Age of Mythology Retold: Cavalry Tier List!

[@Orine7]

Oh yes... the spirit of the law for aom is beginning

[@martytu20]

SotL rule 101- Lanchester Square law is king.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Haha I wish, spirit of the law is way out of my league

[@gabrielkazanowski5637]

I wish 🙏

[@30Salmao]

Hope you get this job. Would be awesome

[@Pyromaniac77777]

@@IamMagicAOMbut this is just the kind of video he'd make! :)

You know it's gonna be a banger when the tier list includes an excel spreadsheet. Good work!

[@IamMagicAOM]

thanks!

[@Yojimbo991]

I love the fact that you don't go off of feels and thoughts, that you actually compare numbers and show us examples of why certain units are better then others, wish all tier list where like this.

[@2nightwehunt]

This is EXCEPTIONAL. You did a good data analysis and also considered real game situations....and you actually have the experience to do this. Please continue with other types of units. Siege, myth, heroes, infantry...WORKERS...Thanks!

[@chimps121]

A video in the future on good beginner habits, and how to gain information and what tells should lead to what conclusions could be helpful. I'm very new and while I may execute my Age I-II build order well enough for my level, sometimes I can't tell during the game if I should boom or rush, I don't know how to place my Oracles, when I should take berries vs when to take a hunt away from my base, how to gather information about the opponent and how to respond to things they do. I realise you have covered these topics during other videos but I guess I'd benefit from talk about how to apply general principles I suppose? Similar to chess where they say control the center and don't leave hanging pieces I suppose. Your content helps a lot!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Good idea!

[@arturhazel4568]

THIS!

[@TheGreatTusks]

This would help me too!! It would be nice to elevate my PvP skills.

[@turn-around-m2p]

Its really cool to see u starting YT and stuff after retold release. Was enjoying your replays like 7+ years ago, and cool to see it all come back together) Train more son

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thanks for the support!

[@carlosmarquez2725]

12:37 Just checked, a Murmillo has 4.5 Speed, what's more is that the Berserk has 4.8 Speed, same as the Jarl.

[@natakuu13]

In aom and aom titans, didn't jarl have bonus against myth units? *edit-autocorrect put Karl lol

[@biowiener7825]

@@natakuu13 yes they did, idk why they dont have that anymore, maybe because of the godi?

[@EmhyrvarSpice]

​@@biowiener7825Sounds possible. They do have an upgrade with Njord that gives them some bonus against myth though.

[@kujothebear9937]

sick! love the educational AOM content

[@philipp561]

Thanks for another very educational video! I can understand why you didn't want to get into all the tech, but I think some techs that really change the value of the unit and shape your whole strategy should be addressed. You already talked about Njord's Ring Giver being such a game changer for Jarls with its 25% HP and the bonus against myth units (especially if you also got Freya's Thundering Hooves for another 10% HP and 10% speed). Here are some more: - Osiris' Desert Wind is insane for Camels with 20% HP, attack and speed, especially if you're Ra and already get 15% HP. It's a myth tech of course, but worth rushing. - Toth's elephants with Tusks of the Apedemak 10% attack and pop/cost reduction and Valley of the Kings for fast production and a essentially half the cost (on one Migdol at least) makes elephants spammable. - Dionysus' Thracian Horses gives 30% lifesteal with the newest patch I think and afaik also works with the splash of Hetairos. In any case, fully upgraded Hetairos (Lord of Horses, Spirited Charge, Dionysia and Oympian Weapons) sound super strong. - Speaking of Hermes' Spirited Charge, that's a classical tech that makes Hippeus slightly faster than RC with its 10% speed and attack. Freyja' Thundering Hooves can do the same thing for RC in classical though. - Lastly, Theia makes Contarius even better with Lance of Stone giving them 15% attack and 30% slow and Poseidon's Secret 10% speed and -15% cost (bonus points for raiding when being Oranos with +4 LoS on all units, giving them 18). Also, while Hippeus are slower than RC, all three Greek gods can upgrade LoS from 12 to 16 in classical (Poseidon's Lord of Horses or Apollo's Oracle) which can be similarly important. There are also relics for 10% speed and +6 LoS, that make mobility abuse of Hippeus and RC even more viable if you find them (and there's a 10% HP one for even more insane Hetairos and Migdol units).

[@IamMagicAOM]

Excellent points !

[@Molonelgg]

Thanks for the stats bro!

[@pedroreis7078]

Amazing content as always, you're gonna make our task to understand the game really easy bringing so much details! I agree with the tier list and there are a couple of things I don't like about Raiding Cavarly which is the training time (18s is kinda slow) and the fact that you need a building costing 135 resources to get them. About the Poseidon special Hetaroi I didn't know the AoE thing for them are that good, I can see a strategy where you get Spirited Charge, Lord of the Horses and Tracian Horses to mass produce those in mythical, they would be really hard to kill with all those upgrades

[@IamMagicAOM]

Great points !

[@rabeiabdallah6146]

Finally teacher magic back

[@Archdemonization]

Hey Magic love the video, as a new player to AOM and RTS in general, I really struggle with upgrades. I focus too much on eco and pumping out units and scouting that I most times forget to plan or use upgrades ( talking about god upgrades in general) would love a video on how should a new player think about/ play around upgrades to elevate their gameplay.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Good idea, will add it to my list !

[@Archdemonization]

@@IamMagicAOM Great looking forward to it!

[@dinodubin9241]

wont lie, hetairos do be having mad horse drip, but my favorite looking cav has to be contarius because of how it looks in age 4 heroised

[@mattyIce42E]

Thanks! Really awesome content. Learning so much about the game by just watching and listening to your thoughts. It's crazy how good you're at this game.

[@Dreska_]

As a singleplayer-only noob, war elephants carried me hard. As a defensive unit, they rarely die (meaning you're not constantly bleeding resources) and you can heal them up again with priests. Tanks for your laser crocs.

[@petrosstefanidis6396]

Greek here: Because the mispronunciation really drives me crazy, it's eepéphs (hippeus) and eepíece (hippeis). Great video btw, thanks for sharing all that useful info.

[@hazenoki628]

I think it'd make sense to use a classical pronunciation for this rather than a modern one, so with the h being pronounced. Still doesn't make the video's pronunciation right though!

[@calvinwood7120]

Just caught the Archer tier list, love that you’re pumping these out!

[@BlistekDuLac]

Many SoTL vibes with all this data, tests and good explanations. Really good work mate! I hope u get fun with the edit process and keep u doing it because its amazing

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thanks a ton!

[@choomanfoo157]

I learn so much from your channel, thank you, you are an authority figure when it comes to AOM.

[@antonioiborra8]

now being the goat in youtube ! I like this tier videos so well explained even more than a build order

[@logicftw7700]

Video on the top 5, 10, whatever clickbait title things that top ranked players are doing which intermediates / beginners aren’t. Keep up the good videos my man you are crushing it.

[@JustABaleenWhale]

This is SUCH an awesome video! Thank you for making it! This is exactly the kind of video I wish I could make, but am too garbage at maths / spreadsheets /competitive analysis to do 😅. I thought this was going to be a vibe-based tier list; but you went above and beyond with tests, math, statistics, and detailed breakdown/analysis. Amazing stuff! Are you going to make something similar for the other unit types? I'd love to watch!! Great job, again!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah I’d like to! This was fun for me too

[@theUNDERFISTER]

Love these tier lists with excel documents. Great work, more of it!

[@legend374]

love the numbers crazy chariots are cav too , issue is they can miss without balistics and they get countered by cav and archers , hope to see more of these really great videos

[@Adribird]

I think Hetairos beats even camels if you have a good mass (they also have more speed than shown in your table thanks to Poseidon). An area damage of 2.5 is brutal when there is significant mass. Maybe Prodromos, Hirdman, Katapeltes and myth units are the only thing that stop that unit in Late Game. S-Tier in my opinion.

[@IamMagicAOM]

good points yeah

[@toufexisk]

Very informative! Honestly I was surprised the turma were not in here. Sure they they function very differently to the default cavalry but they for sure function as a raider.

[@GoldenSkeeter]

Magic is S tier content creator

[@sirgodua]

I think the only thing that separates you and Spirit of the Law right now is some production values. Record it, edit it, add some background music and fitting footage and you will be golden. Yes, that would take 3x the time. But I guess if you choose the topics you want to cover carefully and focus on quallity, I think you can make some supplementary income from KZbin by getting the crown of the best AoM KZbinr. Maybe not what you aspire to be, it would require some sacrfices. Let me just put it this way, I was interested in the topic, but I didn't sit through the whole video and cliked here and there (so I had to do the job of finding the most important talking points). If you did an edited semi-scripted 10-min version of this, I would watch it all the way through. Please, don't get me wrong, I love your content and learned a ton from it. Thanks a lot for reading.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thank you!

[@patrickburke2187]

Jarl is just missing something. I can understand if they want the Jarl to be the “high base stat” Heavy Cavalry, but it just doesn’t bring enough to the table. In my opinion, I think they should give the Jarl an effect that reduces the effect of anti-cav bonus damage it takes by like 50%. I don’t think it’s really designed to be an oppressive presence on the map so much as it is to lead the charge and sponge up damage when you’re sieging your opponents base late game. The problem is, anti-cav multipliers are so high, and units like the prodromos exist, so the idea of “bulky frontline cav” just doesn’t really work in practice. Jarls die too quickly and are outmaneuvered too easily by other cavalry.

[@IamMagicAOM]

agreed

[@robertjuh]

This is actually the first time i've seen a data driven tierlist

[@Gospelgg]

I found this very informative. Thank you!

[@AMDGBananaBen]

Nice Magic! Also, keep in mind for those who are stat goblins like me, the stats here such as speed is not factoring in extra Minor God related tech (these are just the base versions), such as Freyja for Norse Cavalry, Poseidon+Hermes, Theia+Lush for Contarius and so on =) So best case scenario this actually moves Contarius up to the top at 7.7 Speed with the Lush+Theia combo and Camel Riders then become number 2 at 7.2 Speed with Desert Wind. So factoring that in or heck not even mentioning the funny Lush buff and with Theia alone the Contarius end up an extremely well rounded unit. Oh also of note is that again thanks to Theia, Contarius also has the best slowing effect (at least from memory) so that's fun and makes them even better at chasing down units hehe

[@IamMagicAOM]

Awesome info! Love that, yeah I didn’t go into the techs and bonuses as it would have taken a bit too long and I had to run haha maybe in a future one

[@TurboDiego37]

Dont know if you are already taking it into account but if you heroize the contarius it moves even faster

[@AMDGBananaBen]

@@TurboDiego37 Exactly, that stats I posted before were for said Hero Contarius so good pickup there =) Very speedy lads, same with Hero Turma as well since the also benefit from Theia's upgrade for a max speed of 7.3 (with Theia upgrade +Lush).

[@Angels-Haven]

I gotta echo what a few other commenters are saying, an AOM spirit of the law type channel would be amazing! I'm down for more build order guides too!

[@marcusfrånlund]

Would love to see this for the other unit types aswell

[@ManchmalGaming]

As a Centaur enjoyer I enjoyed this vid!

[@joewatermelon]

this is an amazingly in depth video holy

[@karnak4188]

Thanks for your content. Do you plan to make a full guide for each civ ? (for pvp/ranked purpose) to play the civilisations at their most potential ? Including new changes from retold ? My request is more about a ''advanced guide'' to improve pvp (such as talking about different strats, meta, civilisations starts/specificities etc...) :) I played a lot against titan+ ai, now I want to try pvp but I can't find a real guide that isn't outdated or just meant for beginners to start against ai/campaign.

[@IamMagicAOM]

That's the plan! Eventually though, I usually get about 1-2 hours of free time every weekday so it’s a bit tough to do everything I want to do

[@karnak4188]

@@IamMagicAOM Nice ;) And I understand, no worries. Better later than never ! I think AOM retold has a good lifespan so you can take your time overhaul. Quality over quantity is better IMO :)

[@AH-om4wh]

Great video as usual. Thank you king magic👑🙏

[@Litterbugtaylor]

Raiding cavalry with viking upgrade generates enough money to basically pay for itself with just a few hits

[@zannrazor8569]

I miss when Jarls had bonus damage to myth units

[@IamMagicAOM]

They do but gotta get the upgrade ring giver

[@JordianLoL]

I think you messed up the math on survivability a lot. You multiplied the HP by the armor which doesn't make sense. If a unit has 100hp and 99% armor. It's effective HP is not 199 it's 10,000. This makes a big difference at higher armor values. In this case making the Prodromos looking tankier then it is since most other units should have higher survivability number. What you want to do is divide the HP by 1 - armor%. So for Hippeus Pierce armor it would be 150 / (1 - 0.40) = 250 effective hp. Much different from 210 effective hp if you did it your way.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Ahh I think you could be right, let me check my excel formulas tomorrow when I get back to my pc, thank you!

[@Jimmyni-kk4em]

Wow excel that's insane bro. U put in alot of work

[@TheGreatTusks]

Very nice list, helpfull insights. Personally I love the elephants (you dont say..), just as a big frontline to let the backline deal more damage.

[@TKCdigital]

Awsome video! How would you deal with centaurs at the moment?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Got to dodge their special attack, also depends on what civilization you are, Egypt does ok with priests, Norse might need some godi and Greek can usually fight fire with fire, Atlanteans can make arcus heroes

[@TurboDiego37]

Thanks man these videos are gold

[@et34t34fdf]

RA camels with Osiris are quite excellent, fast, good enough all round, and if you pick the god that gives camels regen, you can raid, get out, and then they will be back later, fully healed. Egypt do have priests, but its super convenient to have units just heal on their own, regardless.

[@SammyBoyy300]

Keep up the great content

[@danielli3288]

are you going do another major god tierlist for the balance changes?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah after I get some more game time in

[@Deolrin]

I think the War Elephant looks coolest overall, but if we're lomiting it to unupgraded horse riders, the Contarius looks like a badass imo. With some or all upgrades, Hetairos wins.

[@n0hidea739]

Thank you for your work, good man

[@somethinghandlesomething]

another thing about contarius is you could also make it a decent siege unit with the certain upgrade

[@arkanim94]

Great video as always.

[@sionbarzad5371]

Loving the frequent videos!

[@MrHeorhe]

I might disagree, only on the fact thst some of the cavalry need fortresses to be produced, so even amongst the cav that are available in 3rd age, those cav are even less available because you can't make them as soon as you age up, you need to age up, construct a fortress, and then you can produce 1 at a time. By the time I get to age 3 I often have 2-3 military buildings producing units. If I'm going all in on cav my main force will be a different unit until I can get 2 fortresses, or until I can amass enough from one fortress.

[@Soppybobs]

Been loving my Contarius rush when playing Gaia

[@surgeonsergio6839]

25:01 We should judge how cool they look based on their upgrades as well!

[@IamMagicAOM]

True!

[@Paddythelaad]

I'd argue the anti cav, cav don't have to fight on the frontlines, but can support their ranged at the back vs enemy cav dives, out of range of a lot for awhile. And they can beat the only thing that can keep up with them out in the open if you're safe to send them to harass. Prodromos king.

[@CrossMax122]

Best looking cavalry is definitely war elephant if we get the champion ones. Also I believe war elephants might not be great alone but they are deadly in late game in a composition with chariots. It is difficult to think about them as a cavalry unit (as you already stated). It's more of a siege - a unit that prolonges fights. In a way they are kind of like colossus? I think so.

[@FlintLostsoul]

Insane coincidence! Just yesterday I asked myself how well Jarls compare to other cab in its weight class.

[@hardlogic3046]

Good at being meat sacks if you look at overall resources AND have ring giver, but very bad at being cavalry. Even then, elephants "cost more" but most of the cost is in food, while costing 10 less gold. In late game, where you have fully transitioned to a farm economy, you have more than enough food whereas gold is a problem that needs to be fought over. Compared to hippeus they're only 10F more at equal gold cost. Jarls are a bad idea that sound good on the surface of it, even the 100% extra damage against MU doesn't mean much because 1) they are bodyblockable AND fat 2) they are not heroes so they take full damage from MU and get abilities casted on them. Early heroic -with and only with ring giver- they do give you some extra pep, especially because to drop some huskarls you need to lay down a few forts whom dirrectly compete with huskarl production in terms of resources, and you'd rather build a few battering rams as well. Factor in the fact that now even chariot archers have a bonus against huskarls (becaue infantry lmao)- so every single archer counters huskarls- and yeah jarls make sense in that tiny windows because they are good overall (whereas RC rely on bonus damage and have low DPS). Keep in mind that their build time is insanely long (24s), but that is common to all great hall units so you should have a few plopped down already from classical; great halls are more expensive than stables, but also much more versatile (you NEED them for godi, and I wouldn't want my hersir prod to rely on temples, as temples cost 100G and are needed for MU prod.) tl;dr they give you an additional edge in early-mid heroic (when norse are at their strongest if they maintained their classical edge through the opponent's heroic power spike -norse do not have a power spike upon reaching heroic; flaming weapons only makes what you already have a bit stronger and is hard-countered by chaos/curse), but not in late/very late game and are unfit to replace RC at doing RC stuff.

[@FlintLostsoul]

@@hardlogic3046 Thanks, that's a very thoughtful writeup! I'm sticking to RC and infantry, then. If I'm playing Loki, I feel like my end game isn't half bad. I usually manage to swing an early advantage to a quick Mythic for those juicy Myth units; essentially skipping Heroic. So I agree that extra work needs to be done come mid-late game. I often land there against a well-defended Hades or a sneaky Oranos if I can't find his Sky Passage locations in a timely fashion.

[@chantzmoore781]

Love the vids man

[@largemargeog1023]

Love a tier list.

[@loneirregular1280]

Id treat the Jarl as a smaller elephant, it tends to fulfill the role of heavy cavalry, that is flank, and stay there. Raiding cavalry on the other hand is more a light cavalry, its task being harassment and raiding. It would be even better if it was given an ability to throw an axe or javelin at times.

[@AlexisSanchezArt]

Could we get a Freyr build order soon?

[@HelalAndre]

Nice! Next: god power tier list pleaseee 🙏

[@Lulu-uy9ub]

Jarl kinda needs an update to its specialty now that it lost x4 against myth in retold

[@SpaceWitch144]

Yea what were they thinking. Jarls are trash in retold.

[@RhoVabien]

loved this video Thanks!

[@leSmokySmoke]

What I've learned this Video: Murmillo is a very good unit! 🙂

[@IamMagicAOM]

Hah

[@Gospelgg]

Where are turma at?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Haha

[@NoBSGameGuides]

Hello I am trying to create a guide myself but I am getting frustrated on how to counter Hade's Archers as Loki when they mass produce them. Raiding Cavalry seems too expensive to contest them especially if he has Hoplites in frond to support them. But even if they are not supported the just wipe out everything before my units gap close. Any thoughts?

[@IamMagicAOM]

It’s a tough one but usually if you go njord and make jarls with throwing axmen’s they do well, also if you mix in some huskarls they tank a lot of the arrow fire

[@NoBSGameGuides]

@@IamMagicAOM Thank you for your help!

[@Sids1192]

Hero contarius should be in there too. It doesn't require any particular god, and is just a standard feature of the unit.

[@IamMagicAOM]

I think when you factor cost into the analysis it won’t represent the unit well

[@DispariScuro]

The Turma seems to count as cavalry now for what it's worth!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Chariot archers too but it just feels a bit off to add them, then again perhaps adding the elephant into this comparison was also a mistake, at the end of the day just a fun video

[@arturhazel4568]

​@@IamMagicAOM what do you think about the Turma? Are they viable at early harass?

[@theowlogram888]

It's still more relevant to class them as archers because that's how they are used, the cavalry tag is just here so that they have to be more careful against anti-cav.

[@arturhazel4568]

@@theowlogram888 so they only can be countered (efficiently) with Anti-Cav-Units?

[@theowlogram888]

@@arturhazel4568 Most things that aren't archers shut them down. Besides anti cav units, any cav unit dominate them, infantry that aren't counter infantry will beat them as well. Slingers and peltast are cost efficient too.

[@mateoparada3163]

Would you say Poseidon heroic age cavalry with the very fast speed & life steal are the best cavalry in the game or would you still say raiding cav with the Valkyrie minor god upgrade is better

[@IamMagicAOM]

Poseidon çav with all the bonuses and upgrades are better imo!

[@Jdawghhw]

Would love a what counters what build. Like do anti archer units counter horse archers ect.

[@RhoVabien]

I'm aware that this is another comment and is not about the video, but I'm scared, and I want your opinion I want to main either Odin or Gaia but I'm afraid they may end up making the one I pick weak and because of that make me waste time and effort : / how do you cope with balances and patches?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Well for me I try to learn all civs so that if they change balance I can play something else, but that doesn’t work for everyone! I’d recommend you becoming a master at your god that you play, don’t worry about balance. It’s like Bruce Lee said, fear not the man who’s practiced 10000 kicks one time but the man who’s practice 1 kick 10000 times! Just play what you enjoy, don’t worry about balance. Become a master at your civ

[@RhoVabien]

@@IamMagicAOM I’ll do so. Thank you very much for your reply

[@Randoman590]

How do Hetairoi's survivability change with Thracian horses? How much does the AoE lifesteal actually help keep them going?

[@IamMagicAOM]

based on the information I received from others, they can be quite oppressive with 30% life steal

[@egal9291]

Great Video! But what about the mercenary cav? At least you could have it participate in the style contest! ❤

[@IamMagicAOM]

Haha yeah true !

[@ulfricsombrage]

Very nice video, but the problem is with some gods, as you said yourself, the tier list can change completely. The Poseidon hippeus or the Njord jarls are not the average hippeus or jarl.

[@IamMagicAOM]

True yeah

[@lennic]

just wondering, is the hero contarius any faster? I used em a bunch but cant remember

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah I think it is !

[@TheNinominator]

I wish you would include unique upgrades in your consideration and spreadsheet. A camel with double upgrades for example vs a poseidon prodromos with all upgrades.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah at some point I will, just wanted to keep it a bit simple for now

[@TheNinominator]

@@IamMagicAOM Thanks for your work, appreciate it.

[@doppelganger485]

And what about turma or mounted mercenary from egyptians? :o

[@IamMagicAOM]

I classify them more as an archer and anti archer unit

[@doppelganger485]

@@IamMagicAOM ty for the explanation, nice videos btw

[@wintermute25]

Any love/thoughts on turma and chariot archers? Pretty sure they both count as cavalry.

[@IamMagicAOM]

They’re double tagged, as cavalry and archer.. I’d classify them more as an archer so I skipped them here, I’ll bring them up in the archer tier list for the future !

[@expandeux]

is the Greek unique cavalry receiving the default bonuses from Poseidon ? As it can only be built by him.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah, should have added that in

[@hardlogic3046]

Contarius best overall yeah, but I don't think we should look at units in a vacuum. Also units being hit lose some speed ought to be talked about to some degree I think? this makes hack armor a lot more relevant imo. I'm more interested in either a) what to expect from odin/posseidon/ra/oranos cavalry or b) how much impact does theia gives to oranos/gaia Jarl being absolutely terrible without ring giver is no secret (and even with it, they're just a meat shield, wish they'd get bonus damage against buildings of some sort by default, even if just an extra .25)

[@IamMagicAOM]

Good points !

[@justincronkright5025]

I think Prodromos with Poseiden MOSTLY - and Ares for the 1 divine damage (I know, no techs) seems interesting. The later Age IV healing off of damage dealt could be interesting with you not having to go for the Hermes speed boost due to poseiden 0.4 boost. The divine damage has felt good with 1.0 attacking Hoplite, Prodromos & then of course you get militia which benefit from it too. But question, do 0.4 additions onto the 6.0 base speed of cav units for Poseiden get % increases too... AoE III has even more funky alternate cases for things like this than AoE II, but don't know yet with Retold.

[@IamMagicAOM]

yep, I believe so but i'll have to double check this!

[@AgentForest]

I consider elephants to be HP sponges to guard my Chariot Archers and priests. Or siege weapons that can defend themselves. Not really the same use case as other cavalry.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yep fair point

[@krzysztofkohlman3124]

Exactly. Elefant wall

[@Spiror]

Elephants are tanks and siege wepons more…..🎉🎉

[@GideonAIAoE3]

How are you calculating cost? I don't think resource costs for units from different civs should be calculated with equal value to each other because each civ has different gather rates (and therefore the balance regarding the cost of one unit for one civ is very likely to be balanced against the gather rates for that civ). Atlanteans are the most extreme example, with units having to be much cheaper than normal thanks to their vills costing 2x and training almost 2x as long but only gathering 1.5x the Greek rate. Therefore their units are likely much cheaper than they would be if they were in the Greek roster.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah that’s true to an extent, the numbers are never used alone, it’s used in addition to a thorough analysis, I think it’s still a good metric

[@GideonAIAoE3]

@@IamMagicAOM I do love that you have experience with everything (or seeing everything used in competitive games) and I agree, the format you've got is a really good one.

[@Wanderbraun-AgeofEmpires]

Man, i thought that Camels are bad, but after that video i suppose they are at least okay

[@tomblack2064]

Oh gee, I played against Poseidon and we got to the mythic age. The hetairo seemed to melt my Norse Hirdman and Berserks. Maybe I just hadn't upgraded them enough or didn't have enough units out. But next time I'll try to be more prepared

[@WlSH879]

If Poseidon went through Dionysus and got the thracian horses technology I don't think even mass hirdmen could beat them. Area damage + lifesteal is really hard for even counter-cavalry units to deal with

[@tomblack2064]

@@WlSH879 yea, especially that the Hirdman were very bunched up

[@mementomori1483]

Hero contarius get more stats including speed. Also available to all atlantian major gods. Maybe worth adding to your chart hero versions of all Atlantis units.

[@caleblambert8527]

Did you manually build the spreadsheet from looking at the stats for each unit/upgrade/etc in-game? Would you be willing to post/share a copy of it..?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Hey, yes I do and I will definitely share but most of it’s still incomplete, let me try to work on it this weekend

[@caleblambert8527]

@@IamMagicAOM I’d be more than happy to help fill it in! I make spreadsheets for all the games I play (even the ones I’m terrible at).

[@thehumanity3324]

I dont really understand your explenation for why Camelry has a better bonus than prodromos. Why does 6 speed matter if they both have it?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah sorry, I didn’t explain that clearly. The camel performs as somewhat of a generalist unit, it does well against the majority of units especially when it’s complimented with chariot archers or axemen. The prodromos on the other hand is only really good vs cavalry, it won’t even do well vs archers. The camel on the other hand is decent vs archers.

[@Adribird]

@IamMagicAOM I believe that a decent mass of archers with ballistics destroy the camel just as well.

[@Agachack]

Hey Magic, I did not understand why Camel Rider > Promodos based on your graph. They have both the same speed, even the same survivability, and you said that if someone was to send some cavalry to counter them, Camel Rider would be able to fight back. But isn't it even more true for the promodos, since they have a huge bonus damage to cavalry? Like if you attack some villager with Camel Rider and they send promodos to defend, the camel rider are dead. Based on those informations, the promodos should be the better unit, right? EDIT: nvm, you add the pierce armor explanation at the end of the video. :D

[@IamMagicAOM]

the main issue with the prodromos is its low pierce armor and low hack armor, I think the survivability numbers I used there need to be tweaked, sorry about that. The camel is a lot more rugged, he has 35% pierce instead of the 10% on the prodromos which allows him to raid without being killed. secondly he has 8 DPS (not accounting for cost) whereas the prodromos has 6.15, this is massive since the camelry with these stats is decent vs archer fire while the prodromos will die very quickly, it's also impactful when it comes to raiding and killing villagers quickly. hope that helps, can definitely clarify anything else please let me know

[@Agachack]

@@IamMagicAOM Makes total sense, thanks!

[@lolfearme]

With the Chariot Archer being classed as a Cavalry unit now, should it have also made the list? :p

[@IamMagicAOM]

It’s going to be on the ranged unit list since it’s double tagged

[@ghawk854]

mm i would also count "Cost" or "avaiability" a thing espcl for special units; and i would, amd sry to say this but that was way to much excel for me; i would have prefered if it was made more interresting by for example introducing each cavalary unit and telling us the pros and cons and only closing up with ecxel stats; Psychological speaking People need storys so the fighting scences and etc are the things that gona stick. Idk why i felt the urge to kritic ^^ i hope i am not offending or anything. i still liked to watch and the idea was great ^^ Archers next? Horesback Archers? X3

[@ghawk854]

maby also a bonus about the units in there "Best State"

[@IamMagicAOM]

Good points !

[@starcraft2own]

The jarl lost it's mini hero status right? It no longer gets bonus damage against myth units?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Not without the upgrade ring giver

[@starcraft2own]

@@IamMagicAOM Oh so a minor god upgrade now? That's cool.

[@deldrimor146]

contarius also look so cool in retold =D

[@Sigmestgi]

I feel like this chart needs to have separate categories for god tech buffed versions of these units, Thoth elephants should be in their own category separate from regular elephants due to -1 pop, -10% discount and a 2 for 1 deal, same for Osiris camels and Poseidon cavalry.

[@PedroHenrique-wg4vc]

Nice vídeo!!!

[@pessolano461]

ok watched a little further and you explained your values, but I think you should have started with that before beginning your analysis of the units. Also, I think taking Tech and God bonuses into account is important in analyzing their performances, even if it's just putting up the best possible example for each faction (Like Poseidon + Hermes + Dionysus + Hephaestus for the Greeks)

[@IamMagicAOM]

Fair, yeah

[@martinmarzano1523]

Infantry tier list Fanatics vs Myrmidons vs Thor Ulfsarks Oranos > Oceanatus > Hyperion Hero Fanatics are my favorite