthesettlements]

I can't believe some people still don't understand. To those that don't understand, try running a tournament with help from sponsors and let this happen to see how long you remain a TO.

[@Zygotguy]

Is this what Woolie was talking about in Ep1 of the podcast?

[@alef321]

yes.

[@undeadjordyy]

Bro I was watching live when this shit happened lol

[@00benlee]

this is why spooky is the best. because of him, we get to see the streams. show the man some respect. he is the one that is showcasing you.

[@voodoopriestessXY]

"yo you serious?" "YEA I'M SERIOUS" dead

[@kole076]

This is my favorite thing ever. I watched this on stream and I fucking died laughing lol

[@YourDaddysBelt69]

You sure are easily amused.

[@RicksterLPs]

This was legendary back then and still legendary today. Don’t take no shit sp00ky. Respect

[@SmokinInsight]

That's disrespectful to the fullest.Out of all the people to do this to,they do it to Spooky?Spooky works his ass off for the FGC and this is how he's re-paid?Just thinking about it gets me frustrated.

[@SycoticSociety]

Congrats on standing up for fair play. Good shit

[@bradj6615]

colluding ruins the entire tounrament because there are people who not only actually want to see them play to there best, but there are also other participants who fought there hardest to get to that spot, and then people disrespect it because they are buddies... its really sad and fucked up.

[@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany]

Wait... Sandford Kelly... You mean Saltford Kelly?! The guy from the Rico Suave Mentos thing?!

[@KomatoseMKDOA]

Yes lol

[@azarel7]

How did it work? If you won one of the final games you get some of the prize money?

[@umyrongains4879]

Both of the players agreed to split the 1st place money ahead of time, so they don't play the grand final to win

[@azarel7]

@@umyrongains4879 Thanks!

[@Xankirin]

I understand the concept of colluding, although am not familiar with the competitive atmosphere of this game. What details (character picks, etc.) caused them to immediately suspect that this match was a collusion? Just curious.

[@KomatoseMKDOA]

Neither player has ever used those characters in a tournament or competitively. Never even said they were going to give them a try (let's be serious here. Sanford using Balrog in a tournament? No...). They just went into the match giving 50% instead of 100% like they should have because they didn't give a fuck as long as they are going 50/50 which is really immature and trolly of them. That's not what the steam monsters want to see and that's not what the sponsors want. Sponsors want quality matches not some halfass trolly matches.

[@d07a]

Fridaye1056 mon because the winner of the final gets paid the money. Why would you play your main character through a whole tournament and then when the actual money match is here pick a character you've never been seen playing before and are clearly shit with. You would want your best chance at winning no? pick your shit!

[@marioramirez6741]

Why split the pot? Wouldn't you want it all, what am i missing here?

[@DarkyMcDark]

Win it all or get nothing / Get half either outcome

[@KimCheonGi]

In addition, the players made it extremely obvious by picking characters they're not experienced with. This pisses off viewers and gets them to Ctrl+W, and broadcasters (Spooky in this case) get angry over lost viewership.

[@DarkyMcDark]

That too.

[@TheIndian211]

Generally it ruins the integrity of the tournament as well, which is another reason he pulled the plug.

[@oGR7o]

Arturo was having a blast with this collusion LOL.

[@keefee79]

I agree with this 100%. Its the principle of the whole thing. At least Spooky is standing up for it. Everyone else just letting it ride.

[@KurstKensei]

when does he say goin nuts

[@teflonbilly]

I love that Spooky lays down the law

[@nickr4837]

can't remember the year, but it was Evo 3s finals, and Daigo played KO. I thought maybe theyd 'go easy' since they were the last two players from the same country, but they produced the most epic battle of all time.

[@Evilkevin3]

wtf you talking about, they hit every combo except the balrog overhead which people drop all the time

[@goongamr1407]

so if they somehow got away with this... what would they had benefited from it

[@gangsta_oki1246]

Which NLBC was this? Does anyone remember?

[@617ksa]

The thing is spooky takes the time and energy to make a stream where players can make some money and play fighting and better there skills and btw people actually subscribe to his channel and when people bullshit around and don't play there best his stream will lose fans that's why the blow up happened.

[@MegaNightwolf1]

spooky is the best man truly you're the man bro

[@SomeAssh0le]

Man, when spooky gets angry it feels like something is just wrong with the universe at large. Feels bad man.

[@OMFGZORZ]

Don't know about sanford but didnt chris play yang for quite some time?

[@TheTripleTriadGamers]

sp00ky did us a favor. were they really pot splitting?

[@HanDaimond]

Props to Spooky for this decision, it's nice having someone like him representing the FGC.

[@josephjennings3177]

What is "collusing"? Could someone tell me..

[@josephjennings3177]

FoundNoNickname You lead.

[@hydraflyer]

Joseph Jennings Fuck you all.

[@josephjennings3177]

Steve John Don't tease me.

[@hydraflyer]

Sorry I couldn't resist.

[@TheyCallMeSledge]

God damn it people, is it really that hard to act as a decent human being on the internet or does all the anonymity of it gives you privilege to act like ill-mannered animals? Joseph Jennings Collusion, in FGC terms is when two competitors make a mutual agreement to split pot earnings after a match (normally after Grand Finals) with one person conceding to another by either not choosing their main characters or by treating the whole match as a joke. (Intentionally dropping combos, constantly laming matches out or some other stupid shit) It is frowned upon because it takes away from the seriousness and competitiveness of the match and pisses off other people who put in actual effort to compete in tournaments.

[@BlackGhost002]

so how did they know these guys was colluding?(I don't really play fighters so idk.)

[@mariotaz]

What video from TBF?

[@ehcopperage]

There's differences though, when you saw his morrigan you could see he had some strategy in it, when you saw his yang in this video there was nothing, arturo couldn't even do a balrog bnb.

[@FiRDrUmM3r613]

I don't get what happened in this video. what happened?

[@elspoko]

PumpAction Shawdy So basically these top players make it to top 2 and then instead of playing the matches normally, with the winner take all, they basically split first and second place winnings between the two. That way both players get money evenly, with no sore losers. This sometimes leads to the top 2 players playing like it was a casual set, instead of giving their all. This was par for the course at NLBC, BUT this also happened at the previous major in Marvel. Locals are one thing, but with major tournaments, you have a lot of viewership from average joes like us AND sponsors who could potentially pull their money. Imagine if an NFL team basically threw a game with wacky plays at the Super Bowl. Nike would be pissed. On top of all that, it delegitimizes the tournament that Spooky's showcasing. Spooky looks like he's holding a fraudulent tournament, which could have serious reprucusions for him if he ever wanted to keep going with streaming.

[@mxtra22]

Spock and thats what is really whack to me. Why not still play a regular match and just do whatever with the pot afterwards. With this being Spookys stream I dont blame him for being mad. Grand Finals is supposed to be the biggest and best match of the night. Nobody tuned in to see this shit.

[@A2Ragnell]

+Spock A great example of collusion is the Black Sox Scandal in 1919. The Chicago White Sox players threw games in the World Series to get money from gamblers.

[@shizuai2717]

(colluding means) To act together secretly to achieve a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful

[@TheApatheticGuy]

They didn't exactly deny colluding.

[@escajeda2010]

I wonder wat yipes would of done

[@dethkid7]

i wish i can hear what spooky's actually saying

[@thetacticianofold3607]

I love spooky for this

[@BarbarossaSC2]

The FGC, RTS, etc communities have tournaments. Sometimes big money is on the line. The fanbases of these competitive games have high expectations of top tier players. Replace FGC with MLB, NFL, NHL, whatever organization runs the sport you like to watch, then compare it with the World Series Final Four, or even a rivalry matchup. Do you get it now? It's not just a video game to this community. Baseball/Basketball/Football is just a game, no need to get so excited about it Kappa.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Last time people threw a match in baseball, it cost Shoeless Joe Jackson his career and a spot in the hall of fame. Players who do this shit should be banned from future participation in the involved tourney.

[@ThePEXE3000]

can anybody tell me if spooky has a channel or a live stream that he uploads daily?

[@BlackGhost002]

whats colluding?

[@biospark37]

you're scaring me spooby BibleThump

[@Vastspartan]

Spooky SETS UP Evo. How is he running a small tournament shitty?

[@YoungsterJoey1]

Ohh man, I wouldn't want to miss with Spooky when he's going NUTS

[@fliperotchy]

Pretty sure that's Arturo, not Sp00ky. Idk...

[@fliperotchy]

I withdraw my comment. Sp00ky freaks out.

[@MaGariShun]

hmm? I use Yang and you can definitely do it. It doesn't work on every character, but on Balrog i think it does as long as you do it right.

[@Stchamps]

It's not really "colluding" if the agreement is not secret.

[@mike0dude]

colluding is when two or a group of person who are supose to compete againts each other agree to cheat and pick a person who will win in a match and then split the pot.

[@Pokeysaurus]

Incorrect. A weekly tournament is for whatever the organizer(s) of the tourny says it's for. If he says it's for working on secondary stuff, then that's what it's about. If he says it's for seeing who was the best that week, then that's what it's about.

[@SpoonOfHawaii]

I like how spooky is probably one of the most dedicated people in the FGC and yet everyone shits on him when he's passionate about what he loves.

[@ehcopperage]

I meant sanford, not arturo haha.

[@zxadvent19]

That's part of the reason why, but like he said, if either of them actually cared about the match, they'd complain that Spooky stopped the match and not letting them compete instead of the semantics of the characters they chose.

[@Stephen13529]

"Why aren't they complaining about me pulling the plug". Real talk, they just kept on complaining about being forced to play a character, they don't even care about their grand final match.

[@yazoo55]

Who are you to judge if a player is colluding or not ? It's pretty obvious in this vid but when Infiltration picked Hakan against Rog at EVO, was it an "happy accident" ? This rule on colluding and reactions like Spooky had are only making things worse and more complicated. Colluding is wrong, but those kind of reactions aren't smart either.

[@SolidSnake3286]

yo collusion aaAAAAaaaAAAA

[@nikkovalidor4890]

i dont get the "collusion" here, and no i am not familiar with the whole fighting game competitive circuit. can someone explain what just happened to a person who has no idea?>

[@shaveice8223]

They both picked characters they have never used once in tournament and planned to just split the prize money 50/50. This ruins tournaments and from what I've seen this has happened before. Sorry for late reply lol

[@ExBrutalion]

Sanford doesn't play Balrog... AT ALL. He plays Sagat, and Cammy. Chris G plays Sakura. If they were seriously playing, it would be their mains.

[@Radric33]

Uhh no, Spooky is a big FGC streamer; as viewers we dont' want to see some some lame Grand Finals. They better pick their strongest characters and fight. It's a loss on viewers for the stream; which is less money and a waste of time for the sponsors. Collusion is not tolerated anywhere anymore. The Streamers have to take a stand against players. If you think this was an overreaction, you should check out : /watch?v=8Y_if5seR60&channel=Joshl92

[@joelchavez5741]

RESPECT! if that was me I would of tossed there ass out. two questions come to me about this. How do you know when someone isn't is just trying to counter pick? So one person has to pick there main in order for it not to be collusion in a counterpick? The other question should you have to just register your character at the start of the tourny and by allowed to counterpick but tell the organize ur about to counterpick? the guy that made hdremix used the rule in tourny, forgot what it was called

[@Dragonaires]

If they don't give their all in the fight then people can't really see their full techniques, combos and secret strategies to copy.

[@Mundane05]

What I don't get is, if they wanna split the pot, why don't they just play like they normally would and THEN split the pot? Why do they have to choose characters they don't usually use, and play shitty?

[@Kurasa]

Was the match actually thrown or was it just a pot split? Agreeing to a prize split and then battling out the finals is not collusion. Who cares if they chose to play alts?

[@SuperFlyingPotatoe]

Daaaaamn Spooky laying down the LAW

[@thezquad]

I understand, what, the morals but I don't understand, in terms of finances. What is the big deal with colluding?

[@thezquad]

***** Thanks. Was wondering what the big deal was but now I understand.

[@cold1somnus]

Not really comparing, he is speaking figuratively....

[@TheSaltyRice]

Spooky is so going NUTZ

[@LocalJanitor6]

that yuri in the background lmao

[@JoshMonreaux]

I really wanna hear Spooky say, "...goin' nUtsss."

[@JaHaskins12]

Difference is Infiltration plays Hakan and Hakan is a Hard Counter to Balrog.

[@AtomicToyRobot]

Spooky telling you how it is!

[@evileye9800]

Spab and Chris Hu really want to finally win one of these, but the actual grand finalists are not picking their shit and taking the tourny seriously. They were joking about collusion the whole night, but when it actually did take place in the tourny I'm glad Spooky did something about it. Even though its just a weekly, not a major, I feel these top players should really put on a show for us players that might not be as strong, and want to learn from these top gamers. Spooky, you're right.

[@mnm121314]

good stuff to spooky. copy and paste from one of the comments below. "You obviously don't understand the situation. Its a video game, but its a real tournament scene with money, not to mention sponsors. Collusion can put into question the validity of the whole operation and make not only the people at FGC look bad, but also the sponsors. If people want to fuck around they can do it on their own time. He is acting like a professional by not letting jackasses ruin it for everyone." understand that when MONEY IS INVOLVED, it is not longer a game. sports is the best example. at the end of the day, NBA, NFL, MLB etc., IS NOT A GAME. money is involved and people make bets. if there's signs of cheating, it makes the sport questionable and people have the right to go berserk if they lose money

[@AppleJack4000]

IMO If both players knew they were in the right, they would have confronted spOOky more directly. Instead, they sort of just stood around in a circle and argued amongst themselves. The player's reactions to the unplugging pretty much confirms sp00ky's suspicions.

[@Mugen123456789]

hahaha arturo having the fucking time of his life with this collusion

[@lirovaldo]

Spooky should have waited for them to play at least two more matches, just to be sure, then act. I understand his anger though, it isn't easy to remain calm after seeing the same shit over and over again.

[@VictorVonDoom909]

Spooky is going NUTZ! Lmao.

[@luisg317]

What does respect have to do with it? It doesn't matter if they want to win if they can't beat ChrisG.

[@Br0kenWarrior]

I don't care that they split the pot, but pros more or less should be the most competitive, like the win should be worth more than the money

[@nikkovalidor4890]

oh ok, but even in that case, like dota 2, tournaments have the "team ban system" you can remove selected heroes from the roster to pretty much rule out your opponents best heroes and what happens mostly is people suddenly pull out heroes that were considered unused and then turn around the whole meta game since no one has yet trained against heroes like that.

[@TrueSephiros]

A weekly to me should be just as important because they are the lines that keep people to stay in tuned with the game because their aren't majors every week. Everything starts out small and you have to put the effort on all parts if you wish the community and the viewers to grow. If someone who has never seen a major up to this point watched and said "This is what the FG community is all about?!" then drop it then yeah, it does matter. Play it real, you can always split the pot later.

[@azngoku666]

hi youtube user Alfrebaut, chrisG is known for playing morrigan. he's not known for playing yang. they both obviously changed their characters to impractical ones, and this makes a mockery of the tournament they're playing in. it's irrelevant whether people want to see sanford's sagat vs dieminion's guile for the millionth time. cu@preschool

[@SlamThenJam]

It's not so much that they split the pot, it's that they don't take the grand finals seriously. It just makes those who put effort into organizing the tournament frustrated; they feel like their efforts aren't worth anything. The problem is that the players are ruining the spectacle of the grand finals. They can split the pot, just give everyone what they came to watch: a solid match between the two strongest players in the tournament.

[@GooseDaPlaymaker]

Spooky did good. These clowns don't realize that it's BIGGER than just the litttle bit of change you get, for winning the tourney. Keep up the Crackdown, T.O.'s...

[@jlr726]

Right spooky has a good point I don't blame him like that is disrespecting him stream.... And mundane you make a good point

[@amerikaOnFire]

I know it happens every week because Spooky mentioned that quite a number of times. This is not their couch. This is a tournament even if it's not a major. Not that that seems to matter to some people (especially ChrisG). People want to see good play and not two guys dicking around playing casuals on their couch. It's perfectly understandable to not want that on his stream because it affects him, his audience and potentially his income. So step back and get some perspective.