Age of Empires 4 - The EXPLOSIVE Chinese Lategame!

[@AkshayPrasadrocks]

Hi, I would really like it if you could go over the endgame stats like the timeline and stuff. I really like looking at that after the games

[@callanbrown8571]

Agree. 2 minutes on the graphs and stats could teach us a lot.

[@amitbharat]

+1

[@x_millerboi_x7543]

Agreed

[@jacobs909]

Agree, thats a great idea.

[@CalussSelected]

+1

[@ManChickin]

There was alot of focus of China here... bit this Delhi was absolutely outstanding.. baiting, spliting troops, cutting the lancers off, staying on top of walls economy, sacrificing spears to bait a charge then counter charging... immense player. lee could of taken the game a couple of times, but the Delhi scrambled just enough forces every time to scare him off

[@firmanimad]

Crazy game! Love how Leenock split his Firelancers and charge in waves, keeping the explosion cycled. And Delhi responsed by sending small spearmen clumps as sacrificial waves. An intense micro duel, which ironically ended cause he lost the macro.

[@olivialambert4124]

I have to love some of the commentary here. "What did your mum tell you, she said make stables son make stables", and the comments on air conditioning. It feels more like you're hanging out with a friend whos teaching you than it does a commentator dictating a professional sport. I fell in love with watching smash for the same reason and its a big part of what really pulled me in to AoE 4 despite being so bad myself. Pretty amazing game too, I was sure BlueElephanto was going to tap out almost the whole way through. I get a feeling fire lancers might be next to meet the nerf axe.

[@lull0314]

spearman bracing bug is so brutal to delhi player

[@amitbharat]

I'm always looking for underdog wins...hence Delhi win, that too coming from a fight between high ranked players is just amazing. But more than that hats off to Aussie's charged commentary that keeps us on our toes throughout the match...keep pumping in red bull there lol!!

[@Lorddraigo]

The bug with honed blades isn't that it's time increases with scholars (that's just keeps). Honed blades has 15x research time when it should be 5x as an age 3 research.

[@AvocadoTheBugCat]

I don’t understand why anyone would play a civ with such a major bug.

[@Rawsawn]

@@AvocadoTheBugCat because.. elephants ;D

[@xvxnightmaresxvx]

Elephants are compelling

[@yc5117]

27:16 currently you don't have to have all the mosques connected for the network, they just all give the benefit. unsure whether its intended, but its come to be known as "mosque wifi"

[@tqhung169]

This looks like Leenock first time using FIre Lancer and he got carried away by their power

[@uprisingtv9291]

Facts

[@Vatolicious]

What a crazy match. Never seen Dehli played so well.

[@syamim9839]

as i saw both faction, Delhi vs Chinese, i knew this will be a lategame war. My gosh, it was right, and the hype from your commentary was superb man!

[@Atheist269]

29:46 TACTICAL NUKE on those villagers lmao. most epic nest of bees shot ive seen so far.

[@mjwu786]

"Do either of you know what a stone wall is" lololololol

[@user-tj5yg5pk8v]

Yeah if Lee was shooting from stone walls it would have made a lot of difference

[@tubebrocoli]

aaaand the Delhi spearmen being unable to brace and cancel cavalry charges makes a huge difference

[@travisdunlap4526]

Now imagine if those spears could have braced!

[@lilveeman]

'G' day from Sydney. Awesome commentary Drongo. Really impressed by how quickly you release content and the high quality of your commentary. Learned so much from you brother.

[@DroidFreak36]

I think the Delhi military population bug is related to the tower war elephants. Probably the units riding the elephants count towards the military population.

[@jasonsmith1950]

I think it's actually the fishing boats being counted as both civilian and military (due to the archer on them).

[@DroidFreak36]

@@jasonsmith1950 That could be as well.

[@ComteJaner]

That spear bracing bug is disgusting. It's not nice to exploit that with firelancers...

[@ComteJaner]

so glad Dehli still won

[@melonchilisauce4219]

watching those fire lancers flatten a horde of spears hurts my soul

[@user-tj5yg5pk8v]

For China, throw in hand cannon and grenadier to max explosive dmg and strengthen the comp. His walls were defensive with no economy macro.

[@Graznul]

The Nest of Bee´s reminds me everytime on the Nebelwerfer from Company of Heroes 1. They had a great sound too.

[@TLR6843]

This is a scuffed match with the Delhi spears not bracing bug.

[@Sjimbwow]

So is animation-cancelling totally fine? I have a hard time making rules for myself on online play between what is considered ok to do and what not. When I'm animation cancelling my elephants when they raze buildings it kind of feels like cheating. But then this animation cancelling with scouts should be considered cheating too.

[@stephenwolf2170]

I play Dota and stuffs like these are actually appreciated as a micro'ing skills. Why do we have an opposite perception here?

[@Sjimbwow]

@@stephenwolf2170 Oh it's not necesarily opposite, I'ts more like asking the community if it is considered cheating or not. The fact that the devs took out the animation cancelling for shooting deers with scouts when that became something people did often got me also confused to what their intentions are on this subject.

[@michaelcorser4350]

Spearmen actually getting hit by the fire lancer charge attack if the spearmen have their torches out is a really interesting micro game.

[@jcrisci01]

Drongo you’re such a goat! I commented yesterday that I’d like to see this matchup and idk if you saw it or not but here it is. Keep up the good work!

[@yabayaba8267]

I miss Leenock's performance in GSL. Good to see him back at AOE4

[@jonathankelly4222]

Linebacker is correct. They look for breaks in the line and pursue the quarterback on a blitz.

[@jrg7777]

Near the end, he had to go for the less defended sacred site or he would have lost anyway.

[@Geralt.5261]

The firelancer nest of bees combo is disgusting. The only counter i can think of are spearmen, a lot of springalds and prayers.

[@scarcedesert5073]

Unless you are Delhi or HRE, whom both suffer from bugged spearmen. Honestly the Delhi player in this game did great. But fire lancer spam vs Delhi or HRE is so absurd since they have no unit counters.

[@NapalmZombie16]

I love some of the random rants you go into, amazing video

[@brianm27]

"BOOM BOOM BOOM, must be the Vengaboys." Im laughing so hard LMAO

[@EggTronics31]

Leenocks kill to death ratio will be insane. He basically vapourised 100s of enemy units.

[@felipeuseche332]

Man. That spesr bug hurts, or those fire lancers need a nerrf. Its crazy having that domoninace almost all game without walls, keeps and on 60 villagers...

[@wusenrob]

On what you said about Delhi being the underdog civ, I would say Abbasid is mostly the underdog civ that people forget is in the game. Delhi is just the weird kid

[@sfisabbt]

Nest of bees and fire lancers can deal with most compositions but they don't do much against elephants. Bombards can kill elephants but elephants are faster. Leenok should have made some spears, he already had the blacksmith technologies for them.

[@Dhhdjdjdj46]

People weren’t just scared of Hopoate’s big hits drongo! 👍

[@paxtabhan]

Man, I kept waiting for the stone walls. That could've easily changed the game. Great commentary as always AussieD!

[@zeroyuki92]

Once they fix the spearmen brace bugs, fix the delhi related bugs, and change the fire lancer blast radius to actually have...proper damage calculated based on the radius itself, this game would finally be in a quite balanced state. At the very least people now use actual army comp rather than just spamming just springalds, but hopefully Relic hurry themselves and launch the fix patch asap.

[@Taylor-li7hp]

Counter to fire lancer comp = spearmen. Just doesn’t work for Delhi now

[@Blottingpaper]

I reckon compound of the defender would have been the better choice for castle age. since the men at arms were barely even used. Stone walls everywhere laugh at the firelancers. So fire lancers.. if you're building just one unit type isn't that an issue?

[@solidaritytime3650]

I'm here exclusively for the Air Conditioning sub-plot. What's Age of Empires?

[@kimpa843]

springalds and spears who are actually not bugged i guess, fire lancers just get destroyed by spears.

[@tubebrocoli]

yeah, in this case they were literally being charged by fire lancers because they can't brace

[@fernandomontejo986]

War elephants (the melee one) are still criminally underrated imho. They do better than tower elephants against fire lancers

[@braindmgindustries]

30k views and less than 1k likes... every Drongo vid should have 1:1 views and likes in my opinion! Great vid as always

[@frodo6185]

The content machine delivers again. Thank you good sir

[@ananthukrishna5259]

finally a match which NoBs dont stop fireing after 2 rockests and decide to enjoy the view...

[@scuzo471]

fire lancers are gunpowder, atleast i feel that i have clearly seen the charge increase in range when u get pyrotechnics

[@LYKAN3EATS]

the best game ive seen so far, this was such an exciting match and i learned a lot

[@stixy3600]

Units literally named Fire Lancers Drongo: hes like a Frost Mage

[@mowgaz3439]

i think he meant the artillery animation

[@male_maid5951]

this just shows how big the biggy spearmen are for dehli... those firelances should of been wrecked so many times had bracing worked properly

[@guillaumed925]

Nice game and good comentator !!

[@eatingtuna9313]

It would have been a different game if the delhi spear bug didnt stop them from bracing against those fire lancers.

[@chayseconroy7525]

Hapowati ?? Haven’t heard about that guy in honks hahaha

[@MiLiTiaAn]

39:30 Groundhog day

[@BSEUNHIR]

You counter this by flaming relic on twitter until they finally fix bracing for delhi and HRE. Oh, and mangonels. Man, I was so sad to see our Chinese player not fixing his macro all game. Good job holding on for 40 minutes with a ~40% deficit in eco. Imagine all the extra bombards he could have had. So sad.

[@jasonsmith1950]

I suspect a few war elephants would have also helped. They're bulkier and do bonus damage against cavalry, and I suspect Blue Elephant could have found a way to get them to actually engage. Still would be a hard matchup (especially once the bombards came out).

[@Aspiringamoeba1997]

Finally, vengeance for Delhi

[@Yeetus223]

You can send tons of fire lancers. But, can you stand tons of elephants?

[@user-tj5yg5pk8v]

Abbasid can wololo without relics. You can mind control whole groups with many holy people and shift click.

[@MGPL_]

THE Leenock?? Oh my!

[@lilveeman]

Delhi player should have invested in war elephants earlier. They slaughter fire lancers and resist the AoE from them and Nest of Bees. If fire lancers ran away from them then even better as the elephants can simply march into base and destroy all the landmarks. Game lasted way longer than it should have.

[@henrylaz8964]

Elephants are extremely slow and countered by bombards though. You can see in the video, with 3 bombards he two-shotted one tower war elephant. If you want to play war elephants, it is crucial to keep them hidden from scout and march towards enemy base in very large group to overwhelm them before any bombards are out.

[@lilveeman]

@@henrylaz8964 I agree that bombards can counter, but that would only be possible at Age 4. The elephants could be trained in the castle age and rushed over to Chinese base when he saw his commitment to the Fire lancers and NoBs

[@HotPockets88]

I got a dumb question maybe lol... why don't you ever hear about AOE1 or 3? Like players are always coming from either warhammer or AOE 2?

[@Lorddraigo]

Don't know the exact reasons, but aoe3 was not well received by the community. Everyone stayed with aoe2 since it was the better game.

[@robleonard222]

There are quite a few players from AOE3 as well though and Drongo used to be an AOE3 player/caster

[@saker3ze528]

hello there drongo.. im a huge fan i love your content and i watch u on a daily bases .. ive got a suggestion about delhi in aoe4 .. u can make a trap in an outpost .. 5 elephants .. idk if it has ever been used .. im not that good of a player myself but i would like to see you do it sometime

[@Youtuber111-p2x]

you can't put elephants in an outpost

[@saker3ze528]

@@KZbinr111-p2x they removed it? It was a thing

[@MichaelLwin2011]

Nock nock....who's there? Its me Dumbo x 100

[@skage5136]

35:02 Nice

[@temporaryname8905]

Since there is no friendly fire just build 20 Mangonels Vs that comp with knights as the vanguard

[@zanzacreuma9679]

Where is blue elephanto in rank? I Didn't find anymore

[@Snapshot.Geo07]

delhi spear got a bug that the spears don't brace so ....

[@galren208]

Delhi is so buggy the lazy villagers in New Horizons talk about them.

[@Dave-nk9hr]

This game would have been like 10 minutes shorter is Dehli's spearmen weren't bugged >_

[@Rawsawn]

The no wall of China

[@AkiZukiLenn]

nerf handcannon they said elephant :

[@Janovich]

Its not overly e'fish'ent :')

[@TheScarp21]

I dont think stone wall is that expensive for all it could pay, they really need to rethink of stone walling in the future

[@joeysteel1864]

commenting to push the algorithm

[@zwojack7285]

Ef-fish-ent, heh

[@ronankendrick633]

What a game that was!

[@FinancesH2O]

ok.. the AC !!!!Here it's minus 20 lol

[@6million1]

The only reason fire lancers did well is because dehli spears bug meaning they cant brace and cancel the aoe damage on the charge. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DOING THE AOE DAMAGE!

[@Rawsawn]

I guess use men at arms,save the wood and apply to light cav to counter nest of bees, slowly buy surely take out nest of bees until china runs out of gold. Use more scouts to see them comming for you with the hits. I wouldnt be able to stop this, but since this is pro players id imagine its not far fetched. Or better yet make a walltrain with units on top and watch cav and nest of bees do almost nothing

[@henrythehilux3963]

What a great game. Was so good to see the cheesy fire lancers lose

[@ElefanT1396]

I like rugby :D 25:30

[@phpremco]

oof, if his economy was a tad better he could have won that game 10-15 minutes before the end without stone walls. 1 firelancer blob running to his landmarks and it's over

[@germanturkish1664]

pls dont focus on civs or player, focus on both but a great job anyway like always, keep it up 👍

[@joethepotato972]

Always good to see Chinese FL and siege cheese lose.

[@highping100]

It's not even cheese imo. It's what Chinese civ have left except IO.

[@kongou6548]

bcuz chinese other units r so useless, grenadier? can u even survive until ming dynasty? KEKW

[@user-tj5yg5pk8v]

@@kongou6548 12 min Ming, grenadiers are gg

[@highping100]

@@user-tj5yg5pk8vBuilding Imperial Age landmark twice is not cheap, at least in 1v1. You will become extremely late to have troops and lose to critical mass if enemy know what to do.

[@highping100]

@@user-tj5yg5pk8v The most reliable strategy on China so for is fast castle MaA + siege, follow by FL, as I know. Chinese builder can make castle age happened within 7 and half minutes.

[@changliu7346]

Feels like leenock is just trying out these units rather than try hard to win the game

[@hupiri2868]

Make delhi great again !

[@ezspacemx8675]

just a suggestion... compressor filter

[@jcrisci01]

Sure fire lancers are op but this was so dumb on Blue Elephants behalf. He knos his spearmen are bugged and can’t brace so why keep feeding the fire lancers? Just make other units or split them up. Fire lancers are so easy to counter and blue elephant did such a bad job.

[@imperium_vox]

What other units ?

[@temporaryname8905]

You know what this game needs? Petards.

[@catbert7]

That comp is super strong but... that's about all Lee had going for him. Not the greatest strategist, let's say. On the other hand, Blue really should have been splitting more and sending in just a few spears ahead of the main force, to soak the charge damage.

[@Tizonwar8]

No strat from leenock whole game

[@maplelief_dreaming]

I have never seen a player playing Chinese and win.. the heck is it that hard to play it?

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

"Madrassa" means "house of war." A mosque is a madrassa.

[@Youtuber111-p2x]

what no it doesn't. who lied to you?

[@Youtuber111-p2x]

mosque is a house of prayer and a madrasa is an islamic college of instruction. please don't be spewing some off the rail stuff.

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

@@KZbinr111-p2x The Islamic caliphate is a theocracy. It's all interconnected with religion and governance.

[@anupamkakkar]

Leenock has no idea how to play with Chinese. It was sad he couldn't innovate like Elephant

[@uprisingtv9291]

Epic game

[@mowgaz3439]

He couldve won with Springals

[@JamesSmith-fl1is]

CAST GRUBBY

[@tradingaid]

Chinese is the best CIV... S Tier. The rest will catchup

[@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor]

No, sorry, that needs fixed. Starting a keep should cost 100 stone and then subtract in 100s by increments, and if the player runs out of stone before the keep is finished, then the keep sits there unfinished. Perhaps parts of the keep could go up in increments as well so you get partial defensive measures. Cathedrals back in the days took decades to make, and sometimes the builders ran into problems, such as running out of stone or being stalled because of wars. This can be fixed.

[@СтаниславЙорданов-щ9ы]

Fire lancers need big nerf